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Interesting PR, based on Ooh La Lemin sales if you just multiply just a basic x5 x7 Rev, which i cant imagine it being any less, that sale might be over 5M.
There is alot in this PR, company feels they could be profitable again in 2024, seems as a shift more to distribution, wonder what plans are for other brands
As of June Revenues at 2.2, Company value 3.2
Cost of Revenue went down and net loss went down yoy. They just need to stay the course but do need to accelerate sales to keep cutting that net loss.
Kgkg is copacking their production, means production is external. Dont see how the new partnership would help much in lowering cost of revenue, they have to merge product over is only thing that would make sence.
I do like idea of brining in another product idea, like Ooh la lemin, except ooh la lemin was an existing brand it was cheap to aquire and now it's the only product kgkg is moving (the revenue), this new brand would be another revenue source and it does have an angle a story.
Launching a new product, ooh la lemin is pretty much flat from last years yoy, this stock is an extremely long shot. I don't see how it breaks even (Net Profit) this year which is one comment made by RC. Company has distribution in place, new product should roll out sales much faster. I would think net profit is more likely late 2024. The longer the deeper the debt trap.
Highdrate, get this thing going already. You could get High with out anything related to cbd thc, high on vitamin B. One day it could be used for the intention but just the wrod Highdrate....HELLO RC. This is the whole reason I'm here. Do you want to sell Highdrate? Mention on PR, I'm confident there will be a buyer.
Well reguardless, this junk is still undervalued.
Thanks TucsonPhil for your contribution to this chat room. Your effort to keep your map upto date with their expansion via their active distributing stores was impressive.
Yeah its sad when we see a company with potential not be able to execute. This last RC move seems to have seriously backfired.
We would think with recent tweets, that pumped up tweet on sales would eventually be reported, I'll still will give them time but I'm sure if they don't have a good story we likely would see some type of litigation.
Best wishes on your future investments
Yeah the delayed silence wouldnt be a sound strategy for a company that depends on and has depended on that constant pump pr approach.
Something has to be going on here...hopefully not fraud, hopefully something legal and promising for kgkg shareholders. We don't even know if this guy was kidnapped? Hey could we make a wellness check on this guy? Just to make sure he is safe, that would be hilarious. Have a cop come by to make sure he is doing fine and still around.
Yeah today's market action after that press release says it all, shareholders are not listening anymore to BS and shmp needs to sell shrimp and stop selling shitp. Hope they are not raising them as pet's.
Seriously, this is the only thing that would make sence for me right now. If we get a PR that explains how Gerald grew fond of the shrimp and decided he didnt want to sell them instead wanted them as little shrimp pets for his massive aquarium funded by his shareholders. That would make complete sence. Well unfortunately we can't vote him out because they control voting rights. I totally envision thouse shrimps by now have grown long white beards with two three generations swimming around in their luxurious eco pool funded by shmp shareholders. Thanks to investors like us, we are helping protect the shrimp species from human consumption in our research driven facilities. Donate today and save our shrimps. Shrimp Lives Matter.
We're working overtime to cover the loses. ;)
Ryan Ryan he's our man, if he can't do it yet everyone can!
We're working overtime to cover the loses. ;)
Ryan Ryan he's our man, if he can't do it yet everyone can!
Don't like the way you come across justthefax.
You go on these elaborated useless verbal tantrums. Chill guy. Why the insults? What do u mean look at the Q's like I am an investor that just thows darts in the OTC market without doing my DDs.
I don't really chat much in these chats, just periodically check the pulse, sometimes there some unique thoughts and added value but frankly your analysis is as elaborate as that pickle boner chart RC posted on X few weeks back.
This is exactly why there mergers. Just like any negotiation, I would imagine they are bringing something to the table and the one thing that comes to mind that kgkg likely is seeking is capital infusion. The CAPI side would need to production, two companies sharing purchases in ingredients should also help lower average production cost overall on the kgkg side. Another potential, CAPI producing at KGKG there should be revenues generated on kgkg side producing their products. There many variables that would still make sence, we should get clarification soon. I had a feeling the June was going to be delayed. It just can't be a flat out fraud, I mean I really hope not, there was fluid communications all the way till the CAPI period. I think there few delicate things they need to clear through their legal teams. This is what has me intrigued, how is this new relation going to be structured.
Under CAFI PR just yesturday, it was announced the move of CAFI brands into the 746 North Drive in Melbourne, Florida address which is same address as KGKG. More and more it seems to me these companies are blending as one, now they are on same building. We should also get a PR soon, seems it's material information as having another corp in same industry move in the same building and utilizing our KGKG funded location and material/ tools etc and also our intelectual property. Would imagine some clarification on this new relation. I still think this will eventually be a merger, could be a reason as to the delays on reporting and PR. Im not an expert on specifics related to the quiet period which occur during mergers but do know there are limits on PR communications, yet this address change was announced yesterday. I'm holding for the long run, like product, time will tell what this all evolves too.
Best strategic major retail chain they could announce is Kroger. Costco is and Amazon are better distribution channels for established products. Yes I know we are in Amazon already, just feel you don't have that walk the idle and grab the "o what's this product" opportunities. Costco sells in bulk, established brands. Kroger.
We should get a PR from RC soon addressing the kgkg shareholders, hopefully it elaborates better his recent decision and how this material information could impact kgkg shareholders.
The announcement we saw was really a PR for the "51" company announcing changes to their management structure. We should get one focused on our shareholders and what to expect
Well I agree in part, this is what some of us are saying it has to be merger, cause these two are too closely aligned and it's a conflict of interest. This guy is the CEO of other company too.
I would not agree with CEO being in two companies that are practically aligned in strategy, thats a conflict of interest, it has to blend together. Very valid point was vrough up, there is intelectual property related to the established distribution routes and knowledge, that is kgkg shareholder property, and CEO must act on shareholder best interest, any attorney would bring this up as an issue my thinking "not being an attorney opinion". They just cant add verbaige to the filings after and state clauses the ceo could do this, this was not something i would not have agreed to when i invested, so you guys could have all the distrust in RC u want, there certain lines where that really doesnt matter, the legal aspect should make sure shareholders best interest is protected. 101 CEO handbook. This has to be a merger at this point, my opinion, dont see how this would shape up anyother way at this point. Even if RC gets traded and we get new CEO, he took role while serving our best interest.
I get the other side is a shell and just an idea with an angle which is really all that kgkg could afford at this point of the game cause we can't actually aquire any existing brand lines at this point.
Guys I think RC is not all that bad as a manager, he has anticipated issues and taken action and made great moves at times. The Ooh la lemin move that is what is holding us up here right, he figured out that the cbd was not being accepted in industry as we he desired so he made a tough decision to switch company strategy to a lemonade "during economical hard times" if you think about it, guess what that is in school of business books, alignment of lemonade and recession periods. It worked. Now he is addressing another concern I had, diversifying your product lines, check. Has a game plan, check. Angle, check. Checks coming in, where's the check ;) no check. But u know what I mean.
Hey that other ooh la lemin, I said should be used as a alcohol mix sold at liquor stores, that thing is freaking strong tasting stuff but when u mix in with alcohol you don't even taste the alcohol, at least on taste test I did when I couldn't drink the thing by itself. Taste amazing as mixer. O another RC move, he went to the sparkling version which is the main mover of ooh la lemin from what I see.
I think some want that ticket out with that one big winner and retire, get away, these things are long term plays ya'll. So is this acquisition, easily 2-3 y before seeing its potential really show. Fellas I think RC is ok, but if this dude thinks he's going to not hear from shareholders in running two companies with conflicting interest...I might be voicing my thought a little different
Great point
What I meant was the expected 2q sales summary we typically get July, that we havent received yet and could be slightly delayed perhaps this year, few moving components this year and won't suprise me that summary would be slightly delayed.
Yesturdays PR didnt contained our summary on sales because that was more of a PR for the other company, it would not have had an aesthetic touch blending our sales summary on the same PR.
Yeah, read on one comment where someone seemed to have been disappointed no sales update was provided. Got to be more of an Orchastra conductor here, timing could provide a euphonious effect enhancing the overall output you get from it...a smooth pump like a stroke of that errected RC chart. Lol. But really, some of yall just want to hear it all at once, so proof there worse managers out there. Hey we don't have a HOF of management here, but atleast things are moving.
Comment on taking years to develop....really! That's the value kgkg adds to their brands, it likely would take about 6m to 1 year and new brand would be distributed same areas our Ooh la lemin
Like the prospective potential on the sales update for our past quarter, RC has been excited on sales from his tweets and his errected chart haha that pen-us looking presentation.
Feels as we are running on target.
Would really like if KGKG could expand their product lines, the CBD drinks just have not been embraced and we can't sit back as the sole strategy of this company. You can't compare the partnership with Elevate, that was two companies with same CBD objectives, the partnership will bring sports supplement drinks which would better diversify our product lines.
There just limited options as to how you can expand your product lines from the position KGKG is in, this makes sence if they strategically align with another company to launch products from and piggy back off the distribution expansion/progress our Ooh la Lemin products have had. It's like Lemonade is a gateway drug; )
As stated in PR, there are marketing angles they have with the guys that are coming in. Product lines such as Prime have utilizes similar success with similar approach, why can't we.
This has to merge, RC can't be running two companies with conflicting interest.
Awww. One hour halted was for that news, was hoping the merger pending news was aligned same day. Dang. Ok let's see what this is all about. All assumptions on my end, just don't see how this could work being two separate entities, just makes sence to blend then in together or RC will be walking a very thin line when acquisitions happen. I get the name change prior to merge (my assumptions), just looks better, shell name looks like an auto parts store. 51 looks like a quick name fix to just PR the merger with a better asthetic look I guess. Yeah what's the point selling anything here, I like my risk here, just will sit back and watch what develops from this. Don't have a crystal ball, who the heck really know other that the guys making the moves where they are going with this.
Yeah this could end up being great news, if we merge, we're expanding products, diversifying, using existing distributors. HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW! Where is my bash bro at!
With these OTC you never know, there is also that slight chance a CEO thinks this would not be a conflict, but reguardless if that is case then cash-in for my legal team. ;)
O yeah, think we are on a trading halt. If so this is a merger
That's what I think is coming ahead. Think these two will merge.
He said
Our first and foremost call to order will be processing the name change of the Company to align with our sports supplement, fitness equipment, and health and wellness focus.
Health and Wellness seems quite close to KGKG strategic concept, these company will have to merge. Making decisions being CEO of these two companies would bring up many conflict of interest questions, this has to merge.
Think this is what he met by Strategic Partnership. Makes sence on the delay of his Record Breaking PR post after month end, and his June tweet of a fully erected sales chart ;)
Ok this is getting very interesting. Fun fun, here we go.
RC June 8 Tweet, he seems quite positive, doubt from June to July his big news would be we fork en broke yeahhh let go!! That chart was hilarious though, chart looked excited like a pen-us ;)
"Ooh La Lemin Walmart sales are taking off and we are just getting started!! More big news coming down the pipe with new retail partners, distributors, and strategic partnerships!"
Just make sure that chart doesn't go soft :o
Default disclosures are standard practice on Q K reports, yet added as a clause on a contractual agreement on borrowed money is not a commonality, it likely was a carrot to reduce overall cost. Terms seems very favorable for borrowers, seems a bit desperate too. Find it interesting on how small the request was for almost like just get me through 2q request. Sounds like they ran through exciting loans, my thought most of that loan was needed to cover for demand and if that is the case, this announcement expected this month could be very interesting.
Remember last stock pop was on a forecast of 8-10M and didnt react till about a month from what I recall on stock action, this time the announcement could be actual revenues, if on pace to their revenue goals, this could be a very nice place to be.
I'm not saying positive is all that is ok, just saying why waste time bashing a stock in forum unless plans are to install fear to buy on the dip which that would be a form of manipulation and illegal. An investor could still research and make their decisions and very little value in most cases confusion is found in these chats, frankly I really don't even look at these chats, I like check in here to see tucson's impressive distribution data.
I don't agree with small margins analysis, they would have never got 5M in loan earlier this year. Yeah big question is if they could crank this baby up to catch up to all the accumulated debt, I think it's a nice bet here. That's all.
Perhaps I'm reading into this differently, are you refering to Article 3 on the June2023 8k report?
In my opinion, just with a 7x revenue which is extremely conservative and a Rev conservative estimate at 5M (under 2023 forecasted numbers and just at current Rev pace) Thats a 35M Market Value valuation, stock would be at about .015.
Yes I get OS could keep moving up, but as long as Rev keeps increasing, numbers should eventually work.
My personal though, that 2022 over forecast gave fuel to the bears, but if you really analyze the fundamental, you realize it might have over sold. Stock ran hard with anticipation that 8M was a potential, well that might actually be the 2023 or 2024 actual numbers at the pace they are growing. They recently expanded dustribution towards the southern states.
*4M Market Value I meant, really currently about 4.5M. Reguardless, even if they double OS and they are at 2M MV with 5M revenue. Nothing wrong with this prospect, just keep that arrow going the right way. If yearly revenues aren't going up and OS is well you might not hear from me very much. There could be some strategies I'd wait for but see that potential with no sales is what caught the kgkg investors few years back, that stock game is too risky for me.
I dont see an issue with company raising AS to 10.5 as long as they are on their growth path. KGKG
2021 Rev estimates were 2.5-3M
2021 Actual 2.55M
2022 Rev estimates were 8-10M
2022 Actual 4.44M
2023 Rev estimates were 6.8-7M
2023 Actual 1.27M 1Q23 (with Q2 Q3 typically the busier Q)
My personal observations on these numbers, company is on a steady growth path.
Confidence seemed too positive on their growth projections in 2022 which caused major stock over reaction, on a company this small, forecasting growth is practically impossible, yet a norm to set your yearly goals and strive for them. Even at the 1.27M pace it takes them for the 2023 year to 5M. Company is valued at about 2M. Wow. Sorry, insult my knowledge all you want, see I dont hope to be a millionaire off any stock been there done that. I just invest when I like a company's prospect potential and don't invest when I don't like it, you won't find me going off at a company when i dont like the company, i just leave stock and find next best opportunity, why waste my time bashing the stock. Why would i listen to thouse in this chat that all they have to say is negative "even though they state they still hold a small stake". My bet is they are on a short position, because if they aren't then they are really the fools in the story.
I'm not down on investment when I'm investing on its potential, this stock is like a kid just drafted off the first round in the MLB draft, you might see him in a year, likely in the next few years make majors. How am I a fool, I could miss expectancies on a stock I like, but I live fine with my decisions. When I do get it right I get it right when I'm wrong I'm wrong. Guess what, my life is great, I don't have to wake up at in mornings or work till late, I work when I want to and thankfully, this is pretty much all I do. Invest in stock with great potential. I also get thouse that been on this for years, well I didn't see it as a value then, I'm referring to its position right now, I'm a sub penny invested here and love my probabilities. I'm not bitter, if this goes flat line, If it does it would be unfortunate, stock has great potential.
I actually see it as a positive sign when a company doesn't PR every other week, shows me they aren't pumping stock to raise Outstanding shares (OS). But the negatoids would see this as they don't have nothing positive to say, yet when they PR every other week, they see it as they are pumping the stock. Just do you, ignore the fools that drop negative comments when they don't beleive in company anymore.
Thanks! What's the 36mm? 1.7?
Tucson Phil for President! Are you an AI? ;)
We have some investors that look forward to KGKG PR, some look forward to KGKG PT (Phil from Tuscon).
Awesome insight, that expansion pace would be amazing. It tells me also the product must be selling, Walmart would not expand like this if it wasn't moving in their existing stores.
This stock is very promising
Tucson Phil for President! Are you an AI? ;)
We have some investors that look forward to KGKG PR, some look forward to KGKG PT (Phil from Tuscon).
Awesome insight, that expansion pace would be amazing. It tells me also the product must be selling, Walmart would not expand like this if it wasn't moving in their existing stores.
This stock is very promising
Nice buying levels here.
Chat about changing brand names would be a huge mistake at this point, product has expanded extremely well, product is selling, Ooh La Lemin sounds right. I don't feel the name targets a certain demographic, the Ooh La just sounds relaxing like a sit back and enjoy your lemonade. I love KG's brands.
I like to see them continue executing the expansion of their Ooh la lemin products, this is our gateway drink. It will get us in door to introduce our Highdrate and perhaps Kona Gold. I love they are penatrating distribution with a non cbd drink and the day cbd becomes more widely acceptable, we have foot in the door with our Lemin...Ooh La La that strategy will work just right.
If any changes would be considered, as I said before, change Highdrate drinks to more of a sports drink and some cbd for "muscle recovery", that's supposedly the claims out there "if true obviously". Best name in the game for the cbd movement and sports hydration. Love it love it. Kona Gold energy drinks, yeah perhaps this where brand name revisions could be considered. Think it's fine but could be open to that.
I just can't break my penny stock rule here so I ain't loading anymore, I'm at my limits. Trust me been fully loaded with this stock. Exciting seeing them continue expansion breaking revenue records, that Lemin aquision saved this company, it was very smart deciding to use it as the gateway drink to stores.
I get thouse that are frustrated with past disappointment with Kona expansions, we all know cbd just had not been as widely accepted, Robert Clark caught that in time before this thing went defunct. I truly think this company will make a comeback, now they just have to clean up debt and with their success with OohLaLemin, I have no doubt it's just a matter of time.
I understand the lack of shareholder trust too, let's just make sure we make good decisions and consider shareholders. Dilution won't work, need to finance traditionally.
No need to move forward looking at that rear view mirror, there so much more in front of us.
*Revenues on target to 7M and we are at a 9M Market Value.
*Credit Lines of 5M March 30,2023, that is a new line when 10Q went out so full 5M available. (Page 11 10Q)
*Recently $200,000 line of credit on March 7, 2023, the draw of $85,000 from the issuance of $85,000 line of credit on March 9, 2023
This is the year, RC made the move. Notice the uptick in credit line funding rather that dilution issuance of common shares approach. 5M credit line is equivalent to 1.25 Billion shares at .004. They switched financing channels and aren't diluting, we likely still get the conversions coming in but not to fund operations as was done heavily in 2020-2022. 5M credit line (non dilution) should push them through 2023, banks must agree with them going NET positive 2023, that a big credit line. I don't know why no mention of forecasted NET positive for 2023 but that's what 200k cases should get them too. Thinking the goal is aggressive, and their being careful with the PR not pumping. All positive in my opinion on OTC stocks.
Historical facts, lemonade has been know to trend during times of economical depression. This acquisition saved this company.
Impressive distributer.
This is a big deal, sounds like 1q 2023 is going to reflect a record breaking quarter. They are moving product, exciting times. Renewal and new business.
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Its on the PR, just being on target to their yearly forecast should have this stock more into the .03 to .05, beating revenue forecast improves profitability they go net positive as stated in past PR. Net profit opens alternative funding avenues. Key words, out perform existing markets (product is moving).
"Kona Gold's Ooh La Lemin Lemonades continue to out perform expectation in new and existing markets. The Company's sales team has launched Ooh La Lemin in several new states this year and has additional distribution partnerships coming on board in the very near future."
Hope Robert Clark reads this, think he does, noticed few actions on other pointers I've brought up in past.
Clearly there is a lemon movement going on, Pepsi invested deep with their Starry promotions. Many distribution channels placing their promo on stores and products on display, we should piggyback on their efforts, convince distributers/stores to product place ooh la lemin near the Starry (Pepsi) products, consumers might lean towards our product since we offer various flavors. This occured many years ago with Coke and Pepsi, they lined their product next to their competitors, let consumers decide yet let Pepsi pay for the lemon drink marketing.
Two parts to this, taking advantage of Pepsi marketing efforts and that this is a pitch to get more flavors/our product in these distribution channels. Embrace the Pepsi Starry movement, let them know we offer lemonade with more variety of flavors.
You refrenced when the stock was at .0335 and refrenced its current stock price. Yes I recall (2020-2021) that was same period when Ooh la Lemin was acquired and then rebranded, company raised money by raising shares, nothing wrong with that especially considering how successful this acquisition has been. I'd suggest make the comparison on revenue back in 2020 2021 to current. It's not about being right or wrong. There otc stocks that just make it out, I beleive these guys have a legitimate probability.
I completely understand many people's frustration with stock performance, and waiting years for stock to produce. It reminds me of my kids playing baseball, for years they were horrible and I kept supporting them and kept paying thouse extra trainings felt for many years it was money down the drain but they kept getting better and better, I kept being frustrated though but noticed it was because he wasn't best in state and not best in local team. Our expectations seem to keep pushing for more, if we trully look back and appreciate the progress it would brighten your view, perhaps its not bad afterall. Maybe the kid (kgkg) might actually go pro
It would be great if your location map and research could get pined on top of the ihub kgkg page.
Impressive DD. Product is moving too, I did get to chat with a few sites that have product on shelf, word im getting is product is moving. One of KG's PR did make a refrence on renewal orders, forgot the verbiage used but that was refrenced on one of last year's PR.
Don't know why but I kinda like how this is all playing out, wild how that acquisition OLL saved these guys. Would love being able to say I even made millions off selling lemonade. LoL Ohh La Lemin (oLL)
Look forward to February PR on monthly sales results. End of 2022 kgkg added few strong distributors, I would guess about half of them reflected on that record breaking January and likely remaining would reflect February. I would not be suprised if the February PR comes out smashing records too. On pace for potential Quarter breaking start. Revenues on the right path