Replies to post #235429 on Wave Systems Corp. (fka WAVXQ)

[aleajactaest]

Other than where the federal government demands it, it's probably the usual, proprietorial (ie non-standards-based) deal.

So Verizon experiments with NSTIC, which it would.

But short of a mandate it builds its own infrastructure.

Mandate issues would be dealt with by the carriers' political arm.

[barge]

Hi Alea---You've ALWAYS missed the main point of that article.
You NEVER quote this part, where in fact Apple did wrestle away power from a carrier.

http://www.darkreading.com/mobile/why-a-hardware-root-of-trust-matters-for/240161739


"As a carrier, AT&T controlled the iPhone with absolute power. They could shut it off at will, terminate service, and change the OS," Sprague says. "The brilliant maneuver by Apple was to take control of the initial hardware root of identity of the subscriber."
Nowadays, the only way to get full use out of the iPad is through that connection with iTunes, with Apple having ultimate control over the device and the ability to shut down its functionality remotely.
"The reason why a standards-based, independent hardware root of trust is important is that it allows someone else to take control of the device before the carrier," he says. "If you look at almost every use case and application out there, this is the fundamental capability that's being requested, even if it is being requested in a language that is not as clear as that."

Therefore, Apple, as revealed in the very same article, was able to bypass the carrier (AT&T) by controlling the "initial hardware root of identity of the subscriber."

Every company with the resources could do exactly as Apple does and control their own ecosystem. The fundamental idea of the TCG is a Federated approach whereby each company controls their own trust domain, while at the same time are interoperable with ALL domains that belong to the TCG World Wide Standard.

You are taking literally what Sprague meant facetiously: Unless you have a standard's body like TCG the only possible way to get around having every trust domain being their own fiefdom (eg Apple)is world wide government intervention require nation-states to engage the the muscle of some international government body (his use of US Federal Space, is more facetiousness).

[aleajactaest]

rot, apparently you think ss is referring to the past when talking about the issue with vendors.

"The only way we can wrestle control back from Verizon is through a requirement placed on the environment by a player strong enough to do that," he says. "The only player -- emphasis on the word 'only' -- is the U.S. federal space."

odd use of tenses, eh!

surely we both know you are trying to preserve your theory at the expense of reflecting ss' commentary. let the facts conform to the theory! make sure the dreamer's dream remains intact.

the obvious interpretation of ss' actual words is that he sees carriers controlling the TPM at source and hopes, in the future, to recover control from them. but his only hope is that the federal government demands it.

me too. except there's no real hope for consumers. only large enterprises may have a chance.

it isn't trusted computing when the carrier or the vendor controls the chip and the device. it's a monster that offers no freedom and no privacy.