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So how is married life, Sassy?
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Oh, so this is where you asked me and I didn't respond?? I haven't stopped by here in months, so sorry for the delayed response.
In case you didn't see it, I am wonderful and happily married. In fact, this will be my final post as my husband and I are off for vacation to France and Ireland later today.
My husband is a wonderful and kind man. I just hope that everyone can find the happiness that I have.
Another thing that occurred to me was RO's statement that he downloaded some software but didn't see it on his desktop.
However, RO, remember those instructions I gave you recently about locating system tools?
You need to do something similar. Click on Start/programs/and when the list opens ('drops down') look for the name of the software package you downloaded. Right click once on it, and choose "Send to->" and then click 'desktop'. You should then see an icon on your desktop. You can move it around to organize your screen.
Re: My thought is that RO has gradually accumulated so much spyware, adware
I see now. Yes, he could have that problem, too. However, I'm thinking his not being able to get on the ABC boards might be that his IP address has been banned.
RO, here is a link to getting free proxies. They mask your real IP address. Read the about it first here:
http://www.stayinvisible.com/index.html
I don't think you need any software to do this, but I could be wrong. You see, I've never used it, but always kept handy info that someone sent to me. They simply said this:
Go here and pick out a proxy (I've dug deeper for you at that site to take you right to a list) here:
http://www.proxy4free.com/page1.html
In Internet Explorer go to Tools, then Internet options, click the Connections tab, click the LAN settings button, check use a proxy then the advanced button will be enabled, click it, put in the proxy address and port in the HTTP place and then click ok until you are out of the dialogs. You may have to try several proxies before you get one that works and is fast.
Good luck.
My thought is that RO has gradually accumulated so much spyware, adware, etc., that his system is choking on it.
The three freeware packages I recommended might help him with these problems.
Unfortunately, I see from his post at the Book Board that he can't post here any more.
RO, you should check daily if you can't post here. I think it might be that you have a "free" membership that lets you post up to five times a day, but since we were all grandfathered in, we get to make unlimited posts.
Quasi, I'm stumped. I've got Firefox on my computer, but am so used to using IE that I rarely if ever use Firefox. Nonetheless, Firefox is a wonderful browser and far less prone to letting in viruses.
What has me stumped is why would an alternative browser have any effect on running Windows '98? If the problem is his OS how will this help? Is it a matter of not being able to upgrade to the latest version of IE with Win '98? I think I'm getting to my real question here...albeit slowly. LOL Do you suspect the problem is really the browser?
Also, if they're ending support on Win '98 in July (and that was extended support) why not upgrade to XP? It's only $89.
What size is your hard drive and RAM, RO? If you got the computer in 2001, I think the processor should be okay. A couple of years ago I updated an old Gateway with an AMD 400 processor to XP. My biggest constraint was my hard drive size (only 10 gigs and quite filled with other programs) and a motherboard that couldn't handle more than 384 MB of RAM and my desire to run Media Player while posting and IMing at the same time.
Holy moly, of all the people to run into here, and after such a long time.
In as much as Righton's been able to see the ways in which he was deceived, welcome back, RO.
My brother and sister-in-law are facing the same problem with their Win98 operating system, since I've learned Microsoft will absolutely, positively stop providing support for it after July 11th. I think a good solution for both of you would be to try installing Firefox, and then installing the Google toolbar once you've downloaded Firefox.
I'm intrigued by your mention of the old PI Alt board; the last time I bothered to look, it appeared that GW had simply left it lapse, since there had gotten to be so few responses.
Try going here:
http://www.fewpb.net/downloads.htm
This is the website for my local ISP, and the nice thing about it is, ANYONE can download what's on the page, even if you're not a subscriber. I suggest downloading SpywareBlaster, Ad-aware, and AVG for anti-virus protection. I use all three of them.
Good luck, I think.
Righton, I honestly don't know what you mean by "downloading" on ABC. If your old handle isn't working just create a new one, but it's still the same simple procedure.
Here's where we've been posting:
http://forums.go.com/abclocal/KTRK/forum?start=0&forumID=86&byThread=false
Simply click the "not a member?" link, create a new nic and you should be good to go. Other than accepting a cookie, I don't think anything gets downloaded. Further, if I recall correctly, I think some time in the past I had used a computer still running '98 to access the boards.
Oh, and if you possibly did get banned, make sure to dump all your old cookies first before doing any of this and make sure you're not on an ABC page when you do that.
If they took it further than banning your nic and banned your IP address, there are ways around that, too, but give my other suggestions a chance first.
The board has been somewhat quiet as of late, so maybe you'll be just the perfect person to stir things up. ;)
Anyway, it's good to hear that even you have gotten fed up with Bush and the Republicans. You're in growing company. Inasmuch as I'm not in favor of the conservative agenda in general, I wouldn't even characterize this president and Congress as conservative. A real conservative agenda would actually be a breath of fresh air compared to these corrupt barons. They're opportunists without principle for the most part. And the administration isn't merely power-hungry, they're inept at governance to boot. They are running this country, its principles and its reputation into the ground.
Well, I can't get on the boards in which y'all congregate. I went to "ABC.go.com" and it gives me downloads. But I'm downloading them, but I can't figure out what to do after that!
Probably what I need to do is take it to Best Buy and get them to upgrade it for me, if I don't want to spend money on a new one.
BTW... one thing I'd like to do is go on that book review place y'all hang out and write a brief dissertation of why I cannot stand Mr. Bush any longer... or his family. I'm sure you and a few others would like to read that, even though I haven't really changed any of my views. But I am going to turn in my RNC card [actually I've not been a member of it, that's just a nice way of putting it] and am going to register as an independent. I'm sick of the Republican party. Also, quite frankly, I'm sick of many on the Right who are so panty-waisted, sometimes I can't stand it! I'm tired of being associated with some of the Bush brown-nosers in our society and others who pay lip service to conservatism but are really sell-outs, too timid to take a stand one way or another. I'm tired of so many wimps!
Not to say I am embracing the evil "L-word" but I have moved on beyond the "liberal" label and keeping things to the lowest common denominator. "Liberal this" and "conservative that"-- it all gets old after awhile.
I'm fed up with Bush AND the Republicans! I may sit out this next election, I don't know.
Yes, I know the posts I responded to are old and unlikely to be read. I just figured I'd have fun and write what I could have written if I had been there. That y'all spoke of me so often is quite flattering, actually. I've noticed in my absense on the RB that dear ol' Cap and WEAC, two of my least favorite persons, like to call each other "RO" or "Righton" from time to time. Wow, like, get over it already! The same old rehashed arguments, over and over!
That's one reason I dropped out of sight! I'd gotten sick of politics, and so have pursued other things! If I can figure out how to get on the boards again, I might get back into the swing of things. I wondered if I could e-mail anybody to see if they knew how I could get back in. I put the nefarious Dauggy Daddy in a search engine, found his website, and asked him if he could help me out, but he decided to be his usual drama queen self and make a big production on there, asking the others if he should give me the new addy or not. Well, of course not, dumbass! If I send you an e-mail saying I'm seeing what you are saying, but I can't get in, then obviously I have found it! I can't believe what a drama queen he is!
Recently, I looked up any references to "Righton" on those boards. In one, I found you said you figured out that Cap told Blue Persuasion about my dunce-yet-innocent "nose" comment ["innocent" because I was just playing around and didn't realize you would take offense until Rogue e-mailed me and told me I needed to apologize, that that was over the line]. You said, "I figured out Cap told you about that," because that BP bitch wasn't on the boards when she later, uh, rubbed your nose in it. Well, I wanted to say [can do so now] I think you were right. I think Cap has been careful to fill her in on many juicy details which she has used to her advantage. Once, she did that to me, too, though I don't remember what it was about... likely my illness which I went to great pains to try and erase later.
Anyway... my message to you is... never turn your back on a pseudo-Christian. The pseudo-religious are beaten only by murdering despots [sometimes the two are the same] as the most cruel, vicious people you'll meet.
Rogue may or may not be surprised, but I'd actually like to congratulate her for her contributions on the RB. I used to resent her input, but I do realize that often there are opposing POV, and I've seen her make a few good points now and then. I've thought about e-mailing her, asking if she knows how I can get on. My first thought was that I must have gotten banned, but I think really my browser is too slow. But I can't figure out how to save the new download to my desktop. The page prior to the download page gives directions to double-click on the "Install icon", but I see no such icon. Mine is a Windows '98. When I went on PI, about the same time as you, I had just gotten this PC.
Hmmm... I just accidentally typed "Windows 2000" above. Now that I think of it, the downloads give "2000" as the earliest one. Maybe that's the problem. They don't download on a '98. Yes, maybe I need to either get a new PC [I'd rather not, at least not now] or get this one updated at Best Buy.
Any suggestions you have would be appreciated.
I guess we all get long-winded from time to time, eh? So much catching up to do!
Line of the year, according to me, Meme. Library Cop, remarking to a long-winded post from you to Spall that you thought that he was long-winded and boring.
Man, I see you guys were so obsessed with me once upon a time. Guilt'll do that to ya!
ROTFL! Gee, talk about obessive. Dude, you're replying to a post from 2001!
This is rather remarkable, actually. I haven't been to this site in many, many months. I'm not sure anyone who used to post on this board ever comes here anymore, but I occasionally check in on some of the stock discussions on other boards. You can't imagine how surprised I was to find you posting here.
So what happened to you anyway? You seemed to have dropped out of sight.
Well, IMHO, Terra has more than one screw loose, too. I find him as bad as righton.
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Hey, I guess I'll have to take what I can get, as I peruse in the lonesome darkness of this particular weird night, searching all the different folks who spent so much time talking about me.
Wowee! Graywolf admitted it!
I can't believe it!
I am through with PIAB - since RIGHTON has come, the entire board has gotten too weird (sorry, WEAC).--sassy
I understand. Terra and I really lit his fuse, and I have to admit that I was, for a time, using him as an outlet for my own anger, but I have gotten that under control now.--WEAC/Graywolf
Amazing! He actually admitted that he was using me as a punching bag over his anger elsewhere in his life. Of course, I never received an apology.
Wow! As I recall, that's what I was sayin' at the time.
Righton is a fuckin nut with no compunction about saying the most dreadful things to anybody including you.
Diddo, for Kronq, who I've only engaged with in consevation recently when HE attacked me!
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Well, it's nice to know that someone who thought [maybe thinks?] I'm a "fuckin nut" does not stoop to saying dreadful things about other folks.
BTW... it's "ditto".
Line of the year, according to me, Meme. Library Cop, remarking to a long-winded post from you to Spall that you thought that he was long-winded and boring.
Man, I see you guys were so obsessed with me once upon a time. Guilt'll do that to ya!
So how is married life, Sassy?
I'm sure I'll still find her. Just have to wait and see. I still have half a decade to reach your (old) age.
Well... I can finally answer!
I found a "free trial" in my mail box, after all this time!
Not that it will make a difference!
After all, he did call me a thief...
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I ASKED if you were a thief, didn't CALL you a thief.
I just hate it when people change my words around.
Gee RO, I see you're getting better at this. Heck, I bet there's a whole tenth of a degree distinction between what you said and the implication behind it.
So tell me... and remember I'm just asking here... but:
Are you a serial rapist, Righton?
Are you a murderer, Righton?
Are you insane and on the verge of going over the edge and killing yourself, Righton?
Please bear in mind that these are merely innocent questions from someone who honestly just wants to know the answers. No untoward implication is intended here and I will, of course, be justifiably and righteously indignant if you dare take offense at these perfectly innocuous questions.
yeesh!
No, no, and no.
See, I didn't take offense! The questions were not asked with any sincerity that I was either of those things. My question was based on what you yourself said of your own actions, that you are in the process of stealing something. Your response of indignancy indicates that my question was unnerving to you, and thus your hostile response... because you are a thief!
If you also agree, got to:
www.congressmerge.com fo;;ow the instructions and send this to your Senators and Represenitives (all in one mail) in Wash DC.
WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?
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>My Fellow Americans:
>As you all know, the defeat of the Iraq regime has been completed.
>
>Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our
>mission in Iraq is now complete.
>
>This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American
>forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now
>time to begin the reckoning.
>
>Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries
>which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is
>short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are
>some of the countries listed there.
>
>The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the
>world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be
>distributing copies of both lists later this evening.
>
>Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those
>nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved
>during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the
>Iraqi war.
>
>The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world
>Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.
>
>Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
>
>In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this
>money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home.
>On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we
>will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face
>of the earth. Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France,
>or maybe China.
>
>To Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Yo, boys. Work out a peace deal
>now. Just note that Camp David is closed. Maybe all of you can go to
>Russia for negotiations. They have some great palaces there. Big tables,
>too. I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with
>France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are
>retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.
>
>I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN
>diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid
>parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded
>and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You
>creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets
>tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers, and limos be turned
>over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York
>
>A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are
>likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to
>try not pissing us off for a change.
>
>Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt
>government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple of
>extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I'm going
>to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.
>
>
>Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty -
>starting now. We are tired of the one-way highway.
>
>It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens.
>Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "Darn
>tootin."
>
>Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the
>world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on
>the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to
>eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup
>Soccer from America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks
>guys. We owe you and we won't forget.
>
>To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop dead.
>
>God bless America. Thank you and good night.
Re: Parents protest school mandate that students wear radio ID tags
Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again. :)
Seriously speaking now, do you have a point? Are you for or against this?
Parents protest school mandate that students wear radio ID tags
LISA LEFF
Associated Press
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/breaking_news/10858606.htm?1c
SUTTER, Calif. - The only grade school in this rural town is requiring students to wear radio frequency identification badges that can track their every move. Some parents are outraged, fearing it will rob their children of privacy.
The badges introduced at Brittan Elementary School on Jan. 18 rely on the same radio frequency and scanner technology that companies use to track livestock and product inventory.
While similar devices are being tested at several schools in Japan so parents can know when their children arrive and leave school, the makers of these badges say they don't know of any other American school district to have embraced such a monitoring system.
Civil libertarians hope to keep it that way.
"If this school doesn't stand up, then other schools might adopt it," Nicole Ozer, a representative of the American Civil Liberties Union, warned school board members at a meeting Tuesday night. "You might be a small community, but you are one of the first communities to use this technology."
The system was imposed, without parental input, by the school as a way to simplify attendance-taking and potentially reduce vandalism and improve student safety. Principal Earnie Graham hopes to eventually add bar codes to the existing ID's so that students can use them to pay for cafeteria meals and check out library books.
But some parents see a system that can monitor their children's movements on campus as something straight out of Orwell.
"There is a way to make kids safer without making them feel like a piece of inventory," said Michael Cantrall, one of several angry parents who complained. "Are we trying to bring them up with respect and trust, or tell them that you can't trust anyone, you are always going to be monitored and someone is always going to be watching you?"
Cantrall said he told his children, in the 5th and 7th grades, not to wear the badges. He also filed a protest letter with the board and alerted the ACLU.
Graham, who also serves as the superintendent of the single-school district, told the parents that their children could be disciplined for boycotting the badges - and that he doesn't understand what all their angst is about.
"Sometimes when you are on the cutting edge, you get caught," Graham said, recounting the angry phone calls and notes he has received from parents.
Each student is required to wear identification cards around their necks with their picture, name and grade and a wireless transmitter that beams their ID number to a teacher's handheld computer when the child passes under an antenna posted above a classroom door.
Graham also asked to have a chip reader installed in locker room bathrooms to reduce vandalism, although that reader is not functional yet. And while he has ordered everyone on campus to wear the badges, he said only the 7th and 8th grade classrooms are being monitored thus far.
In addition to the privacy concerns, parents are worried that the information on and inside the badges could wind up in the wrong hands and endanger their children, and that radio frequency technology might carry health risks.
Graham dismisses each objection, arguing that the devices do not emit any cancer-causing radioactivity, and that for now, they merely confirm that each child is in his or her classroom, rather than track them around the school like a global-positioning device.
The 15-digit ID number that confirms attendance is encrypted, he said, and not linked to other personal information such as an address or telephone number.
What's more, he says that it is within his power to set rules that promote a positive school environment: If he thinks ID badges will improve things, he says, then badges there will be.
"You know what it comes down to? I believe junior high students want to be stylish. This is not stylish," he said.
This latest adaptation of radio frequency ID technology was developed by InCom Corp., a local company co-founded by the parent of a former Brittan student, and some parents are suspicious about the financial relationship between the school and the company. InCom plans to promote it at a national convention of school administrators next month.
InCom has paid the school several thousand dollars for agreeing to the experiment, and has promised a royalty from each sale if the system takes off, said the company's co-founder, Michael Dobson, who works as a technology specialist in the town's high school. Brittan's technology aide also works part-time for InCom.
Not everyone in this close-knit farming town northwest of Sacramento is against the system. Some said they welcomed the IDs as a security measure.
"This is not Mayberry. This is Sutter, California. Bad things can happen here," said Tim Crabtree, an area parent.
School board members listened to the comments, but did not discuss in public whether they would make any changes. Another meeting on the subject has been scheduled for Feb. 15.
Graham says the criticism hasn't soured him.
"I like technological stuff," he said. "It's a tool to do our job better, no different than a textbook."
ON THE NET
Brittan Elementary School: http://www.brittan.k12.ca.us
InCom Corp.: http://www.incomcorporation.com
ACLU: http://www.alcu.org
Oh, I don't know. At least I'm only a couple of weeks behind you.
Seriously, I've been thinking of updating the Alpha Bitch Posse Saga, so keep checking in from time to time.
quasi/Jeeze, doesn't ANYBODY come here anymore?
I guess not. Yet, I shall return.
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I guess not, either - especially since you posted this in September, and I'm responding to it in November !!
I thought I'd checkin on on the old boards, just to see what's going on/
Guess I didn't miss much.
Jeeze, doesn't ANYBODY come here anymore?
I guess not. Yet, I shall return.
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Yo, Memers!
Dang, girl! I was beginning to think that I was the only member of the old Crew who still even bothered to check this place out daily!
But what she says is true, Welles. Keep coming back here and post whatever you want to say.
Re: Wes
Gees is there not a true free zone left on these boards where one can post honestly rather than always the BS hyprocrisy of be polite---if there is let me know.
You've come to the right place. Knock yourself out.
This board has seen better (busier) days, but if you've got something to say you might be surprised to see who wakes up here to respond.
Meme
I'm just posting to defend the honor of the board!
And because...
I went to an all white all aristocratic Mainline Private School on a scholarship because i was a JOCK that had a brain.
It was there during my years there that i learned EVERYTHING about the UpperClass and all its' awfulness.
<and respond as politely as is possible to counter-arguments that may arise in opposition to your stated world-view.>
Gees is there not a true free zone left on these boards where one can post honestly rather than always the BS hyprocrisy of be polite---if there is let me know.
There is a Lion in the Grass
Waiting Waiting
There is a Lion in the Grass
Waiting Waiting
And just beside him too, a Lamb
Waiting Waiting
CALM BEFORE THE STORM
WL
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1185305,00.html
UK firm tried HIV drug on orphans
GlaxoSmithKline embroiled in scandal in which babies and children were allegedly used as 'laboratory animals'
Antony Barnett in New York
Sunday April 4, 2004
The Observer
Orphans and babies as young as three months old have been used as guinea pigs in potentially dangerous medical experiments sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, an Observer investigation has revealed.
British drug giant GlaxoSmithKline is embroiled in the scandal. The firm sponsored experiments on the children from Incarnation Children's Centre, a New York care home that specialises in treating HIV sufferers and is run by Catholic charities.
The children had either been infected with HIV or born to HIV-positive mothers. Their parents were dead, untraceable or deemed unfit to look after them.
According to documents obtained by The Observer, Glaxo has sponsored at least four medical trials since 1995 using Hispanic and black children at Incarnation. The documents give details of all clinical trials in the US and reveal the experiments sponsored by Glaxo were designed to test the 'safety and tolerance' of Aids medications, some of which have potentially dangerous side effects. Glaxo manufactures a number of drugs designed to treat HIV, including AZT.
Normally trials on children would require parental consent but, as the infants are in care, New York's authorities hold that role.
The city health department has launched an investigation into claims that more than 100 children at Incarnation were used in 36 experiments - at least four co-sponsored by Glaxo. Some of these trials were designed to test the 'toxicity' of Aids medications. One involved giving children as young as four a high-dosage cocktail of seven drugs at one time. Another looked at the reaction in six-month-old babies to a double dose of measles vaccine.
Most experiments were funded by federal agencies like the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Until now Glaxo's role had not emerged.
In 1997 an experiment co-sponsored by Glaxo used children from Incarnation to 'obtain tolerance, safety and pharmacokinetic' data for Herpes drugs. In a more recent experiment, the children were used to test AZT. A third experiment sponsored by Glaxo and US drug firm Pfizer investigated the 'long-term safety' of anti-bacterial drugs on three-month-old babies.
The medical establishment has defended the trials arguing they enabled these children to obtain state-of-the-art therapy they would otherwise not have received for potentially fatal illnesses.
However, health campaigners argue there is a difference between providing the latest drugs and experimentation. They claim many of the experiments were 'phase 1 trials' - among the most risky - and that HIV tests for babies were not a reliable indicator of actual infection and therefore toxic drugs could have been given to healthy infants. HIV drugs are similar to those used in chemotherapy and can have serious side-effects.
Vera Sharav, president of the Alliance for Human Research Protection, said the children had been treated like 'laboratory animals'.
'These are some of the most vulnerable individuals in the country and there appears to be a policy of giving drug firms access to them,' she said. 'Throughout the history of medical research we have seen prisoners abused, the mentally ill abused and now poor kids in a care home.'
Sharav has urged the US Food and Drug Administration to investigate and has demanded full disclosure of all adverse effects suffered by the children, including deaths. Brooklyn Democrat councillor Bill de Blasio is also demanding that New York's Administration for Children's Services, which approved the trials, reveal who gave consent and on what grounds.
Glaxo has confirmed it provided funds for some of the experiments but denied any improper action. A spokeswoman said: 'These studies were implemented by the US Aids Clinical Trial Group, a clinical research network paid for by the National Institutes of Health. Glaxo's involvement in such studies would have been to provide study drugs or funding but we would have no interactions with the patients.
'Generally speaking, clinical research is carefully regulated in the US and it would be the responsibility of the appropriate authorities to ensure all subjects in a clinical trial provided appropriate, informed consent to conform with all local laws and regulations regarding legal authority in the case of minors.'
The Incarnation trials were run by Columbia University Medical Centre doctors. Columbia spokeswoman Annie Bayne said there had been no clinical trials at Incarnation since 2000 and that consent for the children was provided by the Administration for Children's Services, which uses a panel of doctors and lawyers to determine whether the benefits of a trial for each child outweighs the risks. 'There are many safeguards in the system. HIV is eventually a fatal disease, but drug therapy has lengthened life significantly,' said Bayne.
A spokesman for Incarnation said: 'The purpose of the trials was to test the efficacy of HIV medication ... These trials were based on scientific evidence of their potential value in the treatment of HIV-infected children.'
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I think it's about damn time SOMEBODY posted to this board!
Sometime soon, once a few items of personal business are attended to, I'm planning to post another episode of the adventures of ... well, those of you who know, will know that of which I speak.
Megs...
I'm good, been a bit busy with school and whatnot. It would be nice to say I'm out of school, but I transfered one time too many, so I'll be in school til Dec. '04 But to be honest, I am enjoying schol, parties, minimal responsibility, and kick ass free sporting events so don't pity me. I am uber excited, I am finally getting my digital camera this week so ya!
Good for you. Avoid the "real life" for as long as you can. Have fun and enjoy things now. Are you still in photography?
Sorry this took so long to reply, How's married life?
Don't worry. I don't check in here too often.
Married life is great - Mr S has had some medical problems, but everything is fine. I know this sounds trite, but my life is so much better with him in it.
can not think of a single example of a society that educated, or attempted to educate everyone, where there were strictly private schools.
Any Orthodox Jewish community is a perfect example of such a society. Every child is educated in a private school, and tuition for poor children is paid for through private donations. I myself was able to go to a Jewish private school through such philanthropy.
Essentially if one were to privatize the education of everyone, someone would still have to pay for the education of those who could not afford the tuition.
Correct. So even if you believe that private charity is not enough to pay for children's education, that is not by itself enough of a reason to support public schools. We could simply use taxes to pay for need-based scholarships instead of public schools.
"Contracting out government functions is not quite the same as privatizing. "
I can understand that point. I just don't think these things work. Public education is very important. I can not think of a single example of a society that educated, or attempted to educate everyone, where there were strictly private schools. Essentially if one were to privatize the education of everyone, someone would still have to pay for the education of those who could not afford the tuition.
"If they can do it more efficiently than the government can do it itself, so what?"
That is a big if. Cost effective accounting in prisons could be very interesting. I used to know a guy in that business. I don't mind a little competition, I just think having your prison system run by another country might not be a great idea.
I agree about the war on drugs. Conservative governments tend to grow almost exponentially.
Sassy
I'm good, been a bit busy with school and whatnot. It would be nice to say I'm out of school, but I transfered one time too many, so I'll be in school til Dec. '04 But to be honest, I am enjoying schol, parties, minimal responsibility, and kick ass free sporting events so don't pity me. I am uber excited, I am finally getting my digital camera this week so ya!
Sorry this took so long to reply, How's married life?
~Megs
A few points here:
Contracting out government functions is not quite the same as privatizing. Take the case of charter schools. Charter schools are simply public schools run by private corporations. They do not have to compete in the market like real private schools do.
Second, what exactly is the problem with government contracting of prison services? If they can do it more efficiently than the government can do it itself, so what?
Third, the main reason why the prison industry is so large is because of the insane war on drugs. End that and the number of criminals is drastically reduced.
Well it has been a while since I thought about this. I understand your point but I don't really agree. I think the nature of the beast is such that it can not be localized. That being said I do think it needs to be returned to local control.
" With 2.2 million people engaged in catching criminals and putting and keeping them behind bars, "corrections" has become one of the largest sectors of the U.S. economy, employing more people than the combined workforces of General Motors, Ford and Wal-Mart, the three biggest corporate employers in the country. Correctional officers have developed powerful labor unions. And most politicians, whether at the local, state or national level, remain acutely aware that allowing themselves to be portrayed as "soft on crime" is the quickest route to electoral defeat. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43362-2004Jan23.html
More and more the Wackenhut Corrections Corp. is playing a larger and larger roll in this country. This is not even an American corporation. I see this as the by-product of deregulation. Getting the government out of the functions of government. The Cato Institute and the rest of the Libertarian movement are at least partially to blame for this.
While it might be nice to think that privatizing certain functions of government would be good, all I see is that it leads to more corporate profiteering. Halburton becomes the Army Corps of Engineers and buys Kuwait oil at extravagant prices while their employees take bribes. Nothing is gained in this except the graft and fraud now lie further from the governments control.
I'm not familiar enough with Iceland to argue the point.
I assume however that the real objection is to taxes, which really become a kind of payment for protection.
Not just to taxes. It's the lack of choice. Sure, as you said, most people are going to need protection. But that doesn't mean that one organization can claim a monopoly on force and forbid any other protection organizations from competing. Just because most of us need to purchase food doesn't mean Kroger can come along and force us to buy from them, and not from Publix.
And the thing is, if it was just protection, then people like me probably wouldn't complain all that much. But it's not just protection. It inevitably turns into a vast regulatory regime, paternalistic mandates like Social Security and the War on Drugs, not to mention all of the other countless tax dollars wasted on pork each year, as embodied in the present day welfare state. None of this could conceivably be justified under the argument that we would have to purchase these services for ourselves anyway.
Like it or not you need laws.
You certainly do. But laws are not the same thing as government. The two are independent of each other.
I read that and it doesn't even sound like he is very convinced of his argument. As a social model I see that society as analogous to the blood libal that is carried out in much of the middle east. You are wronged and therefore you have the obligation to kill in return. You take an eye for an eye and hope that at some point in time people will learn that they are better off with two eyes. The 'hand' of justice becomes merely the guy with the biggest hand.
I would argue, just for the hell of it, that that society, the Scandinavian, is preparing the way for Feudalism. What you have even in Iceland are areas of control by what is essentially an overlord. The main character, in Najls Saga goes to Serve under King Harold and then serves in his navy. I remember reading somewhere in Buckmister Fuller that he thought the Viking Raiders were really the paradigm for all society since that time. Rob and Plunder demand people pay you to protect them and in the end just declare yourself in charge. Everything from the Normans to Enron.
This is true also of Middle Eastern Culture and once Mohammed pulled it together became the basis of the Islamic culture in the early middle ages.
I assume however that the real objection is to taxes, which really become a kind of payment for protection. If you pay them we will protect you, if you don't we will get you. The problem as I would frame it is that you are going to need the protection so who are you going to pay it to. Sure you can live in the middle of nowhere, buy a gun and live off subsistence, you can do that right now if you want, but you can't do that in NYC. Private armies in cities are better known as extortion rings. They just don't work.
Hell if I apply General Powell's recent logic in the middle east I could go right now and kill my neighbor and declare that I did so because I thought he intended some time in the future to harm me. Like it or not you need laws.
Re: Iceland
I have not read Njal's Saga; I am only familiar with the Iceland as a historical example of non-statist law enforcement after reading some of David Friedman's work. Here is one of the academic papers he has written on the subject: http://daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Iceland/Iceland.html
Aren't you the one who argued against seeing only one movie in the downloading music debate a few whiles back?
I argued against strong intellectual property rights, yes.
After that Hrut rode from home west to the Firths, got in all his money, and laid it out anew, and rode home again. When he came home he busked him to ride to the Thing, and made all his neighbours ride with him. His brother Hauskuld rode among the rest. Then Hrut said to his wife, "If thou hast as much mind now to go to the Thing as thou saidst a while ago, busk thyself and ride along with me."
She was not slow in getting herself ready, and then they all rode to the Thing. Unna went to her father's booth, and he gave her a hearty welcome, but she seemed somewhat heavy-hearted, and when he saw that he said to her, "I have seen thee with a merrier face. Hast thou anything on thy mind?"
She began to weep, and answered nothing. Then he said to her again. "Why didst thou ride to the Thing, if thou wilt not tell me thy secret? Dost thou dislike living away there in the west?"
Then she answered him, "I would give all I own in the world that I had never gone thither."
http://www.northvegr.org/lore/njal/index.php
You're welcome, Meme. Better late than never.
Wow, someone else who's read Njal's Saga!
Of course, I haven't read it since freshman English -- but what I remember of it was that it was the equivalent of a modern-day soap opera, with a wife who wasn't satisfied with her hubby's 'output' -- and legal maneuvering that looked right out of "The Practice".
Geeze, where do the years go? Oh, yeah -- there.
Good argument. I don't agree with it but it is interesting. Ever read Njal's Saga? http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/Njal/1part.html. I think your ideas about Iceland are a bit unfounded.
Aren't you the one who argued against seeing only one movie in the downloading music debate a few whiles back?
MEGALYNN
Where the hell have you been, woman? Haven't seen you anywhere.
How are things going for you? Are you done with school yet?
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MEME!!!
Well now, don't I feel like an ass with this perfectly lovely greeting hanging out here in space unacknowledged.
A belated thanks, Quasi.
We surely seem to have abandoned this board. It's too bad they tightened up on the grandfather requirements and all. I always liked the format here.
I sometimes feel like a traveler on the road of BB's. I've been here, there and everywhere it seems.
Meme
December Post
Happy Holidays, I made cookies tonight, enjoy
Another Sunday happy hour, and no posts since my last one, way back in October. They're discussing dogs on the Iraq board, so I thought I'd say hello here, instead. Hope everyone is well. This will be my November ihub post. Cheers!
skep
wouldn't really say this board's deserted, just sort of on hiatus. Didn't you get in in time to be grandfathered? Darn.
But -- doesn't the system allow you up to fifteen posts a day, even on the freebie? That's more than most of us posted a day, anyway.
Enjoy your happy hour.
QJ
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Hello, QJ and all. Here it is another happy hour. So this will be my October post. In answer to your question, Quasi, the system no longer allows posts by non-premium members except during happy hour. But happy hour is capricious. Some Sundays it isn't on at all. I hope someday they'll allow the plebians to post once again. Until the next happy hour... ciao.
Re: On The Free Zone Board, no one hears you scream.
ROTFL - Uh, you caught that, huh?
Meme
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Is it safe in here? :)
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Reasonably, Rogue, although there have been prying eyes in the past. Maybe this board has been dead long enough now to have bored them into forgetfulness. <G>
Meme
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