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Smouch,
Gary *always* produces good thought invoking articles. I figure that he hears so much praise that if I pile any more on him he'll have to hire folks to carry around a newly enlarged cranial structure! Just kidding, I know Gary has his feet firmly planted in the ground...It's me you'll have to worry about!
Yes, I am having fun at the idiot's expense over on AVBC. There are just so many of them I don't know who to tweak next!
As for those defense techniques...they have been honed through years of practice. It also helps to have a little Wagner in the background when taking on the advanced intellect of the CAB (Character Assassination Board).
Stay loose and hang tight!
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
Gary, "No Wind" was an excellent essay"......
during these times of tempers and patience testing. Just gives those who do their d$d more time to accumulate. The wind does always come back, and the mutanists get cast overboard, or court-marshalled.
"....and decoration of those who did nothing." That one sure instantly (I mean instantly), brought bill clinton to mind.
Birdofprey......I loved the exchange yesterday between you and the idiot who stated he did'nt care about cd's on the avbc board. Boy....is he/she in for a big surprize. Also loved your skillful use of the defense techniques you just published here the other day.
Software Maker Reports Counterfeit Shares
By FLOYD NORRIS
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/07/technology/07MIND.html
:=) Gary Swancey
(:>}))))))))))) Good one Gary!
OB
"No Wind"
The windless stock market has a scary stillness for there is barely enough breeze to even cause a small ripple in the sails. Dotted across this glassy market are all the different colored sails drawn high with crews standing-by ready to jump into action. Times are tense thus begetting stress laced with opportunist thoughts of mutiny.
Echoing across cyberspace, you can hear the cries of the mutineers as they cast blame on the still remembered due diligence and plan. As with most unfavorable times, the once harmonious crews now have to endure the imaginary play of endless free interpretations and ambiguity. Typically, these mutineers are the ones that have not spent one hour of research, analyzing or even have made one speck of preparation. Heck, they rarely can even state why they are aboard the ship. All they know is the captain and the officers of the ship are to blame for "No Wind."
What was once tolerable and acceptable during windy times has become a mutinous campaign bellowing total frustration. What was once nothing more than whining by the unscrupulous types has gained ground with their continual protests and "No Wind." The obnoxious reasoning for the lack of wind is because of the captain and officers, a human element should some how corrected the fact of "No Wind." Thus the cries of broken promises for money and favorable windy conditions recruit others frustrated by patience. But what broken promises for they are on board a ship that has done everything right but there is just "No Wind."
My father once told me, "Son, there are going to be times where you can have the best plan, the best sail boat money can buy, the best crew with all the knowledge, strength and endurance to win. But remember this one small element, if there is “No Wind” … you are dead in the water." -- William D. Swancey
In the distance you can hear their mutinous powerful words laced with anger, stress and strife. Negativity flows rapidly to recruit the numbers to blame someone for "No Wind." Supported by the self-touting credibility of pride on their right to voice concerns of fair play and repugnance of injustice, their banner is clear, "“There is 'No Wind,' never has been and never will be." Even keelhauling is to good for these rogues who did not plan for the condition of "No Wind."
Typically, at the end of the day the mutineers are branded the rogues and scoundrels they are, where the captains and officers emerge as men of integrity who responded appropriately to events as they unfolded.
In the world today, especially with the Internet as the manipulative media vessel, you can clearly see the deception of words that go against every bit of common sense that one should have within their capabilities. But the mutineers are will always be here to test the limits of human indulgence. However, there is a famous quote by an unknow author that states, "As with any new venture it will always go through the following stages: enthusiasm, complication, disillusionment, search for the guilty, punishment of the innocent, and decoration of those who did nothing."
:=) Gary Swancey
Bird of Prey, that one just earned you another bookmark!
Very excellent post.....especially if you're one with a somewhat hot temper or emotional at times. Then the only advise I would offer would be to be a lurker.
BASHING AGENDAS
Bashing Agendas are simple really. Bashing breakdowns into two different categories. The first being factual information and then there is an issue of falsehoods in interpretation and information.
How do you tell the two apart? Emotional content.
There are two emotions that dominate the stock market, Greed and Fear. where Bashing deals strictly on stimulating Fear
Bashing with factual information is someone who took the pain staking time to research the fundamentals and management. Thus they post the facts. No name-calling, vulgar expressions, personal attacks or character assassinations but rather a clear and concise representation of due diligence. It is plainly obvious the poster would not put money in the security because of the findamentals. (Findamentals are the not so pleasant negative fundamentals that have been found that some how has not made into the entire write ups of positive due diligence) The negative is expressed with minimal speculation and the poster is just making an informative post venting.
Also their questions are very solid and can be answered.
However, the relentless emotional basher whose post clearly contains no facts or even a solid underlying basis only “Bashing Cards” such as:
1. Pump and Dump Card = This is the favorite and typically the most used card. No proof other than a fall in stock price or momentum growing.
2. Reverse Split Card = This one is great for getting sells. These words strike fear in the hearts of investor.
3. POS / PAS Card = This is the art of Purposely Omitting/Adding Syntax to effect a negative out of a positive by twisting information.
4. Loss of Money Card = This is a favorite as they post the price is going down.
5. False Press Releases Card = Is basically used to put doubt on the information typically after the fact and the effort is to take the news release outside the time frame or corner to corner content of the release by convenient mis-interpretation.
6. Credibility Card = Believe me not the TA or fundamentals they are quick to tout they are always right.
7. “Goodwill” Attack Card = Use to discredit management typically the poster would make a better CEO.
8. Insider Card = They had a contact inside and know more than the public thus they are trying to save the investment community.
9. nsider Information Question Card = Questions that can’t be answered unless you are an insider.
10. Civil Suit Card = Almost as good as the reverse split card because it strikes fear instantly into the hearts of investors.
11. Cyber-Moses (Mother Superior) Card = Used to save everyone from an evil company.
12. Lack of Synergy Card = The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.
13. Question Card = question everything regardless of confirmation ro verification,
14. Redundant Ad Card = This is typically “SELL! SELL! SELL!” posted repeatedly follows the advertising game’s logic of repetition
15. Antagonistic Card = Used primarily to attack and discredit the pro posters.
16. Chaos Card = Disrupt the flow of information. A negative talk site = negative public opinion
A bash is simply an intentional attempt by (mostly an anonymous) someone to negatively spin or twist certain facts about a company and/or its products to induce uncertainty, doubt and Fear to the sites reading community.
They do this for the purpose of:
1. Harming or libeling the goodwill (reputation) and public image of the company to induce sells or hinder buying pressure to affect the marketcap,
2. An emotional personal vengeful campaign against someone who is posting positive on the stock to induce sells or hinder buying pressure to affect the marketcap,
3. to induce sells and hinder buying pressure so that a short position can be covered
4. to induce sells or hinder buying pressure thus driving the price down and accumulate at the lowest possible point.
The various types of bashers:
1. Cyber-Mother-Superiors or Cyber-Moses out to save everyone (looking for cyberfame and a following)
2. A disgruntled promoter or consultant (didn’t get stock or a deal)
3. A disgruntled employee or ex employee (got laid off or fired or about to be)
4. A competitor bashing (strictly for competitive advantage)
5. A disgruntled shareholder that loss money (these types show up vent and leave)
6. A broker or voice for a broker or financial institution (looking to effectively gain and advantage on buying and selling the security for gain)
7. An emotional unstable poster mostly against some other Cyber-personality (vengeance)
Timing of bashing:
1. Certain Market Makers are on the bid
2. A Market Maker has the stock price “Boxed” or “Locked”
3. “Cross trading” is occurring more than trading
4. Stock calls are showing up in trading
5. Posts about orders being passed over or not filled at all
6. A news release comes out this includes bashing previous releases
7. Fundamentals are being discussed including verifications and confirmations
8. Developments are beginning to come into the light
9. During silent periods brought on mostly by using the False News Release Card not to affect investors but to get through to the management. Thus conservative releasing of information plays right into the basher’s hands.
10. Restructuring time periods
There should be no doubt that someone who makes their focus to bash a company is gaining something from all their relentless efforts and time. No one, I believe, is as dedicated to bashing and libeling a company and its investors/shareholders without first having an interest or agenda and already considered the ramifications.
If you debate or challenge a basher with facts or a solid underlying basis look out for the high school naming calling, character assassinations, emotional vulgar language and ridiculous out right lies.
Remember it is known in the market there will always be sellers, shorters, etc. but not always buyers. Plus it is easier to gets people to sell than to buy. However, bashing has a more solid advantage over the other side of the coin, the infamous falsehood positive, the PUMP.
Again, the gain can be the result of any number or combination of agendas. However, one of the biggest is to unfocus off a possible accurate concern and deflect the focus on something that the public eye can believe, focus and thus complain. This is proving to be far more extensive than the typical basher.
Hey, just my opinion but I could be wrong!
Gary Swancey
Excellent composition Bird ... Excellent... See you have done your homework very well. I am going to post that in the header as a good reference for those who dare to expose the facts and thus endure a charater assassination.
Again very good.
Gary
Survival Skills:
Defenses against Character Assassination.
If you have ever taken the unpopular position of pointing out the hardcore actual facts about a topic to any group on a message board, you have likely been the target of a Character Assassination attempt by those that were benefiting from the misrepresentation going on.
You don't, however have to succumb to the viscous assault directed at your online persona. There are a number of tools that not only can thwart your attackers, but also can even help further spreading of the truth you've exposed. These tools are not limited to investment related boards, they have been in use on many topics in my over twenty years of posting. At the end of this article I will include an example of these tools in action. Feel free to use it whenever you need to protect yourself.
Tool Number One: KNOW YOUR OPPONENT
This is both the simplest and most difficult tool to employ. The most common mistake is to color your opponent's comments with your own reactions. Review your opponent's posts without reacting to them. You should be able to see each of the weaknesses in the argument being made. Usually the biggest weakness is the absolute absence of fact. Everything will be innuendo and insinuation. From this the audience is supposed to infer the 'truth'. Be ready to take the position apart point by point.
Tool Number Two: STATE YOUR CASE UNEMOTIONALLY
Remove all passion, emotion, rhetoric and/or personal information from your post. DO NOT directly attack your opponent. DO NOT restate ANY of your opponent's points. Simply present your factual evidence. Your opportunity to take your opponent's position apart will come soon enough.
Tool Number Three: LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT IS COMING
If you have done your homework for step one you can get very specific here. However the example below, though generic in nature will cover almost every possible opponent's tactics in character assassination. Politely apologize for the board having to put up with the nonsense that your opponent will dish out, but don't refer to your opponent directly. What will amaze you is how your opponent will deliver almost as if they take this post and check off each item one by one. As they do so it discredits them in the eyes of many and adds to your credibility.
Tool Number Four: THE NON-DENIAL DENIAL
This is the most critical step. Your opponent will invariably try to stop your factual presentation by appearing to deny without actually saying, "it isn't true". As an example I refer to the movie "All the President's Men" because one of history's most famous Non-denial Denials is issued by President Nixon when the Watergate Story is first broken. It is also in this film that the term Non-denial Denial is first used outside of a newsrooms inner sanctum. Essentially, what you are looking for is a statement like this…
"If you are inferring that I have done something wrong you are sadly mistaken."
On the surface this reads as a denial, but closer inspection reveals that what is really being said is this…
"You've got me but I'm not going to admit it."
I highly recommend you watch "All the President's Men" as they cover this topic quite well.
On a side note, one peculiar quirk of Message boards is that the NDD is often accompanied by an attempt to deflect your assertion of fact back to you as an attempt at some illegal or unethical behavior on your part. Be sure to point this out when you see it.
Tool Number Five: KEEP THE AUDIENCE INFORMED
As your opponent posts, respond unemotionally by pointing out the errors in logic, factual misrepresentation, the Non-denial Denials, and the personal attacks made by your opponent. NEVER respond directly to your opponent. Always talk to the Audience when pointing out your opponent's mistakes. At the end of your post you may (once you're more experienced) choose to bait your opponent into issuing another post for you to pick apart.
Tool Number Six: REPEAT AS NECESSARY
Remember an argument is intended to be a series of connected statements that lead to a conclusion satisfactory to those involved. Your opponent has likely forgot this, If they ever learned it at all. Don't fall into the trap of responding directly to them, that increases their credibility and undermines yours. It isn't easy to follow that sometimes but the effort to maintain that position pays big dividends.
In conclusion,
I wish you all good fortune in dealing with character assassins. They have a great deal invested in their positions and will stop at nothing to prevent the truth from being told. It doesn't help matters that so many sheep are more than willing not only to be fleeced, but to unwittingly aid in the fleecing new sheep. Our task is a thankless one. Furthering the efforts to improve critical thinking in others though will develop our own thinking processes.
This is an example of the post you might use in tool #3.
Ladies and Gentlemen...
I apologize for what is about to ensue. It appears that my logic has correctly deduced the situation. Since my detractors have no reasonable argument to combat my assertions, they launch the personal assaults upon my character, sanity, morals and intellect. Heck they may even begin to explore sexual inadequacy references or possibly attempt to question what my preference is.
I had hoped that I was mistaken in my assertion, however the proof is in the pudding. Left with the option of fessing up or attempting character assassination the Guilty will always choose assassination. For those of you that will read all of the upcoming vitriol please notice that an out right unequivocal denial will not be issued. As anyone who has ever seen 'All the Presidents Men' will remember, one of the key elements in the breaking of the Watergate Story was Nixon's *Non-denial Denial*.
As these are presented I will point them out. Of course they can outright lie and issue a bona fide denial. But that may expose them to prosecution for quite a few things should the truth turn out otherwise.
David Weed
aka the Bird of Prey
www.warp-drive.com
you didn't include in your article what the basher actually gains
"Survivor" = Patsy Enduring An Internet Inquisition
The Internet is upon us creeping into our lives and slowing but surely becoming a main part of social interaction. Internet chat rooms and message boards now consist of an array of people that are there to share and interact with each other about a similar topic of interest. Along with this assembly of different personalities comes all the challenges, debates, different perspectives, logic and intelligence. Opinions and views are hard to figure out because most of the time the underlying basis of experience is omitted. Even worst, one soon discovers this is a gathering of people who would normally never interact with each other in the normal course of life.
Thus from this elaborate mixture of humanity comes the ever present truth, people aren't interested in the truth and real justice. Only what is convenient and can be twisted to justify the events that have had such a shattering effect on them, especially financial. Saving Face is the primary motive. However, just who is the real culprit? Is it the one that escapes the long arm of justice by hiding secretively behind a pseudonym on the Internet with focused accusation rhetoric at some target? Unlike the witch-hunter, the target of the inquisition is most likely not hiding behind an alias and has fully exposed who they are in the real world and thus accountable and has demonstrated integrity and duty in their posting. You can even contact these pre-condemned personalities if you wanted to talk to them directly.
Since the beginning of time, there has always been those that make a living or have a purpose in life to play the not so straight and narrow for personal, religious, financial or political gain. But also these types are also the masters of casting blame by rhetorical impression management (brainwashing) of twisted falsehoods on someone who can be made to be the object of blame. Makes no difference if the target denies it or not, the point is to focus off the area of the real truth and establish the ultimate contrived frame. Thus by direct focus on the target and off the real culprits, a rhetorical Internet Truth can be established as an Internet Fact. Heck, even if the Inquisitor gets exposed they just give it a few weeks and resurface. This is a main function of a “Might Makes Right” Campaign when distracting away from the facts.
So who are the targets typically? Most of the time it is someone boldly honest, forthright, easily accessible, out spoken and above all who has disclosed who he or she is in the real world. These are the perfect Internet scapegoats, whipping boys and of course the fall guys to take the convenient blame for daring to expose a culprit or provide organized due diligence. It is easier to taint someone of reputation because you can do research on him or her to twist into an inquisition, than it is to focus on that which is already tainted or hidden behind a shroud of secrecy. Primarily this is because no one would have believed the tainted or the unknown, but would have followed the untainted of the inquisition.
For example: The best Pump and Dump stocks are the ones that have little or no information, thus the written word becomes the source of factual information by twisting the truth, the Lies. It is extremely hard to Pump-Up a tainted stock that is fully reporting because the opposition would be too cumbersome. This also works on the other side of the coin. A stock that is fully reporting is easy to taint through convenient impression management and thus easier to convert the public’s opinion to a negative. Once the damage is done the effects are carried forward by the disgruntled once positive public, regardless of the facts and the supporting due diligence. The Internet Patsy is the poor positive poster that provided due diligence and supported the stock. Kudos turned to Bricks. Typically, they are known in the real world and thus the perfect target. Painting the tape and the target negatively can be easily perform thus generate selling to cover a short position. If the inquisition and “Might Makes Right” campaign is effective, the stock price will move up just a little before sells begin and the short can cover thus the chances of a major run is greatly reduced.
Let’s face it, the age of the Internet Inquisition is upon us in a historical sense, which was and is today nothing more than an emotion, speculative railroading of someone(s) to blame for all that is wrong with the world, especially the stock market. The Culprits are fully aware that the only side the law is interested in is the unlawful lies to build up something in the public’s eyes for personal financial gain. However, the destroying of something for personal financial gain has not yet come into focus. Since this is the way the law thinks, thus the Inquisition can be effectively administered by framing the target to a Pump and Dump. But what about evidence to build credence? Simple to effectively establish a solid frame, just plant evidence at the target’s domain. In the stock market, the target’s domain would be the Internet chat site and the stock price. Thus by effectively manipulating the stock price downward combined with negative rhetorical impression management campaign to the public, the public’s confidence can be effectively brainwashed and the “Patsy” inquisition well established.
Now while the target is defending, which is a no-no, the chat site is not focused on fundamentals but purely the stock price, interest in the stock and relentless personal attacks on the Patsy. The only fundamentals will be those questions that are nothing more that requests for inside information supported by the logic that “We as shareholders have a right to know.” The realization is the knowledge of knowing the inquisition questions can’t be answered thus more proof speculative deception on the target. The Culprits sit back laughing at just how stupid, moronic and gullible people really are while they feel more and more secure they will never be suspected or discovered.
Another target is the poster through dedication and diligence has a track record of exposing hidden deception and brought it out to the public. Thus the exposed Culprits, out of vengeance, merely locate the target’s previous adversaries to assist in the Internet Inquisition.
To effectively organize an Internet Inquisition:
1. There has to be smoke coming from other sources other than the Inquisitor’s campfires.
2. The Inquisitor cannot resort to facts because the facts will not support them only Internet Facts, in other words fabricated innuendoes and solid effective twists on the facts.
3. Stay away from the filings if they can not be used to give credence to Internet facts.
4. Selective Rhetorical phases out of sentence structures that can be used to make a bold and confident statement of negativity, thus undermining the content of the sentence. (POS/PAS)
5. The Rhetoric of the Inquisition must flat out be a “Might Makes Right” Contest.
6. Manipulate the rhetoric so the inquisition never looks bad in the public eye and it must be powerful and traumatic.
7. Destroy the “King Arthur” and “Camelot” images thus the public’s perception.
8. Feedback is any ally turned nemesis, the more redundant name calling such as moron, stupid, fools, cronies or any other type negative will eventually have an effect.
9. Praise the conversion by anyone who was positive beginning to turn negative except the target, though typically the target is the one that finds something to actually be negative about.
10. Never allow the main inquisitors to be exposed, remain hidden at all costs. If exposed increase the personal attacks and name-calling by making it extremely personal with prejudice.
Red Flags of an Inquisition in process:
1. Name calling (sure sign someone cannot account for something)
2. Emotional rhetoric but rarely a fact
3. Negative predictions of stock price by the inquisitor
4. Flat out lies by the Inquisitor
5. Multiple aliases (especially conversations between the aliases, truest deception)
6. Strange stock trading in a timely manner to Inquisitor’s postings and predictions
7. Highly orchestrated and well planned Impression Management Rhetoric
8. Personal attacks of even the lowest standards
9. Vulgarity and Profanity
10. Intimidation coupled with requests for apologies
We are all possible victims of Internet injustice as long as the chat and message board media is controlled and used for propaganda purposes instead of factual information. One thing, I have learned personally, is that as long as the Inquisitors can remain hidden, the inquisition doesn't have to be coordinated even near perfection when the inquisitor have the tools of the internet media and law at their disposal, unlike factual due diligence. The constant inquisitions and growing number on each chat site by the continued media manipulation without any general public outcry, is sad evidence to this composition!
:=) Gary Swancey
Gary.....I believe that we could shout for equality and justice until we were unable to croak out another syllable, and "high finance" would still continue to have selective hearing. Banding together for mutual sharing/pooling of financial information can save us from costly, stupid investment decisions.....but collectively we don't affect the elephant any more than the flea crawling up the beasts leg with carnal pleasure on its little mind.
Still, every so often a bad guy gets caught, pays a fine or does a little time. In cyberland, it is d a m m hard to figure out who is good or bad, friend or foe. It is very much like the scripts used by the wrestling promoters. They can change the villain into hero (and back again) with the stroke of a pen. Posters can perform the same alchemy with the click of a key.....so who do you trust - who can you trust?
It is kind of a financial "Survivor" game that we engage in daily, but few of us realize that the game is mostly rigged and the cards are marked. But then again, investing is becoming more like betting every day, or is it the other way around?
Critical Thinking and Exposure with a Cognizant Basis would be a good summation. Here we are all trying to learn and help others learn to combat the big machine of the world. Facts and opinions with a solid underliying basis and even views but views most likely will be challenged.
Also rhetoric that is like an attorney's cross examination question like "Do you still beat your wife?" or the childish conversation control word "WHY?" that regardless of basis cannot be answered and is only an entrapment, will probably backfire on the poster. Setups are not tolerated, witch-hunting, name calling, accussations with documentation, witch-hunting and blame casting or any other type post that possibly relates to a "Poor-Me Syndrome" ... In other words post with responsibility that will help others as a whole.
Hope this lays it out fairly well but mainly we are trying to discover the evil forces and pitfalls. The only way to expose the mistakes is to do the due diligence and write a cogniznat opinion. Most of all this is an attempt to be a people's voice to shout we want a level playing in the world.
Gary
Hello tufcat333,
We converse on many topics here. Sometimes political, sometimes whimsical. Much of it centers around how people interact on message boards, especially investment boards. Also we discuss the essays on investing presented by the chairman or sometime on his other essays.
The only real big rule here is respect. Respect the other persons right to their opinion. No personal attacks, and do your homework, know what you are talking about. Cause if you don't someone that does is bound to correct you.
That said, Glad to have you here. Browse the posts, Chime in. Dazzle us with your own brand of prose.
Bird of Prey
Have you requested proper credit and offerd to exchange links? I've found this to be a great promotional tool for my site. We've got lots o' stuff that gets plagiarized.
Bird of Prey
LOL ... Canadian Plagiarism (at least some of my writings are there) but have been expanded on condensed.
http://www.fraudbureau.com/investor/101/
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Gary,
Thanks for the info. I think I understand why you are making this available to me. I hope that it won't be necessary. This stuff is interesting though.
BTW, Shipped $1400 today. Have about half that much tomorrow. Business is really picking up.
birdofprey
Bird of Prey
Thanks Gary!
OB (:>}))))))
Here is one you may not know about. Go "Start" and then click "Run" type in "tracert" spacebar then the IP number.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
I see You like that netdemon Gary. I used it very effectively some time ago when researching something.
Frank (:>})))))
Hey Bird here is a few more interesting sites.
ARIN IP registration - http://www.arin.net/ Thus http://www.arin.net/whois/arinwhois.html
HACKER TRACKER - http://onlinescanner.com/cgi-bin/ldtracker
NetDemon - http://www.netdemon.net
You can ping and finger your way through. Time consuming but effect.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
No I ahve been extremely busy so I will go there now. Just now getting caught up on messages.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Birdofprey, here is a site you might find useful one day. You will have to play with it and be timely. But it is one of the best.
Net Demon.
http://www.netdemon.net/downloads/
hehehehhe
Gary
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Gary, did you get a chance to see the message I left in your chatroom this afternoon?
signed,
Bernard
Include the link
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Ahhhh, Another great article Gary. Thanks for the interesting reading. Do You mind if I copy and paste this elswhere?
Frank
Because of the activities of Raging Bull and the running off of solid posters Lycos could have a real problem trying to clean up a site that basically the bashers dominate and reign supreme.
Like your idea about emailing a comment.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
"The Influential Basher"
The more I research and do the Due Diligence on potential investments, the more I discover that regardless of the due diligence one force on the internet is a force that will have to be addressed, "The Influential Basher." If it is left to fester and the regulators refuse to approach or investigate these individuals, a company demonstrates a lack of understanding just how powerful these types really are on the Internet today.
It used to be the "Poor-Me" types whining and crying as disgruntled investors, were the main bashers. However, their influence is only effective as to the number of "Poor-Me" type followers they can draw to their whines. The lack of business savvy or not having a shred of business knowledge does not build influence. Boo-Hoo-Hoo can only be tolerated for so long by even the lowest intelligence.
As the Internet grows so does "The Influential Basher." First of all, these bashers are out for total loyalty and to convert as many positives to their propaganda. By adapting the ways of the lying Pump & Dump expert, the other side of the coin is a lot easier to convert the less critical or independent thinkers in the investment world. I have noticed that they even hate having the "Poor-Me" types and would rather create multiple aliases that get a following of ridiculous whiners.
So how do these influential bashers manipulate the masses? Easy, they have 5 little areas they have to dominate effectively.
1. Arriving in a time of stress - There is not a better time to arrive to a stock to conveniently attempt to gain control than low volume with a fall in stock price. Simply, there is no worry of any volume that may cause volume alerts on trader’s screens. Combined with a drop in price, the plays are to further upset the investors or long term holders. Obviously most anyone except those that have the power to play the market down for financial gain, are typically confused and upset with the downward fall in price. An outsider from Cyberspace can merely arrive at a time of price recession and try to gather as many stressed out followers as possible that will agree with select focal points as an excuse for their loss.
2. Resistance to the factual information – The old impression management tactic is if you say it enough times and with conviction you will always get support. The bashing redundancy of predictions or focus twisted information need not have a ring of truth to it because if it is in print; it can't be wrong … or it at the very least it has to have some kernel of truth, according to some. Thus the cultivation of fear of failure, high risk-taking and high self-belief can be effectively introduced to potential followers and thus a new innovative guru has been spawn through deception methods.
3. Theatricality - Through transmogrification rhetoric, the theatrics are so well played that some soap operas writers are envious. This gross, vulgar, grotesquely offensive style is credited with a great deal of boldness and recklessness, especially for the truth. Harmless entertainment is the excuse but in reality it is nothing more than employed dramatic gestures among the players in a critical game of deception before the viewing public. If they can't get followers then they play all the roles themselves through multiple aliases.
4. Impression management - Predictions of further drops in stock price, goodwill attacks and various others bashing cards establishes the integrity of this bashing visionary. By being relentless and always following through on symbolic gestures such a insulting name calling against targets, even to the point of god and family, the benefit is not that some will be offended but the powerful benefit is to exhibit deep conviction that can no longer be sheltered by qualities of humility and silence.
Media influence - The key media influence is to find a liberal message board site that is only concerned with page hits. Selective regulation, monitoring, & TOS enforcement is another key component for the Basher’s consideration. This is because sites, such as Raging Bull where it appears 90% of the advertisers are brokerages until recently there is a ridiculous Java Pop up ad that most just kill or turn off their Java, are a perfect cesspool for the hidden agendas of the influential basher. These sites prefer members to use the ignore feature but do nothing in the way of monitoring and regulating. Thus these charismatic bashers go unchecked for personal attacks, twisted lies, multiple aliases, and message board disruption as they build up in the public eye a self-touted success of predictions. The key is the more attention the basher gets in their criticizing twists of material facts, misleading, false and defamatory statements, the more expose their receive. The more exposure the more followers they will gather, which they will not hesitate to tout the rebellious posters that were once positive.
Any small investor that has been on line for any length of time comes to recognize the phenomena of these charismatic bashers that dominate and take over the thread with vengeance. These anti-Plato bashers use any type of deception or twist in their attempts to being considered a divine source and thus define their online character. This self-making credibility is an essential component as they appoint themselves to power. By total conviction and posting what they believe it to be their destiny, thus they will attract exuberant and enthusiastic cadres of willing converted followers.
To challenge these Influential Bashers with filings, news releases, facts and even verifications, they will not easily allow for their fall from grace. They have risen at a time of economic crisis with a newness of logic and anti-establishment values to evoke devotional, obedient and often passionate psychological responses to recruit followers. Thus they have an army to wield its authority derived from belief only, and it is as radical as it is personal.
What separates these Influential Bashers from the "Poor-Me" types in general are attributes such as an overriding sense of mission, complete self-confidence, resistance to and a plan for escape from the status quo and setting a strong personal example. They have to and must be able to impress upon their growing followers the truth of their vision through highly theatrical methods. Constantly, the agenda and implication is a strong level of financial danger for followers who accept facts and verified events rather than the self-belief truth of an irrational or delusional basher.
Influential Bashers must cultivate and adopt effective rhetorical and persuasive communication strategies in order to recruit and motivate their followers. This is a dangerous combination with they align the art of persuasion with propaganda and brainwashing, in unison with the personal attachments these bashers inspire, which often can lead to charges of manipulation. The more diabolical the basher, such as Hitler or Charles Manson, this points to the important relationship between ethics and attraction, facts and convenient speculation.
One event the Influential Bashers avoid is any of the spawning various Internet sites, such as InvestorsHUB, where the solid reputable posters go to avoid the unregulated sewers. There the bashers are outside their element and thus open for exposure. These new upcoming sites have a strict no-tolerance attitude for personal attacks, stalking, multiple aliases, and vulgarity or message board disruption. Many a site has fallen because of their unfocused attitudes off the basic principals of a clean site. Thus by caring only about page hits they have slipped into the sewer of the Internet.
To try and handle the movement to another thread the Influential Basher will refuse to go to the new site to post but will frequently visit to stay on top of what facts or verifications are being expressed. Thus with this knowledge they address the following to invade the site while they can remain safe in the septic tank where they are confident they will not be exposed.
They misuse their freedom of speech, influence and expression as they plan their bash campaign to effectively manipulate a stock price.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Agree...however, I think their already on the ground and would need a massive enema to get up...lol. Hope you enjoyed your b-ball game!
b/r Arch
Nah...
Let them drive themselves into the ground...
:)
mb
Gary....Based upon the announcement by Lycos concerning their purchase of Raging Bull, I took the liberty of sending a (hopefully) courteous email to Lycos management. I asked them to review the current code of conduct followed by Raging Bull, and to do something about multiple posters. I urge everyone to send an email to Lycos and express their feelings. Perhaps we can effect some changes for the better.
Thanks Gary, have a good week in the market. Come visit us anytime. b/r Arch
Critical and independent thought is a must in this market where everyone is looking for sheep mentally to fleece.
My attackers are mostly evil I have exposed or ran across in another stock. P&D newsletters, manipulators, shorters, professional bashers, etc.
Seems everytime I expose another part of the game the ones playing the game get ticked. Heck, I even have gotten my life theatened on a composition. However, this 144 has really riled up a few and compounded by a multiple alias exposure they are down right frantic.
But this is the internet and people personally attacking and obessed makes me wonder.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Arch, I do not try to project what a stock will do only provide simple basic DD. The rest is up to whatever. However, my compositions are based on my experiences. I only hope to stimulate brain thought by writing those articles.
GULF is going to be interesting I do believe and JNOT I am skeptical of over .18 but it appears a lot of on line promotion is going on.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Gary, thanks for your picks and stellar articles. I'll be the first to tell you I'm here to learn. The more you learn, the more you realize what you don't know. We also have JNOT as a Pick of the Week on the Corner; so feel free to come visit with any dd. BTW, awesome dd on GULF - very much appreciated. Thank you sir! Best regards. Arch
Bird of Prey,
I would like to second that!
IT MAKES YOU THINK!
And that is why you catch so much flak, Gary. most folks resent it when you make them use their brain.
I forgot who made the quote, but it goes something like:
"People's greatest fear is what they don't understand."
And I think people get a little riled up when they have to think and/or don't understand, so they naturally attack you.
Keep up the insightful articles.
mb
If it is of any comfort to you...
I have experienced many of the same things and have reached similar conclusions. Further, as you know I never simply take anyones word for anything, especially on the internet! Heck, for all I know even Einstein could be wrong!
I have done the homework regarding your opinions as stated in your compositions. I have found very little to even quibble with. The General Premise of each appears correct. Above all however each of your articles has one common element that set them apart, that places them in my *must read* files and that keeps me reviewing them. That element is one I consider to be more important than anything else in anything that I read...
IT MAKES YOU THINK!
And that is why you catch so much flak, Gary. most folks resent it when you make them use their brain. I am an exception though in that I love using my brain. It is something I hope I will continue to be able to do for many years to come.
Later,
Bird of Prey
I am membermarking him now!
This reads almost word for word my typical trading strategy save for one thing.
I use it to write covered calls. It isn't as glamourous as day trading, but it involves much less stress and takes really very little time. I usually make four or five trades a month and have been averaging about a 10% return per month. It is real easy to sleep at night and I don't pull my hair out, that is if I had any hair to pull out!
Bird of Prey
I do not know if I am right but my opinions and compositions are based on experiences I go through. The rest may be some what accurate but the more I get attacked by known shorters, bashers and witch-hunters the more I believe I am exposing their game to fleece the small investor.
Lots of rhetoric is passed around screaming foul but no one hardly gets into the meat and potatoes of how these offshore manipulate the US market. ALmost as if being a US citizen you are handicapped in the US stock market because the world can do as they please.
Again that 144 and exposing a few multiple aliases has drawn fire on me in personal attacks. I like it though.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Here is a post I found very forthright and accurate.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=41557
Might just start tracking this fellow on his savvy in the charting arena of trading.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
It also makes it easy for those of us that have suffered a brain lock and can't remember some of the things you've told us! :)
Bird of Prey
Decided to organize the articles since some are being passed around on other char sites. Might as well make it easy for someone if they want to voice an opposing opinion an easy way to do it.
:=) Gary Swancey
Contracted Independent Investor Relations for
CBQI & DTGI, compensated a monthly cash fee
http://www.marketex.net/compensate.htm
Nice articles you have written for all to view.I hope folks would come here to learn and be better equipment to deal with the markets, after they are down reading.Nice use of the I-box!
Gary,
Great work on the *blue box* update. Everyone that reads here should bookmark this board if for no other reason than to find the articles mentioned in the *blue box*!
Thanks for asking me to help monitor this board. I will be diligent in maintaining the high standards that both you and IHub have established here. With the help of our existing members I am sure we can keep this board a great place to read and post.
birdofprey
NO *might* about it...
I am going to insist that he begin copyrighting his material!
I love his style and his down to earth approach to investing. His prose is easy to read and comprehend. He should get credit for his work. When I quote him, he always does and will continue to do so.
Birdofprey
Excellent article Gary. Great stuff - thanks! Come visit us on the Corner with your stock picks when you have a chance. Have a good one! Best regards. Arch
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/board.asp?board_id=307
Independent Thinking
Today we live in the world of cyberspace and its glorious opinions and views laced with redundant cheerleading and hype or witch-hunting and bash. Also when those are the norms, then the small few that have an underlying basis and solid information are incasts or outcasts because it is "KUDOS" if it is positive and "OH LORD SCUMBAG MORON" if it is remotely negative.
To know for sure, if a possible reasonable negative that cannot be answered soon it will be followed by attacking the messenger with any possible twisted information possible. Facts and an underlying basis are enemies to the pumpers/cheerleaders or the witch-hunters/bashers because you wont do as they say and load up with your money or sell out completely. Independent thought causes you to make considerations on your own merit and not theirs. This is a sin on the Internet especially in the arena of trading stocks.
The internet is nothing more than a glorified lip service from someone that could be nothing more that renting bowling alleys to kids that hide under concealed aliases or a moron like me. However, thinking for yourself is prohibited and some refuse to want to particularly encourage it because it goes against their agenda for people to buy, buy, buy or sell, sell, sell. Instead they want us to live in a cyber-culture in which irrational, uncritical conformity of thought is to be the norm and accepted:
Hypsters, cheerleaders, witch-hunters, bashers and so forth demand unquestioning obedience and fail terribly in their responsibility to encourage independent thought or rationalization. These types play off publicizing their moral values or the ability to stand up for their beliefs thus protecting their credibility, (Now there is an oxymoron) but you dare not do the same. It is a do as I do or think as I think and if you don't you shall be punished in personal attacks and character assassinations.
People that fail to teach themselves to apply critical thinking fall prey to obedience and mindless memorization of supposed facts or innuendos of another voice on line redundantly driving home their buy, buy buy or sell, sell, sell message. (Just a mere pump depending on which side of the coin their agenda is on.)
If you dare think independently then your are consider to have outdated behavior and values not to mention that you are both individually and socially destructive to yourself and their investment or agenda.
Cheerleaders/Hypsters or Witch-hunters/Bashers that manipulate the Internet media will express falsehoods routinely to cover up their misdoings and do anything to get buying or selling into a stock by post redundantly what ever focus they are trying to work.
Cheerleaders/Hypsters or Witch-hunters/Bashers always present biased information and superficial "information" because if you ask a reasonable question or challenge any information you are scum of the earth and you will be attacked and assassinated.
Thus these types resort to unanswerable questions, personal attacks about gender, age, racial, ethnic, geographical locations and even friend (cyber or real world) thus portraying violence and stupidity as an acceptable solution to the stock's problems, which unfocuses off the stock and on to your reasoning and thoughts to kill the credibility of your question, post and facts.
These types will also offer free advise and simplistic solutions to your complex personal problems not to mention great financial advise like BUY! or SELL!
They refuse to yield to demands and questions no matter what rights get trampled in their wake of personal bashing because anything goes to get the buying or selling so the price of the stock will go up or down depending on the agenda.
They will also used any type of intimidation, censorship, threat and force of law at their disposal to silence any independent thought that goes against their agenda.
It is a Grim picture I know, but not a hopeless cause nor the end of civilization as we know it. The Internet is getting more and more savvy in reading and interpreting the forces that post. More and more individuals, are making valuable contributions to rational and independent thinking. Due Diligence is always under fire by speculation, innuendo and assumptions, which by the way are not up holdable in a court of law even if stated with the truest of convictions. Most are consider pumpers and bashers but they strive forward anyway.
The goal of each investor is to bring together these "pieces of the puzzle" and provide yourself with information you can use to:
* become more independent of what you see and hear before you invest your hard earned money question all assumptions, beliefs, and values and make sure you have a solid underlying basis for what you believe to be irrational and rational
* become more skilled at standing up for your beliefs while still being tolerant and fair-minded about the beliefs of others however for this you will get flamed and personally attacked.
encourage everyone to think for themselves prior to investing hard earned money.
* Step up to the plate and become more active in the struggle for rational, critical and independent thinking to be acceptable and not support the belittlement of someone who merely asks a question or is being lambasted by ridiculous unanswerable questions.
The constitution and the freedom of speech right is designed so we don't always agree with each other nor do we always agree with the speakers and writers both positive or negative on a stock. That's as it should be. If everyone agreed, not much independent thinking would get done and we all would be nothing but sheep for the fleecing .
"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you like everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting." - e. e. cummings "A Poet's Advice to Students"
When questions are not answered (aside for unanswerable questions) and personal attacks reign, you have to ask yourself what about the question was so disturbing. You also have to wonder is this personal attacker hiding something they do not want brought out. Have they been exposed and now out to unfocus? Remember, once you buy into it, (Hype, story or personal attacks) you can loose your backside in a heartbeat not to mention your supposed credibility..
The bottom line is to do the due diligence and know why you own the security. Be able to answer questions on that security from your own due diligence. Taking the word or story of someone else or their due diligence is not a good idea when it is used to replaced or substitute your own due diligence. Use common sense!
Gary Swancey
:=) Gary Swancey
Bashing Agendas
Bashing Agendas are simple really. Bashing breakdowns into two different categories.
1. Factual information
2. Falsehoods in both interpretation and information. (The Twist)
How do you tell the two apart? Emotional content.
There are two emotions that dominate the stock market, Greed and Fear, where Bashing deals strictly on stimulating Fear
Bashing with factual information is someone who took the pain staking time to research the fundamentals and management, thus they post the facts. No name-calling, vulgar expressions, personal attacks or character assassinations but rather a clear and concise representation of Due Diligence (DD). It is plainly obvious the poster would not put money in the security because of the findamentals. (Findamentals are the not so pleasant negative fundamentals that have been found that some how has not made into the entire write ups of positive due diligence such as lawsuits, criminal history, etc.) The negative is expressed with minimal speculation or interpretation and the poster is just making an informative venting post .
Also their questions are very solid and can be answered by anyone who took the time to do their own DD..
However, the relentless emotional basher whose post clearly contains no facts or even a solid underlying basis only “Bashing Cards” such as:
Pump and Dump Card = This is the favorite and typically the most used card. No proof other than a fall in stock price or momentum growing.
Reverse Split Card = This one is great for getting sells. These words strike fear in the hearts of investor.
POS / PAS Card = This is the art of Purposely Omitting/Adding Syntax to effect a negative out of a positive by twisting information.
Loss of Money Card = This is a favorite as they post the price is going down so tou should sell so you do not lose money.
False Press Releases Card = Is basically used to put doubt on the information typically after the fact. The effort is to take the news releases outside the time frame or corner to corner content of the release by convenient mis-interpretation.
Credibility Card = Believe me not the TA or fundamentals they are quick to tout they are always right. The only credibility is your own and no one else on line should you get credibility.
“Goodwill” Attack Card = Use to discredit management typically the poster would make a better CEO.
Insider Card = They had a contact inside and know more than the public thus they are trying to save the investment community.
Insider Question Card = Questions that can’t be answered unless you are an insider.
Civil Suit Card = Almost as good as the reverse split card because it strikes fear instantly into the hearts of investors.
Cyber-Moses (Mother Superior) Card = Used to save everyone from an evil company. However, most of the time it is to achieve credibility and a following of Cyber-sheep (Dumb Money).
Lack of Synergy Card = The right hand of the company does not know what the left hand is doing.
Question Card = Question everything regardless of confirmation ro verification,
Redundant Ad Card = This is typically “SELL! SELL! SELL!” posted repeatedly follows the advertising game’s logic of repetition to drive a point home.
Antagonistic Card = Used primarily to attack and discredit the pro posters.
Chaos Card = Disrupt the flow of information. A negative talk site = confusion and negative public opinion
A bash is simply an intentional attempt by (mostly an anonymous) someone to negatively spin or twist certain facts about a company and/or its products to induce Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt to the sites reading community.
They do this for the purpose of:
* Harming or libeling the goodwill (reputation) and public image of the company to induce sells or hinder buying pressure to affect the marketcap,
* An emotional personal vengeful campaign against someone within the company or who is posting positive on the stock to induce sells or hinder buying pressure to affect the marketcap,
* To induce sells and hinder buying pressure so that a short position can be covered
* To induce sells or hinder buying pressure thus driving the price down and accumulate at the lowest possible point.
The various types of bashers:
Cyber-Mother-Superiors or Cyber-Moses out to save everyone (looking for cyberfame and a following)
* A disgruntled promoter or consultant (didn’t get stock or a deal)
* A disgruntled employee or ex employee (got laid off or fired or about to be)
* A competitor (strictly for competitive advantage)
* A disgruntled shareholder that loss money (these types show up vent and leave)
* A broker or voice for a broker or financial institution (looking to effectively gain and advantage on buying and selling the security for gain)
*An emotional unstable poster posting mainly against some other Cyber-personality (vengeance)
Timing of bashing:
* Certain Market Makers are on the bid
* A Market Maker has the stock price “Boxed” or “Locked”
* “Cross trading” is occurring more than trading
* Stock calls are showing up in trading
* Posts about orders being passed over or not filled at all
* A news release comes out this includes bashing previous releases
* Fundamentals are being discussed including verifications and confirmations
* Developments are beginning to come into the light
* During silent periods brought on mostly by using the False News Release Card not to affect investors but to get through to the management. Thus conservative releasing of information plays right into the basher’s hands.
* Restructuring time periods
There should be no doubt that someone who makes their focus to bash/libel a company is gaining something from all their relentless efforts and time. No one, I believe, is as dedicated to bashing and libeling a company and its investors/shareholders without first having an interest or agenda and has already considered the ramifications.
If you debate or challenge a basher with facts or a solid underlying basis look out for the high school naming calling, character assassinations, emotional vulgar language and ridiculous out right lies. This will happen ...
Remember it is known in the market there will always be sellers, shorters, etc. but not always buyers. Plus it is easier to gets people to sell than to buy. However, bashing has a more solid advantage over the other side of the coin, the infamous falsehood positive, the PUMP.
Gary Swancey
:=) Gary Swancey
Gary,
I've seen a lot of posts here lately...
People are clearly reading your stuff, reposting it as their own!!
Not fair...
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15255240
You might have to start copyrighting yourself!!!
You da man
mb
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