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Proof? Yes. Right here. Plus, read the board for more people that are concerned. R U saying that nobody on this board is concerned?
If so, you must not be reading many posts.
((no concern here. can you elaborate on those shareholders who are concerned ? better yet, can you provide proof of concerned shareholders ?))
I find your post very funny, though. You want proof of concerned shareholders on a PS stock?
Ha ha. Open your eyes and you'll see all the proof you need.
I agree.
((whether or not beebe signs a final deal with RNVO aside, i think the RNVO *shell* will be better off with carnes getting rid of the debt and holding as much stock percentage wise as possible. no RNVO shareholders want to hear that, but i dont see how he can get that thing sold otherwise.))
I could care less about RNVO shareholders. Sorry. But I am not one and if they get screwed they get screwed. That is the nature of the markets.
My concern is PHGI, and what happens to every dollar we invest in it.
Yes, I know bebee Pr'd they wanted to buy a clean shell. That is not my point.
The point is RNVO is far from clean and bebee had to be aware when he PR'd that a deal was close that RNVO increased the shares to such a huge extent.
Bebee is not shy about speaking up. He earlier said he wanted a clean shell, but he now has shareholders very concerned as he has NOT spoken up and said anything to the effect that they will not buy RNVO if it is not clean or say anything concerning the plan to clean up RNVO.
This is alarming since bebee is not shy about speaking up and it would not be inside info to PR that they will not buy rnvo if it is not clean or PR that RNVO WILL be cleaned before they buy it.
As far as hammering him I do not see things your way. Look how far the PPS has fallen. Look at the vision works mess and I dont care how hard he worked to clean up that mess, he never should have gotten involved in that mess to begin with. Did him cleaning up the vision works mess cause the PPS to rise? No. This is a CEO who posts on public message boards, PM's people with ridiculous junk if they say anything negative and does deals with shammy people/companies.
As a CEO of a Publicly Traded Company his actions are supposed to be scrutinized. If I scrutinize Bill Gates over his moves he makes with MSFT, I sure as heck am going to scrutinize the actions of a PS CEO. Especially one that has done all of the above.
I have been saying that Bebee needs to shut up and simply prove he is building viable businesses that will pay off for shareholders, but now I think he very much needs to speak up in regards to this latest set of issues with RNVO.
What I know about equities is this. Words mean nothing. Actions mean nothing. The only thing that matters is can shareholders invest and walk away with a profit. I will be the first to admit his words sound encouraging. His actions in regards to cleaning up the vision works mess were excellent. Yet the great words and great actions have not resulted in gains for shareholders. So far, all that has happened to anybody investing in PHGI is seeing large losses forcing people to realize they either need to average down and possibly throw more cash in to a burning fire or realize that this will have to rise an astronomical amount just to get back to even.
But getting back to hammering the CEO. IMO, he brought this on himself. Perhaps if he delivered profits instead of huge losses and did not put himself on the shammy list by working the MB's as he did, he would not get hammered.
Getting in bed with people like carnes does not help either imo. Especially after he got in bed with the AAstrom/Vision works mess. Kind of shows me he didnt learn very much the first time he got in bed with shammy people/companies.
It appears to be a repeat of the vision work fiasco bebee bought in to.
((where's the issue here?))
IMO, bebee should announce he will not buy the shell if it is not 100% clean as you say.
It is alarming to see them PR that they intend to complete the LOI and enter in to a definative agreement and then assets (which ones??) from PHGI will be transferred to the new shell. Then right after the PR we see that RNVO has a lot of debt, no asstes, but they raise the shares to a very large number.
I do not see how this is RNVO cleaning up the shell before selling it. It looks far more like carnes is going to milk this for every penny he can get and then sell a huge mess to bebee. That is how I see it and until bebee makes a public comment on his plans with RNVO now that we see more of a mess then before, that is the only way for me to view it.
Bebee is not shy about speaking up. IMO, he should PR RIGHT AWAY that he will NOT buy the RNVO shell unless it is 100% cleaned up. He owes that to shareholders imo.
If the plan was to only buy the shell if it was clean, I highly suspect he would have already said that. As it stands, unless I havent seen additional news, all anybody knows is assets from PHGI will be transferred to the RNVO shell and that they PR'd a deal was close to being finalized, and that RNVO is a shell with no assets and heavy debt and just increased the shares to a number so high I cant count the zero's.
But no word from bebee except to say RNVO can do whatever they want while they still own it? Why hasn't he come forward to state they will not touch RNVO if it is not clean and will look to purchase a different shell that is clean if the RNVO shell is not?
So he is buying a shell with these kinds of issues and there is nothing Mr. Bebee can do about it?
What does that say about Mr. Bebee? Why would he buy a shell that is a complete mess and Carnes can do whatever he wants to make it an even bigger mess that Mr. bebee will have to deal with?
He already inherited a huge mess. Did he not learn anything the first time?
Just what PHGI needs. More inherited messes. More issues. More confusion.
And Mr. Bebee is planning to move the asssets of PHGI in to this new inherited mess?
((JHB has no control over Carnes and RNVO...))
How is your vacation going?
Would you expect shells to have income? No. That is why they are a shell.
The key is when the shell is filled, will it be filled with a company that will produce revenue/profits. We do not yet know the answer to that yet, but who in their right mind expects an empty shell to have revenue?
I never said this was a scam.
I have said I have a lot of questions and I am skeptical. I have said some things appear shammy, but that goes along with being a PS stock.
I don't know what your motive is but I am not here to bash. I am here because I want to see if this will be the 1 or 2 out of 10 PS gambles that pay off bigtime or is it one of the other 8 or 9 that fail to deliver profits to shareholders.
Green is good. Better then red. Pretty low volume so I don't think stock is under a short attack or they are diluting. If either was happening, I would think volume would be far higher.
((Change: +0.0004(+2.41%) Volume: 245.64 k ))
IMO, Turik wishes he was in hiding as this is not looking like it is going to turn out very good for him or the company.
Crooks belong in jail.
IF Turik is found to be a crook, I hope he gets a long stay in jail.
Somebody needs to put a stop to these shammy PS CEO's who rape and pillage their company and shareholders.
Have a GR8 Vacation.
PR
I'll try again to respond to your post.
((I know better then to believe PR's from PS companies until I see the proof.
Everybody knows that PS companies pump out bogus PR's. Not saying PHGI is, but it is certainly the norm, not the exception for PS companies to do this.
For instance, you mentioned the radio station and how much you listen to it and love it.
Yet in PR's, it says that PHGI is involved in advanced communications.
Is this not just a little and obscure AM radio station? How is this advanced communications?
It certainly could not be the company trying to make it sound better then it really is, could it? Na, no PS company would ever do that would they?
So, we have a company that is going to make it big in gold, alternative fuels and advanced communications, amongst other things as well?
Why no answer to the poster who questioned what happened to all of the employee's?
The plant in OPP was supposed to be up and running by Jan 08. They dont have much time left and it is supposed to be a huge plant that will employ a lot of people. Has single brick been layed down or are they still clearing the leaves off of the road?
Todays PR sounds great to most. Not to me. They will be transfering many assets to this shell according to the PR. I sure hope people dont go to sleep owning free trading PHGI shares and then wake up to see they now hold restricted shares under then new company name. I have seen this happen way too many times and until I see with my own eyes that all of their moves will benefit shareholders, I will remain skeptical.
Ever notice how many PS companies make promises but never deliver? Ever notice how most of these PS MB's have people claiming how real and legit company xxxxxx is and they ridicule anybody that claims otherwise. And 9 out of 10 times, the company does not deliver and all the people saying how great the company will be are sitting with huge losses and lots of egg on their face? Is this not a concern?
Will this happen with PHGI? I dont know. But as long as they are a PS and until they uplist and show shareholder value/profits, I will remain skeptical.))
Exactly. As of right now this is only a PS stock and nothing more. As I have said before, they have so many different businesses and different deals announced that makes it very hard to figure out how they will put all of this together and how will it effect shareholders once corporate changes are made.
It certainly seems odd that we own a radio station but also are an alternative energy company. How are they related? How do they mesh? How does a PS company get involved with so many different things and how often do we see a PS stock succeed in this manner?
Go to almost any PS MB and they are all the same. They all claim they are going to do this that and the other, but rarely does it ever happen.
Until Mr. Bebee proves this is legit and does the uplisting of ALL companies, takes care of giving shareholders their canadian entity and all other promises made, this is a PS stock with grande promises that we may or may not see come to fruition. Additionaly, people need to see how their money/shares will be effected with all of these deals. I have seen far too many PS stocks claim that the deal will benefit shareholders only to see shareholders get the royal screw job.
I am not saying this will happen, but it certainly is possible. Today you own xxxxxx number of shares of free trading PHGI. After the corporate changes, it may work out great or people may be stuck with restricted shares of a different named company. I have seen this occur way too many times to say it cant happen here as well.
Like I also said before, I think this would easily be at .05 - .10 or higher by now had the CEO never started to post on MB's and slam people with PM's showing he is glued to the MB's. I remember when he first started several MB's here on IHUB in one day. I think IHUB shut some of them down. But what is a CEO who seemingly has many, many deals on his plate doing setting up multiple message boards??
I know A LOT of people that either decided not to buy or they dumped as soon as they saw the CEO doing this.
If Mr. Bebee is so smart he should know what effect that would have on the stock and what stigma would then be attached to it. By setting up multiple message boards and pm'ing people as he has, he left him and the company open for some harsh but justified criticisms imo.
He is also predicting a very dire future for equities and admits that PS and OTC's will get hit the hardest. This is his own opinions he posted on his blog. But will his companies be immune to the dire future he predicts?
I agree with Mr. Hughes. The CEO should stop with the MB's and get all of these deals done.
Until then and until we see gains for shareholders, promises and words mean nothing, as evidenced by the plumetting of the PPS and the fact even great news does nothing to raise the PPS.
(("It's confusing to understand what exactly this company plans to sell/ provide and what it sees itself as."))
No, I am saying it is not worth me spending one dime to go and visit the company, but yes, I would be interested in hearing about others that have visited.
Would I rely on that information? NO. But I still would like to hear what others discoverd on their visit and I can then dismiss it is being Bullspit or accept it as being good info.
Are you telling me you would not want to hear what somebody else has to say that went to visit? You certainly do not have to believe or act on anything somebody says, but surely you would want to at least hear about the visit and then form your own conclusion?
PQL even stated that if I go to visit I should post about it here as the board would be eager to see what I have to say. Yet according to your logic that would mean NOBODY wants to do their own DD and they ALL will rely on the info I got from my visit. That sir or maam, is ridiculous imo.
Are you invested in PHGI? But you would not be interested in even hearing about another persons visit?
Who resigned? Was any answer given?
TIA/PR
Good points. We have all witnessed many promises from PS companies. Most of which are never fullfilled. IF/when they complete the uplsting, then maybe this can attract some buyers and provide actual gains for those that are long.
Far too many people have been burned by promises coming from PS companies. People are being far more crtical before believing words. People want to see results and gains, not words and promises with a PPS that wont move.
The problem I have is that right now nobody has a clue what will happen to your money/shares you invest in the company. They have how many companies now? All of these many deals in the works. At first they were only going to uplist this, but then they changed and said they are going to uplist that and the other as well. Canadian entities and etc.
Until they uplist and investors can see how all of the corporate changes will effect their money/shares in the current PHGI, nobody has a clue if they are taking a good chance gamble or a very high risk one.
This is a CEO who uses MB's to communicate which imo, is not a good sign. He has so many different deals popping up, but so little info on how it will effect current PHGI shareholders.
Until we know all details and know how all of these corporate changes will effect current shareholders, this is very high risk imo. I have seen so many pinkies throw out promises and never deliver, I have to be skeptical until I see the promises getting fullfilled. PS companies are famous for saying they are going to reward shareholders with a divy or some spin off and etc. More times then not shraeholders never see these rewards, they only see broken promises and losses.
IMO, Mr. Bebee needs to back up his I want to be transparent talk and start actually doing it. I realize these things take time and can be complicated, but he has no problem pushing these promises while keeping very critical info private. How can one buy PHGI today and have any clue if it is a good gamble when so many corporate changes are to occur, yet we have no clue how it will effect our current money/shares.
Mr. Bebee, UPLIST and inform shareholders how we will be effected. Until then, your words mean nothing and your PM's mean even less. PROVE this is for real and nobody will have to worry about buying higher and missing the boat. IF everything he says is legit, you will be able to buy this at $1 and that will still be cheap.
But until you back up your words and prove your words to be accurate, it is nothing but hot air imo.
I still think it smells very odd that he can put pics on the website, but refuses to supply the pics and video that most really want to see. If he had them and if it proved they were legit, most know he would go out of his way to make sure as many people see these pics and video as possible. Or is he holding back good info until he and other insiders are done buying?
((PQL, I dont think if there is any need to visit the mine. IMO if John wants to prove anything he must complete the merger. Once on BB most people will trust him...there will be no need to uploading videos on Youtube or organizing mine trips. Not bacuse I own RVNO, but this is the best way to get investors invest in your company.
Since John and Steve knew each other, done bussiness toghether (?), I would assume that the merger will go through. If the merger doesnt go through, that means both are scammers IMO... simple as that. Good luck to you all. ))
No it wouldn't. I do not buy the excuse that he wont take pics or provide video and instead tells people to come and see in person. He knows most will not come and visit. Meanwhile, he has no problem putting a pic(s) of the road on the website along with other stuff.
((But new pictures would certainly help investor confidence. That's shouldn't be too much to ask.))
It smells very odd to me that he does have pics on the website, but then tells people he wont provide pics or video and people need to come and visit instead.
This is a CEO who claims he wants to be transparent. Wants to prove to the investing world that what he has is real, legit and a good investment. If he had great pics and video to prove everything is as he claims it is, you know very well he would be making sure those pics and videos were seen by everybody.
Am I the only one who seems something very odd with this picture?
Nope. Maybe if I was in the neighborhood I would go and take a look. I do not invest large amounts of money (large may be small to some and huge to others and vice versa) in PS stocks.
They are merely here to gamble on. Very high risk, but with possible very nice rewards. Most PS companies fail and bring nothing but losses to shareholders but if you play 10 and only nail one right, it can dwarf the losses of the other 9.
I would never invest a huge amount or any amount I cant afford to lose in any PS stock. So, a 100% waste of time and money to go visit them. Now, if I was going to do a PP with them or get involved other then playing it as a gamble, obviously I would spend quite a bit of time with the company.
Since Mr. Bebee extends this invite out to anybody, surely somebody has taken him up on it and gone and visted.
Yet where are these people? Why don't we have people posting pics and videos from their visit?
Has anybody gone and visted them? If so, why no proof?
One more thing. I forgot the poster. I think it was Mr. Hughes. Said that Mr. Bebee's past success is all the proof we need to see. I thought we already covered this subject. Yes, he has had successes in the past. But guess what? he has also had failures as well. I see no reason to only harp on his past successes while ignoring any of his past failures.
((if you want to fly to utah and see it with your eyes, contact beebe and arrange it.
let us know if you plan to. should answer a lot of your questions.))
That sounds good.
May I ask if you personally have gone and seen everything with your own 2 eyes?
Anybody else?
Time to go get the kids. Have a GR8 night.
Fair enough.
I do agree. Actions do speak louder then words.
I myself do not like the actions of a CEO who sends out ridiculous PM's.
I have decided not to post his PM's anywhere as although I can, I dont want people to think I am short or have a hidden agenda as some other negative people seem to have. But rest assured, I don't think anybody would run out and buy PHGI stock if they read these PM's and knew they came from the CEO of the company.
His actions in his PM's to me and others I have read speak very loudly imo.
I agree. Why buy when you can lease and write it off, instead of laying out a ton of cash for equip. that will only lose value over time? So no problem there. I really don't care if they buy or lease, that is for management to decide.
The road is supposedly cleared by now. I am not as interested in the road as I am in the PR's that stated they were doing this or that, which will enable them to produce immediately, but they are not putting off the other projects. This just gets them in to production and shipping mode right away. It has been some time since that news, so I would love to see more then just a road being cleared. I could do that with my Bobcat and 1 or 2 helpers.
I remember that PR. So, I assume Mr. Bebee can at least provide pictures of this equipment at work on one of their projects?
If so, why hasn't he?
Do you not find it a bit odd that a CEO is glued to message boards and he replies to people with concerns or negative sounding posts and all he ever says is he is allowed to both read and post on MB's as is anybodies right, but he never addresses any of the persons concerns or questions?
I find that quite odd myself. Why would a ceo waste time ranting on about how he can post or read MB's whenever he wants, but he never addresses any questions or concerns?
I am still trying to figure out how a CEO with so many different businesses he is trying to get off the ground has so much time to both read MB's and send out so many PM's to people when he has so much else to do. Every PM I have gotten from him always starts out something like I was just taking a break and saw your post or I am eating lunch and just saw your post, yet he replies to A LOT of people via PM and he does so very soon after the post hits the MB's, proving he spends A LOT of time on the MB's and his excuse that he just happened to see a post as he was taking a break is horse poop imo.
And as a CEO with a lot on his plate, I would think if he was going to send out PM's they would be of some value. Maybe answer some concerns or questions instead of simply ranting about his rights to post on MB's.
Do you find this odd?
Last CEO I recall that used the MB's was the slimeball from SLJB. That didnt turn out too well. I hope Mr. Bebee knows what he is doing.
You are aware this is a link to a model?
((.....mining shovel and bucket.....
http://www.engineeringwithabs.ch/b495hf.htm))
I sure hope PHGI has real equipment as I dont think the batteries in the remote control will last long enough to scoop a square yard of dirt or anything else ;>)
I sure hope you were joking when you posted this. I hope they have real equipment and are not using toys ;>)
Are they? Can anybody verify that they own real equipment that will do what they need it to do. They sure need a lot of different equipment and with all the talk of producing immediately, I have to assume they are currently in possession of this equipment. However, I must then question why Mr. Bebee hasn't at least posted pictures of any equipment they have or even a short video of equipment at work.
I know Mr. Bebee reads every post so I will expect to see pictures of real equipment at work, verified that it is their equipment working on their projects. If not, I will have no choice but to assume they dont have the equipment. If they did, Mr. Bebee could really prove this is indeed legitimate by posting pics/video. If he doesn't, I must ask why?
This is a CEO who claims he wants full transparency. Well then, get off the message boards, stop sending ridiculous PM's to so many people with no information and prove this is all legit. A few pics and a video, verified to either be theirs or in their possession and currently at work should be very easy for him to provide.
Who cares who the source is? The only thing that should matter is if there is any truth to it or not.
I say there is a lot of truth to it. These rumors are the same ones many of us heard a long time ago. IMO, they are slowly becoming a reality and coming to light and those that ignore this and instead focus on where the rumor(s) originated from will look up one day and wonder why the stock is at .0005 and will wish they had paid more attention when stock was still above a penny.
All in my opinion.
You get a very high grade from me due to your honesty. It would have been real easy for you to pump instead and try to sell your shares higher, but as a person of integrity, you are calling it as you see it, and right now you now see this to be a sham and you appear to have pretty good sources and DD to back up your claims.
Congrats to you for your honesty. As I said, you could have said nothing and probably pumped a bit so you could sell higher, but you did not do that. Good for you. If others are upset with you, I suspect one day they will see you were 100% correct and feel like fools for doubting you.
You are just now seeing what many of us saw a long time ago. Sorry you didn't see this whan PPS was far higher, but at least you saw it before it's possible drop to the .000's.
IMO, AURC will either be gone or will be in the hundreths sometime in the not too distant future.
All in my opinion of course.
Agree 100%.
((There needs to be a more formal system in place to complain about and remove board moderators.
Posters should be allowed to vote for/against any board moderator - with cause. Becoming a board mod should not be automatic.... imo))
Got your PM SERF. Where and how am I to contact you then? You are the main mod of that particular board, but the law has already been stated that we cannot post about moderators actions on that board.
I am reading a copy of my deleted post and I do not see a TOU violation anywhere and it certainly was on topic! Meanwhile the mod is busy comparing a very troubled penny stock with MSFT, DELL and Toyota?? She is trying to be slick about it, but even Tax Man see's her manipulation in that regard. I mean, it is pretty obvious ;>)
IMO, that is a HUGE IF. IMO, I think dilution will be massive. Massive dilution will make it very hard for them to ever make any money for shareholders. Insiders should still do very well however. The more they dilute, the more insiders will make at the expense of shareholders imo.
(( these products sell and revenue streams in along with any other real merger news that doesn't dilute signifigantly, we could see a winner emerge.))
The company is looking to raise capital. If you love pavc and it's future prospects why would anybody even buy the stock on the open market when they can do a PP with the company at a steep discount to market?
Has anybody done a PP with them? If not, why not? If you think PAVC is going much higher, doing a PP with them would be the way to go. Has anybody even contacted then to see what terms they are willing to offer or how much they are willing to negotiate? If I owned shares long, I would certainly be contacting the company to find out how cheap they are willing to give shares away for in order to get their hands on some cash.
I'm still lost. First you say you are comparing LEGITIMATE businesses. Now you are saying you are comparing successful businesses.
PAVC has not yet proven that they are legitimate or successful. In fact, if one went on the facts we currently have on hand, the only conclusion is they are FAR from being successful.
So again, I think it is ridiculous saying PAVC is legitimate and/or successful until they prove they are and even more ridiculous to put them in the same sentance as successful businesses such as Toyota, Dell and MSFT.
Track, does it not make more sense to compare apples to apples? You are comparing apples to hand grenades which have about as much in common with each other as PAVC does with toyota, dell and msft.
This is a speculative, yet to be proven company, with many, many serious issues. And it should be compared with other like companies in the same shoes as they are. Comparing PAVC with other LEGITIMATE and SUCCESSFUL businesses is a 100% waste of time and very misleading, imo.
((pointing out the fact that businesses, successful businesses change their plans/strategies to be flexible with market conditions...and I used Toyota as an example because I have more than just a general market knowledge of them...that's all...if I worked for Microsoft or Dell or AT&T...I would have used them as an example...get it now???))
The differance is in one key word. LEGITIMATE.
PAVC has yet to prove they are legitimate. Maybe they will prove they are one day, but my guess is PAVC is never proven to be legitimate.
TOYOTA - Comparing PAVC with TOYOTA is quite ridiculous imo. You are comparing a very troubled OTC company with many, many issues to a BIG GUN. Apples to hand grenades, imo. So totally different, it is ridiculous to compare.
Question : Why compare PAVC to a top 10 Global company and not compare it to one of many companies that are not comparing apples to hand grenades? I could list hundreds of PS and OTC companies that have far more in common with PAVC then TOYOTA. TOYOTA and PAVC have nothing in common at all.
Not to burst your bubble but any prospective investor in PAVC that see's the ridiculous and repeated high PPS predictions with all the promises that never happened and then see the same people that got it so 100% wrong for so long are now comparing PAVC to TOYOTA will see it is a shammy pump imo and wont touch this.
Yes, LEGITIMATE companies do change and alter business plans. PAVC has not proven they are legit and they dont alter business plans, they have a long history of outlining all the positives thay say will happen, but then we see that nothing they said did happen and they have a whole new set of business initiatives, without ever explaining what happened to all the previous business initiatives.
Tax hit the nail right on the head imo, with his post that outlined many of their promises/business objectives that never happened, only to see a totally new set of business initiatives. This is not a one time occurence. It is what they have done ever since PAVC was formed and yes, even before it was formed, the exact same thing happened. RS's and changing business plans quite often.
((My point...and please repeat after me...my point, was that legitimate businesses change strategies all the time to be flexible with market conditions...that is how they survive. Toyota changes their plans/schedules daily...even long term plans))
Best of luck to you as well. I do disagree however, in that I fully expect more shammy deals and possible merger type deals.
They PR'd they are going to buy a company for cash and stock. At the time they PR'd this, they were well aware they only had $4500.00 in cash. There are so many flags waving in the wind the past 2 years that say RUN FOR THE HILLS imo.
I see no recourse for PAVC other then to dilute to the point where profits per share will be unattainable and/or they do yet another odd merger/aquisition/buyout. They will likely paint it to look very nice just as they did when JP and AP got together, but in my opinion, the end results will not be a pretty painting. IMO, it will be a painting done in water colors that got rained on making quite a messy picture instead.
Again, all in my opinion and if anybody thinks PAVC is going to score big in the calling card market and profit per share is going to be very nice, then I would buy as much PAVC stock as I could if I thought that way.
You bring up some interesting points. The only comment I have is PAVC will never be successful IMO. Not with calling cards, not with anything.
IMO, it is a very troubled company. So troubled and with so many issues in my opinion, that it has very little chance of succeeding no matter what their business model is.
IMO, management is inept. Possibly crooked, but that is just my opinion and is for the higher authorities to determine. I do not think PAVC could be given a lemonade stand and make it successful.
Again, just my opinions and I'll say it again. If others dont share my view or opinions and think PAVC is a good company with a bright future then do not listen to me or anybody else. Listen to yourself and buy as much stock as you can.
((Let's face it-calling cards have a strong Latino market. Latinos are in the construction business. Latinos's also are (were) homebuyers during the free credit years. Latino's are the no 1 purchasers of phone cards. Subprime loans we're the rage. So- Penny is predicting this: No more home buying, no more construction jobs, no more qualifying for squat- LOTS OF FORCLOSURES, puts the Latino market place where it was before 2000- Still here working somewhere but- not having a telephone, credit for a cell phone account etc- 2008 may be the biggest calling card boom in the history of the business. I hope PAVC sees it that way and doesn't implode before. They're pricing should be below competition so they fly off the shelves, not only in the south, but NATIONALLY. Hope Detroit phone cards is positioned for that and then we'll be do'n REAL good IMHO.
Comments?))
Quite awhile ago, I posted some rumors I had heard. They were not good and I of course stated they were only rumors. DOS was one of many that jumped all over me for not disclosing where I heard the rumors. At least I was courteous enough to say what they were and hint at where the rumors could be found.
But now, DOS who was very vocal about deleting these rumors and deleting any post he did not like, is posting he heard bad stuff, but wont say what?
Comical IMO.
DOS-IMO, you should play by the same rules that you set!! By not doing so you have failed in a bigtime manner.
Wow. Have not looked at this in a while. It is now in the .03's?
I see no recent news. Has there been any updates on the buyout? The Dividend? Anything?
May I ask with all due respect why you think it is wrong for this poster to be negative? This sure has not given investors any reason to be positive.
Last I looked, this was involved in a guaranteed and DONE DEAL buyout that was going to turn penny's in to dollars.
Looks to me like this guaranteed buyout has not happened and no dividend was issued. And the penny's have not turned in to dollars, they have turned in to less penny's then before.
Why would anybody be anything but negative? What reasons are there to be positive? The fact they have not followed thru on anything and the valuation is in a death spiral? That is reason to be positive?
((Your always negative in every way no matter what you post.))
I wont be available to post during happy hour. If I was, I would certainly respond to JB's PM's in private.
To Mr. David Potter -
Do I know you? No. So please stop with the PM's. I have nothing to share with you.
I am an honest person simply looking for answers. In my quest for seeking answers, it appears I have greatly upset the CEO of PHGI (why, I have no idea. does one invest and not seek answers?)
Without insulting you and staying within IHUBS TOU boundries I will simply say I want to have nothing to do with you so there is no need to send me PM's with your e-mail address. I will not accuse you of anything but I do find it odd that you had a disclaimer at one time saying you were paid BY PHGI to PROMOTE PHGI, yet you now appear to only want to bash.
People may think I am bashing and yes, the CEO's PM's to me were certainly unprofessional and uncalled for and I now am more skeptical then ever due to the CEO's actions, but I am not a basher or a paid promotor as you are and have disclosed and do not wish to be associated with you.
Without breaking the TOU, I will simply say I do not know you and do not trust you and do not want to have anything to do with whatever agenda you are currently working on.
I'm not here to debate you. You think one way, I think another.
I thought Tax did a great job of outlining quite a few things that have been drastically changed. Furthermore, they WERE going to be a VOIP company. In fact, that was to be what was to take PAVC to the bigtime. Now? Show me where MACRO is and how PAVC is involved in VOIP? They are not involved. That seems like a pretty drastic change in business strategies to me and they never even bothered to explain what happened to MACRO or their entrance in to the VOIP arena. Look at all the stuff TAX posted that never happened or was drastically altered.
I was not going to bring this up, because your response will be "it is a different company now with different management". But look at the history of how PAVC was even formed. Look how many times business models changed, weird and massive RS's were done, odd mergers and etc. From an entertainment company to telcom. Then they are to merge with a big time player in VOIP, but instead merge with a failed health care business with many legal issues. Now, VOIP is not part of the plan when it was THE plan when they merged.
I suspect imo, after some time goes by, there will be another deal or merger that gives pavc another name and ticker, as well as a different business model.
All in my opinion.
(("PAVC is not putting off or adapting plans, they are changing them drastically and changing them quite often."???
It's not like they switched from telecom industry to the food industry. LOL))
To ALL sending me PM's.
I CANNOT REPLY TO PM's.
EOM!!!
That was quick.
Too quick.
Wow.
EOM
Great Company. Although japanese, as you said they employ plenty of americans. I have owned quite a few toyotas. Loved every one.
But again, this is comparing apples to hand grenades. Toyota when struggling, was still Toyota. There wasn't any doubt about whether they were a legit company or not. Furthermore, I do agree that many times in business you have to put off business plans. But that is not PAVC. PAVC is not putting off or adapting plans, they are changing them drastically and changing them quite often.
((Toyota -And now they employ hundreds of thousands of employees worldwide. And they didn't list on the US stock exchange until 1999. And I'm not comparing industries, but rather the idea of adapting one's business strategies to be flexible with market conditions.))
I agree on all points except this.
PHGI is supposedly involved in many things, along with uplistings, the new shell, canadian entity and etc.
Shares they purchased on the open market are just like shares anybody purchases. With so many corporate changes supposedly coming very soon, those PHGI certs will morph into a new number and name after these corporate changes take effect.
Unless they go thru the headaches to exchange the certs, they will be eventually worthless. It would make a lot more sense if they put shares in cert form, after these upcoming changes, imo.
Have a GR8 Night/PR