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Captain Black Bob Blanco

08/07/15 6:21 PM

#29028 RE: penny2dollaz #29027

If you can provide proof of that statement, I will remove the sticky.
CFGX

ObviousJoe

08/07/15 6:30 PM

#29030 RE: penny2dollaz #29027

RE:

Untrue, the mining ID will change if the owner releases his claim.



When an operator releases a claim on a mine it changes the status. In this instance the mine was registered just long enough for Norat to post that it was in its initial phase. The very next day the mine status was changed to "Abandoned". If anyone were to take over the mine, the status and operator would change, but the ID is still the same ID.

Post a single reference to back that up. The rules of mining are very clear. Post up what you think you know and not a phone number. If someone on the phone told you different cite the rule and regulation.

http://www.msha.gov/forms/elawsforms/MineIDRequest.htm
Check the online MSHA processing and find me a single form to apply for a mine or mineral ID change. You won't find it because it doesn't exist. What you will find is this statement right there on the front:

All mines are required to apply for an MSHA mine identification number. An MSHA ID is required for each mine site and must be issued before any operations may begin.



Paul Norat sold this latest scheme as the Gold Remedy Mine and then started giving other names and other ID numbers. As is clearly stated on the MSHA site, an Mine ID is REQUIRED before any mining operations begin. He still can't produce a Mine ID for that location.

He sold stock based on the Gold Remedy Mine. He needs to give up that Mine ID number.

ObviousJoe

08/07/15 6:47 PM

#29031 RE: penny2dollaz #29027

RE:

the mining ID will change if the owner releases his claim.



Here are examples of mines within a few miles of the Doc Watson mine:

Bluebird Mine. Formerly the Gladiator 2 Mine.
Same Mine/Mineral/MAS/MILS ID number.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/mrds/show-mrds.php?dep_id=10280416

Lost Basin Mine. Formerly the Little Nugget Mine.
Same Mine/Mineral/MAS/MILS ID number.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/mrds/show-mrds.php?dep_id=10259155

King Tut Mine. Formerly the Apache Oro Mine.
Same Mine/Mineral/MAS/MILS ID number.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/mrds/show-mrds.php?dep_id=10210566

Manhatan Mine. Formerly the Scott Mine and before that the Pine Tree Jim Mine.
Same Mine/Mineral/MAS/MILS ID number.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/mrds/show-mrds.php?dep_id=10186801

Eureka Mine. Formerly the Lutley Group Mine.
Same Mine/Mineral/MAS/MILS ID number.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/mrds/show-mrds.php?dep_id=10137600

Note that the names change and often do, but the ID remains the same. A Mine ID is like a VIN on a vehicle. It stays with the vehicle and doesn't change when you buy, sell or abandon it. I can keep giving examples and look for a Mine ID to change, but we won't find it because it doesn't happen.