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03/14/16 3:09 PM

#181877 RE: LexTrader #181875

I agree fwiw

brunners

03/14/16 3:10 PM

#181878 RE: LexTrader #181875

I AGREE LEX

fishbreath13

03/14/16 3:12 PM

#181879 RE: LexTrader #181875

Agree Nice post Lex way to sum it up!

janice shell

03/14/16 3:58 PM

#181881 RE: LexTrader #181875

If you want to retain members and gain new ones, you have to figure out why people get frustrated trying to trade stocks without constantly having their investments being attacked.

Trading stocks and discussing them are separate and distinct activities. So I take it you really mean stock specific boards should be all hype, moonbeams, and unicorns. But that does not make for discussion of any kind.

People don't want a tug a war, when the odds are strongly in the favor of those who oppose their investment…

Why is that? I mean, why are the odds "strongly in favor" of the "bashers"? Because they do better research than the longs? Because the longs already know their current favorite is a POS, but hope to make money on it anyway?

If the longs genuinely believe the stock is a good one, why not develop arguments that will effectively counter the bashers' criticisms? That's what discussion is all about. And it might well attract new buyers.

The reality that many fail to grasp is that controversy brings new participants--and no doubt many more new readers--to the stock boards. An avalanche of hype posts does not. Consider, if you will, what happens when the notorious $25 a day pump group shows up. Sometimes they're welcomed at first, but soon regular longs get fed up with the barrage of meaningless posts. Many depart for the duration of the promo. Others complain about the spam. Only the most naive feel it has a positive effect on the stock in question.

Why should there be a need to call people "morons" and "idiots"? Why not simply demonstrate why what they say is moronic and/or idiotic?

I do that all the time.

IH Geek [Dave]

03/14/16 4:01 PM

#181882 RE: LexTrader #181875

If you want to retain members and gain new ones, you have to figure out why people get frustrated trying to trade stocks without constantly having their investments being attacked.

That argument is dead on arrival, IMO. It would be the greatest disservice to our users, the shareholders and the investing public at large if we were to disfavor posts/posters with contrary views. The answer to disagreeable speech is more speech, not the suppression of speech found by some to be disagreeable. Why should objective investors be deprived of the benefit of opposing views merely because others are insecure in their investments? Readers who want to bury their heads in the sand, or who don't want to hear from another poster for whatever reason have the option of using Ignore. Readers get to filter what they read, not what others post.

When the bashers/ FUD spreaders can ad nauseam make statements against the co. 24/7, no matter whether true or not, it makes visiting the board and posting a waste of time.

Another non-starter. That is absolutely no different than "pumpers/FUD spreaders can ad nauseam make statements in favor of the company." It's just utter nonsense to say that that as a rule pumpers post truth and bashers post lies. Veracity and credibility should be left to each reader to decide for themselves.

Over the past 15 years there have been a few times where others have created alternative sites where "bashing" isn't allowed. They ultimately fail and disappear from the internet. The majority of the content winds up being about the iHub board, where all opinions are allowed, and the bulls-only board eventually dies on the vine. Beware the website that picks sides based on investment sentiment; it's a recipe to lose your money.

Renee

03/14/16 10:11 PM

#181922 RE: LexTrader #181875

As a member who reads many stock specific boards to personally assess risks of SEC Suspensions, toxic Convertible Debenture loans, and probabilities of consequential reverse splits, I have observed the issues that you present.

For a relevant preamble, not that long ago there was an I-Hubber who organized 24-7 pumps on many stocks, and who enticed his / her followers to join the organized pumps. The pump team disregarded any corroborated research by members you refer to as "bashers / FUD spreaders" by simply outposting the 'bashers / FUD spreaders' at least by 100 posts to their one. They almost always stayed within the Terms Of Use and seldom had any posts removed (deducted by no missing posts), but they would get away with vague insults to the corroborated research of the 'bashers / FUD spreaders' by posting in capital letters and black hilites to add emphasis. The referenced I-Hubber also had very active stock pump boards, of which I shall not name because it would reveal the I-Hubber's alias.

I'm trying to not write a book in this response, though I could. Anyway, many of the stocks pumped 24-7 by the member invariably had runs on each stock, followed by catastrophic losses. From my observations no-one gives a hoot about the many who lost money....well, except for the "bashers" who tried to warn anyone who would listen.

Some of the pumped stocks were suspended by the SEC. One particular bankruptcy stock was under ORDER by the COURT to cancel ALL shares upon the BK PLAN becoming effective. That didn't deter the I-Hubber and his / her team of thugs who pumped the bajeebus out of the stock with outrageously false information. Damn, they ran that stock hundreds of percent.....and then the COURT ORDER came in the middle of the day immediately cancelling ALL shares. Shareholders were instantly wiped out. Not one friggin word of apology, not one 'oops, guess I was wrong' came from the IHubber and his team of pumping thugs. Nope, they just disappeared leaving horrible havoc in their wake. Then on to the next 24-7 pump. Same M.O., same catastrophic losses after the pump and run were over. Can I at least get a sniff, sniff for those who were wiped out?

Fortunately that I-Hubber with over 3,000 membermarks was booted, but there are many more who strive to be leaders in pumping stocks for personal gain, and without regard for the many who lose when the trap door is sprung to severe losses. The "bashers" who posted toxic Convertible Debenture notes, or who posted SEC filings delinquencies, or who posted any supported research, or who simply identified previously failed pumps on the stock are seldom given credit for trying to prevent shareholder losses.

To your point of 'FUD spreaders'.....any member who pumps or bashes a stock without supported research fall into that category whether a post says going to copper / silver on a triple zero stock or this POS is a scam......no merit whatsoever. BUT, when a conscientious I-Hubber presents supported information perhaps more members should take heed and listen instead of complaining about "bashers and FUD spreaders".

Guess I wrote a mini-book afterall....it is a big subject.

ADMIN's do an admirable job, and some stock board Moderators are to be commended when they fairly apply the T.O.U. / T.O.S. It ain't an easy task.

Homebrew

03/14/16 11:06 PM

#181933 RE: LexTrader #181875

LOL! We must be using different IHubs.

BONESPUR

03/15/16 12:14 AM

#181941 RE: LexTrader #181875

If the odds are in favor of bashers, then the stock is a piece of shit to begin with. Simple really

BONESPUR

03/15/16 12:16 AM

#181942 RE: LexTrader #181875

What about posters who make statements that encourage buying the stock when those statements are straight out lies? I suppose those are ok?

Zorax

03/15/16 12:30 AM

#181943 RE: LexTrader #181875

If you want to retain members and gain new ones, you have to figure out why people get frustrated trying to trade stocks without constantly having their investments being attacked. When the bashers/ FUD spreaders can ad nauseam make statements against the co. 24/7, no matter whether true or not,

I would say expect some responses to this one...

Pink sheets are gambling, no one should listen to anyone telling them it's an investment.

One thing everyone knows almost without exception is the 'basher' 95% of the time is directly discussing the company, the officers and insider/present and past principals, which are clearly allowed by Ihub. NOT the member posting on the board and a large percent of the time the 'basher' backs it up with links to the SEC, Finra, Pacer as well as other legit sources.

Whereas the 'defending their investment' member, having no ammo or 'facts' to refute actual links to the companies own files of criminal conduct the company created themselves, will attack the 'basher' themselves. Usually followed by "prove they didn't do it" impossible double negative. Take a look at any cult board's ban list. Interestingly, pumpers far outnumber bashers on those lists...why is that?


"make statements against the co. 24/7, NO MATTER WHETHER TRUE OR NOT?????
So, the only statements that should be allowed are all the 'true' ones, usually from the company themselves and repeated ad nauseam, but not the true bad news or info.

That sounds a little one sided and not conductive of Ihubs attempts at fair discourse. There are other sites where one can have their wish. Ihub isn't one of those.

DragonBear

03/15/16 2:11 PM

#181959 RE: LexTrader #181875

People don't want a tug a war, when the odds are strongly in the favor of those who oppose their investment

Huh? Here's an experiment to perform. Find a microcap stock where one has half a dozen posters "pumping" away. With the CEO already elevated to cult status (e.g. nominated for "Most Ethical Microcap CEO of the Year" award). A stock where the insiders are providing a steady monthly diet of nonsense PRs.

The folks who invested in that stock, based on the pumper posts proclaiming the stock is a once in a lifetime dream, don't want to be told, they invested in a scam. Especially if they already have a huge loss. It's human nature. They only want good news, not bad. If suffering a loss, they want to be told the dream is still intact. As in a mythical miracle. There's also the myths the basher has to battle...

When faced with the choice of admitting they have been scammed, or believing they are the victim of a conspiracy to keep their beloved stock down, which posts are they going to believe? Believing in a conspiracy means they can also believe they will get their financial loss back. The evil basher posts the stock has been diluted out the wing wang, and the pumpers post it's due to a Naked Short Selling conspiracy. I followed one where where one of many conspiracies had the Naked Shorters bribing the SEC to suspend the stock. And that was just the start. Conspiracies involving the gov or regulatory agencies are always a pleasing favorite.

Me thinks, you over estimate the power of an evil basher such as myself. We're swimming against the tide of what the herd wants to hear.