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10/20/14 9:52 AM

#60785 RE: Barney Vissur #60782

No. Cost estimate was for beryllium formulation only.

BTW:

The price of the installed machine which Steipp et alia alluded to at the Open House needs to be broken down, which I have not the inclination to do at this time.

Nonetheless, involved in the total are the individual costs of the turn-key:

a) Cost of basic E-100
b) Cost of power source for the induction vacuum chamber
c) Cost of vacuum chamber melt
d) Cost of the robot to insert ingots and remove ejected parts
e) Other odds and ends I have not included but unable to list due to lack of knowledge of them

I was told by Markus at Engel that the raw machine before modification and addition of b-e was less than USD 200000 K, so it seems that the additional components are pretty expensive in totum.

Mech Tech

10/20/14 12:23 PM

#60800 RE: Barney Vissur #60782

An Anax post on be free costs, from seeking alpha;

"The Long Case For Liquidmetal Technologies [View article]
Potential other formulas:

Zr50.75-x Cu36.25 Ni4 Al9 Snx

http://bit.ly/1f4YZ3r

"A particularly preferred bulk metallic glass alloy has the composition:"

Zr6i.45 Nb1.75 Cu13.5 Ni12.6 Al10.0

http://bit.ly/1f4YXIL

They may either substitute Beryllium with Tin(Sn) [22$/kg] or Niob [40$/kg] and Alumiunium [2$/kg]. Berylium costs 1100$ per Kg! http://bit.ly/1f4YZ3t

The vitreloy compositions have 10-20% beryllium content. (Zr- and Ti-based)

It means that 100g ingots of the new certified Zr-based liquidmetal without Be is probably 10-20$ cheapier.

As Zircon sand prices dropped from 2000$ to 1000$ per metric ton, and as titanium is also just 6$ per kg, I assume that Liquidmetal now found a commercially viable compostition to offer totally compettive prices. I guess a 100g Liquidmetal ingot of the new composition will only cost approximately 5$.

When I made my fundamental analysis about this stock one year ago, I calculated potential applications and business model with 20-25$ per 100g ingots and 50$-100$ per injection shot, to got thinking of that it was still economical. When you can now purchase LM ingots for only 5$ this would be just insane!

As the process allows, you can produce multiple parts with multi-cavity molds in just one injection shot! The avarage part weight in the MIM-Market is 6-10 grams. It means that you can produce on avarage 1-10 small metal parts in one injection shot (80-100g) for just 0,5-5$ a piece plus the machine and energy costs (& LM license costs of course ;).

I just imagine I was a company orffering high-end titanium medical surgical instruments selling for 50-100$ per device, I would definetley want to use this manufacturing technology. Down to the heart of this innovation, this technology has extremely "unfair advantages" comparing to conventional methos to master metal.

I am really looking forward to the first contracts!

http://bit.ly/1f4YZ3v
http://bit.ly/1f4YZ3x
http://bit.ly/1f4YXIP#
http://bit.ly/1f4YXIR";