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Super typhoon Solly has caused massive destruction. =D
Companies can dilute, make share offers for share holders with discount.. 30%, 50%...
But these guys sell at 98,5% discount to loan sharks.
And they don't buy themselves.
And they don't stop selling.
It is very strong evidence of businesses and assets being fake.
And they don't sell assets.. ..because they can't?
And where is the cash? Always escapes shareholders, always short within the company so they "need" to dilute. Not believable.
Surely the profits and cash flows can't be real.
And lots of other things contradicting with what they claim to have.
Dilution says otherwise..
This year you got 30 cents with a dollar
Full year 12 months you got 15 cents for a dollar.
3 years you got 3 cents with the invested dollar.
Horrible losses.
I don't like to buy into scams at all.
This was as easy to predict as Siaf! =D
The assets and turnovers and profits in the reports have shown time and time again to be just fluff.
You can't think it's 120 million company or 790 million company as their reports claim the total assets.
You have to think what their real life actions suggest the assets/business value is.
1. they dilute and can't sell assets -suggests assets do not exist
2. they can't get bank loans but depend on toxic dilution loans - suggests assets do not exist
Do they have business then? Well:
1. they dilute so they don't seem to have income -suggests there's no business
2. no evidence of customers, harvests, no promised dividends -suggests there's no business
Then we have other evidence them not having the assets or business
1. management not buying
2. corporate structure overly complicated suited best for scamming
3. all over the place business model not believable
4. markets values them 1,5% of book
5. they dilute at 1,5% of the book
6. they don't care about share price plummeting or shareholder value
7. track record of 98% down from the top
It's pretty obvious case really, everything supports this being a scam, nothing supports this being a 790 million, 120 million or even 12 million company which is the current market value.
Siaf owns 1/3 TRW. It's in the price already. No value.
Siaf is already entitled to 1/3 of TRW cash flow. No flow. Got only heavier dilution and value loss.
So there's going to be a ceremonial exchanging of trw empty lottery tickets happening around the corner? Or has been 1,5 years already? Only downfall of PPS as result. And things are about to change?
No value, no cash flow, market doesn't believe and Siaf/trw can't deliver.
The ship has sailed already.
Most of the volume was sold @0,28. Then they lift it and volume dies. Then at the end of the day have the final "tape is painted" lift.
The graph shows this very well.
Also very often they lift in the beginning, like yesterday they did that too.
50% dilution this year. Past promises broken. Books thousands of % off from reality. Management doesn't by at 98,5% discount to the book. No harvests seen, no customers seen.
...to mention a few other problems that are still relevant.
It's just absurd across the board everywhere no matter how you look at it.
Same reason the company sells them: worthless.
They have no money to pay him, it's all dilution no business. Think again Handla.
Share holders paid. As always. More shares. These will be sold fast, he knows what's going on and more importantly what's not going on.
And you were laughing when you didn't get what they promised?
Oh well, it's "all signs positive" for you always and anyway. =D
1/3 share of "hundreds of millions worth" TRW to Siaf = you got -70% share price drop as Siaf share holder.
1/3 share of TRW "40 million profits" to Siaf = you got 50% dilution as Siaf share holder.
How much more obvious a scam can get, i don't know.
That must be the fake 5 cent "dividend policy" on their page. Didn't see that before. Anyway, perfect example of market manipulation.
Zero, have you tried Sec for Siaf fraudulent stuff exposure?
https://www.sec.gov/tcr
I think all the broken promises, all the complete miss matches of reported assets 790 million to 12 million market value, big profits while diluting, these look like very obvious market/shareprice manipulation.
Latest the abuse of dividend policy, they even got bloomberg to list on their page dividend while siaf is committing to nothing etc, etc.
Megaloan and other stuff like this in their reports, always promising, never delivering.
Do they look into something like this or skip it it because it's China-scam?
Siaf -the ultimate market manipulator
I think the promised TRW dividends, 790 assets for 12 million company who dilutes, huge profits from TRW while they can't pay anything to SIaf shareholders, abuse of dividend policy for share price manipulation with fixed amounts that should be % of margin and not $, most likely not paying, "megaloan", talks with "syndicate of 5 banks", dilution by itself, all this RUBBISH should definitely be told there.
Siaf/Solly is the most disgusting abuser of all kinds of fake announcements share price manipulation just to be able print and sell more shares and should be immediately delisted from both Merkur and OTC.
I think I'm going to write them one of these days.
The smart CEO is abusing the dividend "policy" as planned and selling shares. And he'd be doing that anyway.
No use trying to rationalize things from the point of view that this awesome innocent company is in the hands of reckless CEO who ruins everything without valid reason.
No. That makes no sense.
The company and it's faked businesses and assets and dividend policies are tools that are used for selling shares. Sure he would like to keep the share price up but there's no money for the investors and selling shares means dilution so it's kinda hard, actually impossible. It's all about the share selling operation.
Everything makes sense and proceeds as planned.
Yes it is very simple and easy to increase value from now on. And before.
IF(!) things are as they present them and you believe they are.
But you see, things are the way me and zero and some others see. That's why increasing value has failed. That's why dilution and being broke somehow surprisingly (to you) happen, even though things looked fine, profits are fine, and there's assets to lean on. Management seems incompetent and doing weird irrational choices.
We don't see it that way, we understand what they do.
Take the route of our Grand Unification Theory to understand siaf/trw.
With our approach you can predict the future, their actions make sense and nobody is doing irrational surprising things. And you don't lose money!
The best overview is that they can't pay anything to siaf, 1/3 ownership has not raised Siaf share price at all, vice versa. 1/3 share is being sold by Siaf with dilution at -98,5% discount.
I would calculate real worth from these numbers.
This stock has had massive promotion here, it is totally out of proportion considering the performance. And people cheering each other to do silly things.
Just explaining what happened, how the sure thing with amazing numbers became massive loss to people here.
Can't throw caution to the wind like this and believe the hype ignoring those who have been right.
Dilution this year 50%, share down 70%.
"All signs positive".
...That's the spirit for success...
As long as you're bets are not too high..
The case is pretty obvious, fake dividend news start to wear off, dilution as bad as ever..
The last chance has been called already.
Since Siaf "has had the pleasure" of owning 1/3 of TRW no income has come from there, vice versa scamming money claiming capex building, only heavier dilution and more value loss since TRW incorporation. No compensation from there.
When management dilutes at 1,5% book, management doesn't buy and it's a -98% Chinese tax free agricultural section company whose CEO appears to be complete idiot unless it's a scam and then his actions would make some sense.. ..you know you have been fooled.
It's probably the most obvious scam in the stock market now.
"Hidden gem" marketing numbers are not hidden, you have not found a treasure. What's hidden is not a gem but big stinky turd. What's slightly hidden is the real numbers. Real numbers are constant dilution (=no cash, no business) and at 1,5% of the book (assets way less than 1,5% , can't be sold at all).
Completely worthless company with no income or assets. That's the reality.
What you wait? All the promises were supposed to happen already, none of the dilution was supposed to happen. -98% happened already. It's a busted scam already.
They dilute = they are not profitable. They dilute at 1,5% claimed assets value = dilution value tells real asset value.
This is not fantasy and it is not invented by me.
This is the company telling they have no income and the company telling they value their assets in real life to max 1,5% of what they are on paper.
Market believes that too, market values this 1,5% of assets value and sees a company who has no cash, dilutes and has no bank relations because they get their money like this. That's why it goes down.
Company looks now very bad and future very grim.
So it's not that the numbers on books and reports are hidden and the company is a hidden gem. No. It's just slightly hidden what real numbers are, but they are easy to see looking company's own real life actions.
Current value is based on what they have delivered.
Past performance is the best predictor of future performance. Add heavy dilution and make your own prediction of the future.
We get very different predictions.
Siaf had that six months ago, 1 year ago, 2 years ago.
But always broke, dilution and broken promises...
It has crawled down towards fair valuation.
Diluting at 1,5% of the book value tells real world value. No cash from trw tells real trw business value. Always short of cash and diluting tells how the real business is as whole. It's very very bad.
Fair value? I think Siaf is over priced.
My expectation is the announcement of delay is after couple of months. 31.12. dividend is not paid and shareprice slowly coming down, i believe under $0,25 in the end of the year.
Nice to have exact predictions so we can compare these.
You are so knowledgeable you must get this right, not me.
Let's see preliminary results after 3 weeks.
1/3 ownership of TRW has brought value loss and heavier dilution for Siaf. No payments from the "amazing profits". Vice versa. Market doesn't believe, Siaf owners get nothing.
1/3 of TRW is already in Siaf price. Only handful of believers here, market knows it's just part of the same Siaf scam.
Same board, same Solly, same bottomless value loss hole as Siaf.
No loans, no listings, no dividends, no nothing.
Sure they reject stupid things. TRW not listed there. And never will. =D
No HK listing, no money, no loan.
Siaf shareholders have gotten nothing from TRW 1/3 ownership, only value loss and heavier dilution.
Same board, same Solly, same bottomless value loss hole as Siaf.
The most obvious scam ever.
I think people would contact HK and inform them about Solly's -98% dilution scam operation Siaf which is closely tied to TRW. And they would easily see TRW is just part 2 of the same scam.
Solly is not stupid, he is smart enough to do flourishing share selling business.
You are the living proof that he is smart enough by believing these ridiculous excuses.
It's 1,5% of book value he dilutes actually and nobody is dumb enough to do that.
The books are cooked, they have no business income but they write these books and reports and stories for unwary investors to create share sales.
790 millions assets and starting fruit tree business and 40 million income in trw wow amazing they can't pay anything to Siaf, Siaf has to dilute 50%, have no bank relations. It's schizophrenic stories and absurd lies.
Childish level already with latest fruit tree stuff but still some people believe after 97% down fall and their stories getting more and more absurd.
What they DO is not good. It's horrible what they DO. You have to look at what they DO. Not what they SAY.
Handla, you have heavy losses and BS.
If you would have sold and believed me when i came here at NOK 17 you would be much happier. I'm sorry you chose to believe RD and Ks and other scam promoters here. They have lost money, you have lost money, why you insist on something stupid to be true? Fruit trees? Wake up and be a man.
What you mean? I think it's important that there will be no more people stuck with -90% shares here in the ihub peer group for scammed siaf owners. Finding upsides from fruit trees business having lost their savings and chances for wealth, that's really sad.
I did 5min DD thought it's a scam.
After 30 mins i was sure. No harvests, no customers, crazy figures not believable..
Then after 1 year it's -85% down, none of the promises they have made has come true, HEAVY DILUTION, silly fruit trees only upside. =D
Good luck Handla, i don't know why you insist this will go up. It can not. Dilution alone takes care of that.
Stock market losers usually blame shorts. Don't blame somebody else. You picked the wrong company. It was a scam. -97% is not a sign of "sure turn", it's a sign of completely busted scam. In some cases it can be of real trouble and even if so it's probably irreversible. Here with Siaf we are just talking about nonsense. P/B 0,015, come on! Not real.
You know they can't do anything commercial level.
No harvests seen, no customers seen, no profits only dilution.
Tony is hobby farming waiting for a loan that will never come.
The evidence is there, only evidence they do 150 MT per hectare is because a paper that Solly wrote says so.
And that has 1,5% truth value at max as the market has shown.
Solly's job is not to add value.
Solly's job is to sell shares. That's where the money comes from.
Solly's job is to keep value as high as possible with his reports, filings and stories.
But he sells shares and knows dilution will bring it down ultimately no matter what.
He has scam part2 planned already when the value of Siaf has gone too low. It's called "trw".
No use being blue-eyed and crying about Solly, he will never ever quit, it's his operation solely and when steps down the whole company seizes to exist. Nobody can take over a complete scam like that.