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longhaulq

08/26/10 9:18 AM

#232925 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

William very good post. Makes good sense of what may be happening in the very near future.

byrddog

08/26/10 9:22 AM

#232926 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

Excellent post William! Spot on with your evaluation. EOM

Byrd

W3Research

08/26/10 9:25 AM

#232927 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

WAMUQ: william48, Very Interesting Post ...

I've wondered myself for the past two years
when we would get to the Assets etc?

xoom

08/26/10 9:35 AM

#232928 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

Excellent Post...

steel58

08/26/10 9:41 AM

#232929 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

William48 __ Great Post! One question: If these valuations are not found by September 7, in your opinion, do you think examiner will ask for more time, pushing evrything for confirmation well beyond November 1, or will depostions keep it on schedule, with examiner just filing reports later than October 1 or 7, or whatever date he was supposed to be done?

speculator777

08/26/10 9:51 AM

#232932 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

I have owned commons and preferred for quite some time. William you write well, and have a logical point of view but I disagree with your belief that JPM is now feeling pressure.

Point 1 with your post- So what if 1 bil gets moved from liabilities. JPM will concede 1 bil. Think of how many months it took to get to this point, I wonder how many Billions they have made in interest off of WAMU's assets in the mean time. Time is to JPM's advantage right now.

Point 3 with your post- DS/POR goes away. We already know it will due to no valuations. This will seem like big news to the media. But those who have done dd will not be shocked nor will our adversaries.

Point 2 and 4- JPM is supposed to be scared of depositions? Please! Games can be played with depositions just like not finding valuation documents. Remember Iran Conta and how effective Ronald Reagan's words of "I can't remember" were.(Not starting a political issue or an honesty issue, just making a point that depositions won't corner anyone, just like "not testing the courts patence" has not been effective.

gold-nugget

08/26/10 9:55 AM

#232934 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

William - this is why I want THJW to put the estate under supervison of a court appointed TRUSTEE and out of Rosiebuttcheecks and our current beloved BOD hands... they are milking the estate with FRIVOLOUS FEES and charges!!!!

Im want a TRUSTEE not a shareholder meeting - due I blve now that TPG and the top shareholders have control and have enough votes to keep the JPM Influenced BOD intact -- I blve We dont have enough shares to control the company!!! thats why I want a court appointed TRUSTEE!!!!

Here is a thought and do some DD --

Name the top shareholders who have over 50.1% of the shares? and you will see that these fellows are JPM-Lovers!!! FACT not fiction!!!






Gmenfan

08/26/10 9:57 AM

#232935 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

Very well written and thought provocative post. I'm impressed.

xptohg

08/26/10 10:05 AM

#232937 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

THINKS GOT BETTER FOR US. Great post William, thanks.

DudeBug

08/26/10 10:10 AM

#232939 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

“Find it or face a deposition” on October 1st.


Find it = Rock . . . or face a deposition = Hard Spot


Sounds like the Judge seized the opportunity to make a master chess move when JPM legal left themselves wide open with the "can't find the valuation" remark.

As you stated, William, JPM backed themselves into a bad place on the chess board ... do they have any play left with the TPS on one side and the Examiner on the other.

Thanks for your insightful analysis of this situation.

It is very important because getting TPS rightfully linked to their assets & their value and off the WMI column moves more value into Preferreds and possibly to commons if WMI can retain all or most of the tax returns. Bit by bit equity gets to take over the company again and toss out the thieves!



dimonvise

08/26/10 10:18 AM

#232943 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

I believe the comment from Rosen about the plan turning to vapor was in relation to the WMB bondholders agreeing, not TPS.

Nice post.

thedeac

08/26/10 10:46 AM

#232960 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

A very thought-provoking post. Your logic is impeccable. I really enjoy reading you, Fsshon, and others on this forum. I wish us all the best.

Thedeac

clawmann

08/26/10 11:47 AM

#232969 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

william48: thanks for that post. You are one of a small number of posters whose posts I actually read.

BTW: I also had highlighted the "coattails" statement by the judge as being of great significance.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53695658

fsshon

08/26/10 12:38 PM

#232975 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

Oh what a tangled web they weave William, Excellent Post. I sat down yesterday and spent over and hour and half transcribing the 5 minute exchange complete with conspiracy theories. I accidentally clicked my back button on my browser twice and when I finally got back to the reply box, the entire thing was gone.

I was absolutely pissed off and just turned everything off and walked away. I think this happened for a reason, it prompted you to write this post. This is an excellent analysis and I believe it is spot on..

THJMW is not going to let this go down in her courtroom as an injustice/misuse/exploitation of the BK justice system, she is very aware of the implications to not only here career, but a NY law Firm walking into a Delaware courtroom and trying to gift the shell of a company to the company that created their demise. The exchange between her and the JPM lawyer is a classic, it tells a lot about how she feels about this case and its outcome. She is crossing the T's and dotting the I's and running all text through spell check, heck I expect she is also going to be using a dictionary to make sure the spelling is correct and the grammar is being used in the right context. Before allowing the final report to be submitted to the professor.

JPM lawyer admitting they can not find, nor do they have the valuations for the assets that were supposedly transferred to JPM as part of a conditional exchange that never took place, speaks volumes to the whole criminal conspiracy of this case. They have the documentation, they just do not want to produce it because it will prove TPS's argument and they know they will lose. How can JPM expect other investors to purchase securities in theirs and others banks, if on a whim the FDIC can just nullify the investment and allow the transfer of the underlying assets (collateral) to a company that never should have had one little interest in those securities.

THJMW is most likely going to rule in favor of TPS and order one of 2 things. JPM or WMI to pay TPS their money (4 Bil) or transfer the underlying assets to WMI to be administered by them, because a conditional exchange never took place and back interest is owed to the owners of the trusts to satisfy the debt.

When I get some time later on today, I will transcribe the exchange once again, because I think the Board needs to read it and understand the implications of such an outlandish claim by JPM. The silence from Weil proves the COI. The coattails of TPS will not be ridden by Weil, but surely the EC will attach themselves to them.

That is where and how we stand in the biggest BK fraud in history and prosecution of the crimes should be coming to a head soon. I am sure the examiner will tell THJMW that he will not be able to complete his work on time, because of the stall/delay tactics that have been so apparent in this case. His recommendation for a Case Trustee will have a far-reaching effect on all the players...

~Fish~

SlyOne

08/26/10 1:11 PM

#232978 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

Sir William:

Try this:

If TPS is not prfd and cancelled, then there is "extra" that F'DIC and JPig needs to account for in PA for WMB. I beleive its was criminal that WMB-sub debt was cancelled, not a common occurence.

But nevertheless, If the TPS wins, which I think they will be remove from Pfrd class to debt class, not senior.

The "extra" would throw off the PA. And, closing would have to account for "extra"---litigation clause---ooops.

FDIC and Jpig would reject POS POR.

Whose worse off FDIC or JPM, I think JPig.

TPS asset list, again SC, jpig lawyers are parsing the english language. Did they ever ask JPig for details assets securizited into TPS? If didnt ask, they dont have. Legally correct statement. Recall, EC discover of JPig, same situation. WEIL stopped because SC cleverly stated the answer.


abiabi

08/28/10 9:43 AM

#233365 RE: FORTY-8 #232923

Very good post - congrats.

May you please tell us where did you find the statement in your post:

JPM CANNOT SUBJECT ITSELF TO SUCH A DEPOSITION. IT MUST SETTLE THE MATTER PRIOR TO OCTOBER 1ST.

ant why October 1st?

Thanks