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Does the money Orrv and time Orrv used to help Miscovich result in a active claim against his Attorney if the FBI and the Court prove fraud is part Silverstien conduct?
I remain puzzled at the experts looking at the emeralds and the emails from the Smithsonian. The 60 minutes jeweler and his expert who are believed to have looked at the emeralds before the filming and after. Jay's lawyer must of had information even before his Affidavit. He probably will be the main payee.
Thanks for all the information guts. My stock account shows a N on the account. I do not think anyone can trade this stock. Anyone know.
Capted is the Trial more then one day for Motivations sanctions?
Josh Lents and the other gem experts must have their valuations that they make on the JTR's emeralds in Court. 25 of the emeralds were each in and around $100,000. That part of the story would have to be someone with money to obtain such high value emeralds. 26 emeralds that Jay states he give to the Smithsonian may just be a made-up story.
It is interesting if the Court overlooks the 60 minute individuals and their experts as those emeralds value on the table at the jewellery store in New York as they appear to be the same emeralds that were sampled by Motivation after the show aired. Capted this should be interesting as to who should of known what and when. The main concern I have is did Scott Heimdal know that the emeralds were not the value he personally and Orrv represented in the newspaper and releases.... to readers that were investors. It will be interesting how many deemed insiders and friends of Scott sold shares above .0003. What was the date of the start of the Trial Capted?
Before redress can-be started the fuller truth must be revealed through the Court process. Then those so found to have knowledge of the emerald condition may find themselves on a never-ending road to disorder.
Just read the first page of the keywestnews. They state Bruce Silverstein new that the emeralds were bought and not found. That cannot be true as Bruce Silverstein make an Affidavit to the Court in the Emerald case that was fully convincing. I am sure that Bruce will have the last laugh after the appeal is complete.
Key west news states that 1 of Jay's lawyers was aware that \jay bought the emeralds. Is their any factual basis for such a statement?
The good thing is the SEC enforcement team under "White" will not now allow small companies off so easily by paying fines without a standing of blameworthiness. Any class of people so harmed will not just be able to ask for losses from the companies engaging in misleading information but from any other parties so connected as deemed to have some knowledge. This is not over until the movie is complete, be it a documentary or otherwise. One would think the New Yorker's are really interested in the case. I sure am. Orrv set up websites including emerald websites but cannot do simple accounting for SEC purposes. Although, Jay still seeems to believe he will be able to sell those emeralds of his, per his last newspaper interview.
Capted did you borrow some money to Jay or what was the reason Jay sent you some emeralds? Did you locate the timber at one of your work sites? Do you have a percentage the same as Orrv?
Capted are you referring to JTR using a different area to boat out - checking to see if some emeralds are still on the top or near the top of the ocean floor? Who knows, their seems to be continued surprises in the Treasure business your way in Key West.
June 4th, 2012 Orrv still believed the emeralds Jay Miscovich located and brought up to the surface were worth around $600,000,000. Scott Heimdal allowed statements to be make of his experience and trust in opposite of other treasure hunters. So I continue to trust Orrv. I do not know if Scott Heimdal had any information before that article in the Peoria Journal Star that revealed his statements on behalf of Orrv were misleading. Otherwise those statements would be corrected in a similar manner. But the facts will come out one way or the other that I am sure of. The Canadian and American scammers who defrauded around $140,000,000 from investors are mostly in United States jails until they are shown the real hand of the Law. Many will be surprised to know that no one gets away with any type of fraud, not Motivation or Orrv. Sure hope some emeralds are sold before October 5, 2013.
From the Affidavit of Jay's Lawyer and Miscovichs statements that he received from experts. But the look of some on the table at the high end jewelry store on 60 minutes was not that impressive to me but it seemed to be to the owner and jewelry expert. Jay stated to the Key west news paper that one display will be a million or more but the orrvweb site that showed some of the emeralds was taking down. One display was about $500,000. Scott can afford to put the emerald site up but not file current information. Don't understand.
-What is more Fraud based - not being able to prove beyond a doubt that JTR Group discovered a real treasure or a group making up 2 claims that were found to be untrue and then go further and have there emerald expert further give evidence that the emeralds are valued at around $50,000 when he and the Fishers had evidence by other true emeralds experts that the emeralds were valued in the millions. What one may be saying - who was committed to defraud the Court? Yes this will be very interesting? The Judge never stated what you stated Capted. Has to do with the manner and context of the questions that were asked and the time asked. There was no ship found thus the Judge stated both may be right or both may be wrong as he wrote his decision. He stated there was no proof at this point on both sides that there was a Fraud on the Court. From looking at some of the emeralds on 60 minutes that were at the high end jewelry store I wonder too why other experts gave such a high value endorsement for JTR's Group emeralds.
I verbally spoke to Mike Johnston around 8 months ago. I emailed Mike Johnston a week ago and he informed me to telephone him but I have not been able to speak to him as he has not picked up nor returned my call. I was not able to excess the pinksheets information on earh. Scott Heimdal has removed the email information permanently on me. Don't understand the company, sure hope he is following the rules of public companies.
Trueblue if JTR Group was able to sell some of their emeralds for a few million dollars before October 5th that fact along with others would give the Judge much to consider as to motive in relation to why Motivation continued to chance its legal theory and why the millions of dollar difference in JTR's emeralds value compared to another valuation. JTR must be working on such with all their might. Has anyone been able to contact Mike Johnston? Does he still work for Orrv?
Looks like good news for OMEX as it appears to be Halted. May in time be good news for Orrv also.
During my telephone calls to Orrv's Mike Johnston- he verbally informed me that there may be 2 billion shares outstanding and that some individuals want more but that there is not a serious problem with the shares of Orrv for filing with the SEC. If one took over Orrv and found lack of good faith in Orrv's releases and other unknowns then those insiders shares can be cancelled. This would help Orrv shareholders as the Treasure game is the new frontier. But honestly is needed for it to work for shareholders. There are many shipwrecks that can be found and searched. But to raise money trust is involved with the individual backing the programs for Treasure recovery.
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If there are around 2,000,000,000 (billion) shares of Orrv outstanding at .0002 the company would be valued at $400,000. Is that correct or is my math off? Is that not less then what it takes to start a public company?
On the Orrv Web Site under Projects, Scott Heimdal states under Deep Water Salvage that details are coming soon. That should mean something otherwise Scott Heimdal would be using misleading material information on Orrv's trusted Web-Site. So some release by Orrv is coming but when?
Does anyone have any access to the Court files on Pacer? There should be information filed before the October 5, 2013 Appeal. I keep watching the Orrv web site 60 Minutes video.
Scott Heimdal did Alexander Lindale Corp (Wilf Blum) sell his shares of Orrv during the period the shareholders were purchasing shares on the belief that the releases were materially correct and accurate? At that time Orrv was not a fully reporting issuer so if that occurred those shares must be corrected. Also any other deemed insider must be spoken to and you Scott Heimdal must correct the situation of those shares so that Orrv can become a fully reporting issuer. In other words you use your shares to equal the shares of the insiders and deemed insiders -if they did sell. You have hundreds of millions of shares so clear this condition up soon. Or speak to the deemed insiders and insiders and see what they will do. I personally believe you have a really chance to save yourself and the company via this progress or is there something else that's a concern?
Scott on Friday millions of shares are sold and purchased at .0002. Can you explain what is occurring? Why only Friday?
China residents are paying extremely high prices for Jade that is made from Jadeite material as it is harder then the other formation. There sure must be a lot of interest from the Chinese for Miscovichs emeralds given the many experts statements as to their value.
Does anyone have information concerning more Court filings for the October 5, 2013 sanctions and appeal Trial?
Capted I was referring to the time Scott Heimdals was captured in Columbia and the City and his freinds suppled the ranson.
When the person stated to be Mike picked $50,000 in cash from Miscovich what do you think he would do? Surely one of the things he would do is keep an eye on what is occurring with the emerald find he was paid fore. Something about not being able to locate him seems fiction-like. Orrv should come clean if they have any evidence that what they have been releasing to the public was not supported by material facts. This is increased due to the fact that they had promised SEC filings and have refused to follow their own statements.
I may drive to the Law Office of Orrv in Chandler, Arizona to see if any legal activity is finally being done. Orrv has the money to put an Emerald website up surely they can do what is the most important activity which is becoming up to date with the SEC. What are the people that helped him in Columbia really thinking? If there are problems with the shares of some insiders correct the problem.
Orrv would of released information by or through some outlet as has been their custom given their SEC filings problem if they have any grounds of being aware that this find is not what has been legally and factually represented by Orrv. They continue to put forward the connection to the % they own in the discovery with the 60 minutes video and other news-worthy articles without any detraction. All concerned are fully aware that any knowledge of a Fraud so proved will be a beginnings as it were of much more legal action against deep pocket people and those with little or no money. If the degree of knowledge was extreme by any side affected all concerned will see their corporate veil fall and they will also be cared for personally by the legal system.
Did the handyman the Fishers located say he worked for Miscovich in Latrobe? (Which Years) Was this handyman that the Fishers located 6 foot 4 inches tall? Probably not. But the Fishers state in their filings that its an exact match. Is the drifter in the Whistle bar that sold Miscovich the little map drawing 6 foot 4 inches? (Probably yes). Did this person the Fishers state is an exact match ever receive $50,000? Did a person receive $50,000 from the hands of Miscovich? (Probably Yes) Is Mike his real name. (I don't know) Miscovich would of probably known how this Mike Cunningham was going to arriving in Latrobe and probably informed Mike that a large sum of money was going to be his. Thus Mike Cunningham may have come by bus to receive his payment. There should be a ticket then and also after he went back to Florida or wherever? Or did Miscovich make up a name to protect himself or made up a name for other reasons? I do believe someone received money because otherwise the Notary who is in a Trust Position will have some serious legal problems.
Another European heist of a huge money amount of gems. This time probably by the pink Panther Group that just last week broke into a jail with AK 47' a blazing to get the needed help. What seems odd to me is that when millions of dollars of gems go missing usually someone owns them. If Miscovichs emeralds were taken by some untoward means surely the owner would have already surfaced. Further this collection of emeralds is fully proved to be worth around $20,000,000 so far. That does not take into consideration the seafloor and subsea floor treasure and the information down there to better piece this puzzle together. Miscovich and his nine other partners in the JTR Group does not allow someone to say that some of the new website pieces will be worth a million or more without having proof of same just before the Trial. But this statement does not mean more information is not needed as to the actual manner the contract was lost and why the other partners did not secure the actual contract and now only have a copy of it.
JTR enterprises have to solve the problem of ownership of the find during the sanction Trial. If they go out there any other Group can go to the same area and locate and pick up what they find. I believe there are 8 other people with deep pockets in JTR besides M and S. I was under the belief that the emeralds were rubbing against gold on board a ship as it rocked. Miscovichs statements seem to suggest the emeralds were rubbing against gold bars in the actual discovery area. If that's what JTR believe then a plan must be afoot to correct that hug concern.
Miscovichs lawyers must of asked him for the gas receipts each day as they when back and forth to the emerald discovery site. I do not understand how they accept that Miscovich has not retained the contract where-by $50,000 was paid for full with-draw-al from the discovery site by a person living in Florida so-far named Mike. Surely this person has family that can help locate him.
I read the complete article today (April 11, 2013) The article stated: A notary came to the bar and witnessed Cunningham sign the contract and accept the cash. This Notary should be able to tell us more! Also, "Mutual friends didn't know where he might have gone". Thats interesting in that Miscovich must have known this signee's friends on some level. They also could not locate this person whom Miscovich states his named "Mike Cunningham". The Notary stated Mike Cunningham signed his actual name. This was cash so this person could of signed Mike's Cunningham's name and spend the cash. Where are Miscovichs contract and other evidence to confirm this condition? Again the Lawyers would of questioned the high profile investors that they did give Miscovich $50,000 for the purpose of full-proofing the discovery area. My reasoning is if this person has not passed away he can and should be located.
There are to men with the same name in Latrobe. I said handyman. The emeralds value will continue to go up not because of the Pirate dream but because of the evil verses good condition that is supposedly presenting itself. Did Miscovich ever mention Mike was a handyman? Interesting if both men were of the same trade?
The April 11, 2013 article suggests Josh Lents a known emerald expert is a fraud because after 3 years of examining 150 pounds of emeralds he came to the conclusion the Miscovichs emeralds were worth many, many, many millions of dollars.(as per Motivations experts value)
Now if Motivations partner like emerald expert knowingly put a false value on Miscovichs emeralds when Motivation knew or should have known that to effect a legal claim in Federal Court with a barrel going in opposite direction then the actual current and then coming up with a new legal claim in Federal Court not only accusing a young man who worked for the Fishers but also accusing Miscovich of secretly purchasing the stolen emeralds from this young man. Then demanding Millions of dollars over baseless Legal Claims in Federal Court. This Movie will probably make more money for Miscovich then the emeralds so far located.
Then accusing Fraud on the Court through a person named Mike Cunningham on Appeal because he is the only Mike Cunningham found to date. That does not change the fact that JTR should be given the opportunity to go after emeralds he found in the ocean. The Court understands valuations of cars, diamonds, emeralds by experts so there decision will be no surprise.
"In April, Miscovich's phone rang. Cunningham was going to be visiting Latrobe soon." Theres ususally a paper trail of the time, place and length of the actual call. That information is still housed in the data base of Miscovich's carrier. Has the Notaty seen pictures of all Miscovichs friends? What city in the United States did the call come from as shown on the data invoice? Then what area of the City was the call to Miscovich from? If it was a pay phone the actual block the call originated from is easy to locate.
Miscovich's lawyers would have searched all this out from the outset-onward to the first Trial, and it seems in the Lawyers depositiion he and other Lawyers were very delighted at what they found.
"Sure enough, at a deposition in Pennsylvania, the Women who notarized the $50,000 agreement would testify that the individual located by Motivation's Attorney was not the man she'd met."
Does this mean there was an agreement involving $50,000 in cash? There's a high likely-hood this did occur.
Do we know that the New York investors wanted Miscovich to secure full title of the emerald discovery in agreeing to monetary support further discovery? They were the most likely individuals that handed Miscovich $50,000 to then hand over to a person so far named Mike.
Would the individual investors-trusted Miscovich sufficiently with the $50,000 cash? There is a high likely-hood one or more of the investors close freinds was with Miscovich or near by when the agreement was unfolding. Was this person the Women notary saw around 6 foot? There is a high probably that's what she would of seen.
More information is needed of the Women and who Miscovich received the funds for payment.
Josh Lents had the answer to the Fraud charge long-ago (See April 11, 2013 article). Sure, throw millions of dollars worth of emeralds over-broad and then try to relocate them hoping a storm doesn't cause them to disappear or other divers don't find them. Miscovich stated in the April 11, 2013 article that there are TWO handy-men. Miscovich stated he knows there is a fortune in emeralds still down there. How he knows that is a question in my mind, but not that he threw emeralds into the sea and then get the likes of Paul Sullivan and other well heeled investors to throw away there money. But this is an interesting saga - Motivation will try to show the real handy that was in jail at the time of the $50,000 signing agreement with the Notary in real time attendance because the handyman was in jail. Thus to me Motivation is saying that the Notary is part and particle of the Fraud. Hold on hear - Was not the young man that worked for Motivation part of the Fraud in stealing emeralds from the Fishers and secretly giving them to Miscovich to throw into the ocean. What - Motivation was fully aware if anyone was the manner in which the ocean currents moved barrels so Motivation must of knew it could not of been Atocha emeralds because of the adverse location Miscovich discovered the emeralds. If anyone has an answer please help! Prove the Notary is part and particle of the Fraud.
If the team does show that there are more treasure related items on or beneath the sea floor then Fraud cannot be shown. What matters is that the Court finds that Miscovich has not been able to locate Mike at this time but has shown the Court that there is more then a high probably that more treasure is in the general area or beneath the ocean floor. Otherwise Miscovich is Ordered to pay the Legal fees and life goes on.