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Out of curiosity, why do you hate this company? Or are you the hero VAPE needs but not the one we deserve.
How did you speak to Kyle?
Source?
I'm sorry, what? VAPE was Red 2 days ago and didn't move yesterday.
You lost that bet.
Been meaning to get around posting on here for a while now. Everything I say is my opinion so feel free to add any important information that I missed.
Hey everyone, just one of the lurkers here ready to please both the bulls and the bears in this public forum. A bit about me, I started buying into this stock when it was at 3$ and have lost a lot of money. However, I'm still very hopeful for this company and I believe that VAPE Holdings has a lot of potential of becoming a great company somewhere in the future. So let's talk about it.
First of all, I'm going to list a lot of my concerns with this company. I want to do this because there are many things you need to pay attention to in OTC stocks. My first concern is that VAPE Holdings has repeatedly fail to deliver. The biggest example I can think of is Hive Glass, which was supposed to be launched in December. However, it wasn't launched until recently, many months later. To you bullish investor, I want you to ask yourself; "how many times will you let Kyle Tracey and the rest of the VAPE team opportunities to disappoint you?" and "What reasons does VAPE have for not sticking to their schedule?". My second concern is that Kyle Tracey and his team has give themselves bonuses, around 100,000 additional shares each. At this current time, the value of those 100,000 stocks is worth roughly 60,000$. While I do think that using shares to pay everyone is a good idea, why are these insiders giving themselves large bonuses worth the same value as their annual earning? And finally, I'm concerned about earning. VAPE is roughly making $300,000 dollars a quarter, which roughly translate to $1.2 million a year. Despite the fact that HIVE has launched new products, profit does not seem to be rising. Other shareholders, are you concerned?
Now, let's talk about why I'm still in this stock. First of all, Warren Buffet once said "If you like a product, you should invest in it." While I do not use their products, I can clearly see a large amount of people are using it. Great reviews from a lot of people, huge instagram follower base, and many tweets with the hashtag #HiveCeramic. To the bears, I ask you to think "How much is an entire type of D-Nails worth?" Another question I would like you to ask yourself: "Is there a future for this company?" From my studies, yes. Currently only 2 states have legalized recreational marijuana. We have 48 more states. And then you have to think about how dabbing is not popular on the East Coast yet. There's a future in this. And finally, ask yourself "If an individual investor was able to invest 2 million dollars into this company, why shouldn't I?"
I hope you can all add onto these questions, from both sides. A lot of your post contain good information but I feel like I'm in a room with pumpers and bashers. I'll like to thank the individuals who post interesting facts. Also, if you speak to Hayden IR, pls stop saying you did because I don't trust you at all. If people wanted to know something, we should all just called IR ourselves.
I don't understand why 420 investor has anything with this stock. Every MJ company is down, there's been no hype in the sector at all. 420 also has nothing to do with VAPE Holding, Hive Ceramics or Kyle Tracey.
What does this mean? That they are able to create more shares to distribute?
Nice! I was at 3$ too but currently sit at 2.12. Trying to get it down to 1.50.
It's really funny to see some people come here just to bash VAPE. If you are not in VAPE, why are you still here? I have lost about 75% of my money in this stock but I still see so much potential and have only continued to get more. In fact, I actually tried to double my stake in VAPE but the prices only went up.
Does anyone wanna loan me 2000$ so i can pick up some cheap shares...?
While I do like to see new news, it makes me wonder why VAPE needs to take out a loan of 500,000$ instead of using their own 500,000$ to pay for whatever they wish to finance. Maybe VAPE does not have a lot of money on hand to use?
Problem is that they don't make full retail value. I would cut it down to 500,000 - 600,000 as a reasonable hit.
Well my bigs aren't the same as your bigs, if I remember our previous conversation before.
My "big" implies that VAPE Holdings gains a new business venture, for example, the concentrate production factory while your "big" is something alongs the line of hitting the million dollar revenue mark, or something along those lines.
I'm fairly certain that there will be no PR unless something big happens soon. That's what I got from the PR about Hive Glass a while back.
The short only makes 50% if the stock goes to 50$ from 100$.
I could be wrong since I'm completely basing this on my memory so please correct me but I believe that the information about how much money they made on their old website was talking about HIVE Ceramic. Hive Ceramic pays VAPE Holdings a small piece of their profit as a dividend so when VAPE holdings made 300,000 dollars, HIVE made much more.
jethrowTUll, thank you for bringing up some great points. Actual discussion is something I wish we saw more of on this board. I really do hope Malvern replies as well, with something as thought out as what wrote, even if it was negative just so we can see where both sides are coming from.
Maybe you think it's a terrible thing that the CEO isn't posting any news right now. I think it's a great thing. There is no news to report so they do not report news.
A while ago, you said that Kyle should report when they reach the million dollar mark or something along those lines. From that, I judge that you don't completely understand how Holding Companies work. Holding Companies get paid a dividend. That dividend depends completely on how much money those individual company makes. Sometimes in the future, Hive Ceramic will send a dividend check to VAPE Holdings, which VAPE will then disclose in their own financial report. It's not a "If Hive Ceramic sells 1 item, Vape Holdings gets 5$."
If VAPE makes 300K a quarter, for 4 quarters, they would make 1.2 million dollars.
If VAPE is 20 cents a share, their Market Cap would be 2.2 Million Dollars. They are on track to making 1.2 million dollars a year.
GreenMomo, I think it is a good thing for you to say that this stock could potentially be worth 50 cents. It helps me average down so that when the stock does pop, i'll make thousands of dollar. Additionally, 50 cent is actually believable. However, in order for VAPE to be worth only 2.2million dollars but can make 1 million dollars annually, I would jump invest 2.2million dollars into VAPE myself (If I had the money). That's a 50% return per year.
This is also just from the cost of their one company, Hive Ceramics. Last I check, they could still possibly be able to buy another company and there's also Hive Glass in the work.
Please GreenMomo, I want actual discussion on this forum group. You are a funny man but the joke isn't funny anymore when you're just going lower everyday.
Guys, this isn't VAPE being a bad stock. This is the market going through a major pullback right now. A lot of companys are easily down 20-40% these last 2 weeks.
Can someone tell me what malvern meant when he said that "they want to crater the PPS". They as in VAPE Holdings.
Are you implying that they want the stock to fall?
VAPE has been clear about the fact that they do not plan on doing
I don't understand what PR they are suppose to release?
You are indeed correct on both points.
In any case, I really want VAPE to keep dropping so I can buy more shares in a month. That's when I'll be getting my pay check.
Long VAPE.
I'm going to have to agree with GreenMomo about how much money VAPE will make. I'll be pleased if VAPE makes more than 500,000$ but for now, I'm gonna expect a 300,000 dollar profit.
Also, http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/11/14/50-unfortunate-truths-about-investing.aspx
"27. When someone mentions charts, moving averages, head-and-shoulders patterns, or resistance levels, walk away."
This is so sad. I was hoping that VAPE hit $1.20 so I could buy another 1000 shares of it in 4 weeks.
It's okay if you don't understand it. If you think VAPE is going to go down to .10 cent, I hope it does because then I'll buy shares.
In all honestly, investing is about knowing more stuff than other people. It's better if you refuse to believe, more money for me to make. I don't really like telling people my thought process anyway.
I'm going to play devil's advocate so that we have actual discussions instead of us saying "VAPE Deserves to be X.XX or Vape is undervalued/overvalued."
To all the bulls: Vape Holdings is probably not even close to the bottom yet. Think about the company's fundamentals. VAPE made a little over $300K, which is almost nothing. The company only has one major brand, known as Hive Ceramics. From the last Quarterly review, VAPE Holdings has very little money to actually do anything in the near future. Additionally, VAPE has a huge debt that they are trying to get out of. You can't even imagine how hard it is to do business with a company has to pay off their debt instead of using it for other business ventures. Do not think VAPE deserves to have a 30 million market Cap when it only makes 1% of that per quarter.
To all the bears: VAPE isn't a short term stock to hold. The MJ industry is just getting started. Investing in VAPE is a long term venture. Think 10-15 years down the road. Next, VAPE has a PR at least once a week. Since VAPE only holds Hive Ceramic, VAPE is HIVE CERAMICS. And they seems to be publishing more news about sales every week. 3 out of their last 5 post on their IG is about how stores have just restocked on Hive. Next, let's trust the management of VAPE. Kyle Tracey hasn't posted bullshit news on the stock to drive up price and increase his money. Instead, the price is plummeting due to lack of news, yet Kyle still hasn't intervened. Trust in the management not to lie to you and trust in the product and you will be rewarded when everyone else jumps into the stock later.
I am holding VAPE and not planning on selling the shares anytime soon. If VAPE hits the 1.20$ mark, I'll probably buy more shares but until then, I'm just gonna wait.
http://instagram.com/p/s_CaxkTNii/?modal=true
Hive Ceramic "Our 18m direct inject fits the 20m dnail coil perfectly. We also have our custom enail head coming out soon, that fits 16m and 20m dnails! After that, our proprietary electronic heating element drops. It's going to change the game!! Stay with us for more info!!"
Does Vape Holdings own 100% of Hive Ceramics?
It is true that the ceramic breaks if you don't handle it correctly. However, that can be said of almost everything ceramic. The people who do know how to use it are the ones that will let everyone know about this product though. If it breaks but people really want how smooth the hit is, they'll get another one and try to not break it. Additionally, if you look on their Instagram, they are not only about to release VAPE Glass but also a torch specifically made for their ceramic so it doesn't break.
Additionally, they don't have to tell people how much money they're making until the Quarterly Report. In fact, why bother telling us how much money they make? It's really not going to make a difference if they make another 15,000$ per week because that much is insignificant to even mention. What VAPE currently need to do is to buy another company that is popular as HIVE Ceramics.
For now though, VAPE has a Hold Status for me. I wouldn't say sell it but I also wouldn't suggest buying any more shares for a while.
With that said, let's talk about the baby that is on it's way in the HIVE Family, HIVE Glass!
VAPE is a terrible stock.
Their product is terrible. If you go on Hive Ceramic's Instagram, they have only 32,000 followers. That means only 1 out of every 220,000 people actually wants to follow them.
Then, we have to considered the fact that nobody cares about Instagram. It's not some kind of big shot multimedia site where people care about their follower/following ratio. People on Instagram just go around following everything so who cares if 32,000 followers are following this dumb brand.
We'll also talk about the reviews on Youtube/Twitter/Instagram/Facebook as well. Everyone is saying how trash Hive Ceramic is. Zero positive reviews on this bad product, as I previously stated.
We can also talk about how VAPE has not posted any new PR since their Quarterly Report. As a company, they should just make stuff up to give us shareholders a reason to hold the stock. How ridiculous of them. A good company needs to keep coming out with information for the Shareholders, like the other marijuana company who have the SEC's attention. What kind of marijuana company are you if you don't even have government attention, jeez.
I would advise everyone to sell their shares of VAPE Holding because a company like this is not a company anyone should invest in.
Hi everyone, first time posting but long time lurker. After doing my DD, I came here to give you a summary of what I like about Vape Holdings and why VAPE is definitely worth more than it is currently. However, please note that as a small time investor, I can only know so much.
First of all, let's get this straight out of the way. VAPE is definitely a risky stock. All Pink Sheet/OTC companies are automatically more risky than those companies that are on NASDAQ AND DOW. However, this does not change the fact that there are actually legit businesses in the Pink Sheet/OTC exchange. Additionally, despite the risk of VAPE, the upsides are tremendous. I'll throw some numbers out for everyone. CANV has a 102mil Market Cap. CNAB has a 78.52mil Market Cap.MJNA has a 157mil Market Cap. VAPE is at 21mil Market Cap. With a 21mil Market Cap, VAPE is seriously behind their competitors, many who don't even make money or sell any products at all. My judgment from this is that it's undervalued.
Next, let's talk about their brand Hive Ceramics. On August 20, Hive Ceramics had 31,273 Instagram followers. As of right now, they have 31,597 IG followers. That's an increase of over 300 followers in 9 days. If we project the growth rate of popularity for this brand at a linear rate, we will be able to achieve around 12,000 new followers a year from now. Additionally, I have been reading through the Instagram post comments. Lots of positive reviews. You can also look at HIVE review on Youtube and other links like TokeCity. Lots of positive ones as well. Warren Buffet once said that you can't time the market, you can only buy stocks that have a good product that will sell. I believe VAPE will sell so I invest in VAPE.
Now I will admit there are also negative aspect in VAPE as well. While I was hoping to hit it rich a week ago when the earning game out, I was devastated. It looked terrible. It WAS terrible. However, as start up company needs more time. 300,000 in revenue is not that big of a deal. Good products will sell. While it made me sad, I am sure that in the long run, VAPE will earn more.
We just need to wait for the next business move VAPE makes. While I see some bumpy roads ahead unless they could make some serious cash right after earnings, I do think of VAPE as a long term buy and I hope many of you stick it out to the end.
Also Rakeman, calm down. If you don't like this stock, go away. I'm getting tired of reading your messages about how MJ companies are pump and dump.