Holy cow, very important discussion, Ren. I would have missed that totally. IMO, Sandy Allsopp's Helikites are the only credible/strong competition to BiB and they have launch problems for which we may be the best solution. If they have legal problems in Florida, that adds to our competitive advantage as well IMO. I like Sandy a lot so I am going to add "team" to my "subvert, drive under, acquire" paradigm. It is now "team, subvert, drive under, or acquire" all competition in the tactical LTA market. Great observation, looking forward to Orlando. High regards, IndyJonesOhio