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Yes, it is. GR8 post IMO.
((It's really quite simple....))
It clearly stated in the spam mail disclaimer that PHGI DID NOT pay for this or have anything to do with it.
So why R posts by Mr. Spam stating as a fact that the company IS INVOLVED in PAYING for this spam mail even allowed to be posted?
IMO, the post(s) should be deleted as it is 100% false and the poster making these repeated false statements should not be allowed to post on this board due to repeatedly posting false information as factual.
With that said, I am thrilled I made some moola on a quick flip from .0055 to .01, because I am not thrilled with the company or it's prospects to deliver profits to shareholders.
Had I not made a nice profit on that flip, I would likely have sold and been gone by now. Since I did make that profit and cannot lose, I will hold for at least a little while longer to see what develops.
Nano, I do agree that buying a falling PS is akin to trying to catch a falling knife and you are more likely to be cut then not. However, by me buying at .0055 and selling at .01 (I admit it was pure luck in my timing that allowed this trade to happen) gave me quite a nice profit. Luckily it was a quick flip for an almost 100% gain and I did not hold.
Down 15% on news PAVC shareholders will get a 1000% premium?
Odd huh?
Now, why would it be down 15% after people have had plenty of time to digest this supposed 1000% premium they will receive?
Why is volume so low? A 1000% premium is being given supposedly, it is public for all to see, yet nobody is lined up to buy so they can get this 1000% premium?
Again, I wonder why?
((Only 13,000 shares traded today, very low compared to recent days.))
I wont be surprised. That is a scenario I posted was possible after serfdom brought it up.
((Don't be surprised if TCHH does a split of 1-10 before hand bringing the TCHH shares down to .13 cents then doing a 1-1 with PAVC.))
IMO, if they do this, they will follow with a RS. Until they have profits, they have made it perfectly clear they will have to use their shares as currency. So a Forward split to make the share exchange legit is very possible, followed by a RS to get the PPS UP and give them enough shares to use as cash is also very possible IMO.
((Because the confirmed the price ))
I'll offer a GR8 deal to anybody that wishes to take me up on it.
I will buy PAVC today at .12 and will gift/transfer each and every free trading cert to anybody that wishes for .50
I'll take the .50 and the .38 gain per share and whoever gets my shares can hold them for the $1.30 price and guaranteed .80 per share gain, people think they will see.
What a bargain. Any takers? I doubt there will be any because if people really believed the .12 shares will turn in to an equal number of shares at $1.30, why would they give me the extra .38 gain that they could have by simply buying pavc themselves for .12?
But the offer stands. I will buy at .12 and transfer each cert for .50 to anybody that wants them for .50
((if they are forced to cover, I don't know where they will get the shares since most is restricted... Awesome Awesome news...))
From nowhere. PAVC shares will no longer exist.
Feel free to go to the SEC website for more DD/answers on this subject.
You may wish to rethink a few things.
Did you look at the preferred shares and at what rate they convert to common?
Yes, they will be restricted, but do not fool yourself in to thinking that these shares will not be converted to common and sold. They are not taking preferred shares to simply sit on them without getting cash for them. They expect to get paid and the only way they will get paid is to convert the preferred to common and then sell.
How else do you think they are getting paid?
When it comes to PS and OTC issues, the giving of preferred stock is becoming very common. They can make it appear as if there is no dilution, but the FACTS are that the preferred do convert in to common at different rates depending on the class of preferred and that the holders of the preferred can have them unrestricted and they will convert in to a large number of common shares and then they are sold. So while everybody is praising companies for not diluting, many end up scratching their heads wondering how the float got so big.
Common sense. When the preferred converts to common you have instant dilution, at a fairly high rate.
You may wish to also re-read the previous filing and this latest 8k before you state NO DILUTION, as that is not true. Not even close.
What makes you think the below?
((To get this money via a promisory note to A4, that means they EXPECT to be able to pay it through revenues, OR through bank financing. ))
No, they just expect to get paid. It does not mean they expect to get paid from revenue or conventional bank financing. They are already issuing shares. They could very easily issue more and pay with more shares.
IMO, most of the financing will be done via dilution/toxic financing. The last filing and this 8k gives me no reason to think otherwise.
GLTA/PR
This is looking quite ugly IMO.
I am very thankful I was able to buy at .0055 and sell at .01
Made a nice profit and ensured I will not incur a loss on this.
I hope it goes up but it sure is not looking good right now IMO.
Mr. Bebee, R U awake?
Why do people tell other posters to call Mr. Bebee? What is he going to say? Do you really think he will say things are going awful if they really are? No. he will paint as rosy a picture as he can. Did all the people that called and listened to him talk about how good everything was get anything out of it other then very large % losses? No. If you did call him, he very well may have painted such a rosy picture that made you want to go out and buy. If U did, U R down big right now.
Thankfully I haven't called him in a while. I really don't care what he has to say. IMO, time for talk to stop and for Mr. Bebee to prove we have a real company or just throw this in the junk heap. None of his past talk has meant squat, except for a never ending drop in the PPS.
As per all of the dilution comments, I must take both sides. Currently the numbers R what they R. There a R not the 300+ some R saying there is. However, if the preferred are converted, then yes, that will be a lot of new common shares to hit or get dumped. I have no reason to believe they will not convert. On one hand they tell people that they have no intention of converting and selling the preferred and they even said they were pulling the actual certs to make it sound like they will never convert them. But they also said they MAY convert them and lets be realistic here. IMO, they will convert and sell these shares. If Mr. Bebee and others are really as smart as people say, he would be a fool to throw away money by not converting and selling. He sure is not going to sit on the certs as they become worthless IMO, unless he is going to dilute and give himself and other insiders more shares to sell.
Being in the position they R in, they could allow the preferred to become worthless assuming they are compensating themselves with common shares and selling them. Money in the pocket. Does it matter how it gets there? Not IMO and not in pennyland.
It is normal for insiders to cash out with big profits at the expense of huge shareholder losses in pennyland.
I am waiting for Mr. Beebe to prove this will not be the case.
Let me make sure I understand this correctly. R they saying FREE TRADING shares you bought will expire worthless or R they restricted shares?
Doesn't really matter. If free trading then they are free trading. If E-Trade wont let you sell I would pull my certs/shares and give them to another broker to sell and then contact your Lawyer.
If they R restricted shares, then you have same right as everybody. File the 144, go thru the process and sell your shares.
I am a bit baffled when you say a broker is telling you that you have shares that may expire worthless.
IMO, I would document everything and speak to an attorney if need be.
GLTY/PR
((Etrade still refuses to tell Corporate Stock Transfer about my JPHC position with them. They are trying to claim that since I purchased these shares after the conversion date of 5/10/06 that they may "expire worthless". Is anyone else still fighting for your shares at Etrade? They are sending me a cert for shares I purchased prior to 5/10/06.))
HELLO Superbee383!
Welcome.
If Serf says U R a wonderful moderator, his word is good enough 4 me.
Nice to have you aboard.
GLTA/PR
Me speaks and LBWR goes down.
Me not speak and LBWR go up.
Me not speak LBWR anymore ;^)
GLTA/PR
Ha ha. LMAO.
Have a GR8 weekend!
((I have 7 shares....therefore, I am NOT to be trusted hee hee.))
BTW, I think U do a GR8 job of moderating. Not just moderating either. U R good people IMO. Like me, you simply call it as you see it good or bad.
You do not p__p or b__h and are very fair in allowing complete discussion.
IMO, if every board had an honest and unbiased moderator such as yourself, the world would be a better place ;>)
Did U ask about the terms 4 the current deals? The 2 aquisitions PAVC will make (with very little cash on hand as per latest filing) and then the merger with TCHH?
What will be the share exchange ratio? Will they maybe FS TCHH so they can do a reasonable 1 for 1 swap or something similar that would allow for a more even arbitrage spread on the share swap? R they still planning on giving a hefty premium to PAVC holders and if so, how?
Will current PAVC holders be swapped with FREE TRADING TCHH shares or CASH? Or will PAVC holders get restricted shares in TCHH.
It is surprising (well, not really with penny stocks) they announced all 3 deals at the same time yet left out so much critical information on all 3 deals. Did Stegawski shed any light on the many missing and unknown pieces to this complicated puzzle? A company with $4500.00 (per latest filing) cash is buying 2 companies with the revenues they claim they have? Did they get conventional financing? If so, with whom and at what terms (these R things that would have to be known by all companies involved if they claim all the deals have been thoroughly dd'd and are close to being finalized)? How much did they get and what terms did they get it at? If not conventional financing, then what forms of toxic financing R they using? How much dilution can be expected to close the 2 aquisitions? What R the complete terms of the TCHH deal and why did they leave out so much of the critical info?
What will they be doing to the share structures of each company to make all of these deals work?
Was he able to answer any of the above?
Did you ask about any of the above?
To have so many deals announced and seeing how little cash they had in the latest filing, it is strange they left out so many critical details of all of these deals. IMO, if they got GR8 financing and GR8 terms on all of these deals, I would think they would have said so very loudly? The fact they left so much unknown is a possible red flag IMO.
TIA/PR
((Michael Stegawski (counsel for paivis) informed me that ONLY the exAPOA share holder certs will become free trading after 2 years.. The ex Jupiter share holder certs will always stay restricted and will never become free trading unless you pay the $300 fee to have them unrestricted.))
GR8 post. I concur wholeheartedly.
GLTA/PR
I would take advice from the sources that have been proven to be correct. I would avoid advice from those proven to be incorrect. Pretty simple IMO.
I would take advice from a non biased person with no stake or agenda before I take advice from somebody who is possibly biased due to their position and has been wrong with almost all of their advice/opinions.
You are trying to say that people should listen to the advice of somebody who is long while not listen to the advice of somebody with no position.
Yet the advice coming from the person who does have a position has done what for the PPS? Nothing, as it is down 99% as the advice has been given. Yet the person with no position who called this correct should not be listened to?
Interesting. So, you would prefer to take advice from somebody with a long position and a skewed outlook, which has not stopped the stock from falling 99% and not take advice from somebody that called the massive % decline?
I myself prefer gains over losses and I myself will take my advice from the sources that help me make gains and avoid losses.
If you or others prefer to do otherwise, to each his own I always say!
((would someone take advice from someone who CANT do something? Or, would you listen more intently to someone who has a stake in the game... ownership of stock in PAVC in this case?))
BTW, You own PAVC. I do not. Based on your post, your advice should be taken and mine should not? U R aware that as you posted your advice this has done nothing but fall. 99%! As I posted my advice, the stock has done exactly what I said it would in my past opinions. It as fallen and has kept on falling.
Whose advice was better? Yours, who owns the stock or mine who doesnt own the stock?
The numbers clearly show my opinions and advice have been far more correct then yours.
Shoots a rather large hole in your above theory, huh?
I guess those .055's I snagged and sold at .01 was a good move.
A GR8/large short term profit and now I can sell the rest of my PHGI right now if I want and still have a gain or let it go to zero and still have a gain or hold and IF it does move up, I simply have more gains.
Can't ask for much more on an iffy PS like this.
Mr. Bebee, I personally do not trust you or this company which is my perrogative based on your actions and the free falling PPS, but thanks for the gains.
PHGI is living proof that profit can be made whether a company is legit or a sham.
I do not know which PHGI is, but at least I dont have to worry about which it is anymore. My gain is booked and I still have shares in case it is legit and moves higher and stops this free fall mode it is locked in.
I will believe that however, only when I see it. Talk means nothing. Only the PPS going up will make me believe.
Thanks to the MM's or whoever was responsible for allowing us to buy in the .005's and then sell at .01 or above!!
I agree. The fundamentals do not spell bankruptcy. IMO, the fundamentals spell a large success in the making with nice gains for those that recognize the potential and get on board before the big run (already has had some nice runs, but IMO the biggie hasn't occured yet).
But, I do not like to sound pumpy, especialy with a PS/OTC, so I at least will recognize the fact that negatives can happen.
IMO, the positives far outweigh the negatives and although it has seen GR8 % gains, I still think this is good for at least another 10 bagger and possibly a lot more if they are growing revenue/profits at a good pace.
((That would be quite an oddity for this one to go bankrupt, being debt free, quarterly increased revenues and all the other plus' :)))
And just getting started with the real biz and profits. IMOOC
I do think people will look back at LBWR 1 day and be shocked they could have bought for under $1, let alone under .20, .10 or .05
If all goes as planned $1 could look very cheap IMO and I rarely ever say such a thing about a PS stock.
It could also go bankrupt I guess. WTHDIKA.
Good luck to U as well/PR
BTW, did this not go up quite a bit in the last week? I recall seeing it around .10 a short while ago and see it hit I think .20 before settling in the .17 range as it awaits it's next run up.
Agree and I hope your last paragraph comes to fruition.
Contrary to what many think, I do not revel in other people losing money. I prefer to see people make profits not losses.
What is odd is that people question why anybody could possibly be negative about PAVC. They have given many, many reasons to be negative and not many reasons to be positive IMO.
When a stock/company has as many issues as PAVC did (still does??) and has fallen 99% do people expect every post to be positive? Why be surprised that people R negative? Down 99% and people question how anybody could possibly be negative about such a GR8 company as they continue to post how GR8 everything is? LMAO. Go figure!
((Yes, I'm aware of most of what goes on here. Every stock has a fair market value, and Paivis is no different.
The trouble comes when that value is substantially lower than what people paid for it years ago.
Other people have been able to make some good coin here, and I bet that chance will come again real soon.))
What happens if they decide you cant use that flea treatment for years? Would the fleas not get real bad? Maybe even kill the dog?
Not saying this will happen, but it could and I would be curious to hear your opinion on what you think would happen if you end up with restricted shares yet again?
((Maybe Paivis's new "dog" with fleas...is getting a prescription strength flea treatment! LOL))
It is odd IMO.
IF you could buy 500,000 shares of PAVC today for .13 and have them turn in to 500,000 shares of TCHH at over $1, I would expect a lot of buying of PAVC and selling of TCHH. Yet we arent seeing this.
I wonder why?
((I did expect that a least some volume will show up today. Why not? Is it the uncertainity?))
Anything can happen.
They can do a 1 for 1 going from .12 to $1.50 and give away billions of dollars and make everybody that buys pavc before the 1 for 1 swap occurs, a multi millionaire or billionaire.
They also can shaft you out of every penny you invest.
Will this deal reward PAVC shareholders or screw them? I do not know and neither does anybody else until it happens. But either is very possible, along with many things in between those 2 extremes.
It is my opinion though that a PS/OTC is not going to give away billions of dollars to any and every person that wants to buy PAVC today and then do nothing but hold it until the shares magically turn in to the same number of shares valued at $1.50.
A) The largest companies in the world do not give away billions of dollars. They give regular cash dividends to reward shareholders. I have never seen a 1000+% arbitrage spread on ANY legit merger. Can you show me a LEGIT aribitrage spread that went thru giving an instant 1000+% premium?
B) If you could buy 500,000 PAVC today for .13 and have 500,000 TCHH at $1.50 very soon and by doing nothing, why R people not buying up every share of PAVC's float? Why R people not selling TCHH over $1 to buy PAVC at .13 knowing that they can get 10x the shares and have them convert back to TCHH at over $1?
God gave everybody a brain and with that brain comes common sense. It is up to each individual to decide whether to use the god given sense they have. Some use the common sense they have, others dont. To each his own IMO.
GLTA/PR
(( It can happen
the AS for tchh according last 10-QSB is 350M and the AS for pavc is 125M))
What I find interesting is it seems nobody knows about LBWR.
This is a profitable Pink Sheet, soon to be an OTC.
Company has a real business plan with real PROFITS and a list of Fortune 500 Customers that is growing.
They have not played the typical PS games of dilution, RS's, weird mergers, PR's every week promising stuff that never happens and etc.
They have a CEO who actually has a brain and has proven that unlike most insiders of PS companies who only wish to line their pockets at the shareholders expense, he is truly looking out for the shareholders best interest, as he knows he has a good thing and without loyal shareholders even good things can go bad.
I believe the low on this was around .02? Is that correct? It is now at .17 with very little volume and very few people even aware this company exists (I like it like this. No outlandish pumping. No outlandish bashing). A very nice gain for those that got in early and heck, it is even a very nice gain for those that got in late.
I cant predict how high or low the PPS will go, but I think when people see this has real profits and is not some sham outfit and see's the very impressive list of clients they service, this could go up quite a bit once it is discovered by the masses.
I rarely ever say a PS/OTC company can go from penny's to dollars, but this one sure has the potential. The gains from the lows to current level have been very large % gains. IMO, those gains will seem minimal when we look back at this down the road.
It is possible that people will look back at this and wish they had bought at $1 which may be very cheap one day.
I wonder how many people will one day wish they had bought TODAY at .17? Likely a lot if this goes as high as many think it can.
If/when institutions jump on after the upcoming uplist, this could become a rocket stock possibly.
GLTA/PR
Ha ha. Go 4 It ;>)
(( would love to buy all three companies for .12 a share Now thats to good to be true! Do the math!))
BTW, No it is not good to sell low IMO. You should always look to buy low and sell higher IMO.
((Price For Pavc 52 weeks low .08 high $3 sell low is common sense ??????))
The question you have to ask yourself is where you feel the low will be? If confident your current ownership will increase in value then I would hold or buy. If not confident your ownership will increase in value (put gains in your pocket) then I would sell or not buy.
Only you can decide what is best for your personal situation.
GLTY/PR
;>), see the post I just made. I mentioned the 'agressive offer' comment and gave a few possible suggestions that would give PAVC holders a nice premium.
Assume PAVC is at .15 and TCHH is at $1.50.
EVEN would be 1 share of TCHH for every 10 PAVC you hold.
But they did PR that they made an AGRESSIVE offer to PAVC shareholders, which I will assume that means they want to give PAVC a nice premium over that .15
So maybe 5, 6,7 or 8 shares of PAVC .15 gets you 1 TCHH at $1.50.
That would be a very nice premium for PAVC holders.
But again we wont know until they release FULL TERMS and even then we might not know (so goes life in pennyland);>)
I will be curious to see what the premium is for PAVC holders. They did PR that an aggressive offer was given so IF PAVC holders dont get a nice premium I guess it is just another failed promise. Hopefully though they follow thru and do indeed give PAVC holders a nice premium as they stated they would.
GLTY/PR
((Pouity- I think it will be a definate premium since PAVC wouldn't benefit otherwise. I'm guessing it may be .25 at the lowest and .50 at the highest. PAVC WILL have a higher valuation of the aquisitions go through or are they trying to aquire ahead of that. Hmmmm Whatever. I lost track of who's buying who- what -where merge-aquire hugh...?))
Who knows. I am sure they will announce something. Maybe 10 share of PAVC gets you 1 of TCHH at $1.50 which would be fairly even or if they want to give PAVC holders a nice premium as they stated with the 'aggressive offer' comment, then maybe every 8 shares of PAVC gets you 1 TCHH at $1.50, that would be a nice premium. Maybe they FS TCHH and bring the share structure up and the PPS down to PAVC level and then do a 1 for 1 swap. Could do many, many things.
Just use your head when looking at the below questions. It isn't too hard to see. For anybody, IMO.
Do YOU think they will give away billions of dollars to anybody that wants it?
I dont.
Would YOU buy 100,000 shares of PAVC right now at .14 if it will turn in to 100,000 shares of TCHH at $1.50?
I would!!
Would YOU sell TCHH at $1.50 if you could buy 10x the amount of PAVC that will turn back in to TCHH on a 1 for 1 at $1.50?
I would!!
Have a GR8 evening/PR
Right. It is a share for share swap according to what they have released so far.
but you do realize all that means is what it says. Share for Share. It does not specify if it will be XX number of shares for XX number of shares.
So until they officialy release the terms, there is no way of telling what the share exchange/swap ratio will be.
When most companies do mergers they announce for instance that company xyz will get 4.7 shares for every xx number of shares held of company bbb. People can then see what the aribitrage spread is meaning which company is getting the premium.
PAVC did not do this. They did not say it will be a 1 for 1 or a any other ratio. Until they do, all we know is it will be a share for share deal.
If it is a 1 for 1, IMO they will do as serfdom suggested earlier and do something to make the arbitrage spread more even. Something to alter the share structure/valuation/pps so that a premium may be given, but certainly not a 1 for 1 going from .12 a share to $1.50 a share. Maybe they forward split TCHH with a 10 for 1 which would add 10x to share structure and bring the PPS down to the .15 area which would then allow a 1 for 1? I dont know. There are many things they can do if they want to do a legit 1 for 1 swap. But once again, and I am not insulting anybody, but please use a little common sense. IMO, A PS/OTC company is not going to do a 1 for 1 with one company at .12 and the other at 1.50. Do PS/OTC companies tend to give away billions of dollars? If so, in this scenerio we would see 2 things happening due to the arbitrage spread on this supposed 1 for 1 deal. Alerts would be ringing on every traders desk alerting them to a 1000% spread on BUYING PAVC and people would be flocking to buy shares at .12 that will soon turn to $1.50 and TCHH would sell off as they can sell 50,000 shares of TCHH at $1.50 and then buy 10x the amount of PAVC for .12 or so and when the deal goes thru they have the same number of shares they had at $1.50.
Lets be realistic here. If people could buy 100 shares of stock xyz today for .12 or so and do nothing and then when deal is complete have 100 shares at $1.50, would you buy? I would and I dont know anybody that would not buy if that were truly the case. If you held TCHH, would you not sell at $1.50 and buy 10x the PAVC shares since they will turn in to the same number of shares at $1.50 by you doing nothing? I would and dont know anybody that would not sell TCHH at $1.50 and know they could buy 10x the amount of PAVC at .12 and it will turn in to TCHH at $1.50 on a 1 for 1 basis or a 1000+% arbitrage (Instant gain of billions of dollars that a PS/OTC company is giving away to any retailer holder/buyer that wants it?!?)
If it sounds too good to be true----GLTA/PR
((on a share for share basis))
What was the personal attack?
I dont see you deleting your own personal attacks and insults and sending them to matt for Review!
Odd, huh?
((EDIT - You had a personal attack in that post and I passed it on to Matt to decide. But I see you reposted it without the personal attack, so you know why it was removed. ))
Yes, I did repost it, but I still dont know what personal attack you are talking about. YOU have posted far worse attacks and insults then me. Dems da facts Track!
Yea, some people seem to be offended by common sense for some reason. Could it be that the common sense I use shoots holes in all of their crazy theories or shows a stock that has fallen 99% or that it is not likely that you R going to buy 500,000 shares of any stock at .12 and do nothing and have it turn in to 500,000 shares worth $1.50?
I didnt realize money losing PS stocks gave away so much free money to any person that buys the stock.
According to many, anybody can go buy PAVC right now for .12 and it will turn in to an equal number of shares priced at $1.50.
So, I can go buy 500,000 shares of PAVC at .12 for a total of $60,000 and do nothing. When the deal goes thru I will have 500,000 shares of TCHH at $1.50 or $750,000?
What a GR8 deal!! I wonder why people R not buying up PAVC as quick as they can if this is true?
I also wonder why some posters are posting that it is a fact that this will be an even 1 for 1 share swap when it is not fact and has never been PR'd as some say it was. The terms of the share swap have not been released. Talk to either company and they will verify this!!
Call any broker, financial advisor and etc and ask their advice on this "merger" and see what they say about it being a 1 for 1 even swap!
((There you go Poiuty with your common sense again! eom))
Where in the PR does it state it will be a 1 for share swap? It does NOT SAY THAT!! IT simply says a share swap. The terms of whether it will be a 1 for 1 or a 1 for 50 or a 100 for 1, have not yet been released.
((If the PR says 1 for 1... and there is NO additional information, to SEARCH for reasons WHY it wouldnt be 1 for 1 to me, is a process I dont want to be associated with.
If however, we hear MORE news as it comes out, and there are caveats to the 1 for 1... by all means, spell it out.
I just dont go for negative speculation (or positive) when we try to make judgements on a single piece of data.
1 for 1 as of Oct 11th 9:58 pst is 1 for 1.))
The PR does NOT say what you claim it says!! You are stating as fact it will be a 1 for 1 swap which is not factual!!
Please show where it says it will be a 1 for 1 swap. It ONLY says a share for share swap. NOWHERE does it state the terms of the share swap.
If it was a 1 for 1, why R people not selling TCHH at $1.50 so they can buy 10 times more pavc which will turn in to the same number of shares worth $1.50?
Do you really think you can buy 500,000 pavc today for .12 and it will turn in to 500,000 shares of TCHH at $1.50? If so, why isnt the whole world buying a .12 stock that will turn in to $1.50?
I thought it would run on the news also. And then collapse when we see the terms. I didnt expect it to pop so little and come back down so fast.
By the way Serf, why was my on topic post, #21455, deleted from the PAVC board?
It was 100% on topic! Do U know if admin deleted it or Track?
If Track, she has no right deleting 100% on topic posts and should be removed as moderator!!
((PAVC new HOD .175...if she breaks .18 she's clear to .25))
GR8, glad to hear it.
((Comparing Paivis to another stock is not a personal insult or TOU violation.))
So you R now opening up the door for us to compare PAVC and it's performance with any and every stock we want!!
Wow. I do not think PAVC with it's 99% decline and many, many issues will stand up very well when compared to most any stock, except those that have fallen 99% and had issue after issue.
But thats GR8 to get clarification. I thought we were not allowed to discuss or compare stocks. But now we know we can compare PAVC with ANY and EVERY stock we want and post the comparissons without it being off topic or post getting deleted.
I'll start with LBWR. Another PS stock. Did you buy at .02 or less? If so, .17 is looking pretty nice right now. What did PAVC do in the same time? Oh yea. It fell 99%.
Hmm, I could compare PAVC with an awful lot of stocks and that 99% decline PAVC incurred will not look very good in comparisson!
Where should I start?
GLTY/PR ;>)
(( the liklihood of being able to get bank financing looks stronger.))
You are speculating. Giving your opinion!! Why do you post YOUR OPINIONS but tell others to not post opinions and only post facts? Where are the facts that show they will get good conventional financing?
Your are a MB poster. I'll stick to the filings which state they have very little cash and will have a very hard time getting conventional financing and will likely have to dilute and use toxic financing to keep their doors open.
Direct from the filings!
You did want facts, right?
((Based on your analysis of Paivis in numerous posts, Paivis is a scam company with shady dealings, etc and always has been and always will be and that is why TDA and other brokers would restrict the buying))
Wrong yet again. I never said it IS a SCAM company. I have said IMO it is a SHAMMY company. I think their actions and the PPS shows my OPINION to be pretty darned accurate! I did not say that is why brokers R restricting buying. I said Brokers put restrictions on MANY stocks and many of them are shammy and they R not just picking on PAVC. Brokers have a very long list of stocks they have restrictions on.
((...so...with that said, why did TDA, ETRADE, and Scottrade allow opening positions all last year (except for a couple of days after the restricted shares were dumped) up until May 07 and then suddenly, Paivis becomes a questionable company with issues, which just happens to coincide with the 1 year period for the 144 filers?? But, we can still sell our shares back to NITE/TDA, just not buy. ))
I do not know and neither do you! When a broker puts a restriction on a stock it has to go in to effect which means there will be an actual date that it goes in effect. You can cry conspiracy due to the dates they pick, but you are only speculating. IMO, PAVC had waaaaay too many issues and some brokers do what they do with MANY stocks that have issues and a free falling PPS with many promises that never happened. They add restrictions on companies like this, not just on PAVC.
BTW, the restriction DID save people from a massive % decline!!
((However, they will allow their clients to buy so many other non-reporting pinky's as I posted earlier, many of which have done much harsher/more extreme r/s than Paivis/JPHC has in the past and many of which has no reporting revenue, besides printing shares.))
I do not make the rules at any broker. They do. I do disgaree partly. Sure there are plenty of shammy stocks that DONT have restrictions. But to say others have done far worse then pavc is simply your opinion. I look at PAVC and their history and it is quite an ugly picture. IMO, brokers have every right to put restrictions on PAVC based on their past actions. You do realize this is down 99% from it's high? And with all the issues you think it is weird for a broker to put a restriction on PAVC? IMO, the restriction is warranted and once again, the restriction has SAVED PEOPLE FROM INCURRING MASSIVE % LOSSES!
((I don't know why TDA restricts other securities...never owned one or tried to buy one they did restrict, until Paivis. So, I'm not aware of their reasons or non-reasons for other restrictions..but I do not believe their restriction on Paivis has anything to do with TDA suddenly viewing them as a troubled company in May of this year and they are "protecting" their clients. LOL...If that was the case, TDA would restrict 99% of the non-reporting pinkies and many of the OTC reporting companies and to protect their sheep, um, I mean clients, every day...in my opinion, of course.))
First you say you dont know this that and the other but then say you dont think the restriction has anything to do with them protecting customers? Guess what? Call the brokers that have restrictions and They will tell you the reason. They will say there has been suspect activity with the company and/or stock and they put the restriction in to help protect the customers. So you can deny and think what you want, but you cant change the facts or alter the reasons why the brokers are giving. I'll believe the brokers over you if that is OK with you. Brokers have helped save people from huge % losses while you have been talking non stop about how GR8 this company is even as it fell 99%!
((And of course, this will all be a mute point, once the merger/acquisition is completed. But, that's right, Trustcash is now the "dog with fleas" and will be the focus for your rambling, ad nauseam posts.))
And of course this will all be a moot point when merger goes thru and TCHH will be the GR8 new company and will be the focus of your rambling "Greatest company since sliced bread" type posts.
((By the way, how's PHGI doing?? Doing a little comparison DD strictly on the 52wk High vs. Low pps between PAVC and PHGI and PAVC is avg. a little bit better. But your posts are focused on a company(PAVC)that your posts have stated you do not own, and not on the falling pps of the company(PHGI) who’s CEO trolls IHUB, that your posts have stated you do own. Hmmm...wonder why that is??))
Why R U posting about another stock on the PAVC board and insulting another poster? Yea, isn't it interesting though? Look at the board of the stock you mention and you see me all over the CEO for his SHAMMY ACTIONS!!!! Whether I own a stock or not is irrelevant. I call it as I see it and that other stock has it's own issues IMO. However, if you wish to discuss that other stock they have their own board so I do not know why a moderator is posting about a stock that has nothing to do with PAVC on the PAVC board.
In closing - You think PAVC is a GR8 company with a bright future and that is your right. I think it is a sham and that is my right.
So far all indications show that I am correct and you are not. But to be fair, lets wait until the results are in before declaring this a sham or a GR8 company. Down 99% so far. Not looking good, but who knows. You may end up correct and I may end up wrong. So far that is not the case, but the game is not over yet so there is still hope for PAVC to prove itself and start giving gains instead of 99% losses and prove yourself corerct and me wrong.
((WHAT occured just before ALL 3 of these acquisitions were PR'd?
Greg Bauer resigned.))
Did he resign on his own accord or was he asked to and then given another role in the company?
((What does this mean for him? And more importantly... for His and Our shares?))
IMO, Bauer will and has made a bundle. I do not think shareholders will be as lucky.
((I think Bauer resigned for reasons tied to the merger... NOT because he was fired or gave up. Perhaps he helped negotiate these deals, and was given his offer to step down for now, and may or may not have a place in the new company down the road.))
You think?? But you just said you dont want opinions you want facts. Where are your facts to support the above? If you don't have any then it is speculation and you may be deceiving people. (where did I just hear/read the same thing?)
((Taxman is right that we dont KNOW the final destination...))
Nope we don't. hence, it is all speculation.
((But we NEED to pay attention to ALL of the signs on the road to that place))
Like the free falling PPS and the many, many issues that have enveloped this company for 2 years and far longer if you look at all companies involved and their past histories and failed businesses?
((... people cant pick and choose something and leave other things out for an agenda or opinion they are trying to get across. That can be unfair, ignorant, or in some cases potentially deceitful.))
Yes, people should be very careful. I agree. Much has been posted both positive and negative with many details left out. If people read this board and see all of the positive stuff and none of the negtative they may be deceived by an agenda which would be very unfair. I already wonder how many people read the positive stuff posted and lost a large % due to anothers agenda for being long and not listing the possible negatives while posting about the positives that never occured.
Once again, have a GR8 evening and GLTY.
PR
I'm sure you R !
I believe you said you tried to buy a bit over $1.
With it now in the .10 range you avoided a 90% loss due to E-Trade not allowing you to buy.
You should be happy as avoiding a 90% loss is the same as making 90% in simple terms.
Had you bought you would now have 90% less money. You avoided buying (due to e-trade restricting you) so you have that 90% back in your pocket.
Some may cry about brokers restricting online trading but as I said, it helps others avoid substantial losses.
If one wanted to buy PAVC bad enough, they could do so with a 2 minute or less phone call. Brokers cannot stop you from buying PAVC. They can simply make you take 2 minutes and a phone call instead of clicking a button on your mouse.
You should be very happy and you are living proof that these restrictions do help people and do not hamper the company IMO. If you are not willing to make a 2 minute phone call to buy PAVC you must not want it that bad. If you really wanted to buy it you would pick up the phone. It's really that simple.
Congratulations on avoiding that 90% loss!
((He is HAPPDAPPITY!!!!!!))
((Is it legal?
If the merger occurs can they actually restrict the currently restricted PAIV shares for another 2-years?))
Yes, it is legal. Will they do it? Don't know yet until we see ALL TERMS but my opinion is they will.
((Here is why I ask...
The people that stayed in during the last merger did so on their own free will knowing full well through full-disclosure that they were going to get stuck with restricted shares for a 2-year period. I would have to assume logically that a company can't just come along every 18-months or so with another transaction and then ultimate "tack on" another 2-year restriction without giving you a choice.
Thoughts please.....))
Doesn't matter. If any company undergoes certain Corporate Changes, they have a lot of leeway to do many many things.
You will no longer own PAVC. You now own a new company and if they decide the terms to form this new company mean they will give restricted shares, then that is what you will get. PAVC will no longer exist. You will own a new company with a new share structure and all that goes with such a corporate change.
Typically, shareholders get to vote on such things but with the PS and OTC issues, most of the time the insiders hold enough to pass any vote they want and trump what the shareholders want.
You do realize they R not just picking on PAVC. Have you seen how many stocks they limit online buying and/or selling on? It is a very large list.
And the lists only contain companies with issues.
Remember the poster who posted within the last day or 3 that he tried to buy PAVC over $1 and e-trade would not let him. Gave the standard answer that they are protecting clients from companies with possible issues.
Do you think that poster is happy or sad that E-Trade did not let him buy over $1?
Considering he would have lost a fortune it is my opinion he is quite happy E-Trade did not let him buy over $1, unless he likes large % losses.
The brokers are not angels. They are certainly a big part of the corruption in the markets IMO. But at the same time, they do help people with these restrictions. The fact is this stock has done nothing but freefall. Anybody that tried to buy but could not is likely breathing a big sigh of relief as they calculate the losses they avoided and would have incurred had the brokers not had restrictions.
Look at the list of stocks each company has online restrictions on. Do you see anything familiar? Notice a pattern? Do some DD on these stocks and you will see most are saddled with many issues and large % declines in valuation. Most also have a detailed history of 'shammy activities'.
Coincidence? Not IMO!
((what is your opinion as to why TDA and Etrade are restricting buying, but not selling?))
IMO, it wont be any different.
I hope it is for the sake of shareholders, but I do not think it will be.
((Why would this time be any different?))
I agree. IF deal goes thru it is my opinion that they will not give cash or free trading shares. The selling would be immediate and intense.
I fully expect shares to be restricted IMO.
Very likely for another 2 years IMO.
((I also think that in TCHH's best interest (not the common PAVC holder, of course), the exchange as far as restricted PAVC, will be for restricted shares of TCHH. Whether or not there is a new restricted date I don't know but it wouldn't come as a surprise that they start a new bagholder birthday.))