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When you build a computer, do you pick out the RAM, Monitor, PSU, OR disk drive first? Or do you pick your barebone first? CPU and motherboard. The first thing, or at least the ending of the video should have listed the CPU. I mean come on...
That wasn't my point. Read my other recent posts and you will see where I stand. I was merely pointing out that you created an entirely different conversation than what really took place.
I was not pleased with the video, and not pleased with no ticker change, not pleased with no response in any of the 40 emails I have sent thus far to the IR team. OnePlus responded to me in less than 4 hours when I had questions about their phones. 4 hours...
Why are you so focused on the rooting? Seriously? This was a contingency that would need to be addressed IF and ONLY IF the marketing showed that there would be bloatware installed i.e. proprietary software that blah blah blah is required blah. Then, when they release a technical sheet I would want to know if it has an unlocked bootloader. This is easily done, the same way every other manufacturer does it, by ending it to forums to test i.e. AndroidForums.
However, as I stated, the s-lock is MY REQUIREMENT to be met IF they load the phones with shitty software.
"These are the pictures for their mid-grade phone" (Jimmy_Colechhi post 159104)
Not exactly sure how you are creating your own scenario. Very interesting indeed.
Rooting a phone was like literally a backup if the primary condition isn't met. And knowing if a phone is locked or unlocked is good marketing.
Where did you get the "more sophisticated" part from. I just combed through all the posts and that was never stated. In fact, it was said that the Odyssey was the high end phone and the one Jimmy posted was their mid-range phone. Don't make stuff up.
So, I did some point to point comparisons, from what angles are provided in the Utopya video, to that of the UMIDIGI S2 PRO. They are IDENTICAL. Literally the exact same renderings. The difference is in the specs, but one concern I had was that these guys posted the RAM, ROM, battery, and display features. They didn't really tell me more than that. Like is the RAM LPDDR2, LPDDR3, or LPDDR4? The cameras could be the model sony uses in their low end xperia as they have taken to the 23mp camera as their main shooter in their flagships. The ROM, 192??? Not many makers do a max 192, Usually its 64/128/256 with expansion ports for more space. Given, 192 is one of the proper multiples, it just doesn't follow industry patterns. The display...All it says is FHD, so its full HD, awesome. But is this an AMOLED screen? or something else? Battery I don't really care about, because battery size doesn't mean anything if your O/S optimization can't clock the processor properly, to include the RAM clock speeds. Which draws me to the biggest WTF. You never ignore the biggest component in a cellphones architecture...The processor! I mean WTF? Is this using a snapdragon 821 or the 835, is it using the Adreno GPU as well...SO MUCH DATA was left out.
When I decide what phone I want to get next I look at a few key things. One, bloatware, does it have it and can I remove it.
Two, if I can't remove it can I unlock the bootloader and turn S-off and install a clean version of the O/S
Three, if neither of the above can be achieved, don't bother.
Four(if part one is a pass) What is the processor being used and its mated GPU? If it is a new release move to next element.
Five, what is the O/S version and what type of UI is the phone using, if it is a custom UI has it been optimized to work efficiently with the processor for more than two years of software updates, AND are there regular updates to the UI that coincides with releases of updates to the O/S
Six(if conditions are favorable in five) What amount of RAM is being used in the phone and what format is it in i.e. bus speed, lpddr3? If it is newer generation and above or equal to 4GB...smiles
Seven(if conditions are still favorable) How much onboard storage is available AFTER O/S takes its share. Not the stock storage but the amount after O/S install. 64GB is ok with a 13MP rear camera and 8MP front facing and no HD-recording. However, if the phone does 16MP front and Rear and saves images in an uncompressed format...YIKES, even 192 isn't enough. Hope it has expansion slots.
Eight(all the other stuffs) What technology is the screen? Is the fingerprint reader a POS like the iPhone one? Speakers? Bluetooth version? Communications i.e. https://www.xgpforum.com/new_XGP/en/001/TDD_band.html
what is the frame material, glass, aluminum, both, matte finish or gloss? Phone weight?
Not all of this needs to be released in a promotional vid, but the core components DO need to be addressed as well as the custom UI, because this is what people tend to recognize about different vendors phones.
I said before, these guys are not tech savvy at all.
The fact you think the COMET video is of better quality makes your opinion ILLEGITIMATE.
Um, Moore's law doesn't work like that. It won't be obsolete in a year. In fact it wouldn't be obsolete for a decade were the tech properly implemented. Moore's law applies to the size of the transistor, not the capability of the phone. The reason Apple phones are antiquated in a year is because of shitty programming, or precise programming. Either way, I can build a phone that can handle the next gen apps for at least 10 years. Why is this? Well Moore's law, as I stated, applies to the manufacturing process of the transistor not to the programming or resource management. Ever wonder why a boxed PC or Laptop is a POS after a year when a custom built PC or gaming Laptop can last 10-15 years? If you didn't know this now you do. Either way, Moore's law has insignificantly little to do with why phones are shitty after a year.
I had to sell today, needed the 8k. Made a stupid profit, but did some math and discovered that these waves will warrant more profit. Considering I sold at the pinnacle today, I can pick up tomorrow when it settles low, which I think it will due to the lack of a ticker change, which was anticipated greatly by a lot of people. As well as the lack of discovery concerning the B series...Now, as I said before I never count my sheep one way or the other. I believe they will release a phone, but I think we have many rides and bumps to overcome first. Mainly the fact that there is sooo much hope built up that panic dips happen when there is a lack of expected resolutions.
Either way, I took 800 and turned it into 8000. Not a bad switch. Will reinvest with my initial tomorrow as I know wednesdays open will either be a freefall or a rocket ship....
IT'S JUST SOOOOO EXCITING.
go Utopya!!
Pending disappointment...
I take it this is coming from a tech guru and mad business genius?
Oh wait, no...this is coming from a paper 15 years in the making...
We will see...And regardless of the verdict I have already won.
Go Utopya
As stated and the point was missed. Market isn't over saturated... In fact it's primed for fresh blood.
What's the difference between an iPhone and the Galaxy S8? What's the difference between the Sony Experia and the Honor 7? What's the difference between Motorola and HTC?
The problem here is making the assumption that the market is saturated. But there is plenty of space if someone has a good idea. Restaurants open and close all the time, high turn over rate for those businesses, but every so often a place gets it right and takes off.
So, get on or get off but don't stand in the way.
It is a practice of mine to always approach things with caution and I urge most to do the same. Yes, it appears Utopya is on track and giving us what we need to make waves forward, but at the same time we do need to heed some of the history and make conservative approaches. Remember, we all want to get rich, we don't want to just make the "board members" rich. My momma always said "Don't count your chickens before they hatch!" In that sense, I believe we are heading to the moon, and I hope we make it there. I think these guys have made some past mistakes, but guess what we all have. Edison found how many ways to not make a lightbulb?
Utopya!
Love the movement here.No more dummies here, just a bunch of winners. I'm gonna go do a color by numbers painting, because I need some technical training for the OTC market according the advisory board :D
15 years to write a paper? WOW I figured this out in 2 weeks...I also figured out the cost vs risk analysis, the social engineering aspect, and so far all of my beliefs have paid off...Read Aristotle's On Rhetoric, will help one to understand the many sides of an argument and to never fully vest ones self to a singular idea.
This is true. And as I've also stated before, I do have my concerns so I email them daily. Still waiting on a reply.
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/documentation/tutorials/4g-gps-lte-wcdma-hspa-3g-gprs-shield-arduino-raspberry-pi-waspmote-tutorial/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/phonedrone-kickstarter/amp/
https://skilledflyer.com/arduino-quadcopter-diy-project/
And if I incorporate intels intelisense I can have the UAV follow me. Amazing what tech can do. My capstone is a 4G/5G controlled Quadcopter designed for disaster area S&R operations. DronePhone is already taken so...
After reading through all the speculative dot connecting put together that was intended to show a insider enrichment scheme, ex comet core execs, some kind of connection to a preferred stock scheme...I have to say that I have more belief in Utopya now. I will elaborate. These dot connections show a need for someone to find connections, connections to other companies, to debt and to a select few individuals getting rich. But who is getting rich? If we believe the negative connections it's friends and family. However, I think all this datamining missed some important details. That failed ventures doesn't always mean more failed ventures. Edison found how many ways to not make a light bulb? Of course that argument is thin but I'm on the shitter half asleep with a spinal headache from a spinal tap this past Tuesday(irrelevant). The bigger point is this, comet core failed to deliver a phone, they have still yet to deliver. They raised funds via indiegogo, a decent crowding page, but prone to bullshit, like here. But the thing is just because Jason and Ian left comet core to develop Utopya doesn't mean the two are related. Can we draw this conclusion? Absolutely, but it's a rhetorical fallacy to do this. I may not have the time to pour through years and years of ihub posts that speculated on different owners of ANDI's credentials. But I do know that they aren't here now. Only by speculation are they connected at this point. The thing I see is that Jason, Daryll, Ian, and Owen were actively looking for a phone/texh start-up. For years. They tried a few times, busted it would seem, but haven't given up. Now we can say that the past will repeat and they will fail again or we can assume they've learned and progressed. I still hold my hand because I'm playing deuces and jokers wild, and I stacked my deck. You can lay it all out but I'm the end my stake in the pot puts me ahead.
Stupid is a matter of perspective and again a hasty generalization is used here to make these assumptions. What was a bad idea on one company doesn't make it a bad idea to all. There could, and may have been, a good reason to do what they did.
That said, there could in fact be just the opposite and I have readily said this many times, a scam here at play. I am willing to play that hand, however. So, call it!
This is your opinion, and nodummys DD was very bias and tainted. All that data can be viewed in multiple perspectives. The mere fact that a company can do the same thing privately is a beg the question fallacy. It has no value here. You have your opinion, that is fine, I have mine. I wager mine against yours however. I read the pro's and the con's and I understand the moves to use a public company and a private company. Both have their conveniences. A private company, however, takes on a ton more risk, wouldn't you say? Whereas here, we as investors take on most of the risk. From a business perspective, I would like to not have all the risk, even if it is possible to do myself.
ALSO on a better note. I don't listen to any promotion from someone not working for UTOPYA. It isn't valuable to me, so if the message exaggerates in any manner, I ignore it, because it has 0 value.
The ignorance here is large. Want to know how OnePlus started? How about bLU? Want to know how tech companies actually get their news out there? THEY SEND IT TO YOUTUBERS TO REVIEW.
...YouTube is a media heaven. Marketing via YouTube has more advantages and affordability than trying to pay for commercials and promoters. It has more freedom and allows for direct sharing of content.
What exactly is the issue with this? There are so many companies that use YouTube to promote their material, especially since links can be generated, they can become searchable, trackable, and allow for commenting and voting.
No clue. Maybe it was the bottom...Maybe all the B series sold off...I can speculate...But as long as I am green I leave it alone :p
Yeah, I retorted to the ridiculousness of this post...
No way in hell these guys try to sell a phone at that price point. The marketing alone to hit those prices would cost millions upon millions. They said they were shooting for similarity to the BLU line of phones. So Sixty to hundred fifty USD range.
I am posting this in a retort to many different subjects spoken on this board. I want to address some misconceptions and attempt to do so in a manner that addresses the company and the information pertaining to happenings thereof.
How do the longs feel about the current drop in PPS?
Depends on when the longs jumped on board. Me, personally, am still in the green as far as a ROI is concerned, so I am holding. As for some who bought in HIGH...There is a sense of panic, rightfully so. Because of the devaluation of the series B, those options were dumped, luckily it was in the millions not billions. However, when they dumped, and the price dropped significantly and stop losses were called, and the price began to freefall fear set in. This allowed more wiggle room for the negative emotions to take hold. Personally, I left my emotions at the door which I have also done in the regular market, considering it tanked a shit ton and I lost a lot of money there the past 3 weeks but I bought even more as it was going down.
They need ten to thirty million USD in start-up capital to sell one hundred million USD of product.
No, they don't need that much money at all. Observe these small companies like Blu, OnePlus, and all the small makers here: https://www.phonearena.com/phones/manufacturers
The issue here is that a company needs to make the phones before they sell the phones. But they don't. All they need to do is design the phone, design the software and then sell the phone. The phones can ship straight from the assembler. This assembler can be in India or China and go straight to the retailer in any country. This allows the company to not have a ton of unsold phones on the books that they wasted money on. Some bigger companies can eat this cost and sell later for a loss, but then it can become a tax write off. Lots and lots of logistics hidden here in, I could get very into the engineering econ part of this, but not on a forum. It would take me weeks to work through the exact methods used in small cell companies.
If they legitimately have a few CLEC opportunities available stateside then small stores could make initial orders. If not, they could market they phones in India, as stated many times over. This marketing isn't so that they begin taking orders, but to prep an area for its release. Once the phone is announced they can take orders and let the manufacturers begin shipping a phone. Because of what technology is put in the phones they are somewhat like building a PC. The only real customization anyone makes these days are to the case, cooling, and OS. The internal components are damn similar across all phones, it is the OS that uses these components to make better user experiences. So, they would need some startup capital to manufacture the case but as far as components, they need only to have an assembler put all the selected components together. (This is extremely simplified, but I am not giving lessons in engineering and manufacturing on a damn forum.)
I know that most don’t know anything about cell phones, manufacturing, OS design, programming, or the huge amount of companies selling cell phones but speculative statements where numbers are pulled out of thin air don’t mean anything. I work in manufacturing, I am an engineering student, I do build computers, I can program for iOS and Android, I have built a cell phone receiver out of an Arduino Mega for my UAV. I do not speculate I literally look at the potential and put a weight on the can or cannot. This company has equal potential to fail and succeed and all speculation should be labeled as much.
As far as these guys having enough money for coffee. Let us not forget that a lot of companies started in garages and basements, out of their parent’s house, and on the borrowed dollar of relatives. So, if you have faith in these guys…Buy them a cup of joe!
V/R
W.A.R.
Utopya/ANDI Long!
First,
It would not be a 1,000usd phone. The phones that actually cost this much are in that price category due to marketing. The phone released here will most likely be in the Blu phone range, so 60-150usd per phone. They have actually stated as much before as well, that is, they compare it to the blu line of phones.
Second, I don't think accessories or any line-up there of would be anything more than too much overhead. Accessory sales are a saturated market, from cheap to expensive, not a smart move.
The pps of this stock should in all accounts, once they announce a phone, sit happily at .05-.08usd per share. The price should not rocket until the company begins turning a profit and announces their revenues. Currently at zero, everything posted here is just guessing.
That's not true at all. I have to ask how close do you live to a very poor area with a cricket wireless? Ask them what they sell the most of and I can tell you it isn't always the iPhone or Samsung. They sell more of the really cheap phones...Now, I am not saying this is a scenario and how it will play out, but stateside it is, and you have to admit it, a possibility. That's the game we play here. Possibility.
Let's imagine India as the market they deploy in. Start-up manufacturers sell big there, I couldn't wholeheartedly tell you why but I am pretty sure it has to do with they are poor and over crowded and shear numbers alone means potential. Again, possibilities. Don't change your views because someone seems to have "done their homework" when all that happens is they make ethical fallacies known as hasty generalization. Leave the door open for possibility and just maybe you will be surprised...Or maybe you will get a broken heart. But which one can you afford?
Interesting how after reading some of the other posts made there was a drastic change in opinion. It appears some pure sound logic was lost on the part of an individual to consider ALL perspectives, however instead decided to heed the words of a known manipulator. I love the movie the Accountant for one great reason, the scene when the brother jumps the stock manipulator in the parking garage and tells him to stop spreading lies about a unnamed company and then shorting the stock. To which he replies he shorts a lot of companies...The retort is then, well if your spreading lies on other companies and shorting them then I guess you should stop doing it.
Point is, people who think they have it all figured out are completely ignorant. Acquiring a traded company gives opportunity not for immediate injection of cash, but it also does. It gives a company leverage, the start-up costs and overhead could literally come from private cash and the trading could be for future costs and plans. Which comes to the point, acquire a traded company when its dirt cheap and has the ability to catch a fire. So far the fire is started, thanks to both sides of the up and down equation.
Can ANDI be a scam...?Sure, everything can be a scam. Taking your car to the garage to get an oil change can(and usually is) be a scam. But, you better be ready to lose on any call. The question I have, is can you afford to lose both ways? If it tanks and its a scam I lose a little bit, but if I sell and it takes off I lose a lot. I would rather lose a little than a lot.
As for any person who lost 72k, I can't blame anyone but the investor. They bet on a race before they even knew who was racing. I bet on the race before I even knew there was a race. I am still up. And Honestly, I think this price level is the appropriate level for the amount of information we do have. Any higher without a phone is just over excitement and emotional trading.
As for taking a car to the dealership...They're the biggest scam artists of all...The actually employee sales people. Better to change it yourself.
Ram means nothing in a phone, and neither does a multicore processor if the OS can't properly prioritize tasks. One of the reasons Apple has always had an edge with using older tech is because of their ability to resource manage better than everyone else. Don't fluff stuff up. This phone will not be competing with the giants, it will be competing with the smaller makers.
Honestly, a phone designer does not need to be named. Not till the phones are unveiled. For numerous reasons at that. The first being targeted harassment, and the second being manipulative tactics by companies looking to have them use their product over another. I understand where you are coming from, but from a business perspective I would want to keep my design team under wraps. Engineer poaching is a serious and real thing. Seen what apple took from google and vice versa. I do not mean to relate those guys to Utopya, however I say there is legitimate concern to publishing your design team. That said, there is ALWAYS reason to doubt.
And this is the daily limit for me :p I am at my 15.
Show me the connections in HARD FACT. Not speculative connecting dots, real obtainable data that I somehow have not found. Connecting Loudon Owen to a defunct Comet core by means of an old investor hub message and a site that won't load is not HARD FACT, that is speculative dot connecting.
AS for manufacturing phone for a new company without startup capital...What in the world are the venture capitalists on board for if not start-up capital? I mean seriously how are we ignoring this?
I can build a cell phone out a raspberry pie and a qualcomm chip. However this isn't very productive or marketable and would only serve me. Apple designs a phone but the have vendors manufacture and assemble the parts. Who does their screens? Batteries? Mainboards? CPU? Ram? Who assembles these parts into a shell and delivers? Of course it is possible to call up qualcomm (who doesn't manufacture the entire phone) and order some parts, but to have a phone you need an assembler and supplier. So, ordering three phones is a headache and a half. If they have three phones and an assembly operation I would say they are making moves forward. Comparing this to another company isn't solid data it is speculative at best and highly opinionated. I like to leave opinion and emotions at the door, this allows me to look at all perspectives, even the chance of it being a scam but at the same time it being a chance to pay out. To singularly call it out is drenched in opinion and screams agenda.
Why are you comparing this to another company? Just because something happened before doesn't mean it is the case every time. This is a hasty generalization fallacy and extremely off topic of ANDI and Utopya! These guys have done their job and continue to move forward.
As I said, they use to have the full address there.
141 Adelaide St W, Toronto, ON M5H 3L5, Canada
this is from my google search history as I researched what was there before.
Do you not know where Utopya is? The use to have the address on their website. Pretty sure due to threats from people, they removed it. But they are in Toronto. you can see it here
http://www.utopya.co/utopyacontact.html
Any proof to this or is it speculation built on a hasty generalization?
How is this relevant to the topic of ANDI?