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well, if any justice, maybe dead and in jail. really hosed the shareholders here.
all done? no possible saves? where did mel go? where did the product go? anything?
laz
we all done here? anything/any hope at all for future developments re co, shell, mel? thanks.
laz
really too bad for all of us that mel let this tank without regard. another p.o.c. person that didnt live up to his word and commitments. not even an explanation or (yeah right) an apology to the folks whose money he took. if this comes back i would be amazed. lottery tickets have better odds.
seriously, does anyone have any actual details of anything that is happening with mel or popn? has there been any activity by or for the company in the last 6 months? are there any current lawsuits or judgments against mel or the company? just check in irregularly, but have not seen anything but complaints (me included) or banter. just wondered if any of you know anything of substance. thanks.
laz
where is everyone? more importantly, where is rp's "son", matt? call in the loan, boy.
laz
even dead horses have legs - sadly, haven't seen any sign of those here for a while.
laz
sif, guess i finally cave in. pathetic seems to be totally the correct word. i think i would rather be called an a-hole, or some other such insult - but if this is all there is, then this/he is just, well, Pathetic. really too bad.
laz
won't try to argue with the math (i knew what you meant), though it still should be trading at 10x what it is now (which is still next to nothing, so why quibble). question is - what happened and why? it did not have to be this way, and all (including mel) would have made much more money if this was as portrayed and a bit more care taken and effort made. too bad for all of us - still irritating that the buck stops nowhere, and no one has the guts to man (or woman) up.
laz
yeah, it's hard to figure. but what makes it worse, and totally irritating, is the complete lack of any coherent and honest explanation. seems that there are some folks on this board (me excluded) who are pretty sharp, and perhaps could and might be willing to contribute in a manner which might move this along (certainly, there are such people out there in the real world). even if that is not viable, just the courtesy of a real explanation as to what has happened/is the status, would seem to be minimum humanity deserved - MEL (or someone on Mel's behalf), REALLY, is just that too much to ask? \
anyone have any ideas how to generate that, so we can at least get closure even if that is all there is? otherwise, this needlessly continues to drain positive energy from us all - energy which could be put to better use (and we could stop kicking innocent dogs - that's figurative, not literal, peta folks).
i know, the rote response is - "we can't reveal confidential info/developments, because it may hurt ongoing negotiations" (horse hockey).
laz
well, per our board and outside comment:
+ popcorn is a relatively healthy snack even popular in india (world's 2nd most populous country)
+ the machines are great machines (according to any reviews)
+ there is a demand for the product
+ this stock is value waiting to happen
+ only thing lacking is a ceo/board with some business acumen and and interest, with enough financial respect to obtain minimal financing to get production and shipment going (perhaps loan partially convertible to equity - some risk, but we're not talking billions here)
if mel is doing nothing, his shares might be picked up for peanuts - something is better than nothing to him, and this venture moved along - it is all in place, including vehicle for manufacturing/distribution
+ and, there is no bankruptcy (just thought i would throw that in)
laz
(all of this begs the questions - what in the hell has happened and what in the hell has mel been doing? i would like to know the truth just from a curiosity standpoint - we all got sucked in on this very logical portrayal. any one really know? MEL?)
naw, not filing BK is neutral; why spend the money (whose money?) unless there is something to protect - if there is nothing, most of the time nothing is done; lawsuits, phone calls, inquiries go unanswered, and orders go unfilled. sound familiar?
sadly (but with yet an illogical glimmer), laz
well, i gave you guys the weekend, and some got it partially right. ellis was an actor - but what i was looking for was in reference to our board member who has given us some recent relevant posts - ellis played the character referred to as the "thin man" in the 1934 movie of the same name (think the more famous actors in the movie were william powell and myrna loy). anyway, just passing the time awaiting "soon", with a little, mostly irrelevant trivia.
laz
i am hoping for the latter, but i also hope to purchase a winning lottery ticket. and, for those of you playing the edward ellis game, i will reveal the connection later - might as well have some fun while we wait for the arrival of "soon".
laz
you know, good catch nick. as my tequila driven mind is recalling, in each of the past couple of years we had a big (in relative terms) volume bounce about this time of year. could be coincidence, could be fiscal year or quarterly tax planning, could be for pleasuring the sadistic puppets of this empire, or it could be that our friend edward ellis, who just posted, is right (now, you all get extra credit if you get that connection).
laz
nick, masc - you have anything?
laz
is it "soon" yet?
laz
i think what you said will soon come to be what they said what will be that they said when they said what they said the very first time.
laz
dsu, unfortunately, time may now be confirming that yours is quite a cogent post. the folks who use the pinkie form to scam good faith investors count on the fact that the regulators will not spend the time or effort to regulate or confirm or pursue violations unless there is some material political or personal incentive also present, which most of the time is entirely unrelated to the fact of the impropriety. initially, here dd would not necessarily have revealed that things would have developed as they have up to this point, since there appeared to have been assets, a credible plan, etc., etc. the story is becoming apparent only after a significant unfolding of time; and for early investors (like many of us), by the time that "soon" did not come, it was too late to recoup. if this is a scam (again, even now we are only making more educated speculations, since we do not have all info - i dont have proof, so cannot make any allegations), part of the "plan" would also seem to be reliance on the second principle of pinkie con artists - that the investors who are screwed will also do nothing about it, because it would require an additional expenditure with no guarantee of success or return, there is difficulty in collectibility even if successful in obtaining validation, and the relative amount of most pinkie purshaser's initial investment does not justify throwing "good money after bad." so, off they go into the sunset to capture their next group of fish. that is, if this is a scam (we are all hoping it is not - all hoping for that rabbit to pop out of the hat, eh?). continued glta, laz
very clever/witty, wud. best thing i've read on this board in a while (there are certainly no new facts about the product).
laz
yup, broke i am. could just be another squirrel on the grill, or bucket of krill.
laz
right - "soon" eh? time for my bi-annual, irrelevant comment (not to be confused with legal advice - i have given that in the past - it does not help - but hey, what you are entitled to do, and what is practical for you to do, are sometimes very different things).
in general, most of us who have been around for a while have our own opinions as to why this is where it is, and where it is going or not going, and who is to blame (other than ourselves). i have mine - i have nothing to back it up except for the fact that i have not just fallen off the turnip truck, since we are not privvy to enough real facts to actually know what is really going on.
we continue to get no hard facts, no proof of action, no complete explanation of inaction, no rational expanation for things which seem to be irrational or simply contrary to the interest of the company (as opposed to r.p. and others). this is no revelation - we all know this - we have know this for years. this has no relevance to the real world, except it is something we use as a factor to speculate (rightly or wrongly). this has nothing to do with the real world - it is the pink world.
in the real world - in life in general, how long would you continue to do business with someone who treats its associates the way PGPM shareholders have been treated? if you owned a company (which we do - in part) how long would you continue to employ someone who behaves the way the employees of this company behave with respect to its owners? ha! so what does that mean? who the f knows.
in any event, the problem is that we have no practical power (except to the extent we are independently willing to invest additional monies in getting to the bottom of the true details, or pursue remedies against those found to have done us and the company wrong). pinkie powers, both good and evil, know this.
re pgpm, whatever money we have put into this, they now have; they know they are not getting siginificantly more from most of us in the current state of affairs, and they seem to not be interested in raising more money conventionally - they are not making an effort to generate real or fantasy p.r., or other info which would bring in new investors (as r.p. once took the time to do).
so we are where we are - sitting (figuratively on the pot) and waiting (to see what comes out). can you guess? it is worse than sitting in a traffic jam, because we cannot turn off and take the back roads. even that doesn't necessarily get you to the destination sooner - it just makes you feel better because it makes you feel like you are moving. the time-to-time snippets we get from matt, r.p. or anyone, are really taking us out of the traffic jam, and leading us down the backroads - it doesn't really mean squat, but it makes us feel better for a while, because it makes us feel like we are moving (and it gives us something to talk about for a while).
So, either, they (matt, r.p., and entourage) are in the midst of trying (continuing to try) to get things straight and carry out their fiduciary duties to us, and make the company viable,
or, they they don't give a crap, and are doing whatever they feel will serve their individual needs (and dealing with us only to the extent they feel they need to in order to avoid someone getting ticked off enough to spend their money to pursue things).
either we will be "happy" with the ultimate result (as r.p. once said we would - "soon" whenever that is - obviously, soon must be relatively measured in terms of years), or we will ultimately be even more pissed.
like it or not, when you pare it down to its essence, and regardless of his explanation of why it is so for him, the bottom line of what nick says pretty much has universal application to all of us outsiders who have ponied up in reliance on the representations of the insiders - we wait to see what happens because we literally have no other practical choice. maybe we even hope a bit that any suspicions are misplaced (while we're at it, might as well throw in some hope for peace and love on earth, and for a winning lottery ticket - it can't hurt). we hold out "for the time being" like we have been holding out for a while - it is not new, it just is.
our grousing, hope, conjecture, negative comments, positive comments (unless you are a believer in the law of attraction, and actually believe with all of your might - like dorothy in the wizard of oz), etc., do nothing much more than serve as self-therapy and entertainment.
i mean really, would buying or unloading even 10 or 50 or 100 million shares at the current pps mean a rat's butt to anyone on the inside, or cut any significant losses for any investor - i think not - we are pretty much irrelevant. so, we wait and watch (and hope?), and get over being offended (but, don't forget).
anyway, that's enough, i hope everyone here has a day job and another life, and that the new year is treating you all well.
hey, i do have one question for anyone who has nothing better to do than read this to the bottom, where the hell is the elephant bar anyway?
laz
hi nick -
i am remote and have not tried lately - last week was ok. but, i cannot connect to the message board through instant bull any longer - must go to investors hub website. know anything about that? have a great holiday - and SOON, a new year even better than the last one (same to the long suffering board rats).
laz
hey nick - why can i not access a message board for pgpm on instant bull? did you get this?
laz
seriously - who buys $00.75 worth of stock (and why)?
actually, guess i could assign a share each to the entire population of alaska.
you think the clearance of acly for trading is a harbinger of things to come (either good or bad)? any thoughts?
anyway, the only positive indication that i see is that if it was me and i was hiding or perpetuating an ongoing scam, i never would have made the comments/posts made by matt over the past year. more a person spouts, more potential avenues of trouble he creates for himself. if it was all garbage, really the only purpose served that i can see would be an enjoyment of taunting/fulfillment of ego. certainly, there was no generationg of an upward move which would benefit insider dumping, and no downward move which would benefit insider acquisition, and to my knowledge, no forebearance by any regulators which was generated. generally, pinkie owners do not have enough invested for them to hire lawyers unless overt theft, and a viable source of recovery - don't know that either is present here.
i simply have no clue as to motives (good or bad), underlying intent (good or bad), or actual status, so can make no accusations - some of this crap has never made an sense to me from the beginning (other than initial capitalization) - usually there is some rationale - as to communications from matt/pgpm in the past year, i see none.
again, any thoughts? maybe the best move would be to request a paper certificate, and assign a share each to everyone i know, then we can all request our own certificates and paper the walls of our basements.
laz
hey masc - have there really been virtually no posts on the pgpm message board since 10/31 (other than mine asking why there are no posts)? i get nothing. what's going on there? just a dead cat (just curious). anything happening other than another missed deadline (surprise, surprise)? thanks.
laz
really - no posts for 3 days on the board? that is more worrysome than still waiting for the iceman to cometh "soon". (hey, someone even spent $120 today, up from $.75 last Thursday).
yo, matt - you still keeping an eye on the misfits? what is the word, the truth, the legend? obviously, this little shop of horrors needs a fix. "feed me".
laz
the information required is information they would have. the question is, why would they not timely report it. masc is right (though calm down); in a legit business deal, anything reported would have been provided to the other side via d.d. problems arise when what must be reported does not jive with what provided in d.d., or reps made to induce a deal, or there is an agreement not to disclose until "X". the former would present a major problem. either the entity they are working on a deal with gets pissed off because they were lied to, or the sec lowers the boom (well, in theory) if reports to them are false. the latter is workable, but we are talking about 2 years+, not just a couple of months, which makes you wonder. of course, it could just be that they cannot afford or don't want to spend the $1,000 required to assemble a report, because they drank away the petty cash at the elephant bar (or perhaps there would be other legit or skullduggery reasons, that we will know of "soon", eh?).
hey, in the 4 or 5 years I have been along for the ride, we are all still left with speculation, self-entertainment, new corporate routines and nothing else substantive. there has been some pretty good stuff on this board (unfortunately, little of it has come from the company); so, hope you all are still enjoying it.
glta,
laz
still, save those emails from mel; they could have some relevance some day. laz
hey, it's tomorrow! so, "soon" we should know something, eh?
laz
just check in once in a while now, so catch up on older posts that catch my interest - can tell if nothing happening when price sits, and trades are just bulk or zilch. so, here is my long serious post for the year (i am quite hurt by the fact that no one enjoyed the fable i posted the last week or so, born out of my own frustration).
"what could you charge him with" - depends on what he has done, if anything. if he is just a bad manager or poor soul - nothing. if he is spinning totally misleading p.r.'s, issuing company stock and making distributions to himself - fraud, conversion or the like. if he is selling his own stock and pocketing money, knowing that the company is washed up, not operating and fails to disclose - insider trading violations, fraud. if he is making distributions to himself rather than paying creditors when the company owes money to others, and in effect, is insolvent - there are state (federal i don't know about) business corporation laws which he would be violating (would likely require shareholder suits or involvement to get off ground).
not saying mel doing any of these things - i have no idea. he could just be a good idea man but a bad manager; third parties who want to steal the company/product could be thwarting him; he could have hired people or gone into a business arrangement with other bad managers, crooks or incompetents. he could have broken a mirror.
but if any ceo/principal owner is manipulating information and pocketing money as a result, arguably he is obtaining money under false pretenses in some form. there is fraud by misrepresentation and fraud by silence when there is a duty to disclose - but, it is a question of degree.
seems from my observations about pinkie stocks in general - the bad rap is that such things are done on a regular basis; the investors generally have limited $ investments that they realize they are gambling with (kind of like roulette in vegas). when a company doesn't hit after stock is pumped or just dumped by originator based upon creating intentionally false impression, no one will pony up to pursue the scum who has taken the money scam/scum owners and promoters rely on the fact that no one will pursue due to cost - this includes regulators (who have limited budgets and interest - unless enough complaint is raised, or the situation comes to public eye and there is political motivation beyond the $ value), attorneys (who take shareholder derivative suits on contingency, so want to know there is a good claim and the defendant is collectible), and shareholders/investors who just gripe and move on to the next spin of the wheel, while the scammer moves on to the next flock of pigeons - just like a movie. anyway, you see some of the same names over and over re-associating with new companies, apparently, without adverse consequence to them.
on the other hand, sometimes unfortunate events - death of a loved one, dementia, simple incompetence, outside predators, over-optimism and over leveraging under-estimated production costs, etc., prevent a great concept/product from succeeding in company A, when such might do so with company B. could be what happened here. unless there are more stringent reporting and disclosure requirements (minimal with this type of stock), the shareholders don't really know, and are left to speculate (e.g., this board)
anyway, i invested here because with a little dd(little knowledge is a dangerous thing, eh) this seemed like a good concept and product to me. there was a history, there was a legit company involved in manufacture; there was interest, etc., etc. - and of course, there was the whole wal-mart reference. started becomeing a bit skeptical when mad contact on behalf of local school boosters to see about getting machines in response to the school and placement program touted by company, and even after numerous attempts, never received a material reply.
figure the concept and product (if it is as touted - never have seen a working model) is still good, so there is always some outside chance that someone will push the right buttons. have lots of shares, but limited $ invested, so guess i would fall into the category of those who question and bemoan, but will not likely put up good money after bad if this whole thing was a ruse. just being honest, though don't feel good about it. on the other hand, who knows (maybe some day we will know the real story or even be made happy - not counting on it, though)?
my fingers are sore. later.
laz
Here is a DERANGED BUSINEE FABLE - TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND LEARN (LIKE IT DID FOR ME, IT MAY EXPLAIN SOME THINGS IN LIFE TO YOU).
once upon a time (just hypothetically of course), there lived our hero - let's call him king ceomel (or, just ceo for short). as a result of a series of unfortunate events and lifestyle choices (too many to mention) his small kingdom of company (for your family, feel free to use whatever name you want - my children like "the kingdom of flop and flow"), could no longer support his quests and lifestyle (hey, castles, feasts and wenches are expensive). his knights could no longer interest barons and ladies from far away lands in sending ceo money or jewels, not even in return for the small pieces of his kingdom or promises of treasure pictured in beautifully prepared scrolls. they could not even convince fellow kings and queens to continue to loan him money. his peers stopped visiting, because his wine was without body, and his chariot was last year's model.
so, king ceo had to come up with a plan; he did. even though individually, they did not have as much individual wealth as a baron or duke, there were many more commoners in number than there were aristocrats or royalty, and collectively, they had coins and livestock worthy of consideration (peasants did not own land back then, so that was not a consideration). every peasant secretly wanted to be titled - be a land owner, have a kettle of his own. so, ceo, would elevate commoners to persons of title in the kindgom of company, promise them a kettle of corn, wealth and power, just in return for their some small purses and/or livestock. ceo would even give to each contributing commoner, a parchment bearing the seal of the kingdom, and proclaiming them titled persons with shares of the kingdom's vast property (such shares to be commensurate with the value of the purses they contributed, of course). He sent forth his knights, far and wide, armed with many copies of his scroll and many parchments, proclaiming this offer, this granting of their wishes. the knights brought home more wealth - peasants threw at the knights bags of gold and herds of cattle comprising their total fortunes - and the kingdom was saved - for a bit.
however, more powerful kingdoms became concerned, especially the kingdom of kal, where ceo kept a small summer castle. they were not concerned that ceo would not keep his promises - they knew this. after all, the promises were only made to commoners, and kal and the other kingdoms also made many unkept promises (for a good example, see the chronicles of conan the 1st, last governator of kal). rather, the ministers of kal and the other kingdoms did not like ceo taking money from their own subjects - money that kal (and the other kingdoms), wished to reserve for payment of their own taxes to fund their own castles and feasts.
and, they especially did not like the fact that ceo was taking large purses of money from their subjects of lower means and station. this was not because the other ministers and rulers were altruistic or concerned with protecting the commoners (though they told their subjects that this was the case in order to keep them happy and hard-working). rather, they were most concerned that if ceo kept taking money from their subjects, kal and the other kingdoms would each then have to spend their own treasure to care for (or dispose of) their own commoners and serfs as they grew older and less productive. they did not want this - that would cut into their balls (the musical kind, not the physiological kind), hunts and vacations. so, they banded together, and in the name of kal, issued a decree that ceo must stop, or there would be war and lots of flagellation.
ceo stopped, of course. war was expensive. and, most people (although there are exceptions - which is another story not meant for the children) do not like to be "flagelled" - that used to be a word - now pretty much everyone just says flogged. besides, kal and the other kingdoms told ceo that if he stopped now, he could keep the large purses he had already accumulated with no further penalty, and could still obtain smaller sums of money from the commoners, a little at a time, rather than great gobs all at once. you see, back then really the only ones who cared about the commoners were the commoners themselves (and of course, saint barok, but saint barok lived far away and had his own problems).
ceo and his knights consulted; there was a lot of murmuring. how would ceo maintain the kingdom now? finally, ceo came up with another plan. they could cheaply hire monks to make many more copies of the kingdom of company scroll and many company parchments. there were still many commoners and even lesser dukes, such as his brother-in-law earl, who had purses. there were still countless people who liked scrolls promising dreams. so, they would just send out far and wide, a scroll containing tidings and news and rumors of tidings and news to more people. they did so. to the kingdom of kal, to the kingdoms of nd and sd (sometimes called dacoatas), even to the kingdom of jerseyshore. they did not ask for large purses for a single parchment. they asked only for small purses in return for many, many company parchments.
the people were thrilled. coins and livestock poured in to ceo. the feasts continued; the castle was saved; the wenches stayed on - for a time.
but then, the commoners and peasants started making crowd noises. while they were initially satisfied with their many parchments, they began wondering when they would receive their titles and riches and kettled of corn promised in the scrolls? apparently, the kettles were shown, the riches were spoken of, but there was no mention of "when." since there were no titles and riches to be distributed, and since castle upkeep, feast and wench expenses continued, ceo and his knights were again faced with a major problem. they tried more murmuring but no solution. the situation was dire. so, a desparate ceo laid off the knights, and brought in the great wizard, ponzi the clever.
after burning some patchouli incense, drinking plenty of mead, and impressing ceo with a few card tricks, ponzi pocketed a hefty fee, and left with ceo's favorite bovine. as he was leaving, ponzi began talking - fast. what ceo had failed to realize, is that although he had created a beautiful scroll and beautiful parchments to copy and offer to the commoners, even the commoners were growing tired of and grousing about the same old scroll which was not coming true. what ceo needed was a bakers gaggle (14) new scrolls which would not come true, each with its own fable - each a new fable within a fable, to confuse the commoners, generate more purses and livestock, and buy some time in order to do both.
ponzi vanished outside the door, but then, stuck his head back in, saying ceo must be careful not to send out all of the new scrolls at once, because once each was read by a commoner, it would lose its magic by the coming of the next new moon. if all scrolls were opened and read at once, in the space of only one moon, ceo would again begin hearing murmurs from the commoners, and within 3 moons, would be out of cash flow again. so, ceo must send out one scroll at a time - no more than one scroll every 10 fortnights, and must make a lot of parchments (commoners loved parchments). ponzi again vanished. but in the distance, ceo hear him call, "and save your coins you idiot, and send them to the island kingdom of kaymen or to the floating kingdom of offshore for safekeeping - this is your last shot - thanks for the cow." then, ponzi was gone.
ceo hired the best artists and storytellers, and one muse (ceo's son seldom smiled and wanted to be a-mused). they created many, many, many, many more parchments (that's a whole lot, folks) and 14 new scrolls. but, ceo thought, well, ponzi said only scroll one at a time, but i need more money quickly, so i'll send out several within the next fortnight.
he did so - sending out 5 scrolls in the first moon alone. many commoners and peasants who had their local friar read them the scrolls, were overwhelmed and gave ceo many small purses in return for countless parchments. the kingdom was saved, for a bit. and, ceo was careful to send much wealth to the island of kaymen and to offshore for the several years to come (the kingdom was much cheaper to operate with the knights laid off).
but, ponzi was right. too much knowledge too quickly was a dangerous thing - especially when peasants were involved. also, more peasants meant more questions, like "where is our kettles of corn (peasants use bad grammar), and when do we get more cattle and livestock and kettles of corn, and why are people calling me dupe instead of duke?" (peasants have limited vocabulary)
and, more questions meant more murmuring, which made the kings, queens and ministers in the other kingdoms more nervous and again, and possibly threatening - there was renewed talk of flagellation. royalty and ministers hate murmuring.
so, with 9 scrolls remaining, ceo slowed things down as he should have done in the first place. he sent out a new scroll explaining delays, and talking about many possible alliances which would bring the commoners even greater wealth, including a possible alliance with the most mighty walled kingdom of mart. several moons later, he sent out a scroll advising that other kingdoms across the great sea also wanted kettles of corn, for which they would pay ceo money which he would hold for the peasants (but this would delay the peasant's receipt of their own kettles). another scroll advised that ceo's alchemists had created a new and improved corn kettle, but it would take longer for the smiths to forge. there was less murmuring and as a result, and the other ministers and royalty turned their attention to other more significant things, such as trying to find the rumplestiltskin guy to make them some gold.
more purses continued to arrive; more parchments were delivered to more commoners (the monks made so many parchments, that they wore there fingers into small nubs). then the purses slowed to a trickle; by this time, ceo realized the end was near. a scroll regarding kettles of corn which were purportedly going to be sent sometime to the new kingdom of delhee was sent to the masses; there was murmuring of approval, and 3 more significant purses were even sent to ceo, but there were no more scrolls. in a fortnight, the peasants who had given purses for parchment based on the the first scrolls (and maybe even on the fifth and 13th scrolls) were now angrily murmuring. the kingdom of kal was very unhappy, and the wenches had long since left.
the end.
epilogue - you ask what else happened? nothing. by the time the kingdom of cal or the ministers of sec (grumbling all the while about their own lack of purses) assembled warriors to confront ceo, and maybe even recover some token purses to quiet the disgruntled commoners, ceo was gone. they arrived at his castle, to discover only a dried up moat, a cracked corn kettle (the older model), and discarded parchments.
for a time, there was much wringing of hands, pointing of fingers and wailing of threats as to the flagelling of ceo if he was ever found - he was flagelled in effigy in sokal. but, he never was found. for as ponzi had also advised him,
"leave when things get bad and you have squeezed the last chicken from the last peasant. commoners will not invest more purses or livestock to chase you down, and the royalty will not do it for the commoners (they are royalty too, and to not want to set a precedent). the commoners will just dream fitfully at night about titles and wealth, and eventually just spend more coins they do not have on yet other scrolls with new and improved promises and parchments (just as they had done on the sacred scrolls of lord made-off - who had also consulted with ponzi the clever, but forgot the leaving part - that is also another story).
sweet dreams,
laz
(copyright- by a/k/a lazlotrade, 2011)
well, price can't go much lower (yeah, i know, there is always a r/s, etc.). but mel, just in case you read any of this, maybe now would be a good time to treat your shareholders to some simple, good old-fashioned integrity? what is really happening, what is really in the works, what is the hold-up, what is the game plan, what is the time-table (you know, like a real company and a real man would give to people who put money and faith up for you in reliance on their word)? folks can take the truth a lot better than continued crap or hiding, and really, it is a lot easier. it will make you feel better, and really, we kind of deserve it, too. just a crazy thought about doing the right thing, but i'm probably just pissing in the wind (hopefully, with the wind).
laz
yeah, i think losing money based upon promises not kept is hilarious. maybe hbo can do a new comedy series with that as a storyline - they can call it "soon". nothing substantive to talk about because nothing substantive justifying reliance has come down the pike from the mother ship in a generation, so we are left to pretty much meaningless speculation, grousing or humor. talking the talk is no substitute for walking the walk. how about a constitutional, matt, rp, anyone?
laz
80 million at current price is only $8,000. you would think that if mel wants the money, he could think of a better way to maximize return. maybe that is the production cost of the machine which was supposed to be shipped to india. arghh!
laz
wow - all the news that fits is on this board (guess it's because when you get down to it, boards are made of wood).
laz
thanks, i can finally exhale (have gotten pretty blue after all of these years).
laz
just checking in (by the way, i did a little checking for any relevant activity or buzz about our company - nothing in any way verifiable or material, but then again, i am not in with the in crowd).
is there no new news or conjecture? is there no more interest? is there no more illusion? if a message is posted but no one is there to read it, does it exist? does it matter? or, is it just another d.d., s.o.s.?
if there no one at home, will anyone be home SOON?
laz