Perhaps it is time for the individual investors here to consider legal action against both the kindergarten parties. We might even be able to fund ATEL with the outcome from such action. Some old connections from the bottom of the kindergartenparties food chain, might reconsider their loyalty too - and join us. - I even got a feeling that there is another party used to help out in distressed securities that may want to participate too. Thoughts from the individual investors are welcome. Kr Jens Voluntary disclosure: Individual Long Kr Jens