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just parking this here...
Posted by: Threeflight
In reply to: None Date:10/10/2007 3:46:31 PM
Post #of 8818
My report from talking to Mike King. Sorry about the delay. Bear in mind I only have a small position in this, at much higher, so at this point I've pretty much written the money off. This play reminds me of MLXO last spring/summer when cornell was selling there. Constant ask undercutting. Takes a lot of buying to UT. Not much selling to DT. It's eerie how similar it is to me in how they are selling.
Anyway, I called him and I gotta say I was pretty surprised by what he told me. I invite you all to call as well to verify this. Basically, the company is in pretty deep trouble accordong to Mike. In fact so much so according to him that he said he used to have a position but SOLD his shares due to what is going on.
He also said if he were me, he wouldn't be buying anytime soon, which shocked me. Remember this is the IR guy saying this, though I did appreciate his honesty. He said that of course cornell is killing the company, nothing new there, that he hates cornell, and that he didn't see them letting up the selling. But what I really didn't like was he also said that the company isn't doing nearly the biz they thought they would be doing based on what they said earlier this year, not anything close to it actually, and are having a very hard time getting any additional financing. Without this money they can't make anything basically, but at the same time the demand hasn't been there either. So I asked him why didn't NXNO accept the settlement if they are so short of cash, and he really didn't have an answer for that.
I asked him about the lawsuit and when it could be settled. All he said was he really didn't know but don't expect anything anytime soon. Not good.
I came away from this conservation very discouraged, and I would say right now we are going lower based on what he is saying. As hard as that is to believe. :( Apparently they don't really have any news to report according to him, and Cornell is going to continue to sell. With that scenario, I see half a penny or so coming. Now, bear in mind this was one guys opinion. But it was the IR guy. So for him to be so down on a company he is working for. Well......
FYI If you call Mike? He may ask for your phone number. Don't give it to him. I did and have been receiving spam text messages ever since.
posting this here too, for the record...
uhhh...sorry pal, but given the volume here there is NO CHANCE of a 4-6k win since our last talk...but i will remain hopeful for your portfolio to see that...
i have been great... sleeping well and made a bunch of money these last two weeks.
fresno, pull up turnips 10-k that deals with their ownership here...
given the posts i read, you guys are clueless...
sorry but the big bags are going to the guys with millions of shares not thousands, cause they are going to sell into any rally...just paper to them. remember this is a pinky, restricted shares, hah!
but what do i know, you guys think you're all dialed in but clearly are clueless on the structure here...your bad.
mr panos has turnips hands all over him and gatorpuss is right they really could give a rats ass about investors.
prove me wrong...
you can't, pal...
sorry... i own the t shirt...and what? you are going to hold out to january for a court ruling.
wow, a good trader wouldn't stay that illiquid for an unknown court decision...that is a fact...
anyway, best of luck to you and all traders here always, it is a nice comfort zone watching your buys...ruling the roost, dreaming about the $$$..
i feel like i know the way this stock trades well and i will take advantage of any situation that will make me money in a day and it has not occurred...in many months...
why in a day? i do not trust the people that run the show here at all...i mean
in regards to caring about me a shareholder or you for that matter...it is not going to happen....and mike king is not a power, he is a puppet. a nice puppet:)
lots of stocks out there making money, if you are bagholding here, you are loosing money...simple as that, my friend.
gltya
laurap
Blogger Jerome Armstrong Settles Stock-Touting Suit with SEC
By Rogers Cadenhead
Watching the Watchers
Influential liberal blogger Jerome Armstrong, the founder of MyDD and an originator of the netroots movement, has agreed to pay $29,000 in fines and penalties to settle a 2003 SEC suit accusing him of touting a stock on Internet message boards without disclosing his financial interest in the company.
The Commission's Complaint, filed on April 14, 2003, alleged that beginning on March 6, 2000, Armstrong touted the stock of BluePoint Linux Software Corporation ("BluePoint") by posting unsubstantiated, favorable buy recommendations on the Raging Bull internet site. Armstrong posted over eighty such recommendations during the first three weeks that the stock of BluePoint was publicly traded. According to the Complaint, Armstrong praised BluePoint's investment value and encouraged investors who were experiencing trouble having their orders filled to keep trying. The Complaint further alleged that the promoters of BluePoint were secretly transferring stock in three other companies to Armstrong at prices below the then current market for those three stocks and that Armstrong made at least $20,000 by selling the shares he received from the promoters of BluePoint.
Along with business partner Markos Moulitsas, Armstrong helped spark the netroots movement, an Internet-fueled effort to elect Democrats and counter conservative success in other media. Moulitsas credits him with the inspiration to created Daily Kos.
Although the settlement states that Armstrong neither admits nor denies the SEC allegations, he made an August 2003 court filing that acknowledged posting messages on Raging Bull about BluePoint while he had a financial relationship with company insiders Michael Markow and Francois Goelo.
Armstrong's message board postings related to Bluepoint are no longer online, but there are dozens of messages on the InvestorsHub site in which he promoted a related company before a merger, never revealing he was given 25,000 shares before the deal.
An SEC filing reveals that Armstrong received the shares in a reverse merger executed by the Chinese wireless startup AccessTel, which acquired a publicly traded online mall called Shopss.Com on Dec. 18, 2000. Markow's Global Guarantee Corporation received 1.5 million shares in the AccessTel merger.
From September 2000 to March 2002, Armstrong posted 95 messages using the account myDDdotcom on AccessTel's InvestorsHub board. He predicted great potential for its technology and a big increase in price, deriding skeptics as "bashers." None of his postings mention his relationship with the company, formed by executives who created Bluepoint.
On the day of the merger, Armstrong announced on InvestorsHub that he had just bought 250 shares of the company:
... i did DD call quite a bit this weekend, and am satisfied to continue holding, patient for their plan to become widely known. Today I just bought a whopping 250 shares in my son's (Jackson) educational IRA that I just set up for the toddler, hope it grows as much as he is.
Bluepoint laid off all employees in 2005 after a failed attempt to develop Linux software for the car industry. The company exists today as an empty shell hoping for a merger, stating in its 2006 annual report that its only remaining asset is $6 cash. More than 4.5 million shares of its stock are owned by the public, which reached a high of $21 during the period Armstrong was accused of touting and last sold for $0.04 cents.
AccessTel are currently worth one cent, down from around $1.25 at the time of the merger. The New Jersey company has left the wireless business and sells ladies pantyhose in Lebanon.
When allegations against Armstrong were first reported in June 2006, Moulitsas asked a private mailing list of liberal bloggers to ignore the story until it was settled:
Jerome can't talk about it now since the case is not fully closed. But once it is, he'll go on the offensive. That should be a couple of months off. ...
My request to you guys is that you ignore this for now. It would make my life easier if we can confine the story. Then, once Jerome can speak and defend himself, then I'll go on the offensive (which is when I would file any lawsuits) and anyone can pile on. If any of us blog on this right now, we fuel the story.
Under a December 2003 agreement reached with the SEC, Armstrong is prohibited from making any public statement denying the charges or suggesting the complaint is factually untrue.
Moulitsas has not made any statement regarding the settlement since news broke Wednesday. Armstrong told New York Times blogger Chris Suellentrop in an email, "It's good to see the matter finally end."
In April, Armstrong received the Paul and Sheila Wellstone Award for Political Organizing from the Twenty-First Century Democrats "for his visionary leadership in working to create the online netroots community, which has changed the face of politics forever in America by creating a mechanism for people to come together and demand accountability from their leaders."
The group has removed all references to Armstrong from its web site, including his photo and the announcement of his award, which was cached by Google July 20.
When Armstrong began MyDD.Com in 2001, the site's name stood for "My Due Diligence." In stock trading, due diligence refers to the care that should be taken to review all facts related to an investment prior to purchase.
Disclosure: In 2005, the author of this piece was a member of an ad network that included Daily Kos, a professional collaboration that crashed and burned.
new symbol is ASTI
why is this board dead? did symbol change?
anyone got a tip?
OT - A little something for cowboys..
http://www.bestcreatives.com/MadCow.swf
Kr
Jens
This is how it works - Matt claim that Errol had a gross of accounts, therefore he has taken it upon himself personally to delete every message posted by Errol.. See e-mail exchange below
Errol, is it true that you had a dozens and dozens of accounts?
I count 15 with errol prefix, but as the 13 of them are kicked, it isn't possible to see if it really was you.
What I can see is that you used 4 AKA's on Accesstel board, but I can also see that the content of the deleted posts here IMO is not at all content that should have been deleted.
Kr
JEns
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Here's the e-mail conversation with ihub management ---
Reply from me to matt...
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Well, one just have to ask oneself how many people bought shitty shares because they didn't get a chance to read errol's most often correct content calling the scams..
Quite a mess when it isn't annonced or otherwise clear why messages disappear !!
Kind regards
Jens
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Brown" <matt@investorshub.com>
To: "Bob Zumbrunnen" <si_admin@techstocks.com>
Cc: <jti@quattro-it.dk>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:14 AM
Subject: RE: Hi Bob, there's a problem at IHUB
> Anything posted by errol will get removed by me, when I see he has posted.
> Nothing to do with content. He's had dozens and dozens of accounts. Once I
> boot you off, that's it. No coming back. If you do, all is toast. I don't
> want people even thinking they have a chance of using the RB suicide alias
> mentality here.
>
> ------
> Matt Brown
> Site Administrator
> Investors Hub
> http://www.investorshub.com
> Email: matt@investorshub.com
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Zumbrunnen [mailto:si_admin@techstocks.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:07 PM
> To: matt Brown
> Subject: Fwd: Hi Bob, there's a problem at IHUB
>
>
>
> >From: "Jens Tingleff (jti)" <jti@quattro-it.dk>
> >To: <si_admin@techstocks.com>
> >Subject: Hi Bob, there's a problem at IHUB
> >Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 20:35:44 +0200
> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
> >
> >You remember I got the chairman rights on the ATEL board there...
> >
> >Today someone removed a legit message posted by errol, and the 48 hours
> >mark must have been moved.
> >
> >Now, who has such rights, and who asked for it to be removed - Could it be
> >that there are access rights hanging from old boys like FG or Jerome, Or
> >that someone at a time gave such right on, Or someone at a time hacked my
> >accesskeys ?
> >
> >Please investigate the matter
> >
> >Kind regards
> >Jens
>
OT: On second thoughts you should wait until further notice. Reason is that if the administrator passwords are compromized, then the users table is still wide open and can be copied again until the hole is closed.
Kr
Jens
OT: The incident of a deleted message (1008) here may be due to someone outside IHUB having a (illegal) copy of the users table.
I therefore recommend that users do change their password to IHUB, as such possible holder of the users table are able to both post messages in other users name and read private exchange of messages.
Kind regards
Jens
Errol, you asked,
congrats tingleff for aking over the board...can you tell me how many shares markow controls in the shell..and how is the sec investigation into his stock manipultion going?
For both questions - I don't know.
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Now I'll have to spend time finding out who else, but I, are able or requested to delete posts on this board. tsk tsk
http://www.cutestuf.com/flash_1002/bluemoon.swf
Kr
Jens
Minimum 22MM shares OS now.
What is the status of returned stock - free trading?
History lesson...:
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By: myDDdotcom
Date: 12/18/2000 2:47:14 PM (ET)
OK, the tally is in. We are at ~35 shareholders holding 3.3M shares for approx. 80% of the 4.26M in the float.
From what I understand, the float is going to be this amount for quite while. The debt consolidation through PP's and restricted shares was, from my understanding, less than 1M in shares, but these are still restricted as well. All of AccessTel's shares will be restricted for a year from their final share structure agreements.
A PR is expected out shortly, confirming a JV that has been rumoured about quite a bit. Hopefully that will relieve any concerns folks have about the recent price drop, which is partly attributable to the whole mkt decline (which we had avoided), but also due to the lack of information from AccessTel
Actually, I don't think it is so much the lack of info, as the lack of follow through from the timetable set forth in the recent Conference Call:
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=24186
But i did DD call quite a bit this weekend, and am satisfied to continue holding, patient for their plan to become widely known. Today I just bought a whopping 250 shares in my son's (Jackson) educational IRA that I just set up for the toddler, hope it grows as much as he is.
Happy holidays all, best way to reach me is on the PM of ihub, Jerome
To unsubscribe from this email list, return to 'AccessTel (SHPS)' and select 'Remove ChairMail Subscription'.
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Rescind dispute settled out of court.
Result on shares:
11,356,782 of the Surrendered Shares have been delivered to counsel for prior management of the Registrant and will be duly canceled and returned to the authorized but unissued common stock of the Registrant. An additional 5,361,981 of the Surrendered Shares are to be transferred to a private third party unrelated to the AccessTel Parties pursuant to a confidential settlement of a separate legal action involving a legal debt owed by one of the AccessTel Parties to the private third party.
Or is the number of total surrendered shares in total undisclosed? - The text is a little unclear IMO
Result on Management:
David C. Merrel again in charge.
Seems that this board is still being kept "straight" - messages are being removed.
VanIsland don't care about it, I don't think RClark reads it anymore, so that leaves Jerome in charge.
and i got 1000 <g> eom
Nobody knows, but he's not saying... so much for the clue.
imho, Jerome
Haven't stopped by in a long time. I haven't had a position for a long time. Just wanted to see who was still here.
I see SRRA and TRAV are on the bid side accumulating, so it's likely they are doing it for a reason, sooner of later. I just look at it as buying next to them, and seeing what they do with it later on down the road, so yea, I'm accumulating... I expect that if it doesn't fill before the end of the year, I might get some at .05 or so.
imho, Jerome
I guess you ask if I have a position in ATEL - The answer is yes, I have a position that are more than 90% down.
Anticipating your next question - No I'm not going to average down while other odd people are still selling, in spite of the rosy outlook for a clean shell.
What "elsewhere" ones are of your concern?
Kr
Jens
No, I didn't even bother looking into the links, I don't have a big enough position to bother. And being in trading for a while, I know no one is interested in anything that they don't have a good sized position in. Now, you and your cooperative might be the rare bird, but... what kind of position do you have that perks you so here, and elsewhere as I've noticed?
imho, Jerome
No Jerome, there's nothing questionable in our cooperation at all - Is your message in any way related to the message you responded to?
Kr
Jens
Jens, what drives you here, to be researching and researching after Markow and stuff, are you and your fellow researchers in cahoots here?
imho, Jerome
Hmm... xinyin building see picture in below link - 20f = 20.floor???
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:xGQ89MmZRmE:www.tourinfo.com.cn/all_units/H0000128/main.htm+%22...
Other addresses there 1905 1605:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22888+yishan%22&btnG=Google-s%F8gning&hl=us&lr=
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
Reply to Post #5744 on ATEL by dubber
Previous Message Follows:
Be interesting to see how this plays out. I think some people might regret what they say about Conca and Markow in the end though. JMO
I hope he is correct in saying that, and those who stick with it, live to make back their money. I am long here, and not just my PP shares either, in fact, threw another 6k shares in the pot from a good trade elsewhere, just figure, what the hay.
If they get the recission, I don't think they'll get screwed with another shitty deal. Conca has nothing to do with ATEL, his name was just put in the PR's cause he was the former CEO, just a figurehead, same with recission, he has never had a free trading share of ACII/SHPS/ATEL, neither Miller. He got just as screwed from the Israeli/Arab scam venture here as the rest did, and Markow, contrary to what the bashers say, has in fact RM'ed a number of decent companies over the past year, BLPT and SCRO for example--and I'm not talking about the price decline, that is across the board and a cheap shot, XNET is a great company and is down from $20's to .50 as well, it's the mk't, but they are solid companies, so maybe he can do it again?
I don't know, I've been assured that they'll get the shell back, but I think it's probably 50-50, maybe, hope so... if not, this sure leaves a bad taste, and not a bunch of money in my pocket as some here tend to believe, but that's their problem, no one pushed their buy button.
In fact, before I left for India, I bought 20k more shares at $1, that I wound up selling for 1/10th that, and that's just an example, I'm sure others here have been likewise screwed.
There is not a conspiracy here, just lame luck at attracting a bad apple that makes the bag rotten when near them all. Let's just hope we get some good luck coming our way soon, and that they file. I don't know who profited from this and who didn't, but I also don't know of anyone who pumped lies intentionally on these threads, in fact I know that no one I know did... in ATEL, most probably so, but not from the original shareholders.
If you want to fault the messenger for posting Stuarts lies and believeing them in passing them on, I think that's a little like saying I or any other long here in the beginning pumped this by posting the PR's that were put out.
Did Liang get a call from Lee or what? Seemed a bit of a retraction there in that PR. Lee get served with some bit of heat?
Anyway, just my opinion and ramblings, won't post here to often, doing other more constructive things than trying to make the wrong right, best of luck.
imo
Another ATEL PR butchered by Liang, starts out sounding enticing in the header, but bury's the lead, get the 10k done first Liang, or somebody, or this is going to the pinks!!
Dr. William C.Y. Lee Remains as Chief Technology Advisor to AccessTel Inc.
Board.
Business Editors
LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 27, 2001--AccessTel Inc.
(OTCBB:ATELE - news), stated today that Dr. William C.Y. Lee will
remain as Chief Technology Advisor to AccessTel Inc. Board.
Dr. William C.Y. Lee had agreed to join AccessTel Inc. Board of
Directors after the name change and when Board of Director Liability
Insurance had been secured. The Company has not as yet secured a final
commitment for Board of Director Liability Insurance by the insurance
carriers and Dr. William C.Y. Lee has never officially become a
director of AccessTel Inc. Dr. William C.Y. Lee has and continues to
advise on technical issues only, of Wireless Local Loop development.
imo
Why should Conca do that ? - And what is his power to do so ?
Mighty strange IMO!!!
Kr
Jens
I hope they at least file here this week, I think the deadline is the 15th before they get an E, seems likely at this point, but I heard that they would get Conca to sign off on a 10k if Liang didn't, so we'll at least stay off of the pinks.
imo
I'll start with TotemPole this weekend in Victoria.
Van, we are going to be owing a lot of drinks with this mess on our hands.
imo
Some might ask why we should sue both parties - Here's why:
Both Markow and Bockler are responsible for the inside war ruining the company.
Further grounds for suing may be added by the ones, who previously stood by either side and who will now take part against the parties.
Both must be placed in a position where they are not able to further harm the company. - Distance must be made between the company and their (SB & MM) internal war.
Many things in the OTCBB world are changing - Yesterdays unregulated playground is now being significant better regulated and under much better surveilance - Thus Markow's peasants and runners might reconsider shifting to white, while it is time, and the Markow playground and towers only tremble.
Thoughts ?
Kr
Jens
Perhaps it is time for the individual investors here to consider legal action against both the kindergarten parties.
We might even be able to fund ATEL with the outcome from such action.
Some old connections from the bottom of the kindergartenparties food chain, might reconsider their loyalty too - and join us. -
I even got a feeling that there is another party used to help out in distressed securities that may want to participate too.
Thoughts from the individual investors are welcome.
Kr
Jens
Voluntary disclosure: Individual Long
Kr
Jens
OT: Totem good to hear from you. Been kind of busy since returning from LA. Saving my money for Easter when I can buy you a drink at Swans.
See you on Friday.
So, with everyone jumping, Is this a good time to buy?
...The "Real" TotemPole!
So maybe a leap off the Golden Gate!!!!
So maybe Bockler is about to do something that is in the best interests of ATEL, I sure hope so.
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MGSC - one record in the public books:
******** REGULATORY ACTION (1 of 1) ********
Reporting Source: Regulator (Form U-6)
Date Reported: 09/12/2000
Initiated By: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SECURITIES DEALERS, INC.
Date initiated: 08/28/2000
Docket/Case Number: C06000016
Allegations: 09/12/00EC: NASD RULES 2110; 1031 AND 3010(B) -
RESPONDENT MEMBER, ACTING THROUGH ITS PRESIDENT, PERMITTED AN INDIVIDUAL TO SERVE AS A GENERAL SECURITIES REPRESENTATIVE AND THEREBY ENGAGE IN THE INVESTMENT BANKING OR SECURITIES BUSINESS EVEN THOUGH SUCH INDIVIDUAL HAD NOT BEEN REGISTERED WITH RESPONDENT IN ANY CAPACITY; FAILED TO ESTABLISH, MAINTAIN, AND ENFORCE WRITTEN PROCEDURES THAT WERE REASONABLY DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE SECURITIES LAWS AND REGULATIONS, AND WITH THE ASSOCIATION'S RULES, IN THAT THE FIRM'S PROCEDURES FAILED TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE ASSOCIATION'S RULES GOVERNING REGISTRATION OF PERSONNEL.
Current Status: Final
NASDR Public Disclosure Program March 23, 2001
Page <PAGE#>
This information is current as of: 03/23/2001
______________________________________________________________________________
__
NASD Member Firm: M G SECURITIES GROUP, INC.
CRD Number: 42991
REGULATORY ACTIONS(cont.)
Resolution: Acceptance, Waiver & Consent(AWC)
Resolution Date: 08/28/2000
Sanctions
Ordered: Monetary/Fine, Censure
Monetary Amount: $14,000.00
Resolution
Details: A CENSURE AND FINE OF $14,000, WHICH INCLUDES THE
DISGORGEMENT
OF COMMISSIONS EARNED OF $9,000. $13,000 OF THAT
$14,000 FINE
IS PAYABLE JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY.
Summary:
***********************************
Reporting Source: Regulator (Form BD)
Date Reported: 12/13/2000
Initiated By: NASD REGULATION, INC.
Date initiated: 07/28/2000
Docket/
Case Number: NASD ACTION C06000016
Allegations: MG SECURITIES GROUP, INC. PERMITTED AN INDIVIDUAL
TO SERVE AS A
GENERAL SECURITIES REPRESENTATIVE WITHOUT HAVING
BEEN
REGISTERED WITH THE FIRM. MG SECURITIES GROUP,
INC. DID NOT
ENFORCE WRITTEN PROCEDURES THAT WERE DESIGNED TO
ACHIEVE
COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE SECURITIES LAWS.
Current Status: Final
Resolution: Acceptance, Waiver & Consent(AWC)
Resolution Date: 08/28/2000
Sanctions
Ordered: Monetary/Fine, Disgorgement/Restitution, Censure
Monetary Amount: $13,000.00
Other Sanctions: NONE.
Resolution
Details: A CENSURE AND FINE OF $4,000.00 AND DISGORGEMENT
OF COMMISSIONS
OF $9,000.00 FOR A TOTAL FINE OF $13,000.00 THAT
MG SECURITIES
GROUP, INC. WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING. THE FIRM
ELECTED TO A
MONTHLY PAYOUT PLAN.
Summary:
************ END OF REPORT
************
Kr
Jens
OT: Off to CEBIT exhibition - back wednesday.
Meantime - raise the flag for the good side.
Kr
Jens
Someone may have seen that The link to Texas State directory gave the name MG Securities corp - here is the better one:
http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=M+G+Securities&am...
Though there are the same people in it. Just another taxpayer number.
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
I don't know whether there's something to dig here, but IVG changed from MG to first colonial:
Cashed info from google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ivgcorp.com/corp/partR.html+MG+Securities+Group&hl=en
current:
http://www.ivgcorp.com/corp/partR.html
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
Here's more info:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22M+G+SECURITIES+GROUP%22&btnG=Google+Search
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
MG Securities Group,Inc., and here below are the stocks they trade.
You will see several shares from so called "chinagate" in the rather few stocks they are trading.
http://www.otcbb.com/asp/tradeact_mv.asp?SearchBy=m&Issue=mgsg&SortBy=v&Month=2-1-2001&a...
Kr
Jens
Kr
Jens
Would anyone know who is behind the MM - MGSG.
These people have been sitting on the ask for weeks now and it seems they have not finished unloading.
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