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Hmmm... What IF... we presume that there was someone or a party of someones who wanted to buy a whole load of cheap iTKG shares - and what IF the boys promised because they would gain elsewhere (maybe a contract, financing, what-ever) - and what IF... to ensure that it all looks legal... (as in - "hey, there was a newsletter piece which triggered the buying") this piece was published in a respectable newspaper. Just speculating. I think we know jack-shit what's going on behind the scenes.
Still!! I DON'T CARE! It's a wonderful piece of news in a respectable medium - that by itself is something to congratulate!
I agree, a lot of time has passed but let me share some more of my views.
I'd like to compare this to another technology I've been fascinated by - Bluetooth. It was officially introduced in 1998. I heard about this technology back then and the uses were very limited and many people believed it would soon be forgotten. By 1999 3Com, Microsoft, Motorola, Lucent and others (all billion-dollar businesses) joined the boat to help with spreading the hype. In 2004, the Bluetooth SIG (Special Interest Group - the industry leaders) - presumably understanding the potential of the technology according to new understanding of the market - completely revised the specifications (and I imagine, the business model, too). Now, almost 4 years later, look around for the Bluetooth signs.
Now, ElectriPlast. Let's take the Pop Science blurb (which was exactly what it was, a footnote about a small company doing something potentially interesting) and compare the timeline. 2 years later, a complete re-design of the business model comes, the IR is secured in an unusually meticulous manner (were this a scam). On that note, we're now in the early 2000's on the Bluetooth line and things are stirring up.
But... all this with the folks alone. No Microsoft and Lucent and other giant bucks to back it and spread the hype. Well, there's Jasper, which is a significant, and strategic partner, but definitely not as well-known, or as powerful.
And, let'snot forget, all this in an industry that moves, what, 1-, 2-, X-times slower than the mobile / IT industry.
Last but not least, a year which may sound a lot on a personal scale can literally FLY by for a business, not much happening. Takes an iron drive to keep on going. I'm not sure how many of you are aware of that - I've personally been there.
...all I'm trying to say, I'd decided it's not worth the nerves. If it's a scam, then they deserve an Oscar. Time will tell.
Really, why do we still hold this stock? Let's just forget the company, move on to other businesses that are sure-fire x-baggers, since there is oh so many of them out there...
No?!
Any new contract is tough to win. Any contract ITKG gets means less or no bread for whoever is supplying the "lesser" material and they will fight to the end to keep the position. We have no clue what ITKG is going through. Also, I imagine that because ITKG is as small as it is, any big company approached by the product, the first they do is try to figure "can I do it by myself?". That by itself takes a few months, ITKG waiting in the cold.
The guys are working their butts off, 12 hour shifts, inherent to a private business about-to-make it. And here, us shareholders in our comfy chairs, we complain and complain over our morning coffee.
Sorry, everyone, just tired of all the nagging. Sometimes this board reminds me of wives of a struggling busienssman - enough time alone at home and they start making up stupid stories.
I think we have exactly 1% of knowledge that lies behind any decision, including the give-away of the $4000 to Knowles. We only receive bread-crumbs of intelligence, and yet we presume that's all to it.
We've said it a hundred times already. If it works out fine, everyone will be smiley and happy and saying "I knew it all along".
Everyone just relax, breathe and wait. There's NOTHING we can do at this point.
K
I have a feeling that someone is making loads of money with these cycles, going up 50% in less than a month, then topples to 1.4x, then up again to almost 2. I have a feeling it's a way for someone big to silently (or not as -) buy more and more stocks of this thing...
All the frustration - I am past that phase, acceptance was my buzzword a month or two ago. This thing seems like solid gold, and for me it's just a matter to exercise my patience. I feel we'll have the first moves up by the end of the year, back solidly in the 2-3 range, then it's a matter of the snowball effect.
Just for your information... Anything that can be done with EP, it needs molds. And molds usually take about 2 months to manufacture from a 3D model. And that's when you already know what you want. In the phase of testing, it may as well be that there are cycles of design/testing, back and forth. Think, Jasper is only now working on prototypes, these need to be designed, and molded, given to potential customers, to be tested. Response creates a new rendition with optimization or whatever changes are necessary, and the same cycle is repeated. Things just don't move that fast.
In the meantime, I wonder what the boys in Bellingham are up to. :)
kP
Oh please can everybody just calm down.
I see a typical offense-defense game where first of all people identify with their own thoughts/opinions of something. Thus an attack on those opinions is interpreted as an attack on their own personality.
First of all, optimism is great, this stock needs a lot of it and the guys at Bellingham need a good kick in the butt or a PR manager (which in my opinion they could afford at this stage). I have the impression though, that Tom is a bit of an autocrat and a slight egomaniac - BUT, he is still a genius and who has made it all possible. The process and time will shift whatever is necessary and bring in the people that are required if there is no opposition to growth from the inside.
And Marsred, I respect all your notes and research and have to agree with what you say. This company needs some disinfectant on their PR if we're all to see it work. But, boy, you could turn down the attitude a notch. That's just a friendly suggestion, no one sane here really has anything against your opinions, but it's your "tone".
Final thoughts. Despite my being a huge optimist, this board can't just always be singing happy songs here and storm down on anyone who points out something that clearly needs working on. It's these arguments that might make solutions in the end. Who knows, maybe someone in ITKG reads this and it will give them an idea or two.
This just hit me... Has anyone thought of an open letter to the company from the board members, e.g. stating what we feel ITKG should improve or give them some ideas? The challenge is that we're not even on a need-to-know basis and have absolutely no insight as to what's really the Plan (hopefully there is one, hah) so such a letter may be a slightly impudent move. But it might just point their sight in a direction they may not be aware of needs improvement!
Also, if anyone knows how Bluetooth has emerged, there was also a non-profit organization, a Bluetooth Special Interest Group. It had different levels of membership, manufacturers, standard developers, observing members etc. Kind of a "hub" of the Bluetooth industry. Perhaps a Conductive plastics SIG can be started. The SIG would then develop ideas, work with manufacturers etc and do things that ITKG probably can't (yet) because there's only 24 hours in a day...
I've got my life in this one and my guts never let me down. Just, how long?
Strange, status not visible, indeed.
It is possible that the application is being transferred to a different database (publication to patent or something, maybe a different number was issued) and that something got missing. Should be out kind of soon, right? E.g. a few weeks or even end of the month?
Thanks for your reply!
I am in fact a believer and am waiting that the ice is broken with on-off patience. I think the business concept and the product are amazing and the potential is enough for me to be around here.
I understand that it's a very delicate phase we're in - I just hope that it's all part of a strategy that will make perfect sense once we've had enough information and not just(poor)management of events.
I wonder, the person that you spoke to about Bill Robinson, have they met them in person? That can help a lot.
Just on a side note - I'd love to hear one of the employees tell me what a working day at the company looks like.
Hanging in,
K
What are those guys up to? This silence is just crazy, they should be bombarding us with some news every week - reports, contracts, orders. None of that, zilch, nada. Even the Discovery thing has just been swiped under the carpet: amazing potential, but such lousy handling.
What's the deal here? Is someone too busy working on the R&D things or are they simply incompetent when it comes to PR? I say this with all due respect but this is not really the way to treat investors, nonetheless.
At least send an update - things are slow because this and this and this, the patents have moved on and we are now working on. etc.
This guesswork is not healthy, at all!
UGH!
A standstill?
What's going on? Less than 1.500 shares in several hours...
This will be interesting...
K
Hold on, someone has a file for that one? As you can see, the link is now pointing to a different video... I guess DCC is changing the preview videos all the time.
If I (or anyone) has a file, the uploading is a very simple matter, I can guide someone or even do it through my profile. It might need editing the format, I can do that too.
This is killing me...
And THE patent, for pelleted conductive plastic, did I calculate that it's going to take another month? I mean, status of the patent is "Dispatch to FDC" and mostly it took 3-6 weeks after this for the patent to come out.
Question is, will this boost the stock? I mean, in a sense it's already THERE.
Where's Discovery when you need it?
What about the Third party report?
Ugghghghgggghhh.... I just gotta vent, it's taking too slow for my fast way of life.
I'm still happy to be in this!
Any predictions, what stock prices we can expect, e.g. after the Discovery/Third Party report and the patent? I am thinking 5's, but I hope I don't aim too high?
K
True, what the Dickens is taking so long? I reckon that would be one of the first things I would do, 3rd party testing for efficiency.
Also, if you think about it... Time is flying. In a week, a single employee can do a lot. They have, what, 10, 15? What are these people doing?
Interesting discussion and I am happy that it has been brought up. I have thought about this often but it didn't occur to me that perhaps someone on the board might have (access to?) the information.
As we know, there are many applications for the plastic. If there is no doubt to the electrical properties of the material, I wonder what mechanical properties it holds. I know, of course, that the enclosing substrate plastic can be of whatever type but I am just curious. What temperatures could it withhold (e.g. as plastic for heating bodies), how quickly it would be abrazed as e.g. brushes in an electromotor, etc.
It's a wide question, but if there have been any successful tests or any other pieces of information, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Also, has anyone any clue when small companies would be able to acquire a license for EP to develop new products? I'm sure they focus on large accounts at the moment, but it'd be pretty cool to use EP for an innovative product.
Happy Easter, everyone, and good luck to those of us holding this in the coming Q!
I have a gut feeling we're about to take off soon, fellas! I see the patents roll in and some mighty favourable press coming out.
PS Anyone read or seen The Secret? :)
I doubt it, in my opinion it's just plain ridiculous.
A reader who would know the one Integral Tech from the news piece would know it's not even public. An ITKG (potential) holder would of course find it strange, without any further thought, that there's talk of IT security, software, etc. Where the hell is plastic?
Alas, I think something's stirring up...
My heart almost stopped beating today... I wonder what tomorrow brings. Where is that news, where is it???
:)
On ITKG brand and some thoughts.
Hello everyone.
I wrote only a few posts right after joining the iHub and was surprised of the response that my post on why I am an investor received.
By the way, I laughed hard when someone accused that another person used my nickname as one of his aliases. I was at a public computer at the time in school and didn't log in, but by the time I returned home, the post was deleted and there was nothing to respond to.
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My oppinion on the whole matter of poster polarity is that most people on this forum balance between the two extremes. We are all eager to find out more concrete news. Certain things ITKG do make perfect sense and some others leave me wondering, why an opportunity to increase the brand recognition was not used more thoroughly (like the most under-used CES showing). Why did they not also present a cell phone, one of those that Mr. Aisenbrey is supposedly using?
I have a feeling ITKG might have a management/staff that is currently much more technical than marketing-oriented. Another thing is their love for the technology. I am sure it is their child, to them it is omnipotent, and possibly the greatest thing that has ever happened to them. This on one hand is positive as it's giving them the necessary drive (a simple metaphor: it's weekend, 11pm and something needs to be done, they will not think twice but hit the office). The problem with this stance is, they also think that the material itself is enough and that it's a matter of time (and chance) until the world embraces it. Leaving it to "chance" is the worst a management can do.
In this view, I see that they could really use a name of a brand consultant, the type of Mr. Wally Olins (http://www.wallyolins.com - the site has a few interesting reads by itself). They have to deal with subtle branding questions. Any action, public event, press release needs to have a certain goal (that aids in the higher, corporate goals) and it needs to have the same exact high level of quality that the material (supposedly? :) has on the technical level. The whole sum of their techhnical and branding efforts should leave no room for questions, no doubt, but awe, excitement, potential and other notions that most current investors have instinctively ascribed to this brand.
I think, management currently deems that invetsting serious money in the R&D side is sufficient. I would dare to bet that the techies in ITKG feel as if branding is something that one can't touch and is therefore a caprice, something abstract unnecessary. I would dare to say that "JUST" a million spent in top-notch brand consulting and a facelift would exponentially increase the market value of the whole thing. So ElectriPlast in, let's say 5 years, would be not just the material, but a NAME, a brand, worth perhaps 3x as much as the whole company, patents and so on.
Coca-Cola, the single most-used example in branding, proves it otherwise. Today, the biggest value of the group is the BRAND itself. (I don't recall the exact numbers), but I know that the actual sales volume and factories, buildings and machinery make up only about 20% of the total value of the company. The rest is the brand. The fact that when you say refreshing drink, so-and-so many people on this planet think Coca-Cola. The fact that when you see red and white, almost everyone thinks Coca-Cola. Etc. I can't go on, but you get the principle.
The same questions apply here. I see a clear goal for a (possibly unexisting) brand manager of ITKG. In 3 years, when you say conductive polymer, people think Electriplast. When you say hot plastics, people think polymer. When you see warming gloves, etc. people think ElectriPlast. When people see a certain logo (which, by the way, including with all ITKG's current design on display, is done very poorly from the perspective of visual communication). Another important thing, understand that by design I do not mean personal aesthetical preferences (do I like their logo, web page etc.), but rather the specific set of rules that answer the question: does it have the effect it needs to have. I am certain their web page and all the logos were designed by not very competent "so-called" design studios or even in-house computer techies. They are done well, in the technical view, but poorly from the visual communication design perspective. I am certain there was no one that has a BFA degree in actual graphic/communication design. Believe me, it would show.
We come to the bottom line here. The business strategy is laid out. There is a prototype of an idea of a brand, but they do not know exactly what do do with it. A relatively small amount of money (compared to R&D) invested into a brand consultant / design agency is necessary and would be a wise decision. Talk to experts, but REAL experts not charlatans on the field, and they will convince management within a matter of minutes. A brand strategy that leans on the busines strategy will help boost the market and also do another thing - patch up the weaknesses we all feel are coming from the "negative" part of (possible?) investors. I guess one of the goals would also be to make the whole business seem reliable, solid. A problem with this is also, that currently it's not deemed necessary. Competition is weak or there is none. Fizzy drinks are another matter. But imagine they already work on this from day zero...
It can be done. I hope ITKG's management reads this and that it gives them food for thought. I hope it will make them at least discuss this with someone. I have a vision of the company's future (regardless of how the actual product sells) and it's BIG - you wouldn't be able to tell the ITKG of today from that one.
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As for the negativity of some posters. They know a perfectly negative post will cause outrage and all these reactions with quite some anger in it. I would say everyone who reacts like that (even trying to defend something which by default doesn't allow a proper comeback) is a victim of a wicked and vicious childish game. Until you do it, the other side will be enjoying it, it's pure energy and they feed on it. Stop it, or even better - praise them for their "interesting" view. Time will tell, anyway.
And as far as the new investors are concerned, two points: I am sure that anyone with the least sense will know one from the other. Secondly, you can not be responsible for what other people will get from this forum. Do your part, write what you think (the positive sides), and they will create their own image. You will never be able to convince every new investor to have the exact same positive view as you do, it just doesn't work that way.
Another small comment for this being a "bogus" company, a scam. Everyone just analyze a bit, how much it costs to receive a patent. Multiply that by the 200+ applications. All this money for nothing, for air? Not to mention the strict rules that apply to actually receiving a patent (e.g. whatever you're applying for, must be technically proven, valid, workable). So in that sense - the basis is there, it's just a question if they will be efficient enough into bringing anything to a mass production. Also, proper focus and evaluating the risk/reward potential of the first few applications. I think that we already see what's going on here (automotive and air industry for the basis, then comes the mid- and low- markets with the thousands of other applications).
My views on why I AM here, still stand :)
Cheers to everyone,
K
Hey Stephen,
sorry, I am not the person you have in mind.
I just somehow stumbled upon this stock one a few months ago and when I read the first few sentences I knew we were up to something big. I entered at around 2.9 and I haven't stopped observing the stock since.
One of areas I see really exciting is also creating composite materials (e.g. resin plus some kind of thread, be it kevlar, fiberglass or even basalt), which create elements of about 1/10th of the weight of iron and up to twice its strength. I am not sure, where conductive composite material elements could be used.
I am mostly thinking of applications that involve electronic current, but as I understand, ElectriPlast also has excellent thermal properties. Could someone explain about this, what the potential uses are and on what basic physical principles they lean on?
Why I am excited...
Before I begin - I must have written without looking thoroughly at the header of the forum, I just noticed your site is listed. I thank you for your blog, I keep returning almost every 2 days to see if anything new has been posted. I think it is done in a very informative and objective way, at the same time you understand what vision means which I relate to, greatly.
The reason why I believe this to be an exciting ride is that, firstly, the technology is almost a wonder to me.
I think it will profoundly change, well, everything. I have no trouble seeing that it could be bigger than life. Apart from its "standard" (saying as if each of the industries didn't mean billions by itself already) mobile, home electronics, aviation etc., I am excited for products that were not possible or commercially viable until now (like heated jackets, socks, gloves etc.)
The only limit to its uses now is the imagination and the world's inventive minds, currently dormant, are just waiting to be triggered when they hear "by the way" that ElectriPlast exists. Imagine what happens once the product developers in big consumer names find it out, not just in the electronics market, but in pretty much everything that is "tactile".
This is the second reason for my joy in being a holder of these; I feel there is a number of products and solutions that we can not even think of because the ideas were just not born yet.
The 200+ patents filed reflect a tremendous potential of possibly thousands of applications. They arise from the mindset of today; although large, it is still limited. Once the space of this potential has been explored to its edge, I am certain at least twice, tree times as many solutions will pop-up in an aftermath (opening markets of the same proportion).
I reckon that currently, there is a bit of suspicion as to how - real - this really is. As soon as a big name confirms what Integral states (oh, ye of little faith...), it's just a matter of this virus to penetrate the creative minds of the corporations worldwide.
This could just as well become the "plastic" of the future: it's everywhere and we don't even see it.
Just umagine having a cent for pretty much everyhing that you see around you...
Have you known about this:
http://electriplast.blogspot.com/
I think it is an interesting blog to read.
This is going to be an exciting ride, everyone!