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Wyatt Lee, let me correct you. You have not seen products. You have seen product "samples" or "prototypes". You have seen "products" but not "production". What's more important - no offense - is not you but is consumers see products on shelves in tens of stores and be able to buy them. This is what's important.
Also Wyatt, why you are the only one who saw the products or there's something I don't know.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:01:35 AM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 83563 Post # of 83592 [Send a link via email]
I have seen the products, so I know that production is real!
Wyatt Lee, sorry buddy but shareholders do not see anything of what you say. They only see racing and festivals and no production and no sales.
oh by the way, didn't they announce before securing a lot of distributors? Why have anymore meetings while the current distribution channels haven't even started yet. Shouldn't he put this time in production better than distributors meetings and racing?
By the way, don't tell me now he puts his time in production instead because we don't see any.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:52:37 AM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 83543 Post # of 83557 [Send a link via email]
The CEO indulges in Distributor meetings throughout the week, coast to coast.
This is happing daily, but not PR'd!
So...in short the CEO is putting in 15 to 18 hours a day creating business for the company.
Race Marketing is just a weekend event.
This weekend will be Loudon (televised) and Newton, IA.
Wyatt Lee, while shareholders actually are waiting for pictures of products being sold in stores. Got the problem now? This company is not about racing but still this is all what we receive.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:46:37 AM
In reply to: huppo who wrote msg# 83539 Post # of 83550 [Send a link via email]
Pictures of the KOMA decals being applied to the Truck
Wyatt Lee, let me tell you:
1- Shareholders see a distracted CEO who focuses more on his hobby (racing) and insists on attaching that hobby to the company while the main products of the company do not receive the same attention.
2- Shareholders get the perception that the money of their shares are being poured into racing to satisfy the desire of the CEO (whether right or wrong, for newbies, this money comes from the company!)
3- As a result of the above (no production, no sales, and a lot of buzz), when money dries out what is the logical move? Dilution to get more money (more easy money).
4- Time and effort (if not also money) wasted on racing would better be directed to production and sales.
5- Every time the anticipating and anxious shareholders receive a PR but then get frustrated after finding it about racing or any other irrelevant issue, it lowers the moral and helps in devaluing the PPS. It also increases the belief that the company has nothing real to talk about or they would've done it.
And I can go on and on.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:32:59 AM
In reply to: greedfl who wrote msg# 83534 Post # of 83538 [Send a link via email]
Please explain how this does harm??
Comments on the last PR:
"The dynamic alliance of ..."
Dynamic alliance? What is that exactly, just an ambiguous term. In other words: We didn't say anything specific so there will be nothing to hold against us!
"Bebida Beverages will be showcasing their..."
Again, isn't all the "showcasing" made so far enough? so why they "showcase" again? Isn't there any news about "producing and selling" instead of "showcasing" then "showcasing" then "showcasing"?
"This should be another opportunity of growth for both of these brands"
Shouldn't be there something first to grow? As far as I know there are only samples and so they need to start first then to grow.
"a premier occasion to meet with distributors, stores, and other people of interest"
Didn't Brian announce before securing relations with too many distributors and stores? Has he fulfilled the demand of those parties to start with? Is there an excessive production that can not be distributed or sold to try to find even more distributors and stores? This is really strange!
"The relaxation beverage category is predicted to be the fastest growing segment of the beverage category"
Bang drums! The segment is growing but what about BBDA itself? Is it growing with the segment. This is a distraction from BBDA itself to lure new stock buyers.
Fluff fluff fluff!!!
At the end I want to know who paid the cost of this BBDA+Potencia PR? Is it BBDA who paid to promote both companies or they shared or is it Potencia alone? Does Potencia promote BBDA too in its PR?
Wyatt Lee, you missed the point. I did not say you have control over the website or that you have to fix it. My reply was about your post #82198 where you wrote "The website does have it's flaws! But I not sure how much BW wants to put into at this time." so I replied that it's unacceptable to have those flaws and mentioned my rational for it.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:32:48 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 82218 Post # of 82221 [Send a link via email]
You're correct, but I have no control to correct it. If I had the power to change it, I would.
Wyatt Lee, a company manager who promotes his company products on all possible fronts being it sport or car racing or festivals must also "want" to put each and everything possible on the company's website which is the primary image on the web. If he's not putting everything possible despite all the other promotion efforts then this would be very contradictory and calls for an explanation, right? Also after all this effort and time, if he's unable to manage the development of a simple and inexpensive website that takes a single web developer then this is another incomplete indicator. It's not acceptable to have such a simple website with "flaws" especially if they can be easily fixed.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:01:41 PM
In reply to: robdel who wrote msg# 82182 Post # of 82213 [Send a link via email]
The website does have it's flaws! But I not sure how much BW wants to put into at this time.
greedfl, does that mean that you don't know if there are any sales figures or that the "Potencia 3-year-old" drink is not yet on shelves after a whole 3 years! Please clarify cuz that makes a lot of difference if the same management repeat the same history with BBDA products. Could make sense also why they are using BBDA to promote and maybe finance Potencia to save it from a dark fate. Anyone knows Potencia's situation as it seems there's not details about it and it could be kept hidden on purpose!!! Biran gives every reason to think bad about his actions.
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Posted by: greedfl Date: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:37:02 AM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 81990 Post # of 82056 [Send a link via email]
Havent seen any sales figures for Potencia - for that matter haven't seen it on the store shelves either
greedfl, but aren't they already competent with Potencia? If they want to be competent they can.
yungmoon, what after exposing, isn't it enough with that. The brand has been exposed already and surely a demand has been created but have they done anything to fill that demand? On the other hand, if all the promoting efforts done so far have not succeeded in creating a demand then enough with promotion and exposure as it's not useful and find something else to do instead of wasting effort and time.
It's either Brian has learned the game of stinky pinky and is practicing it now or he is naive and does not know that he can not keep joining races or throwing parties to distract the disgruntled shareholders. He must know that his credibility is at stake now after all the mumbo jumbo he's been doing. I hope it's only naivety that could be brought back on the right track as legal crookedness that leads to easy money (and free funds for Potencia) will never not be fixed.
Comments on the new PR:
"...and this is yet another perfect opportunity for us to increase our brand recognition"
Again brand recognition. Haven't they increased it already through carnivals, martial arts sponsoring, and irrelevant car racing? Isn't it the time to increase production and sales of products instead?
"POTENCIA Energy Drink is a 3-year-old Latin..."
Again, a PR about BBDA with the name of Potencia stuck unnecessarily. Why keep mentioning the irrelevant Potencia brand, he's using the PR and the money spent on it to promote Potencia again. Now what has BBDA got back from Potencia in return. We know about the touted possibilities but I meant what actually has BBDA got back from Potencia as a fact to keep promoting it this way whether there's a Benefit for BBDA from that or not? At least has Potencia paid a share in this PR cost to has it's name mentioned? If not, it's name should've not been mentioned at all. Answer this Brian please.
I want to know why Brian keeps sticking Potencia products and name in every BBDA news and why does he refer to Potencia as "our products". The PR is under BBDA's name only which means Potencia is not "their product". It's misleading to keep pushing Potencia in each and every news release without clearly stating that they are 2 different companies with a relation that's yet undecided. It makes new comers believe that BBDA has been producing Potencia for 3 years.
On the other hand, as long as Potentica was mentioned in this PR, I'd like to see the sales revenues of this 3 year old product during this period to see how that management was efficient with it. It gives a hint to how BBDA could fare. Does anyone has this info?
Jdub33328, I agree with you. Brian and BBDA keep banging drums but it's empty inside. They are only about creating buzz and noises to attract new stock buyers and create profit. Every time I say maybe this time but Brian keeps excelling at evading the core points (production and selling of BBDA's products). When the online store was announced before its launch, I said why another online store whlie BBDA is already selling water online through another channel. To my surprise, I found that the new online store does not even sell BBDA's drink products and instead sells a product of another company (Potencia) and a couple of garments with logos of one of the products while the product itself is not available in the same store. Now all we hear about BBDA is car racing, sport, and clothes but nothing about the company's main line of business.
The relation between BBDA and Potencia is becoming more and more suspicious. I become more convinced with each new development that BBDA's core purpose is to serve Potencia, their real beloved baby. BBDA can not generate an endless stream of money through selling an unlimited stock, this is a revenue stream in itself that tempts of exploiting even the most honest managers. Maybe Brian didn't want it at first but now that he has learned how to use that gold mine he found in his possession, it seems he couldn't resist the temptation... bang drums, sell shares... bang drums, sell shares.
Can Brian stop his nonsense and announce BBDA's commitment to a specific date to start selling the product on mass scale? Let's see.
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Posted by: Jdub33328 Date: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:05:21 AM
In reply to: Wyatt Lee who wrote msg# 80429 Post # of 80469 [Send a link via email]
Thank You.
I know you think that I'm bashing, but I truly am happy for everyone here who celebrated this run! I want to believe in this company as well ( I used to )
But to only offer Potencia on the new site is a slap in the face.
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srloan, the only real measure is production and selling. Do not measure by the PPS unless it goes high and stays there constantly not temporarily. If there's new coming, it's better be about production and selling.
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Posted by: srloan Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:11:50 PM
In reply to: PitBully who wrote msg# 79616 Post # of 79632 [Send a link via email]
no scam real thing here
Sputnik, and all other pending products. We receive more racing news than news about the products, not to mention no news at all about production!!!
PitBully, it's simply the new carrot (the possible merger) did not work. At least he tried. Now we should prepare for a new carrot. Brian keeps buzzing about everything except the core points: Sales and production!!!
chocherita, as far as I know, there's already an online store where you can order products and some posters did so already before. It's not wise to reinvest more time and money in building another online store where there's already a channel to order products online, so it's better to link the website to the existing store. However, the trading community already knows about the online ordering and what they are really waiting for is products in hundreds of stores picked up by hand off the shelves.
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Posted by: chocherita Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:46:00 AM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 79279 Post # of 79283 [Send a link via email]
Here the link: Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:22:56 PM
In reply to: MrHealy415 who wrote msg# 78789 Post # of 79280 [Send a link via email]
Yes, the online store will be available next week on the website!
chocherita, what web site upgrade do you mean? If you meant launching the current website then this is a downgrade to the whole situation not upgrade. If you meant upgrading the current crappy website, the quote below from the newsletter implies months before anything takes place. Please explain.
From the newsletter: "We didn’t want to go to extremes with the site until we have decided unequivocally about the potential merger VS an alliance with Potencia USA LLC. This will be a major topic for discussion in the coming months between Daisy Ramirez..."
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Posted by: chocherita Date: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:48:11 PM
In reply to: AMA33 who wrote msg# 79260 Post # of 79277 [Send a link via email]
MY prediction BBDA will be at least 0.0010 by Friday.MM decide to move this up, volume is increasing lately on expectation on new web side upgrade it.T hope they do it professionally. JMHO.
locksflooring, I really can't understand your post. You replied to my post but wrote "Wyatt" and your post it totally irrelevant to the points I mentioned in my post and do not answer any of them!!! Besides you talk about children while I do not see any on this board.
What is the relation between answering questions about production, selling, product editions, promotion, and between running a board and what makes it full of children?
As I always say, when someone on the board leaves the post (topic) and attacks the poster (person), he declares that he has nothing to say and better save himself the embarrassment. Everyone makes his own decision though.
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Posted by: locksflooring Date: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:27:02 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 79217 Post # of 79229 [Send a link via email]
Wyatt why is it that the posters cant seem to understand what its like to moderate a board full of children.Or better yet just change your name to Brian Weber it might save you some insult .Now I know why we cant say Merry Christmas anymore and why America is trashing itself.
Wyatt Lee,
Has the flag ship products (Koma) rolled out yet?
Hasn't that water been proven enough (including the logo) that it was supposed to be produced and sold on a mass scale long ago?
Has the selling of the initial water product been proved and stabilized before starting to think of other editions of the product? (8oz or 10oz bottles)
Will BBDA get enough with being a concept or prototypes company showing product concepts to make a buzz and when the time comes for production it surprises the community with a new concept product and create a new buzz and so on?
Brian needs to know that the investors are interested in two things only: Production + Selling!!! Anything else is becoming beyond ridiculous.
Isn't it enough from Brian going in circles around the main point (produce + sell) to secondary things? Production and selling are the core, let him do and excel in them first then we'd appreciate the races and promotion. It's not accepted to see him investing time and money in races while ending up after a lot of time with a crappy website. Now I'm sure that Brian is doing the racing thing for himself not for BBDA but no harm to stick the logo of the product on the car too, it needs some decoration!
And before anyone says it... no I will not leave, I'll stay and criticize! If something must change so it must be BBDA/Brian to change by starting production and selling not posters to stop criticizing the buzz-producing company.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:01:17 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 79212 [Send a link via email]
It was amazing to look around the garages this weekend and see so many people drinking Piranha Water!!
The next race at Gateway will bring a huge marketing platform for the Piranha Water brand, due to the fact that NASCAR's Camper World Truck Series (nationally televised) will be there, and Dillon will be driving in both the ASA and the NASCAR series that weekend.
There has been a request by many drinking Piranha Water, that maybe there could be a smaller version of the 20 oz. bottle.
It seems more consumable in a smaller bottle because, when a bottle is opened, only a little more than half is being consumed in the initial gulp. When that person goes back for another drink, ( maybe 15+ min later ) it has gotten hot.
So, making a 8oz or 10oz bottle would eliminate that problem.
Maybe something new like "Piranha Bite(s)".
From the newsletter:
"We didn’t want to go to extremes with the site until we have decided unequivocally about the potential merger VS an alliance with Potencia USA LLC."
Translation: We have decided to give the shareholders and traders a new carrot to chase.
What an excuse. What's the relation between the website and the new carrot? Build a quality website now reflecting the current situation as it is and when there are new developments, show them on the web site, what will it take from the web developer then? 2 days? NAIVE EXCUSE.
"This will be a major topic for discussion in the coming months..."
Translation: The new carrot will be good for many months to come until we milk the traders enough.
And lastly, this week this website will have a fully functional store of its own...
Isn't there already a way to order online? What's new here? The website itself shows a bad taste too.
"We have come a long way but have a very long way to go."
Impression: Prepare yourself for a very long time before you see anything (if any).
"We have had at least 3-4 new distributors and retailers contacting us every week for the last several months. Either because of our continued racing and media coverage, our sampling and other events, or the buzz we have been continuing throughout the beverage media."
Isn't there supposed to be 2,000 distributors already ready and waiting or am I missing something, correct me here please. Brian, WHERE IS PRODUCTION???
After all that, is there anything about production in this newsletter?
KELLYCO, the domain name should not affect the web hosting. This is another question, if there's a domain problem, BBDA can still have a professional hosting (which is not expensive by the way and provides a temporary link to use without a domain name) and when the domain issues are solved they link the domain to the website.
A domain linking to a free hosting is humiliating for a company and very unprofessional.
From what I see on the homepage of the free hosting ( http://www.webs.com ), it seems the design is one of the ready made templates and of poor design. Does that mean after all that time BBDA resolved to using a free hosting and a free ugly design. Will the same quality apply to the products too?
Oh, I forgot, Brian has a very good excuse, he does not have a time, he's busy with the car racing!
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Posted by: KELLYCO Date: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:05:40 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 79003 Post # of 79013 [Send a link via email]
It is a free website with free hosting.
Wyatt says the other bebida domain namse will be forwarded to this freebie website.
I guess all the dilution money is going towards race cars.
http://www.webs.com/
What is that crap? Is that a website? The company should be ashamed of it and it's awful design. I have a lot of questions that I wish Brian would answer:
I want to know why does a website about Bebida Beverages show photos of a racing car on its homepage instead of the company products? Not only that, the racing car shows the logo of Potencia. Whay is it shown there?
Why does the galleries show Potencia products? Why does the "Potencia & Pirahna Events" show Potencia drink in most of the photos? Doesn't Potencia has it's own website to advertise on? Doesn't BBDA have enough materials of its own so it uses Potencia's to cram the website to give the illusion of a lot of buzz?
Why doesn't Potencia show BBDA's products on its website too?
I hope this is a prank and not the real website!!! I hope also that BBDA forget about Potencia from now on and focuses about BBDA's product in everything.
kobebwannab, I don't follow this stock so I don't know but I like Level 2, shows a very good potential if things worked well.
bella99, I doubt. Filling the AS (dumping) would push the price down not up. It's already up since yesterday. Also they can not push the price up to dump later as there's no way to control the price unless the company or MMs is the side that buys to create buying pressure and if they do so to dump later they would be the ones who loses after buying high then dumping, not a smart move at all. It's more likely to me that something is going on. Let's watch the show.
kobebwannab, this is normal. A lot of shareholders made about 300%+ and now they must sell for profits. Level 2 shows very little resistance up to 0.01 though. Any little pressure and it could explode. Let it churn out and see where it goes.
4x0.0013 BID / 2x0.0014 ASK but changing fast.
Wyatt Lee, you are repeating the same annoying thing like many others do. alexandertg4 posted a very good and smart concern and instead of reply to him you escaped from answering the issue and distracted the discussion and again... invited him to sell and leave. It's again the same manner: either posters cheerlead for the stock or sell and leave but do not post anything negative. I remind you that this board is for discussing all opinions positive as well as negative and as long as the concern is worthy, it's better to reply to it (I mean reply to "it" and stay focused on the issue itself) or you simply do not need to reply. Distracting discussions of opposing opinions imply trying to influence the board in a certain direction, something I'm sure you are not trying to do.
There are investors here who are not happy but they will not leave because they got stuck to their necks with the stock after too much cheerleading upon which they got in heavily then it was no met with delivering to the promises. Those investors will NOT sell and leave and will keep criticizing the management actions they don't like. At least let them be there to warn new investors from what's going on.
I expect you will delete this post but at least I got it off my chest.
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Posted by: Wyatt Lee Date: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:50:36 PM
In reply to: alexandertg4 who wrote msg# 77719 Post # of 78010 [Send a link via email]
If you are not happy with the current status and progress, I invite you to get out of BBDA.
variant2, if the situation has settled to unlimited A/S instead of 7 billion then this would be a death statement for BBDA. Did Brian find out that 2 billion shares more will not be enough and wants to maximize the benefit from his cash machine called BBDA? As I see it now, BBDA is a blood donor for Potencia whose only purpose is to provide an additional income for their beloved child, Potencia while BBDA's name is stuck beside Potencia's in every PR to keep the public interest for buying more BBDA shares.
By the way, that's that news about ungagging the TA at the end of August? Why not now? Is it to give a chance to dump more shares till then? Red flags everywhere.
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Posted by: variant2 Date: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:13:13 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 76401 Post # of 76404
To correct you both, Brian does not have an extra 2 billion shares -- he has an extra UNLIMITED number of shares since there's currently no cap.
kiefur, increasing the O/S is called dilution no matter what the reason is. A stock could be diluted by the company selling more common shares and increasing the O/S until the A/S is reached and this could be happening now if Brian has been selling shares of the remaining 2 billion.
Here's Investopedia's definition of dilution:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dilution.asp
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Posted by: kiefur Date: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:30:22 PM
In reply to: Sputnik who wrote msg# 76390 Post # of 76398
Dilution would be issuing more stock. If you would just check the facts then you would realise that BBDA had an additional 2 billion shares that it could use to raise capital for production, promotion, paying bills etc.
I'm sure that a bright fellow like you must realise that there is not a bill paying magic wand that Brian can just wave and everything will be taken care of.
Please be more careful in your choice of words.
Best regards....
huppo, it is a BBDA and Potencia PR! I'm quoting this form the PR:
"Bebida Beverages and Potencia Energy Drink are proud to announce that they have developed a promising relationship with YOUnited TV"
It was announced by BBDA and Potencia not by YOUnited. BBDA and Potencia are the ones who are trying to create something out of nothing.
"Not only is it nothing but fluff it's not even a BBDA PR! Seriously..what the heck does this PR have to do with BBDA? Nothing! It's a Younited TV PR!"
It seems BBDA's strategy is to focus on everything except what's important! (maybe to create a buzz and sell shares? If so, it's not working anymore)
I don't mind seeing such activities when there's a solid foundation of production to build on but with a company that's been having difficulty coming up with a product label design for about 3 months, I think this is becoming ridiculous. Of course I don't believe the Koma label design story anymore and see it as an excuse to keep the public interest. Advertising and promotion are not important unless there's production and selling, something we don't know about yet.
I see potential in BBDA and keeping my eye on it but learned form experience that when a company keeps going in circles around the main points and not touching the important concerns and issues (production, selling, SS, CE, ...etc) and when they start inventing news out of trivial issues (what was YOUnited PR about exactly?) then this would be a red flag and time to watch out.
billr, calling for posting only the type of posts that you like on the board and those who have a different opinion should not post and rather sell and leave is unacceptable. In addition to the pennies investing rules you suggested of having a strong stomach and investing only what one can afford to lose, there's another rule that you must know yourself. Disgruntled and angry investors will post negative and angry comments and they have the right to do so, this is a fact. Also know that whoever bought at high prices due to company's cheerleading and got stuck and does not want to realize their losses by "selling and moving on", know that they will not leave and will not sell and will stay hoping for a run to get out with their initial investment. They will stay here and they will post their angry comments and will not sell and will not move on. I can not imagine getting stuck with such a stock and seeing things I don't like then not even have the right to get the pain off my chest by speaking it out and share it with other investors only because another poster does not like to see negative posts. The PPS is not waiting for a good or bad posts to go up or down, company's actions and results will override any posts good or bad. Unless this board is marked as a "Cheerleading Only" board, you yourself should be prepared to hear the positive and the negative too. Maybe by posting the negative, the management know that investors are not satisfied with their actions and do something about it (if they care).
That was long but I'm fed up with posters who are trying to dominate the boards and shape them in the way they like. Any poster should know he's only a peer, don't tell people to stay or leave because you like or dislike what they express in their posts, they can decide for themselves.
And I hope posters focus on objective discussions about investment issues rather than calling for other to leave every time they face a worthy comment or complain they they can not reply to.
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Posted by: billr Date: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:54:39 AM
In reply to: None Post # of 75733
Hey!!!
I have a suggestion that makes far more sense than all the complaining on the board here.
Those of you who are unhappy with having your funds in BBDA just sell your shares and move on. No one is forcing you to stay in this stock.
To start with anyone who invest in penny stocks should first have a strong stomach and nerves of steel. Next they should never put any money into a pink stock that they are not at liberty to throw away or lose.
It is always a gamble and all the griping in the world is not going to improve your situation. On the contrary it is more likely to make it worse.
As for myself I am happy with the funds I have in BBDA and if I had more uncommitted funds I would buy a few more million shares.
Peace
BillR
Dem Franchise, what I understood from Brian's video is that the A/S was already 7 billion and what he did was "discovering" that number.
If your assumption is correct (shares were sold above the legal A/S limit) then still he was supposed to raise the A/S to legalize the shares held by the shareholders or too many shareholders who bought after the date when the A/S was reached could find the shares in their hands illegal and should be discarded.
However, if your assumption is correct, the question would be where did the money of these illegal shares (if any) went (about 3.4 billion shares sold around 0.0004 = approx. $1,36 million). It's either still in the company or went to the previous management who in this case should return that illegal money to BBDA and in both cases that money is better to be directed to buying back shares then the A/S should be reduced to avoid the possible 2 billion dilution.
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Posted by: Dem Franchise Boyz Date: Friday, June 19, 2009 3:58:44 PM
In reply to: Jdub33328 who wrote msg# 75143 Post # of 75145
im sorry but there is no way Brain hasnt known share structure for a long while...if illegal shares were printed without his knowledge he could file leagl action instead of raising a/s......he knew shares were printed during his first CC but he avoided telling anyone SS for another month while he allowed thsoe new shares to hit market...this is not rocket science!!
pocket.change, if stopping reading the boards is the solution then do it yourself. I won't stop reading and won't stop criticizing what I don't like. Live with it.
chris_in_ny, it seems you didn't get the point. I criticized the newsletter, something I have the right to do. Instead of receiving rational replies or engaging in mature discussions, I mostly received attacks and calls to leave the boards. Trace the thread back to understand what I'm saying. I'm almost out of posts and it's not adding any value to engage in such discussion about the very basics of how to establish a healthy discussion. I rest my case as I said all what I wanted and not willing to keep repeating myself. GLTA.
chris_in_ny, now you get me; whether you subscribe to the newsletter or not it will come to you so the company should keep this in mind when releasing a newsletter. And no I will not take BBDA and IHUB off my readings. This is a company I'm interested in investing in and I will keep following and because I'm interested in that's why criticizing it. This board was not marked as an information dissemination board only, people discuss both opinions. If the board is for "agreeing" opinions only and those who do not agree should go away, this was supposed to be announced so no one tries to disagree or leaves if he does. The attitude of either like and agree or go away is not right. I'm the one who decides whether to stay or not. If you do not like disagreeing opinions then I encourage you to be the one who leaves.
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Posted by: chris_in_ny Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:12:09 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 74954 Post # of 74955 [Send a link via email]
You found it "in your face" like anyone forces you to follow BBDA or ihub... The newsletter was sent to those of us that WANT that type of communication, and someone here asked that it be posted...
If you wish to discontinue the "in your face" communication, you're welcome to take BBDA and ihub off your "favorites" list and move on...
chris_in_ny, you got a point here except that I found that newsletter in my face on the board and that Brian mentioned that he won't PR fluff but only results when achieved. Now if this discussion will come about whether non-results could be announced in newsletters because technically they are not PRs then I'm out. Subscriber or not, news comes to you as an investor and new investors won't ask whether fluff is coming through newsletters or PRs, they will simply find it on the boards and this should be taken into account.
Wardo22, this is what I'm calling "substantial" information. Numbers, measures, or indicators of product acceptance during the festival (hopefully measured somehow), how many sold at what rate, stuff like that and it's absolutely doable. I wish we heard something about the festival results before they repeated the same news again.
The moderators seem to delete personal attacks so posts which is good as I don't need to keep relying to attacks. I said all I want to say and I don't like to repeat myself. Just one thing to know, I'm one of the people in the investing community and surely there are many who have the same opinion not only me and this is how a portion of that community perceives Brian's actions.
GLTA.