Sunday, July 31, 2016 9:14:53 PM
Great question! This is going to be a long post, brace yourself. Note, I started and stopped writing it so if it’s broken in thought, sorry about that. I will highlight parts of articles that I think is pertinent to establish how I came to my answer. Hopefully you will see why I'm long. Hoping you go long, eventually. :)
Let’s just recap:
An average GBM tumor contains 1011 cells, which is on average reduced to 109 cells after surgery (a reduction of 99%). On average, radiotherapy after surgery can reduce the tumor size to 107 cells.
Here is where I found my facts on tumor cell loads in case anyone want to verify:
Philip Lawler Glioblastoma Foundation: http://philiplawlerbraincancerfoundation.com/treatment.html
(I’ve also seen it confirmed on either Glioblastoma sites, so it is accurate.)
It’s honestly a two part question, as the tumor volume before surgery will count as well. Pre-surgery affects Post-surgery:
And this shows that prior studies mostly have not seen high GTR, and that most hospitals are only going to going to leave residual tumor behind even with 5-ALA. The operating room matters!
And so size of pre-operative mass will matter. I do believe that the Philip Lawler numbers takes into account that not all patients will qualify for GTR in their average.
DCVax-L will not be give to patients with residual volumes of average patients. They will be able to go in and take out the extra 20%.
Linda Liau had to state about iMRI in 2005 at Immunotherapy for Brain Tumors Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsOthpPv7k
Intra-operative MRI (minutes 45:15 onward)
"Acquiring an MRI during surgery allows for updating the neuro-navigation systems."
“Patients must have a surgically accessible, unilateral tumor for which surgical resection, with intent to perform a gross total or near gross total resection, is indicated.” — Phase III Criteria
I think we can agree that the Phase III recruitment criteria is highly selective, and does not reflect those found in routine clinical practice. Their study will not be the typical tumor burden, it's unilateral tumors only and, no metastases. Their tumor volume will be less before surgery, since it's only unilateral tumors that qualify for entry. And as you know, there will be less tumor burden behind as the sites they use are the state of the art equipment, so there will less likely be Tumor load behind. It's going to be residual cell loads that immunotherapy can manage.
And here is rates on FGG:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20607351/
And here is rate of ioMRI:
Impact of intraoperative high-field magnetic resonance imaging guidance on glioma surgery: a prospective volumetric analysis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19487886/
As a reminder they recruit at the sites that qualify them for a GTR, using techniques, like brain mapping and ioMRI that I researched and shared over at IV:
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=6543&mn=3518&pt=msg&mid=15407625
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=6543&mn=3586&pt=msg&mid=15413433
And here is a DC study that used EoR of a qualifying entry, and should serve as an example what to expect:
I’l summarize what they found:
Mean age was 66 years, median KPS was 70, four patients were RPA class V and one was class IV. MGMT promoter was unmethylated in one and methylated in four cases. Mean preoperative tumor volume was 54 cc (34-112) Resection was total in three cases, while the other two cases had 0.25 cc and 0.27 cc residual tumor.
The 5 patients median age was 67 years old. AGE and KPS scores is a significant prognosis factor. Here is the chart of the 4 patients (the unmethylated patient removed). Notice how this small group overall survival improves (OS: 27 mo, 27.5 mo, > 36, > 32)? Notice two were still alive (as of late 2012)?
GIVEN AGE and KPS are significant prognosis factor, these patients did well:
This pilot comes from their larger study. Both are referenced here:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=122652331
The study’s conclusion:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3536842/
But I already know what you will tell me, you’re going to state it has to do with their MGMT promoter status, and the amount of adjuvant chemo they received.
It’s as I stated before has to do with chemotherapy synergies:
I showed you it’s feasible to go after residual cells, but now how many do I think there will be… Using another trial criteria for nGBM to answer your question:
Okay, let me break down my response:
Doctors measure cancer in millimeters (1 mm = .04 inch) or centimeters (1 cm = .4 inch).
A tumor reaching the size of 1 cm(3) (approximately 1 g wet weight) is commonly assumed to contain 1 x 10(9) cells (=1,000,000,000 cells).
Radiological levels of detection. The crucial point is the minimal detection level of radiologists. This was experimentally tested by Spratt and coworkers [17], who placed lucite balls having a radiopacity approximating that of solid tumors and ranging in diameter from 1.6 to 12 mm randomly upon the posterior and anterior thorax of patients. Radiographs were taken and examined by a group of radiologists. The conclusions were: ‘‘Radiologists could distinguish 10–12 mm diameter balls regard- less of their location; 6 mm balls could be detected when the shadow was in a favourable site, and 3 mm shadows could only be found when the radiologist was shown precisely where to look. Radiopacities smaller than 3 mm were indistinguishable.’’ For mammography, the lowest level of detection is stated to be 2.1 mm [41].
https://visualsonline.cancer.gov/details.cfm?imageid=7278
The measurable phase of a cancer is said (2 × 10(7)–10(11) cells), as such, I do not think they be treating the patients at the 10 (11) cells.
A large tumor (10 cm in diameter) contains about 1012 cells (1 kilo). In GBM, that is likely to be cancer that extends into other parts of the brain, and not a candidate for this study.
But DCVax-L need 2 grams of lysate. So the ideal patient would be a patient with 2 - 10 grams tumor. But at the same time, if a GBM surgery is considered GTR, then it should not fit into the classification of what qualifies for pre-surgery, at the post surgery point, and so I suspect that even before any log kill patients will have < 20,000,000 cells.
GTR: < 20,000,000 cells post surgery;
STR < 20,000,000 cell but up to 1,000,000,000 cells (1 cc). And .25 cc would be 250,000,000 cells.
Keep in mind even if post surgery of a 5 - 10 gram tumor I speculated would leave remnants of > .5 cc tumor and so that would likely to be a range of what is considered tumor burden of 500,000,000 cells; and therefore, I going to guess that would show up on an MRI.
If patients are unresponsive to radiotherapy and to chemo, then within the three months, the patients tumor would likely grow; eliminating them from main arm enrollment.
I imagine one could respond to 1 but not both (chemo or radiation); and even unMGMT derived benefit on TMZ, as most tumors have varying degrees of methylation. And MGMT promoter status is a positive factor of TMZ benefit, it isn’t a predictive factor to TMZ response. In case you’re wondering, even with the Stupp unMGMT group, the combination of TMZ-RT was better than RT alone.
Again, getting back to the topic, with an iMRI, and the like scanning procedures; to be detectable as “partial, the cells can be detected between 2.1 - 6 mm (see above extent of tumor resection). In that study, and in others I’ve seen, if they are able to detected .25 cm tumor and call that STR.
Majority of their case will have absence of any residual tumour mass on early postoperative MRI to < 1 cc of tumor after surgery. And none of the above takes into account that tumors are not made up of entirely cancer cells. The vaccine will be given to patients with the least amount of disease, as I imagine the trial will maintain a large percentage of GTR in the main arm. Patients whose tumors are growing quickly will be removed at baseline. And, any patients who dies from complications from surgery, or fails eligibility criteria (lower KPS score), will not make it into the study. Majority of patients would likely fall in these ranges:
GTR: < 20,000,000 cells post surgery; but there would also be cells in the fingers that the surgeon couldn’t see. I’ll guess that could double the number. <40,000,000 cells
STR (up to .5 cc mass) > 40,000,000 - < 500,000,000 cells post surgery
Then log kill of radiation and chemotherapy can bring it down by 10(-2), 10 (-1), respectively. Later cycles of chemotherapy can bring it down more, but you asked about Day 0 of the vaccine.
Final answer for best to worse case main arm patients residual cell loads on DAY ONE of DCVax-L:
If patients respond to both radiation + chemotherapy: 4,000 - 500,000 residual cell
And if the patients only responds to one of the two therapies: 40,000 - 5,000,000 residual cell
And yes, I know the immune system can only actively move 10,000 cell to cure.
Such an interesting question, so I did dig before answering. It is still too much for the immune system to get rid of it immediately, but over time it could with further cycles of chemotherapy it could keep the disease stable and subsequent rounds of chemotherapy will help. Plus, I believe I already proved without a shadow of a doubt that manufacturing has been reduced from and 10 day batch to and an 8 day, likely to incorporate TFF, which will make it a more potent biological product.
Survival with only surgery and radiotherapy combination being grim makes sense when you account for things like growth rates of tumor. The average GBM are said to double ever 49 days, and those that are of low oxygen would fall main arm (true rapid progression).
And then, that leads us to discuss the tumor growth of the remaining mass:
It become clear that less mass, extends survival, and why I argued placebo arm with advanced surgical care, on Stupp protocol, will do very well in this study.
And so, next step is what they will have afterwards, the proliferation and growth rate will be depending on how well established the disease was in the first place.
Trajectory of tumor Gompertizian growth (obviously the less mass, means chemotherapy works better):
www.orchidcancercentre.com/images/curve.jpg
But we would have to go into kinetics and the Norton-Simon Hypothesis and why I think vaccine and chemotherapy are turning out to be so synergistic.
KINETICS OF CLINICAL RESPONSE AFTER THERAPEUTIC VACCINATION
“The reduction which is constant is in common accordance with the first order of kinetics representing it's peculiar rate of production. Applying this principle, it's just as easy to we juice 1 million cancer cells to 10,000 as it is it is to reduce 100 cancer cells to one both situations represent a 99% reduction.”
BUT, it then will also BENEFIT the vaccine, as will reduce the cells to a level that with Effect of Vaccination on Chemotherapeutic Treatment of GBM Tumors
And so, chemotherapy and vaccine therapy will be VERY effective on OS in this trial:
Research on Chemo-effect:
As a reminder, NW Bio was sued by IMUC because they felt the cross over arm conflicted with their patent. Effect of Vaccination on Chemotherapeutic Treatment of GBM Tumors:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/replies.aspx?msg=119725260
That elder pilot study came from this study, the overall abstract:
This above study, did not do any patient selection bias, other then EoR, and it clearly shows how well the above DC trial went after what I described is becoming to be much more well know occurrence with GTR, recurrent patterns happen outside the RT field, and so they come later, but DC vaccines go after those cells:
I bring this up as I believe "multicentric" lesions is in part the reason DC technology is having success. With RESECTIONS rates on the rise, longer PFS rates have been recorded. But the extended time before first progression at initial site of surgery does not translate to longer survival because BCS are resistance to chemo and radiation cells, and therefore they escape and migrate and a new lesion is born elsewhere. Well immunotherapy as we all know, stops the spread of metastases. And in the brain, the GTR rates of multicentric growths go down with the introduction of immunotherapy, but have gone up considerably in GBM with chemo and radiation (longer PFS, but death still occurs around 18-22 months). And if the means that recurrences tend to be local to the initial tumor site if and when it shows up in immunotherapy. And that does translate to longer survival. A sort of abscopal affect as radiation makes new tumors more susceptible to immunotherapy.
And pattern of cancer recurrences will change as surgical GTR precision goes up; and chemotherapy is introduced to a lower residual environment:
Analysis of Recurrence Pattern, in MGMT methylation:
Recurrence Pattern After Temozolomide Concomitant With and Adjuvant to Radiotherapy in Newly Diagnosed Patients With Glioblastoma: Correlation With MGMT Promoter Methylation Status
To our knowledge, the present study could be the first in literature to evaluate the recurrence pattern after the administration of TMZ as a radiosensitizing agent concurrent with RT19 and, as a cytotoxic drug, in the maintenance setting. Because of strict inclusion criteria, there may have been the possibility that a selection bias exists, and the generalizability is therefore applicable only to patients who are ≤ 70 years of age and who undergo resection. We observed a failure pattern shift from local/marginal to distant, recurrences outside the RT field occurring in approximately 20% of cases. Furthermore, distant recurrence occurred significantly later than local recurrence, and the recurrence pattern was significantly influenced by MGMT methylation status, recurrences being outside the RT field in 15% and 42% of patients with MGMT unmethylated and MGMT methylated status, respectively (P = .01). Although the factors underlying this phenomenon are not clear, some considerations should be made. It is unclear whether MGMT methylation status alters the motility and migration pattern of GBM cells, or whether the combined chemoradiation approach, by having a synergic effect on MGMT methylated cells,19 can enhance local GBM cell eradication. The latter hypothesis is supported by the finding that the time to recurrence was prolonged in patients with MGMT methylated status,7,20 as was the time to distant recurrence (14.9 months v 9.2 months in patients with local failure). Interestingly, in the present study, after a median follow-up of 18.9 months, 16 patients have not yet had disease progression; moreover, three of these 60 patients (5%) had MGMT unmethylated status and 13 (32.4%) had MGMT methylated status.
jco.ascopubs.org/content/27/8/1275.full
And so, I truly believe they will be getting vaccine going after residual cells; and each treatment being laddered with chemotherapy, will helping keep the disease from establishing in other parts of the brain; and from coming back, if the all the cancer cells end up being removed by log kill.
Stony Brook, NY, October 26, 2015 -- Most cancer drugs are designed to target dividing cells, but a new study by Stony Brook University researchers suggests that targeting invasive cells may be a new strategy to treat metastatic cancer. The approach is based on the finding that cells in C. elegans, a roundworm nematode, cannot divide and invade at the same time. The research, published in the journal Developmental Cell , is the first study to definitively show the dichotomy between cell division and cell invasion.
Uncontrolled cell division is a hallmark of cancer. In the paper titled “Invasive Cell Fate Requires G1 Cell-Cycle Arrest and Histone Deacetylase-Mediated Changes in Gene Expression,” lead author David Q. Matus, PhD, an Assistant Professor in the Department of Biochemistry & Cell Biology at Stony Brook University, and colleagues found that only when roundworm cells stop dividing can they become invasive. When cells become invasive, it is the most lethal to a host, as they are the cells that escape tumor tissue to travel and form new tumors.
“Our finding changes how we think about cancer to some level,” said Dr. Matus. “While it will remain important to target dividing cells – as cancer is a disease of uncontrolled cell division – we need to figure out how to target non-dividing cells too since they are the invasive ones.
Well guess what, immunotherapy is going after the non-dividing cells. It will be going after the cells that are begin to formulate the tumors that have not yet been detected. As surgery improves, and check-point inhibitor are added to which will reduce the immunosuppressive macro-environment factors, more and more patient disease will be eradicated.
2. When MD1225 says "treatment begins....literally 6-8 months from the day the patient applied to be in trial.... " do you agree he is off by a factor of two. (and his recent "thanks, I didn't have the energy" response is utter BS. -- AVII
Short answer approximately 3 months.
Off the protocol, which will not have changed:
14.6 months from surgery (95% confidence interval, 13.3 to 16.8; Stupp, 2005). In
the Phase II trial, PFS and survival times will be calculated from time of
randomization, which is expected to occur approximately three months after initial
surgery.
And:
Population:
Patients 18 to 70 years old with newly diagnosed GBM (Grade 4 astrocytoma), who have
undergone surgery, are eligible to enter into screening. Patients in screening who have received
external beam radiation therapy with concurrent temozolomide chemotherapy according to the
Stupp protocol (Stupp et al., N Engl J Med 352: 987-96, 2005), without evidence of disease
progression following radiation therapy, are eligible to be randomized into the study. All patients
must have a Karnofsky Performance Score (KPS) of ≥70, ≥8 week life expectancy, no other
prior
malignancy within the last 5 years, and no active infections. See section 7 for full eligibility
criteria.
These same eligibility criteria, except the requirement for absence of disease progression at
baseline, apply to the patients in the pseudoprogression arm of the study.
Endpoints - Progression free survival (PFS) and overall survival (OS): Time to objective
demonstration of disease progression or death (PFS) or time to death (OS) in patients with
either
no evidence of disease progression after external beam radiation therapy with concurrent
temozolomide chemotherapy, or in patients who show pseudoprogression of disease after
external beam radiation therapy with concurrent temozolomide chemotherapy. Patients with
pseudoprogression will not be treated with DCVax-L until pseudoprogression (no true disease
progression) is confirmed.
And they make sure it's clear, "out of the window" are not accepted:
DCVax-L. Both DCVax-L and the placebo are tested at the contracted manufacturer
prior to release to the study site. Patients for whom sufficient DCVax-L was not
generated are not eligible to continue on this protocol.
All subjects who had a leukapheresis will undergo external beam radiation therapy
(which may include intensity modulate radiation therapy or IMRT) and concurrent
temozolomide chemotherapy as part of standard primary treatment, initiated as soon
as possible, typically 3-4 weeks after surgery (Appendices A & B).
Two weeks after completion of radiation and concurrent chemotherapy treatment,
subjects will undergo the Baseline Visit, during which the final tests to determine
eligibility are performed. Patients who do not have obvious evidence of progressive
disease at the Baseline Visit (as determined by MRI) are enrolled in the main arm of
the study (intent to treat), and are randomized to receive DCVax-L in the treatment
cohort or autologous MNC in the placebo cohort. Randomization and treatment
assignment takes place within 1 week of the Baseline Visit. At the Baseline Visit,
patients must be scheduled to return to the clinic 1 week later to receive their first
immunization. The study drug, containing approximately 2.5 million DC per
immunization (two injections of 1.25 million DC each per immunization, in
approximately 150 µl each), is injected i.d. (not subcutaneously) into a clean area of
the upper arm, alternating arms between visits. Injection volume is patient specific
and the Certificate of Analysis (C of A) should be referenced. Due to the nature of
the disease under study, out of window visits are expected for enrolled patients and
will not require waivers.
See how they have fail screen of rapids at baseline, and then again at baseline 2?
How some say there are no psPD in the CUA do not understand that they need comparison MRIs to make that determination of whether it's "true disease"; and so of course if they confound it with vaccine, it would become "Indeterminate". But I digress.
Patients who do not have unequivocal progressive disease but who otherwise have
evidence of disease progression (possible pseudoprogression) will initiate adjuvant
temozolomide chemotherapy per standard of care, and will be scheduled to return to
the clinic at 10 weeks post completion of initial radiation and concurrent
chemotherapy treatment to undergo a repeat baseline visit, i.e. Baseline 2 Visit.
Patients who do not have progressive disease at the Baseline 2 Visit (as determined
by central review of their MRI) are enrolled into the study (intent to treat), and are
randomized to receive DCVax-L in the treatment cohort or autologous MNC in the
placebo cohort (2:1). Randomization and treatment assignment takes place within 1
week of the Baseline Visit 2. At the Baseline 2 Visit, patients must be scheduled to
return to the clinic 1 week later to receive their first immunization. Patients for whom
disease progression is confirmed by central review of their Baseline 2 Visit MRI will
fail screening and will not be randomized into the study.
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