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Atom0aks

09/16/19 3:36 PM

#214628 RE: Whalatane #214625

Can anyone link specific responses to his concerns
1) Increase in A Fib ...from what I remember there was no increase in strokes
2) Mineral oil ....does anyone remember the specific Dr Bhatt or AMRN response to that .
3) FDA wanting more than 1 trial



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Adverse events (AE) occurring in ≥5% of VASCEPA patients and statistically more frequently with VASCEPA than placebo:
Peripheral edema (6.5% VASCEPA patients versus 5.0% placebo patients)
There was no significant difference in the prespecified adjudicated tertiary endpoints of new congestive heart failure which occurred in 4.1% of VASCEPA patients versus 4.3% of placebo patients, or in new heart failure requiring hospitalization, which occurred in 3.4% of VASCEPA and 3.5% of placebo patients.
Constipation (5.4% VASCEPA patients versus 3.6% placebo patients)
Atrial fibrillation (5.3% VASCEPA patients versus 3.9% placebo patients)
This adverse event (AE) finding is consistent with an increase in the prespecified adjudicated tertiary endpoint of atrial fibrillation or flutter requiring hospitalization, which occurred in 3.1% of VASCEPA patients versus 2.1% of placebo patients (p=0.004).
A limitation of the REDUCE-IT cardiovascular outcomes trial is that it was not designed to evaluate whether VASCEPA contributed to an increase in atrial fibrillation or flutter, or whether VASCEPA prevented patients who would have otherwise have had atrial fibrillation or flutter from having another major adverse cardiovascular event such as cardiac arrest or sudden cardiac death.
Importantly, there was no increase in stroke, the most serious atrial fibrillation-related complication, but rather a statistically significant 28% reduction with VASCEPA versus placebo (p=0.01). Significant and substantial reductions were also observed in the secondary and tertiary endpoints of myocardial infarction (31%), cardiac arrest (48%), and sudden cardiac death (31%) with VASCEPA versus placebo.
Among patients with atrial fibrillation/flutter hospitalization endpoints while in REDUCE-IT, rates were similar for stroke (3.1% with VASCEPA versus 7.1% with placebo; p=0.20), new anticoagulant therapy (64.6% with VASCEPA versus 63.1% with placebo; p=0.88), and serious bleeding (8.7% with VASCEPA versus 6.0% with placebo; p=0.60).
In 751 patients with a baseline history of atrial fibrillation/flutter, atrial fibrillation/flutter hospitalization rates were 12.5% (46/368) with VASCEPA versus 6.3% (24/383) with placebo (p=0.007).
In 7,428 patients without baseline history of atrial fibrillation/flutter, atrial fibrillation/flutter hospitalization rates were 2.2% with VASCEPA versus 1.6% with placebo (p=0.09).

Other adverse events (AE) of interest:
The rate of treatment-emergent serious adverse events for bleeding was 2.7% in the VASCEPA group versus 2.1% in the placebo group, with a nonsignificant, but trending p-value of 0.06.
There was:
No significant increase in adjudicated hemorrhagic stroke (0.3% in VASCEPA patients versus 0.2% in placebo patients; p=0.55),
No significant increase in serious central nervous system bleeding (0.3% in VASCEPA patients versus 0.2% in placebo patients; p=0.42), and
No significant increase in gastrointestinal bleeding (1.5% in VASCEPA patients versus 1.1% in placebo patients; p=0.15).
A significantly higher incidence of any bleeding occurred with VASCEPA (11.8% versus 9.9%; p=0.006), but as noted above between group differences were not statistically significant for serious bleeding, serious central nervous system bleeding, serious gastrointestinal bleeding, or adjudicated hemorrhagic stroke, and there were no bleeding-associated deaths assessed by investigators as related to VASCEPA.

Mineral oil placebo consideration and analysis

In REDUCE-IT, a placebo containing mineral oil was used to mimic the color and consistency of the drug studied. No strong evidence for biological activity of the same mineral oil was identified in connection with FDA approval of VASCEPA in July 2012 based on the MARINE phase 3 clinical trial, in connection with FDA review of the ANCHOR phase 3 clinical trial, or after several years of quarterly review by the Data Monitoring Committee (DMC) for REDUCE-IT after FDA requested that the DMC periodically assess unblinded lipid data to monitor for signals that the placebo might not be inert. While the DMC noted variation in LDL-C measurements in both arms and that a small physiological effect of mineral oil might be possible, the DMC concluded that it was not possible to determine if the LDL-C increase in the placebo arm was a natural increase over time or due to the mineral oil, and they found no apparent effect on outcomes and considered this small change as unlikely to explain the observed benefit of VASCEPA over placebo.

Each of the three VASCEPA clinical trials, MARINE, ANCHOR and REDUCE-IT, was conducted under a special protocol, or SPA, agreement with FDA in which mineral oil was agreed with FDA as an acceptable placebo.

REDUCE-IT patients represent a population at significant risk for CV events as reflected in the study design that assumed an annual placebo group primary endpoint event rate of 5.9% based on historical data, and as suggested by the observed annualized placebo event rate (5.74%), which remains consistent with historical data for similar at-risk statin-treated patient populations.

As published within the main New England Journal of Medicine presentation of the REDUCE-IT results, at baseline, the median LDL-C was 75.0 mg/dL. The median change in LDL-C was 3.1% (+2.0 mg/dL) for VASCEPA and 10.2% (+7.0 mg/dL) for the mineral oil placebo arm; placebo-corrected median change from baseline of -6.6% (-5.0 mg/dL; p < 0.001). If mineral oil in the placebo might have affected outcomes in some patients, this might have contributed to differences in outcomes between the groups. However, the relatively small differences in LDL-C levels between groups would not likely explain the 25% risk reduction observed with VASCEPA, and a post hoc analysis suggested a similar lower risk regardless of whether there was an increase in LDL-C level among the patients in the placebo group or regardless of the experience of diarrhea while on study. In addition, although open label, Japan EPA Lipid Intervention Study (JELIS) previously demonstrated a 19% risk reduction without a mineral oil placebo.



Source: https://www.vascepahcp.com/growing-cv-risk/mortality-rising/

dmlcento

09/16/19 3:40 PM

#214630 RE: Whalatane #214625

Whal, so I assume this doctor doesn't prescribe any drugs with any adverse effects.

cmm3rd

09/16/19 4:03 PM

#214634 RE: Whalatane #214625

Increase in Afib. Vascepa arm 5.3%, placebo 3.9%, so very slight increase in incidence. Importantly, the potential sequellae of a fib. all decreased (heart attack, cardiac arrest and sudden death decreased > 30%) (see slide 15 of current presentation); moreover, stroke, a primary concern of a fib., decreased 28% (slide 9). So, a patient concerned about consequences of a fib. is still much better off taking Vascepa.

Presentation: https://investor.amarincorp.com/static-files/29f7a0ca-2f1c-4b28-a971-be92856ae744


Mineral oil.
Amarin's response. https://amarincorp.gcs-web.com/static-files/d2a5fe2f-8dcf-4365-bc69-ce31e1200e21. Too long to summarize, but persuasive to me is that MO is widely consumed in much greater quantities, and no data exist to show that it is anything but inert. Also, MO was not used in JELIS, and results are roughly comparable to REDUCE-IT. Many experts have looked at REDUCE-IT data and written that it is extremely unlikely that MO could have had the magnitude of effect reflected in REDUCE-IT results.

FDA wants more than one trial. REDUCE-IT was conducted pursuant to a Special Protocol Assessment Agreement entered into after FDA considered and commented on the study design. The population size was robust. Endpoints were met. It is very unlikely FDA will change its mind and rescind this SPA. Also, statins were prescribed, widely, well before any outcomes study (much less 2 outcome studies) showed a significant CVD risk reduction resulting from lowering LDL-C using statins.

Good luck.

sharinky

09/16/19 4:06 PM

#214637 RE: Whalatane #214625

This doctor is trying to save face. He doesn't want to tell you that he is not allowed to prescribe something that Kaiser doesn't want him to prescribe. They are managing your care, which means they are managing the cost of your care.

Biobillionair

09/16/19 4:16 PM

#214643 RE: Whalatane #214625

Akanz-Your Doc sounds like a real tool...ask him/her for a referral to one of his/her smarter partners. BB

massulo52

09/16/19 4:21 PM

#214646 RE: Whalatane #214625

Show him that there were 62k rx's for Vascepa last week and now we are seeing more than Gen Lovaza, tell him you will sign paperwork to absolve him for damages.....

It must not be bothering those other docs..
I would change Ins or docs

shadolane

09/16/19 4:32 PM

#214652 RE: Whalatane #214625

I think this is the type mentality that AMRN is facing in the field and that they will encounter at the ADCOM.

There's a lot of frictional resistance to overcome. That's most likely why the pps is languishing.

I reported a couple days ago the comments I got from my PCP.

IMO

jfmcrr

09/16/19 5:28 PM

#214661 RE: Whalatane #214625

This post is a request for help in responding to the following from my Kaiser Cardiologist .....after I had sent him the NLA statement




FDA approval of the indication solves it all; his first points. I've got a dollar and can afford the out of pocket, so as typically truculent as I usually am, I'm ignoring this fight

But I'd ask three questions;

1) "If there is very positive ADCOM, would that change your mind?"

2) "If the FDA gives an indication along the lines of the REDUCE IT study, How quickly could I get a prescription?"

3) "Will you give me an off label script? And if not, WTF!!!"


Vegas8ball

09/16/19 7:52 PM

#214694 RE: Whalatane #214625

Whalatane, my Doc was somewhat hesitant too; especially because my health is good (but I wanted to get a Script for the EPA benefits).

Months ago, I provided him with a copy of the New England Journal of Medicine article and a few articles from the Internet. More recently I gave him a printed copy of the Amarin Sept 2019 powerpoint presentation (minus a few pages that were investor oriented). The report does a fantastic job (in my opinion) defining the Reduce-It results and subsequent benefits in layman’s terms.

CVD and Diabetes does run in my family so in light of this truth, I asked for a prescription; which my Doc provided.

My insurance will not cover. Off-label I pay $206/bottle (120 pills). which is with a coupon.

MNBioMike

09/17/19 12:17 AM

#214720 RE: Whalatane #214625

Kiwi - odd post.

I’ve only been around for about a year. You’ve been around since 2011 and have posted > 10k times. Yet, you ask the masses for help on MO and the slight AFib increase? Both which have been covered extensively as you must be aware from your multiple posts a day. Also, the company has covered these issues many times in various communications.

Call me overly skeptical, but seems like a strange outreach story for such a “plugged in” person,
who is suddenly having issues getting a script for a drug he’s posted about 10.5k times.

I got a script from an online MDLive doc and you’ve posted 10.5k times to the AMRN board, but have to ask for help in convincing your Card to write the script? C’mon man....

north40000

09/17/19 1:21 AM

#214725 RE: Whalatane #214625

TWO of your requests, afib and MO, were answered by Dr. Bhatt and others here:


https://tinyurl.com/y5atlfgy at 8-9'
https://tinyurl.com/y7qp2yy3

at 1'55"

jessellivermore

09/17/19 9:08 AM

#214752 RE: Whalatane #214625

KIWI...

Sounds like Pyrr is running Kaiser...Why are you still using this disfunctional organization...Kaiser clearly does not keep up with the rest of the cardiologists..

You use to post you had a whole gang of cardiologists that you ran around with and drank Chardonay' with every evening,,,Can't your buddies come up with a script for you...

":>) JL

KCSVEN

09/17/19 9:13 AM

#214754 RE: Whalatane #214625

They created there response back in December of 18 before more detailed dives into data can be done, the analysis has been done on the issues mentioned but they just have not done the work to update it. Once FDA approves they will likely update their position, not much can be done until then is my guess. I doubt they will revisit the December 18 analysis with FDA decision in the near term.

Webster_iam

09/17/19 10:45 AM

#214773 RE: Whalatane #214625

Kaiser hires docs who are comfortable with doing nothing more than required, in this case NCEP guidelines. Follow the guidelines, the guidelines will kill you, it's like the public school of medical care. Bhatt's response is on Youtube. These guys get penalized if they Rx off label. didn't you say your wife is a urologist with Kaiser, she should know all of this.....

sts66

09/17/19 2:25 PM

#214804 RE: Whalatane #214625

in the control group mineral oil was used which could have had an adverse effect.

I'd ask him where did he come up with that - surely it's not an original idea of his - sounds more like he is just using the skeptics complaints about the trial having results too good to be true to reject a (off label?] scrip for you - especially with that mention of "it's only one trial".

Per Medicare, yes, you cannot switch out of Kaiser until open enrollment period, won't take effect until Jan 1, 2020 - but be aware if you're not insured by Kaiser you may lose access to all of your Kaiser doctors unless they grandfather you in - and I'd be damn sure to get that in writing if possible before you switch. You'd become sort of an "out of network" patient - my PCP stop accepting new Medicare patients years ago because the Fed payments got squeezed so low he was losing money on each Medicare patient appt.

Atom0aks

09/18/19 5:00 PM

#214998 RE: Whalatane #214625

Can anyone link specific responses to his concerns
1) Increase in A Fib ...from what I remember there was no increase in strokes
2) Mineral oil ....does anyone remember the specific Dr Bhatt or AMRN response to that .
3) FDA wanting more than 1 trial



Further support that came out today which hopefully puts the mineral oil controversy to bed,

Alternatively, concern has been raised that the control arm of REDUCE-IT may have influenced the outcome of the trial. The comparator group received mineral oil, which itself raised hs-CRP by 32.3%, from baseline, resulting in a between-group difference at 2 years of 0.9 mg/L. Recent data from the CANTOS trial showed that a 1.6-1.7 mg/dL reduction in hs-CRP was associated with a 17% reduction in major vascular events.50 Thus, it is possible the magnitude of clinical benefit observed in REDUCE-IT could reflect a combination of both lower triglycerides and lower hsCRP in the EPA arm vs. the comparator arm of mineral oil, but even those two factors together seem insufficient. JELIS and DOIT were the only other two trials to test >1 gram/day of EPA and both had CV risk reduction beyond what was expected based on non-HDL-C lowering, supporting the potential pleiotropic benefits of higher-dose EPA.



Source: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.119.041998

zmanindc

09/18/19 5:33 PM

#215009 RE: Whalatane #214625

Maybe ask the Doctor or the Kaiser policy specialist to provide you with the data, link to studies that conclude Mineral Oil counters/impacts the chemical effects of statins. Or, point you to any posted drug interactions between MO and statins. I could only find one source for this concern in my research. Dr. Steven Nissen the chief Fudster of the MO controversy.