Replies to post #13052 on Advanced Micro Devices Inc (AMD)

[drjohn]

The P4 is a dog, because Jerry Sanders said so. He and Hector Ruiz expect all of the AMD fans to accept this. But given how much damage this "dog" has done to AMD, it's interesting to think what a "non-dog" design would have done.


Just wait untill the hot Prescott mutt starts relieving itself all over athalon64, the AMD fans will go bannanas spewing FUD on how the prescott mutt that is so inferior could be eating all of athalon64's Christmas dog food. Its amazing what a little performance advantage a steady supply and a lot of well placed marketing dollars can achieve.

[Petz]

The deficiency in Intel's Bananas architecture is even worse than K7! The amazing Bapco Sysmark 2002 exposes the deficiencies of the Centrino product line mercilessly!

My goodness, a 3-year-old P4 1.4 is shown to be faster than the impossible-to-find highest-speed-available Centrino at the bottom of this page: http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1800&p=13

There are only two possible explanations for Intel's failure:

Explanation #1 comes from Toms Hardware Guide. When the Athlon XP failed to perform as well as the Pentium 4 in the spanking new benchmark in April 2002, uncle Tom said, "the AMD processors prove to be relatively weak because they lack enhancements."
Yes, read this scientific explanation yourself at the bottom of this page: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020402/p4_2400-13.html

And also notice that, even with 2002 chipsets, the P4 1.4 still has a higher Bapco CC 2002 score than the hopelessly-flawed Centrino! The Centrino just plain lacks features, that's the reason.

There is one other *possible* explanation, and it come from wbmw. Apparently the Centrino CPUs are too darned impatient. They don't "wait" properly. Those impish buggers of CPUs have a major flaw in their psyche, have no manners, and don't obey rules of etiquette, just like their AMD brethren.

Petz

[CombJelly]

"Bapco exposed a serious deficiency in the K7 microarchitecture"

Any idea of what those deficiencies might be?

I find it endlessly fascinating that Bapco deemed the sort in Excel to be such a crucial operation that it is the dominant element in their benchmark...

[Petz]

A non-dog, non-P4 design did very poorly running internet content creation benchmarks Adobe Photoshop® 6.01, Adobe Premiere® 6.0, Microsoft Windows Media Encoder 7.1, Macromedia Dreamweaver 4, and Macromedia Flash 5.

The non-dog architecture that did so badly is called Centrino. You might have heard of it.

... which all goes to answer your question:

"it's interesting to think what a "non-dog" design would have done."

Petz

[dougSF30]

Huh? But Banias, which is known to outperform the P4 on the very stuff the benchmark purports to measure, is given a crummy score by it, as well as the Athlon...

At what point do you start to wonder if there's something odd going on?

Doug