you would have been better to follow my advice when I continually said to buy WMIH stock at the lows when it went below 1 dollar many times after it was issued and later started to trade on the exchange. go back and read my "fortune favors the bold" posts many years ago... I gave away thousands of shares to my friends and relatives that I bought for .06 cents... I even advised you to engage in options trading, as well as newflow, and ItsMY Option, and even BBANBOB.....well, now after 12 years my stock is worth 500 grand as of today, and my call options on them will close out in january 2025.... remember when I posted many times I sold calls well into the 100 dollar strike?... I got no traction from you but insults, and disrespect.... now, I am a winner, and you are a loser, having lost 12 years, plus opportunity to make money.... your insults will cost you big time... ... there goes my last post until 9 oclock tonite

there is no language in any document that says WMIH will make any more recovery than that which was given for the chapter 11 releases....WMI abandoned their shares in WAMU, paid off creditors, and common and preferred holders with shares and closed the chapter 11 will all parties affirmation to the agreements....The Receivership states that JPM bought WAMU banks, and related banking assets for 1.89 billion dollars... IMO , the FDIC is holding 299 billion in MBS until maturity to close out the 14 billion dollar shortfall in the balance sheet left when depositors made a "run" on the bank, and short sellers drained the value out of WAMU stock which was supporting the issuance of those loans...the chapter 11 language says that all preferred was converted to common, and given new equity common stock for their former values... so, yes, IMO, AZ Cowboy is wrong in his assertions....Lodas

yo ron??.....living in a bubble has cost you years of waiting for nothing...the GSA, and the chapter 11 has closed 12 years ago....your declarations have no force of law, and have never been ratified by any agency associated with this affair... all issues between dissenting parties were settled with the GSA years ago....your posts mean nothing anymore.... Lodas

Making friends with me would have been a better choice for you.... since the chapter 11 closed, my original 1 dollar per share given me by signing the release document is now 500,000 dollars in spite of the 1/12 reverse split...I urged you to buy, buy many years ago.. even gave you a platform to trade options... had you stopped rummaging in the dumpster bin all these years you could have made many times over in money for that which you were hoping for... now , you are defeated with 16 years of wasted time, and loss of opportunity if you did not buy coop stock at the lows... remember my signing of my posts with Lodas (fortune favors the bold).?... look up my posts in the early 2013 time frame and beyond,,, I urged this board TO BUY AT THE LOWS, AS DID AZ COWBOy with his "Coop is the tell" advice!!!!.... but what did you do?... you went off dumpster diving for information that would suit your narrative, and called everyone liars, and names that did not agree with you....so here you are after 16 years , reduced to calling people liars for your failed adventure!!!!...YOU ARE NOT A SHAREHOLDER ANYMORE IN A DEFUNCT COMPANY WHOSE SHARES WERE CANCELLED, EXTINGUISHED, AND ALL RIGHTS TO DIVIDENDS UNDER THE PREVIOUS PROSPECTUS ARE 'NULL AND VOID... you deserved nothing, because thats what you brought to this board.... NOTHING!!!....

@ KeyKey....thank you for your support... I have been civil to this man in question, but he continually disrespects me with foul names unbecoming someone who is supposed to be civilized... my posts are not manipulative, and all statements are from official documents, albeit, this is what he does not want to read, or accept...he refuses to engage in any meaningful discussions about the SEC documents in spite of all my reaching out to him... I even gave him some tips to sell put and call options to bring in money while he was promoting his agenda of added recovery...his latest rant was that the original stock was reversed split 12/1!!!!...why should it matter? my account is well over 1/2 million in the years since the stock was R.S.. I bought AZ Cowboys "Coop is the tell mantra" at all the lows , bought and sold put and call options on my holdings... I thank Nate Toma for his declaration to the judge that insider trading was being conducted... if it was not for Toma, we would HAVE GOT NOTHING TO REVERSE SPLIT!!!!!!!!!....so again, thank you, and take care.... Lodas

since you did not specify what part of my post was manipulative, I can only guess it was the part about the 20.7 billion dollars removed from the 2012 Feb MOR, and the granting of 5.87 billion dollars in NOLS by the IRS in the GSA agreement... to my recollection, the source of these NOLS WERE NEVER DISCUSSED ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD!!!!... so , the following is a multiple choice quiz on the origin of these NOLS........
(1) The IRS always gives NOLS to bankrupt companies......yes..... no
(2) The IRS felt sorry for WMI for taking such a huge 20.7 billion dollar Shareholders Retained earnings loss, and granted the NOLS out of sympathy...... yes..... no
(3)..The IRS made a mistake in granting these NOLS, after review of the GSA but since they already agreed to the allowance, they could not back out..........yes.......no
(4) the FDIC-R forced the IRS to allow the NOLS in exchange for abandonment of WAMU stock
which WMI owned...........yes... no?
(5) The 5.87 billion dollars in NOL allowance represented the PRESENT DISCOUNTED VALUE OF 20.7 BILLION DOLLARS IN FUTURE WRITE OFF OF WAMU STOCK LOSS... yes..... no... ?....

The GSA has been completed, the chapter 11 was ratified, and signed by the judge 12 years ago, the WMIL-T distributed about 7 billion dollars to valid Creditors who held claims, and Equity, and preferred shareholders were included in the chapter 11 reorganization by given new stock in WMIH in return for their former values held in WAMU, and release of the Retained Earnings in return for NOLS....The WMIL-T has been disbanded, Kosturos, and all the administrators have left, and the balance of the funds left over were given to charity as a condition for the Grantors Trust to be implemented by IRS rules... the new company, trading under the symbol coop has moved on from 1 dollar per share as the assigned value from the liquidation of 7 sub trusts of WMMRC, and WMIIC to reach a high of 96 dollars, now about 92 dollars as of fridays close in the market.... In all this time, WMIH has never made any attempt to recover former assets , that some say, were illegally taken from them...also, Safe Harbor, or off balance sheet assets were never found by exhaustive searches by many members on this message board, as well as those in search of these assets... my point of this post... ? its over 12 years ago, and nothing is coming back in recovery, in spite of all those claiming more recovery.... Lodas

The logistics for the disbursal of 6.98 billion dollars in Creditor Claims were the reasonable cause for this amount of time.... The Wmil-T would have had to verify the authenticity of each claim, and the TAB would have had to review the payment for the claim....as I recall, there were at least one instance where the time limit was extended to make sure that each claimant had been notified, and that the extension of time would allow for this to occur...as with all monetary settlements that occur over time, no one should be denied the claim because of insufficient notification by the issuer of the claims payment...I dont see any nefarious actions caused by taking this many years to settle these claims....do you? ......thats already two posts gone for today... I got one more , so make your question important........

first off... I only get 3 posts per day because of some moderators deliberate intentions to get me banned from this board.... now , on to your question of why 4 members of the WMIL-T were represented by equity..... simply explained that 2 represented commons , and two represented the interests of preferred, so that no question of the division of 7 billion dollars went to the right classes who held valid claims.... why two from each from common and preferred?.. so that each oversaw each other for fraud that might occur....now you say that I have a weak and manipulated personality?....my posts are gathered from the official SEC documents... yours are speculative and want supportive answers, and which never rose to court approval... what does 4 members from equity serving on the WMIL-T have to do with the chapter 11 that is already closed?...do you suspect fraud was committed against you?... reopen the chapter 11 and sue Rosen and WMI...I could care less about your DD, because its meaningless now that the chapter 11 is closed... I ask you again: "do you believe Rosen, and WMI lied about Safe Harbor assets, or off balance sheet assets"?...this question is seminal to any further discussions from me in response to your questions...If you say they committed fraud, then we can discuss the topic further... if they DID NOT LIE, then all this conversation for all these years is moot....remember, I only get 3 posts per day, so if I dont answer you, you will know why, and that I am not evading you....

march 2012 WMI emerged from chapter 11... so whats your point?.....why do you pester me with your dumpster bin findings?...none of your findings ever reached the approval of the court...why not be pro active and file a lawsuit to substantiate your assertions that Rosen and WMI lied in court?.....I cannot help you with your suppositions of why this or that cannot jibe with your understanding of these documents... the court signed the documents , not me... I just read them with dispassion as they were written... now answer my question.... do you believe Rosen and WMI lied in court about hidden assets??...this question is the basics of any returning recovery for you... whatever your answer you give to this question demands action from you.. a yes means you must hire a lawyer and sue WMI in court.... a no answer means that you wasted many years in pursuit of something that did not exist... your life, your choice... what is your answer?....

Rosen made that statement of No safe Harbor assets in 2012, not 2018.....WMI said in 2012 that All assets of WMI were submitted to the court, both reportable, and those NOT REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED!!!!.....Why did WMI have to report all assets to the court?....the judge , after mediation hearings where the SNL's were caught with colorable insider. trading, asked for a "cure" for the remedy... WMI agreed to liquidate 7 Trusts which held reinsurance assets.plus the assets of WMIIC to VALUE THE 200 MILLION SHARES that were created for former shareholders to BE INCLUDED IN THE CHAPTER 11 SETTLEMENT!!!!!!!!! former WAMU shareholders "were the beneficiary of the 7 trusts, plus WMIIC which was liquidated...the trusts were converted to 200 million shares and given to former equity in the ratio of 25/75% common and preferred in return for their releases...the only Trust remaining is WMMRC which held the residual assets of 34 million dollars according to the 2013 WMIH 10-K....now, your questions are speculations, suppositions, and have never been taken up by the courts... again, I ask you the seminal question of assets:...was WMI lying in court about the statement that "all assets were submitted to the court"?... if the question is no, then all posts for the last 12 years were a waste of time... who do you believe?... WMI, or members on this message board extolling that WMI held billions in Safe Harbor, and off balance sheet assets?????.....

answer my questions first, then I will answer yours..... do you believe Rosen was lying to the court about Safe Harbor assets being non existent?....If you believe that he was lying, then it is your task to prove him wrong in court for FRAUD.....I will entertain your questions if you can prove both WMI, and Rosen was lying in court to the judge, or the judge acquiesced to this lie....dont answer a question with a question.... mine is seminal to all discussions of returning assets.... so , did Rosen and WMI lie in court?..... Lodas

@ newflow.......WMI makes the official statement, and on record that..... "all assets, both reportable, and those NOT REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED were disclosed to the bankruptcy court by WMIL-T, as successor to WMI.......what is your opinion of that statement by WMI?.....
(1) do you believe it was a clerical mistake and WMI did not mean to state this?
(2) do you believe that WMI meant to imply that only those assets needed to settle creditor claims were included, and the rest of the assets were withheld from the court to be distributed to classes 19, and 22 at a later time after the chapter 11 closed?
(3) do you believe that Rosen lied to the judge when he said WMI held no Safe Harbor assets, and that they were all sold off to GSE's....this question is seminal to all discussions of the message board for 12 years now, and it must be answered, and settled for any further discussions of money coming back..
what is your opinion of the above statements, and what are you prepared to do if any one of them is rejected by you?...........

have another Jameson, then go back to sleep....Lodas

@ JWW....thanks for all your work that you do... I have made lots of money with your recommendations through the years by buying, and selling options with each upward movement in the share price....buying the dip (Pickstocks recommendation) has been lucrative for me... I will get a huge sum of money in my account when my January call options expire.... with this big hunk of cash, I will no longer go long on coop, but SELL PUTS EACH MONTH to bring in premium to finish out my long career in investing which started in 1961, or 62?... cant remember... I started options trading in 1972 when the CBOE went public... won some, lost some, but in the main it was profitable ... thanks again for all you do, and I will certainly be watching your posts into the new year.... Lodas

for gods sake newflow, this has been discussed a zillion times before, but you JUST DONT UNDERSTAND,OR DO NOT WANT TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... the reason that the assets of the WMIL-T cannot revert to the reorganized debtor is because it was a GRANTORS TRUST!!!!!!!.... what does that mean?... it means the GRANTOR is the beneficiary of the assets held in the Trust which was to be distributed to the Liquidating Trusts beneficiaries who held valid claims... this was done.... now, what happens to any assets not distributed?... the assets must be disposed of by donating them to a charitable organization.... why?... because if the assets returned to the reorganized debtor, it would violate the IRS rules... why?... because the assets would be passed through a non taxable Grantors Trust , then back to the Grantor without TAX BEING PAID !!!!!!!!!!..... now please quit this incessant non sense of asking questions about this whole affair, WHEN YOU DID NOT EVEN READ ANY DOCUMENTS!!!!!... or, if you did read them, then you attempt to parse them to fit your failed agenda... go get a job... the chapter 11 closed 12 years ago, and your previous equity values were cancelled and extinguished forever... Lodas

there will be no market correction until the last short position is closed in the market.... the market will experience a "blowoff top" which signifies the end of this Bull cycle which had started in 2009 when Abbey Joseph Cohen from JPM stated at the market lows that a big Bull market had begun... she called it before the "bottom" of the market formed... I remember her words quite vividly... JPMC was about 54 dollars per share... now over 200 PS... actually, the Federal Reserve calls the big moves in the market by the action of the Interest rate moves... in 2008, the housing bubble was going to be a big problem for the Federal Reserve should the Banking system go bust, and the FED was in front of the crisis with huge amounts of reserves which allowed them to lower the interest rates at no cost to their balance sheet... however, today, the balance sheet of the Fed Reserve is in not so good shape after 16 years of low interest rates, and housing prices higher than before 2008, which would be an even bigger hit if a financial crisis hit... so my point:... The Federal Reserve will instruct Wall Street to keep the market up, even when the general public seems to think there will be a selloff soon...there is NO WAY THE FEDERAL RESERVE WILL SUFFER LOSSES IN THE STOCK MARKET!!!!.... they will keep it up until the last of the short positions cover.... Lodas

b3.... a lot of the old school market hedge fund managers went short some time ago thinking that the "OLD WAYS" were still extant in the market... a lot of them threw in the towel and closed their hedge funds as they took a beating... why?... the Reddit and the Robinhood investors made a killing on AMC , and some others when hedge funds went short a few you years as you might remember...the mantra was "buy the dip" and it still holds today...billions of dollars are pouring into the index funds as people seem to think they can replace the stock market to make money instead of real estate which has topped out because of high interest rates...but, I agree with you, at some point, the "old ways" in the market will return and wipe out a lot of people... Warren Buffett has been cashing out on some of his holdings, and has an excess of 90 billion in cash waiting for the next crash... by the way, I liked your reference to OTIS to the otis elevator company.. LOL...maybe he needs another Jameson drink before he works out at the gym.....so, my point?... the market is "short" bigtime today... thats why the market keeps going up, and up..... Lodas

what does the OTIS mean in your description of COOP/OTIS mean?.... I dont believe that you ever defined the term OTIS, or I never picked up on it on one of your posts before.. TIA.... Lodas

yo ron???? ......here is a reply to your TPS question......The documents say TPS preferred shares were converted to common, and under the terms of the chapter 11 closure, TPS were cancelled, extinguished, and all prior rights unto the prospectuses were deemed null and void!!!!.....its all in the documents you refuse to read, or believe....Lodas

yo ron??..JPM paid 1.88 billion dollars for WAMU Banks, and related assets!!!!... This has been published in numerous filings over the years that you JUST REFUSE TO BELIEVE!!!!!....give it up man, no one believes these bogus posts that you are making all these years.....read the documents.... Lodas

@ mwd44.....how do you know what ROSEN DID NOT SAY?????..... you are still in denial of what the official statement of Rosen was!!!.... he said, (no paraphrasing) WMI held no Safe Harbor , or off balance sheet assets, as THEY WERE ALL SOLD OFF TO GOVERNMENT SPONSORED ENTITIES.....(2).. in the bankruptcy court, WMI stated ALL ASSETS REQUIRED, AND THOSE NOT REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED WERE GIVEN TO THE COURT!!!!! (3)...WMI states officially that Title to all assets belong to the reorganized debtor, JPMC, FDIC, and the WMIL-T as successor to WMI....WMI states that the estate belongs to the reorganized debtor, before and after the chapter 11 reorganization...why dont you read the documents as they are written, and quit reading between the lines to suit your narrative?... I posted the links to the above statements many times before, but all I get are laughs from Bizreder and the rest of you deniers...by the way, why dont you ever take the time to post the link on the message board of the chapter 11 closing document signed by the judge????.... not one of you A.H ever posted anything about the POR amended 7, GSA settlement, chapter 11 closing document, WMIH 2013 10-K, and the Frequently FAQ....you guys are notorious for bringing up WHAT THE DOCUMENTS DOESN'T SAY..... get a life, and get rid of the denial....Lodas

Denial is a disease, get treated for it as "soon" as possible.....if you will notice, not one attorney now, or 12 years ago questioned that statement!!!!!.....do you really believe that Rosen is going to make a statement of obfuscation of Billions of dollars in assets from a Federal bankruptcy judge in front of legions of lawyers in a courtroom looking to settle this case for maximum recovery??????...even if there were billions of hidden assets, they do not belong to YOU!!!!.... WMI made it very clear in the chapter 11 closing that the estate belongs to the reorganized Debtor, BEFORE AND AFTER THE CHAPTER 11 CLOSING!!!!....now, run along and read the documents for a change... you might learn something after 12 years.... Lodas

ron, L.G.,Boris, BBAN, xoom. goodie, AZC, newflow, wamushamu, and the rest of the pro return posters..... did you guys "fly the coop"??.....the silence is deafening from you guys lately....Lodas

The information concerning the conditions for restructuring the assets for WMI were available 12 years ago before they sequestered signatures for releases....the conditions were made public in the amended POR 7 as signed by the judge, and all parties to the agreements... then information also appeared in the GSA agreement, and finally in the chapter 11 documents. however, there were certain elements of groups on message boards who refused to accept the documents as official, and concocted their own theories of what Fair and Reasonable should be, in contradiction to what the company, and lawyers for WMI had offered in settlement....yet, in this persistence of Denial, they called those that read the documents as liars, scammers who sought to mislead them from their "Truth" that money was forthcoming...even in the event that WMIH cancelled the escrows, they still held to the belief that they had value in some future payoff in money, or shares, to make former shareholders "whole again"....they explored every venue for return of money by imploring stuff like Paladin, Bonanza, LIBOR Settlements, FDIC closure waiting period, Euro Bonds settlements, you name it they suggested it...now another year is almost gone, and the deniers are already starting on the 17th year again....when will these Pied Pipers of failure finally READ THE DOCUMENTS AS THEY WERE WRITTEN 12 YEARS AGO????....Lodas

well, THMJW wrote that 11 years ago, so WHERE IS THE MONEY, or the language in any documents from the chapter 11 closure??????...old shareholders were included in the bankruptcy settlements...they got new shares in the new company for their release signatures... if WMI was going to give more value, they would have HAD TO STIPULATE THIS BEFORE YOU SIGNED YOUR RELEASE!!!!!!!!....here is an example: your house was valued at 500, 000 dollars before a real estate meltdown.... you agree to sell it for 300000 dollars to pay off the mortgage lender for the balance of the loan....DO YOU EXPECT THE BUYER TO GIVE YOU 200000 DOLLARS after the escrow papers were signed, and the deal closed??????????...... would the buyer have any obligation, ethical, moral, sympathetic, legal to pay you the original valuation of 500,000 dollars after YOU SIGNED THE AGREEMENT???????.... Hell no he would not!!!!.... you signed away your former values in WAMU/WMI for 200 million new shares , prorated 25/75% common/ preferred... thats it, case closed, sayonara, history, leave it alone Newflow, and go about the business of picking up your life after 16 years of wasted effort....the documents spelled this out 12 years ago, but you and the others did not accept the fact that WAMU was sold for 1.88 billion dollars, and you DID NOT BELIEVE WHAT ROSEN SAID!!!!,... ROSEN STATED ON RECORD THAT WMI HELD NO SAFE HARBOR ASSETS!!!!!!!!!...Lodas

coop is 91.97 after hours trading...my account shows coop up over 4 dollars in todays trading....cool stuff .. I bought couple days ago at 84.69 plus or minus...buy the dips as the whole market is short bigtime...a lot of portfolio managers quit and liquidated their funds because they got the market wrong by shorting last year thinking the top was in, and said the todays market does not conform to the old rules of the game...the Reddit and Robinhood trading groups now prey on shorters because thats where the big bucks are made today....Lodas

wow!!!! some good news for those that are buying Coop at the lows this morning!!!!.... why?.... I placed a covered Call option on the Jan 25 100 call at 8.00, and the bid was 7.70.... meaning the buyer of the call paid .30 cents per share over the quoted bid price!!!!.... what does it mean?... this buyer of the call is bullish that the price of Coop will be over 108 dollars in Jan 1, 2025...I bought the stock at 84.96, (say 85), so my profit will be 108-85= 23 dollars per share if exercised.... not too shabby.... thanks b3 for your post recommending selling coop at 93...options has its advantages , if you take advantage if them....Lodas

@ b3..... that was good advice....thanks........I bought some yesterday at the lows, and going to sell covered calls on them at 100 for Jan 25, when the price recovers......Lodas

ALL ASSETS required to be reported, and those NOT REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED were disclosed to the bankruptcy court.....so, WMI reported everything, and the kitchen sink, (so to speak) to get the chapter 11 closed to pay 100% face value for creditor claims up to class 18, which was impaired from further recovery, and interest..... then the money waterfall petered out for lack of funds to pay further equity claims....what is your fixation with the WMIL-T after all these years since it was closed down?????.....the money that funded it was from ALL ASSETS OF WMI which were liquidated (7 trusts plus WMIIC).... so, where is the billions of dollars in this so called estate that former shareholders say they own?????... it is a myth, it does not exist... it was the product of a few fertile minds on this message boards, and other boards....

at some price, every assets is either a buy, or a sell..... it is up to you to determine the action to be taken when the opportunity presents itself.... I bought this morning at 85.16 to square up some shares I have been buying the last few days as the price was dropping... b3 said it best a few days ago when he said 93 dollars was a good exit price... he is now in a position with cash to sell puts at the lower price to capture premium, and possibly get coop at an even lower price than today... remember, in the stock market, CASH IS KING at the market lows... it increases your leverage big time...so, yes.... did b3 make the right call when coop was 93?... yes... how many followed his post and sold, or were you all to busy disrespecting him, and had him on ignore?.... the ignore button is tantamount of putting your head in the sand in the stock market... many people put their head in the sand and lost 16 years waiting for money from a chapter 11 bankrupt reorganization when the company never made any statements that future recovery was coming... so here is my recommendation:... buy coop at the lows when MM take it down to fill their short positions for the next leg up..Lodas

normally, thieves that cheat others out of their money keep quiet about it so as not to draw the ire of those they cheat... however, you are a P.O.S. that dont know any better...Lodas

no one gives a sheet about what you remember.....Lodas

@ Large Green.....again your post is at fault for the following reasons... (1)... the 2013 WMIH 10-K, which is an official accounting of all assets of the Reorganized Debtor states that JPM paid 1.88 billion dollars for WAMU banks, and related assets...the document is a Forensic accounting of all claims paid, and stipulates that there are no further payments from JPM chase for those assets in the future...this closure of the PAA is further cemented in the GSA global settlement where all parties released each other as part of the settlement of all claims held against each other...I will remind you that JPM makes the statement that the assets of the Banks were liquidated to negative equity, which would preclude further payments to be made by JPM... finally, the Global settlement could not be final if a future payment for WAMU's assets by the PAA was not disclosed in the signed documents...again, substantiate your position that JPM owes more from the PAA than what the official records reveal..... Lodas

@ Large Green.......you said that former shareholders of WAMU own the estate.... by what legal authority does this action occur if former equity holders shares were cancelled and extinguished.????? it has been 12 years since the reorganization of the assets of WMI, and 16 years from the Receivership, and yet no such transfer of former assets representing the Retained Earnings which back the estate has been made....in fact, the retained earnings of the former estate which was the accumulated value of 20.77 billion dollars was removed from the 2012 Feb MOR, as submitted to the bankruptcy court ,and was REMOVED as a loss (20.77 billion).... In the amended POR 7 filing, WMI states that Title to all assets belong to the Reorganized Debtor, JPM, FDIC, and WMIL-T as successor to WMI...the filing does not say former shareholders own the estate... in fact, WMI makes a statement that the Estate of the Reorganized Debtor always belonged to WMI/WMIH before and after the chapter 11....I suggest that you present to the message board your substantiations why you believe that former shareholders own any property of the Reorganized Debtor so that readers can ascertain that your assertions are true and correct.....Lodas

your post is faulty because of the following points ......(1) Rosen made the statement that WMI had no Safe Harbor, or off book assets ....in fact, WMI makes the statement in bankruptcy court that "all assets required, and those not required to be reported were disclosed to the bankruptcy court...... (2) WMI makes the official statement that Title to all assets belong to the Reorganized Debtor, JPM, FDIC, and the WMIL-T, which was successor to WMI...........(3)... WMI makes the official statement that the ESTATE belongs to the reorganized debtor before, and after the chapter 11 closing.....so far, you have not presented any substantiation that former shareholders "own the estate", and on what premise in law that your assertion is based upon..... former shareholders shares were cancelled and extinguished as part of the amended POR 7, and releases were tendered upon that basis, that former common and preferred holders would get shares in the new company, post chapter 11....and finally, all conditions of the WMIL-T, as successor to WMI have been completed, and all creditors were paid.... there is no mention in any documents that the Reorganized Debtor intends to make additional payments concerning the affairs of the former company to former holders of ANY CLAIMS....Lodas

@ AZ Cowboy........ within all these 10-K's you submitted that you "sequenced". where does it say WMIH will give more stock, or money to former shareholders of WAMU, or make whole again former holders of Unsecured preferred shares, and continue with dividends after the chapter 11 closure??....from what I read in the amended POR 7, all common and preferred shares were cancelled and extinguished, and all rights to dividends under the former prospectus are 'Null and Void"?.....now, I got no beef with you AZ, just want to get to the bottom of what you are trying to convey to this message board....Please state what you have sequenced from all these links you posted... are you saying WMIH is going to return shares, or money to former WAMU/WMI holders, and if so, by what authority do you base this assertion..... Lodas

I have no idea what the lawyers and the FDIC has been doing all of these years!!!!!!...all I can say is whats in the official documents as submitted by WMI, WMIH, POR amended 7, GSA, chapter 11 closing documents, and the most important one, the 2103 WMIH 2013 10-K as submitted to the SEC by INDEPENDENT FORENSIC ACCOUNTANTS....this 10-K lists the residual assets of WMIH of ALL ASSETS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE BANKRUPTCY COURT.......the mediation hearings ordered by the judge for insider trading resulted in a "cure" for common equity and preferred shares....WMI states in court that ALL ASSETS REQUIRED , AND ASSETS NOT REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED TO THE COURT!!!!!!..now, the word "all" means everything within the circumspect of WMI's assets, and nothing left out.....what assets did WMI have that was not required to be submitted to the bankruptcy court?.... WMMRC had 7 sub Trusts that wrote Re insurance policies that were liquidated, as well as the investment company WMIIC that was liquidated that was disclosed to the court......why were they liquidated?...the creditor claims were finally paid for 6.98 billion dollars... WMI only got 6.5 billion in cash from the GSA agreement, and the rest came from liquidation of the 7 Trusts, and WMIIC... in addition, the payments to A/M. Vendor claims, etc totaled over 1 billion, or more to restructure WMI out of chapter 11....my point... the waterfall of money ended short in class 18, which were impaired...classes 19, and 22 were given stock for their releases...The Forensic auditors say in the 2013 10-K WMI is valued at 75.1 million dollars if sold, and has 34 million in Trust.... not Billions upon Billions... the report says NOTHING ABOUT 299 BILLION held by the FDIC... says there are no ongoing lawsuits to retrieve former WMI assets...finally, WAMU was "drained" of the necessary liquidity to back the 300 billion dollars in ARM sub prime mortgages when depositors removed 16.5 billion in deposits, and short sellers drove the stock price down from the highs of 50-60 dollar range....the OTS advised Killinger to sell, or find a merger partner long before the Receivership happened, and finally Fishman was advised to put more money to back those subprime loans... all Fishman could offer was he would convert the preferred to common, and borrow more from the Fed Funds...in short, what the implication was ... WAMU had no other assets to come up with... no offshore, nor Safe Harbor assets.... Rosen attested to this when he said WMI held no safe Harbor, or off balance sheet assets... does this answer your question goodie?..... Lodas

The beat goes on and on from Paladin, Bonanza, LIBOR , and now WMIH 10-K sequenced documents... then comes "soon".XXXX, and countless other baseless theories...It all sounds legal and hopeful until one understands these are not backed by legal documents, and not signed, or verified by parties that suppose to release this stock, or money!!!!!... what document says WMIH has to make former shareholders of WAMU , or WMI "whole again"??????.....why doesn't AZC "sequence" the 2013 WMIH 10-K Official Fresh Start accounting document submitted to the SEC.....??......The document says 7 Trusts plus WMIIC was liquidated, and 'ALL ASSETS REQUIRED , AND NOT REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED WERE SUBMITTED TO THE BANKRUPTCY COURT".....The final accounting states 34 million dollars is held in Trust after liquidating all 7 Trusts held by WMMRC, and WMIIC.... so, where are these billions of dollars hiding?... In ron's T-Bill?... did ron sequence this from the Feb 2012 MOR handed to the court?.... the document says 20.7 billion dollars in shareholders Retained Earnings was removed from the balance sheet (20.7) Loss....so, ok AZC...sequence the 2013 WMIH 10-K, and lets have your opinion on what you sequence from the filing....Lodas

@ AZ Cowboy...... what bullsh**t..... what the hell is a WMIH SEC 10-K Sequenced consideration?????.... where do make this stuff up from???.... There is no language that WMI/WMIH has any language in any document submitted to the SEC that they intend to pay more money TO ANYONE POST CHAPTER 11 CLOSURE??????????????......in fact, WMI warns in the documents that there are aware that certain posters on message boards were exploiting conversations that more money is coming.... you are not a shareholder anymore in these DEFUNCT COMPANIES AFTER THE CHAPTER 11 CLOSING......your values in the former company were satisfied by YOUR SIGNATURE OF RELEASE!!!!!!!.....WMI even states that your common and UNSECURED PREFERRED SHARES WERE CANCELLED, AND EXTINGUISHED.....the language does not intimate that your former values would be reinstated in some future event....let it go man, and go ride your bike, and stay out of the hot sun....16 years since the receivership and 12 years from the chapter 11 closing, and YOU EXPECT MORE MONEY???????????... go fly a kite, and you might snag a wandering cloud.....Lodas