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McBisco

10/15/10 6:20 PM

#8124 RE: tripn #8121

The Feds threatened the same thing when states started allowing the cultivation, distribution, and consumption for medicinal uses. Since then 13 other states and Washington DC have passed similar legislation. Have the Feds done anything to prevent that? NO.

Marijuana is still listed by the DEA as a schedule 1 drug which is described as; "a drug or other substance that has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." Furthermore, it is also stated by the DEA that no prescriptions of schedule 1 drugs may be filled.

Unfortunately what we are witnessing is the DEA trying to use scare tactics because they know that they are up against a wall. Jobs will be lost from Prop 19 passing. It is another example of the drug propaganda that they have been feeding this country for decades. They are embarrassed that they are about to be defeated by a bunch of pot smoking hippies.

On a side note, CA would riot if Prop 19 passed and the Feds came in and started arresting everyone. It is not possible for them to follow through with these claims.

Prop 19 stands an amazing chance to pass this November, even more so now that the DEA is challenging the voters. Fuel to the fire in my eyes.

Here is NORML's response to the FEDS statement today:

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm
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neophyte184

10/15/10 8:12 PM

#8130 RE: tripn #8121

Here are the parts I like that negate this fool's assertion that he is going to enforce the federal law:



"If California prevents police from enforcing the stricter federal ban on marijuana, the Supreme Court has ruled that the federal government cannot order local law enforcement to act, he said.

It "is a very tough-sounding statement that the attorney general has issued, but it's more bark than bite," Mikos said."

"The same factors that limited the federal government's influence over medical marijuana would probably have an even bigger influence over its impact on recreational marijuana," Mikos said, citing not enough agents to focus on small-time violators.



Bottom line, this is going to happen, and despite some involvement by the feds to put a damper on the use of recreational weed, they will prevail in the same way that MMJ participants have prevailed and thrived (as the article describes)since the feds eased their federal stance on MMJ.

I see this article as Holder posturing (towards those who plan to vote the law in) and pandering to his consituents, as he is expected to do, but in the end.....his influence will be all but nill.

Thank you for supplying this article tripn! Keep up the great work.

Neo

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neophyte184

10/15/10 9:45 PM

#8132 RE: tripn #8121

Piggy backing off your excellent DD is something I found. check it out, very enlightening....



Prop 19 and Constitutional Law for Dummies (and DEA Administrators)
by Dan Riffle
October 13, 2010

There’s been a great deal of chatter recently about what the federal government can or will do if Californians wisely pass Proposition 19 in a few weeks (read up here and here for example). President Obama has several choices, but the one I want address here is the one recently urged by nine former DEA heads (pdf): for the feds to sue California in an attempt to declare the law null and void under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution because it violates the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). I have yet to see a more than perfunctory analysis of such a scenario, so I thought I’d post a little introductory Constitutional Law lesson for our curious readers.

Article VI, Section 1, clause 2 of the Constitution says “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof … shall be the supreme Law of the Land; … Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” In short, if state law conflicts with a constitutionally valid federal law, the state law is void. Now for starters, not even Supreme Court justices will agree on what the CSA can constitutionally prohibit. At least one justice will tell you a law prohibiting the intrastate cultivation and consumption of marijuana (at least for medical use) isn’t constitutional in the first place. But since a majority on the Court has already said Congress has authority to regulate even intrastate marijuana cultivation, does that mean Prop 19 would be void? Hardly.
The legal term for this analysis is “preemption” – does federal law preempt state law? There are two ways this can happen, express or implied. Express preemption is when federal law expressly says that it preempts state law (example) – the CSA does not. The second is implied preemption, and there are multiple versions of implied preemption. First is when federal laws and regulations are so comprehensive that they intend to “occupy the field” and leave no room for the states to regulate. The second is when there is a direct conflict between state and federal law, so that one law forbids something the other requires, or visa versa. Fortunately, section 903 of the CSA speaks directly to this question:

No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as indicating an intent on the part of the Congress to occupy the field in which that provision operates, including criminal penalties, to the exclusion of any State law on the same subject matter which would otherwise be within the authority of the State, unless there is a positive conflict between that provision of this subchapter and that State law so that the two cannot consistently stand together.

As you can see, the CSA itself says explicitly that it doesn’t “occupy the field.” That’s why in addition to federal laws on marijuana possession, every state in the country has its own laws, most of which differ from one another and federal law. So the question is whether there’s a “positive conflict” between federal law and Prop 19 — does the proposition require something that the CSA forbids? Late night punchlines notwithstanding, smoking marijuana will not be mandatory in California if Prop 19 passes. And Prop 19 doesn’t forbid anything the CSA requires.

There’s one final wrinkle though. A state law can conflict with federal law if it creates an obstacle to accomplishing the goals behind federal law. There’s some question as to whether this form of preemption even applies since one could argue the language of section 903 limits the analysis to direct, positive conflicts (and at least one court agrees with this interpretation). But let’s assume for argument’s sake that it does apply. Some will argue that a state making marijuana legal under its own laws frustrates Congress’ intent to control (by prohibiting) marijuana possession and use. Does that mean California has to keep marijuana illegal? No. A separate line of cases says the feds cannot “commandeer” state governments by telling them what they can and cannot do. In other words, the federal government cannot force California to keep marijuana illegal under state law or enforce federal law.

So what does all this mean? Without question, California can simply remove its criminal laws concerning the possession, cultivation, and use of marijuana, which Prop 19 would do. Then, cities and the state would be free to decide whether to tax and regulate marijuana distribution. Whether and how states or municipalities can enact regulations concerning sales and use of marijuana is another question, but the court decisions on similar issues are encouraging. Decisions in two California cases have found that federal law doesn’t prevent cities and counties from licensing medical marijuana dispensaries and that federal law doesn’t preempt the issuance of patients’ and caregivers’ ID cards. But suffice it to say, anyone claiming Prop 19 will just be void anyway because it conflicts with federal law is, at best, grossly oversimplifying matters. More likely, they’re just flat out wrong, and running scared now that it’s becoming clear what a failure marijuana prohibition has been.

The bottom line is this: California voters have a very real opportunity on November 2 to finally start unwinding marijuana prohibition, and nothing in the Constitution says otherwise.

(Thanks to Karen O’Keefe, MPP’s director of state policies, for her assistance.)



What I read out of all of this is that when (not if) Prop 19 passes, there may be a legal battle that ensues which could hold things up for a while...but it will only delay the inevitable....which is the passage and enactment of Prop 19.