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Actually when you think about where the stock price was one year ago the year long performance is big.IF you were told last december that the stock would end up here this december youd feel differently I obviously dont know any inside stuff so Ill just speak from experience in micro companies. Pretty much no one is selling.Except one party who meets every positive technical benchmark with big sell orders. all the same size. With no accompanying negative company news. If anything positive news. So aside from the malevolent anomolie.... It could be first of all a lack of activity which happens every december year end. Last year the stock bubbled in december but only after Jan 1 did it really go off. Obviously because of the LOWES deal(which they didnt have before). I havent seen any numbers yet from that opening of a serious distribution channel. There have been a couple more announcements of basically a new product that eventually is seen as a great alternative solution to water shortages all through the hurricane belt. The way Im looking at it, if this company was a pump and dump they sure are continuing to make things happen and over a long period of time. The supply chain disruption could have easily be gumming up their manufacturing not to mention the covid mandates etc which have disrupted labor in manufacturing as well. Companies the stage this one is are harder pressed to experience disruptions in parts needed for production or labor. If anyone knows about more factors I hope they post them. I see alot of upside if one is patient.Lastly they have patents and intellectual property. Sometimes its a bigger fish that is sniffing around to acquire the technology.
A couple questions anyone holding the stock has to ask.
first- Have things gotten worse or better for the company in the last 12 months?
Second- have all the announcements been phony or real?
A third question could be is what the company does getting more or less valuable
The dead in the water trading of the last month is very reminiscent of LAST December.
Just before the big dump yesterday I posted my thoughts.
Unless all the press releases for the last several months are all fake....I stand by my opinion. Been here done this. When the fundamentals keep improving its only a matter of time before the traders and shorts work through their whatever. The keyb to the recent due diligence was about how the hotel and luxury re market has started to incorporate this technology into their business models.
My guess whats happening
Ive been following the trading closely for the last couple months. This is pretty much how the stock has always traded. Listless. Up and down a little each day but with a seeming floor below and a ceiling above. Its why I kept it for several years now. The reason I did, in spite of such a listless performance stock price wise, was because the actual material news was always auguring on the plus side. I have always thought the market for this product was enormous. Yet everyone has stuck on the water is cheap and plentiful everywhere wagon. I think that is changing. Relative to other companies like this they dont have too much stock outstanding in my opinion. They have added expertise. They have improved products. The biggest question I have now is whether they could meet demand given the current supply chain snags in terms of manufacturing and parts. I dont see this company reverting to the same place it was years ago. The recent info stuff clearly says the time is probably coming sooner rather than later. Patience is a virtue.
Is there any way to get sales or revenue numbers or do we have to wait for official reporting? I think that is what the market is waiting for. The volume of the sale volume was very extraordinary. Is that an insider or other person in the know who knows the numbers arent going to be extra good short term? I agree the future is very good but the question is how long to get there.
The action this last couple weeks has been interesting. Im not in the know about anything, I bought the stock se veral years ago but I will say that in my prior missives I mentioned that one of my technical advisory services; every time thy say the technicals are saying "buy" someone comes in with a huge selling to any buying that has been encouraged by the technical signal. Note the technical service isnt a "pump" or "information" service. They look only at the what the chart says and the trading activity. So any "pumping" to cause buying activity would have to be with market activity not a press release. Which is why i like technicals. Anyway, just as they gave their last 'buy' signal and WTII jumped up it then traded at a huge volume several times its daily volume that took the price all the way down well below a penny and then it immediately recovered.
That ate up all the "protection" limit orders. [[One way to lose a stock is to put in a stop or limit order below your price]. When Ive seen this before it has meant two things. One is that there is someone eitehr in need of the money they put into the stock for other purposes or switching to another horse or (2) No one else is actually selling. The stock recently quietly trading without any solid movement reminds me of how it did exactly this for several years. Meanwhile the company adds significant management personnel, products and distribution channels. The fact that it has been pretty strong remaining at this level in spite of a string of larger than normal trades (all sells)tells me were on the floor and there doesnt appear to be a basement. I like that. It would seem only good things can happen at this point.
my guess is some numbers are starting to happen due to the hurricanes beginning. Not sure how long it takes to get clean water. Same with places like Haitii. When are governments going to wise up.
I noticed that when ever it came down to .011 virtually all selling dried up. NO one is selling. The sudden drop after that spike a couple weeks ago first tried to shake out the traders" and "profit takers" after settling down I noticed it ran on the TOP of that last consolidation priuor to the spike. No sellers under that. The lows all above the prior "tops". That is a classic long term pattern.The only question is can they expect revenues to jump from the recent efforts and news items. If that happens ......
A moments muse----I certainly wont speculate on the price this stock could be at or go to in the intermediate to long term. I will only say one of the biggest mysteries to me for years now has been how badly the world needs this technology, how many countries like the Phillipines, Africa places like Sao Paulo Brazil where clean drinking water in many areas is scarce, should be doing TONS of projects to build out a thoroughly sustainable source. Then theres clean water after hurricanes hit which happens every year. My friend in new orleans told me what that was like finding drinkable water. What has always seemed to me to be a gigantic potential demand or need. And heres this little company sitting there at 0014. For years. Now they can be run off solar? This oil deal can be very big with oil going up because fracking comes back at I think 70bbl(?)Then theres the Lowes deal. These new developments sure looks like this company has revenues in its future now. Going to be fun.
Very funny trading lately. I should say funny behavior. What has now happened three times recently has been the signal on my timing service to turn to BUY (from hold stay in cash etc etc). But the very same time a bunch of selling pressure hits. Its a purely technical oriented service. They dont look at anything but the trading (buying and selling) itself. Nothing about what a company does. Anyway, it shot up alot weeks ago and then went through the typical profit taking stages etc etc. For some time now as many await developments its been going lateral which means its close to "breaking out" on the upside chartwise even going only slightly up. Important is it hasnt come close to going back to square one where it was a few months ago. Usually means the traction is real. In any event its been mostly selling 5 of the last 8 weeks I believe so since volume has really dropped it means they are seemingly running out of sellers. I dont know the amount of shorts but when the technical indicators are clearly saying one thing, and, on a dime the stock goes the other its usually an external force. Not reverting all the way back means its more than likely a real thing business wise going forward. Now who would not want to see the stock go up and break out? Who could possibly want that?
I thought it was a little strange that it went from "buy" to "sell" almost over night. Technicals shouldnt change that much that quickly. The day after one system said buy there was very little market reaction the next morning. The day after that it gets a "sell" When I look at the trading activity it appears to me that there is a big buyer or small n umber of them always placing the same order and exhibiting the same timing. At least in my experience. What this hints to me is that there arent a mass of "traders" in this position. Its mostly investors. The recent news about getting into LOWES was good but its only six stores. For now. Thats great news although its not going to move the earnings needle a ton, short term. Long term I love this technology in many ways and fully expect it to do nothing but grow and could accelerate massively if other countries decide to go this route. Which they are stupid for not doing so already. One thing stands out above all to me as an investor who invests and doesnt trade. I cant see this company going back to where it was. It may take some time to get into the dollars per share level but in my humble opinion that long term is inevitable unless they get bought out sooner. I have been in this stock for years now but Ive been buying into this whole decline.In the successes I have had once they get here developmentwise, (only 11 million shares float according to yahoo?) patience will pay off.
Todays action could be (I repeat, could be, a big deal) In my experience 90% of the time when yous ee this kind of action it is the market maker dropping the price to catch all the limit orders set there by investors to protect against a permanent drop. In the past this kind of day has been a good thing. I dont know any new news to come out but to finish up this much up on a day that starts that much down has been what I said. market maker driven and why I never put stop or limit orders in to protect my position any more. Used to but saw this happen a couple times and never used protection stops again.
Many of those charts are simply short covering not pumps and dumps. Any stock heavily shorted looks like that when they cover. The other side arent buyers as much as the market maker.
Dont know enough about that to comment.
As an asset play (and not a revenue play) what is occurring is akin to waiting for the results of a "test" of a mineral deposit. There are no fluctuating fortunes or revenues or markets. In the case of VPLM we have been simply waiting for the obstruction and stalling and appeals to run their course.And the negotiating begin to buy the company or lease the technology. The price as I see it is a by product of expectations. Some people < probably holding lots of shares, actually DOES know what is truly happening. The trading to me seems to indicate a large buyer who buys if it dips to a certain price they consider a value based on what they know. I could be wrong of course but a certain pattern has repeated at certain times that say that to me.
Thanks for your detailed discussion. Allow me to address your comparison to "the lottery". You buy a ticket and wait for the drawing. But in a penny stock case you have a bunch of information on both the company with its moving parts, and the industry its in. This is a patent play or asset play, not a revenue play. So things evolve and play out. AS opposoed to a lottery in which the only operative moment is when the drawing occurs. Its up to each penny stock buyer to assess all the information. On the lottery there is none. Its simply a number with its inherent odds. There is a ate on the lottery drawing. Stock stories can play out for ten years or more. Secondly, you can sell the stock before what ever you bought it for occurs. You can get in AND out multiple times. You cant re-sell a lottery ticket. Some people might look at it the way you do, but to do that you must overlook alot of elements. -----A number of your other points reflect on why they didnt do this or that sooner. You do what you have the capacity to do and alot of things sound good until they are economically studied for feasibility. maybe they got that law foirm under certain limitations as per numbers of case. WE cant know but anything and everything is possible in this area. ----who should have been sued is probably determined by the evidence you have and the counsel of your law firm ---- as for the outdated technology. Archimedes water pump was invented in 585 BC and is widely used today. I donts ee any change in the basics of social media. The VPLM tehcnology is pretty much at the core. The PRIOR damages are set and fall under common law. You used the technology, you owe someone.-- as for the "chicken game" theory to start all these companies eventually admit they stole and they pay up. Meanwhile their "fine" compounds in the bank and/or the little guys suing run out of money and settle for less. Its their strategy. But also they have otehr strategies and up to now all the ones that have worked didnt with these court decisions. Suing on changing grounds until some judge says that one is OK and they get the whole thing thrown out. That failed this time. Onloy after all the stalling is ended does the chicken game begin.Once the go ahead gets the green flag I think it will begin. In earnest.
It has been hanging here because someone knows something we do not. If it was a nothing situation it wouldnt be. Not for this long.
You have your lottery analogy perhaps flawed. VPLMs position isnt that of a guy holding one out of a millions of tickets./ Its that large forces have been typically able to postpone the inevitable. People may be frustrated that what looked like it could be resolved in the first couple years, faced the stalling tactics of the big companies and the slow due process trail. But I knew of one of those oil spill suits that went 20 years. So to me this is simply the farthest thing form a quick buck or trading situation. This is literally like buying raw land in the path of progress. It may take a long time but it inevitably gets there. And all the land had to do was stay in the same place. But law suits challenging the progress gummed up the path. What I particularly like about VPLM situation now is that even if new technology were to suddenly emerge and make everything they have obsolete,(extremely unlikely) all they have to do then is collect for all the back time use. Another thing I am liking more and more is the game of chicken all the other big companies are playing with each other. Eventually someone is going to get smart and simply make an offer for the company then all the others will be either dealing with them (MIcrosoft/Apple etc) or making a competing bid themselves. Some say why hasnt that already happened? Because it didnt need to as along as the clarity of the suit hadnt been established until the PTAB and most recent court decision. My guess is we arent too far from that happening. And once it starts it could get very interesting for us longs.I may not have all the anticipated development news like another trial somewhere. Its justa feeling I have given how long Ive been watching this situation. my 2 cents
Has the specific relationship between Neah Power and XNRGY been spelled out?
What exactly is the relationship between XNRGI and Neah Power?
Sorry if its a dumb question but I cant find any answer that is easy to find.
This is my question at this point. Has DeCouto ever in detail explained XNRGY? Has he ever insinuated that the patenst DONT belong to NPWZ?
No second company can simply start using another companies technology without some form of compensation to the owner of the technology. 2- A director cant simply "abandon" the company he is a fiduciary of to pay more attention to second one. If a director allows a/the second company to use proprietary technology without comp he is clearly in violation of his duties to the first. The patents are still property of Neah Power. What Deecouto could be doing is setting it up where company 2 leases the technology from Neah. Im not going to assume DeCouto isnt informed of all this.
No second company can simply start using another companies technology without some form of compensation to the owner of the technology. 2- A director cant simply "abandon" the company he is a fiduciary of to pay more attention to second one. If a director allows a/the second company to use proprietary technology without comp he is clearly in violation of his duties to the first. The patents are still property of Neah Power. What Deecouto could be doing is setting it up where company 2 leases the technology from Neah. Im not going to assume DeCouto isnt informed of all this.
The problem with shorting this stock is that a spike to a much higher (and permanent) cost could be an instantaneous move.
In a way you are right. About the dream pipe. having said that It is clear to me that someone actually knows the value and the probabilities. And all indications are that they feel fair value is far above where the non-dream value is. If someone did know that the odds truly favored a total fools errand stock story; my thinking is they would have left the building long ago. That it didnt go all the way back to sub penny, in fact today is far above that "its worthless" valuation. It appears to me that the long long term holders have no intention of selling since so little money is involved. The lack of volatility implies no traders are involved. Who is left? My guess is only those who know. And it appears they know something given their access to what the lawyers are saying at lunch or on the golf course. The tide in the form of the Apple negative gravity beam and the tedious court processes has never let up but the move to 40 cents implied that as soon as this matter looks like its going to get real , ie the matter is settled and the sides are clear (VPLM vs BIG TECH)the settlement, if getting there, is way above this level. As such it isnt a revenue play, it isnt a normal predator acquisition, it is a true spec and has to be looked at like that. There is no bell thats going to end this game. All that has to happen is the court allows the suit against the bigs to go forward. The weird thing about this spec is that the stock could be worth anything but onoy realize that at a time no one knows (when the court will announce its decision) and that moment could occur at any moment. My advice is just sit back and watch the situation not the stock price.
I have seen the short interest on at least one trading site. I go to many. Short covering looks like a buy.
Im just sharing what I think is happening.Certainly could be wrong. Ive watched alot of tapes and trade records over the years. The price slipping as you call mis iis due to a lack of open orders. There are not alot of people trading this stock. A small group has been in it for a long time.
While I obviously could be wrong it occurs to me what might be happening here. DeCouto more than likely believes hes getting very close to success. But all the things he mentions are simply eliminating costs. Hes not worried about us, hes worried about making it to the next lilly pad. But the testing being done doesnt conclude until SEPTEMBER 2018. Until then he cant begin to anticipate sales because whatever clients he can get will wait until that testing is done.The project with Sandia labs. I have always looked at this stock/company as an asset play, not a revenue play. The technology being real causes me to dismiss all the "manipulation" stuff. Traders trying to time a spike will get in and then out.The thing with the 5 million reporting could impact Decouto but wont alter the companys course. With 5 million hre can hire a good defense lawyer to deal with what is a regulatory matter. Him delisting the company and rep[orting requirements is typical to do in these case.s I like the technology and believe it will be HUUGE in the near future. Both defense and drone applications at which from all indications this company has the best technology. So with defense spending rapidly exploding everywhere Im happy just to wait it out. UNless its all BS the company has developed good contacts and joint partnerships in their field. IMHO.
Looking at the trading today. It certainly appears as if a large buyer is accumulating. Some "buys" are short covering. When you have large buys not moving the price up you have a big seller going on. Recently I notice the sizeable buys are all the same size and they have moved the price up. Then after its higher they wait to see if anyone is selling. When that stops it repeats. A string of buys like the last couple days would indicate someone expects good news in the not too distant future. I always keep in mind this company is only one thing. A patent play. An asset play. Not a revenue play.
Just curious. How can there be 131000 short interest and yet you say there are no short sellers?
Looks like my comment on the "big buyer" came true today. But Im always cognizant of the fact that a big buyer, besides having alot of speculative money, knows something. The last few days it really looked like the MM was cleaning out stop orders. You tried to protect your gain from the last run up or to prevent losing money at a price below your investment and you are now gone. But not to count chickens, the stock has to go over 20 cents to get above its trading channell. Until it does it could simply be a run up to bring in buyers to allow someone else to get out. Connect the peaks in the last sell off and it has to get above that.I didnt see an announcement of the increase in the bid but the game of chicken among the OTHER company defendants is getting pressurized at this point. Someone may be about to come forward with a real bid. Thats when its going to get interesting.
The impression I have is that there are short sellers who have been trying to bust the down side. But the rogue sellers dry up so the shorts are really only playing with the market maker. The longs are waiting for this court to finally announce its decision. Im not sure whats taking so long but thats the shorts hope that the whole situation goes into a state of long term uncertainty. Not sure how they get there. So little left to decide. The big techs havent been making a ton of friends lately.
The best and biggest payoff for Malek is the company is monetized.His biggest incentive is to make something great happen for shareholders.
Could be "institutional" buying but Im only thinking its a "large" buyer. My best guess is people who know the lawyers or someone in the law firm. Some form of "insider". The correction from the top so far is normal from the standpoint of a speculation,If the true odds of VPLM getting stopped kin its tracks was aprobability the stiock would have gone right back to where it all started. The fact that its still THIS high is an indication that there is still substance.
M/O
Does anyone know what the next important date is at this point. Are we still waiting for the court to decide the case can go forward or did I miss that?
Sure was an enormous purchase this morning. Also two substantial SELLS barely dropped the price. There is a large accumulator out there somewhere. Important for people to know that when the market dumps some investors need money from anywhere and they sell things they arent hot to sell otherwise. Given all the negative market atmosphere the price has held up pretty well in the recent week.
Did anything happen today vis a vis the court?
Has the court made any decision yet. I cant find one so is it today or do I have that wrong.
There area couple holes in your theory IMHO. The first is the technology is real. The patents are real. And a huge law firm is pretty certain that all their efforts have been in a legitimate and serious prosecution has been conducted. Are they gambling on a marginal vague illusory case? If anybody knows it would be that law firm. Why have all the big companies NOT engaged the process. because they have maybe 100 to 200 billion overseas and earning interest. They have a trillion more. These companies (or one of them) bought WhatsApp for 44 billion. Like the oil companies and the environmental lawsuits some of which 20 years old and still not resolved, the tech companies are simply cutting their ultimate costs by stalling, obstructing, and meanwhile the corpus is earning interest. This isnt an environmental lawsuit. Its far more clear cut than those are. They at first thought theyd prevail. Since they lost they are trying to get the entire process thrown out. I cant see that working due to the limitations on appeal. After the judge allows the VPLM suit to proceed I think we will see action by one of these companies, probably the ones who cant afford to keep playing chicken. once ONE company breaks the ice and if that company is perceived as being able to suit the others alot more will start happening. Whoever buys VPLM will be owed by the others.
After looking closely at the trade data all i can say is this plummet is normal for a stock that has jumped like this one has. The most interesting thing I see is that the similar large trades once again commenced on the buy side.