First you hire a negotiator, then you put an info package out, then you announce your LOI. Then a lawyer finds a bogus reason to nix the deal. .

Seriously, GMCC doesn't even seem to understand the basics of how a deal would be made to work, announcing first the outlines of a deal and then plans to hire negotiators and write a justification for the valuation. Don't be surprised if the dividend turns out to be shares in another company nobody has ever heard of.

Did anyone download the video when it was on-line last year? It's off-line. I would appreciate a copy.

And 4mr4 was right. It was drain cleaner, Aluminum and Lye. Excellent work on his part.

DPB5, no. Its false that elezard0 == elazardo.

You should check out the fantasy world over at:
quotes freerealtime com/dl/frt/C?IM=quotes&symbol=ARGY&type=MessageBoard

where all the UCSY bashers show up as ARGY boosters, including people (including worlfblitzer0) who have never heard of ARGY.

So what happened Bob?

That's a pretty great site. Also
The basics of magnets and wires for free energy buffs: http://phact.org/e/z/freewire.htm
History of perpetual motion machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
Krieg's $10k prize for 1.5kW perpetual motion: http://www.phact.org/e/freetest.html

i misunderstood your older post.

If you read more articles peswiki.com and you will get exposed to the doctrine of the multi-generational international conspiracy to suppress perpetual motion, anti-gravity, immortality, and time travel. Or just stick around here a while longer.

The thing about Bob's phone conversations with Gene is that they have Gene saying things that are not in the report Gene made for the record. And the errors are always in one direction. Strange.

The personal attack in response to a deleted (and now undeleted) post is formula cult nonsense.

Hey. Can we get rid of the photo?

It's a pain. Load it up on flickr or something and post a link.

That's not what Gene says in the report.

And if this is the "first attempt" you are talking about, the anomalous reading lasted seconds. A capacitor could already have been charged, maybe one Gene didn't even see. Anyway he doesn't say this reading is an initial reading, that no capacitors have charged, not even that no flywheels could have been "charged".

"""
The first was an unanticipated happening wherein we read the meters and
the ratio of output power to input power was greater than unity. This
phenomenon only lasted a few seconds. Then the efficiency slowly
dropped to about 70%.
"""

Bob, I have some bad news for you about humans. Ask them the same question two times and you will get different answers because memories fail. Age can make a person extremely inconsistent. Look first at what Gene wrote. If he says something different on the phone, let him know and ask him to check his notes.

Gene told me the opposite.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what he says in private conversations. What matters is what he recorded in his report.

"""
A third attempt was made wherein the capacitor bank was allowed to
charge fully before the load was applied. This took less than a minute. In
this attempt, the efficiency on connecting the load to the capacitor bank
was about 150%. It slowly degraded over a period of about 5 minutes to
unity, and then on down to 70%. When this test was repeated with an
adjustment to the output switch, testing was forced to a stop.
"""

So was the energy applied during the time the capacitor was charged up more or less than the energy during the 100%+ period that followed? Did the decay from 150% to 70% follow the pattern you would expect from a capacitor discharge? To answer either of these questions, one would need to see the readings of power over time, which Gene does not report. Why did he neglect to provide this data? Because the gizmo broke while he was using it.

The entire basis for optimism in this gizmo is based on it breaking.

Edited to add: This is a general rule. When money is involved, never believe anything that anyone says off the record.

Read the full report.
http://members.cox.net/john.lichtenstein/REMATNote1.pdf

Testing was stopped when the gizmo broke. Most of the time the gizmo was running, it produced less power than it consumed. Augustin was unable to rule out capacitor discharge or other ordinary explanations for the 100%+ efficient *transient* readings because the machine broke.

One good report would generate a lot of attention.

Gene has a good track record, but the report he wrote for GMCC was bad work. He had to stop his tests because the machine broke. I don't know why he wrote any report at all after that. But how much worse could things get for GMCC, that their one independent test was cut short because their gizmo broke?

Electrons don't get used up or absorbed.

Electrons leave one end of a circuit at one end at a higher potential and are sucked in at the other end at a lower potential. The potential difference is the "Voltage" of the power source. The rate at which current flows is the "Amps". One Amp is one Coulomb per second. Electrons are not absorbed by electric appliances, rather the appliances have potential drops and the electrons leave energy behind when they go through those drops on their way back to the power source.

This page is really pretty good and doesn't use calculus when it doesn't have to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_network

No closed loop. See Augustin's report.

Here is a more detailed report Gene wrote that might make you question the idea that there is a breakthrough here and should make it clear the don't have a product ready to market.

http://members.cox.net/john.lichtenstein/REMATNote1.pdf

This gizmo works only when plugged in. The extra power is found by measuring input and output and subtracting. But there are a lot of ways to make mistakes in measurement. Gene should have measured energy rather than power, since excess power can be shown just with capacitors, and he should have double checked his energy measurements by using some completely independent technique. I'm sure Gene knows this and probably would have done just that, if he not been forced to stop testing when the machine broke.

Edit: Added a "not" to the last line.

Generators use recycled electrons, not new ones. Generators pump electrons like an engine pumps transmission fluid. This isn't supposed to use up transmission fluid, and it really doesn't use up electrons.

I think you mean where does the potential come from. The electrons are already there, in the wire, and the generator just pushes them. Here is something you might want to try at home, since feeling something for yourself can be much more meaningful than seeing it or reading about it. Get a cheap little hand powered generator. Hook it up to a high resistance circuit (or even an open circuit) and turn it. Get a feeling for how hard it is to turn. Then hook it up to lower resistance circuits like small lightbulbs. Get a feeling for how hard it is to turn. Direct tactile experience will keep you from again wondering where generators get their umph from.

Red flag: Formula ad-hom. Part of any impossible technology cult.

Red flag: Formula ad-hom argument is part of any impossible technology cult.

"Intends to file" means "has not filed". Why not? What's the holdup? They have owned a stake in this "technology" for a while now. Waiting for an engraved invitation?

It sounds to me like your friend was trying to warn you and you just don't want to hear it.

Nope. I talked to Mr. Brace back when he challenged people to bet him $10k that the REMAC didn't work. I agreed and then he decided he didn't want to bet anymore. Once we figure out what the situation is with the OS and financials, I'll think about betting against him by shorting the stock.

I am interested in Gene because he obviously is capable of doing good work. But if you read his report, the full report, you will see it's not good work.

Hi Bob, about long patent pending process:

He also said though, that GMC Holding could string out the patent hearing process for up to 4 years, and protect the technology with a "patent pending" tag.

Real inventors want their patents and they want them right away. The patent office moves to slow for an inventor. When an inventor drags his feet on filing a patent, it's a red flag. The reason to drag an application out over 4 years is so that you can tell your investors a story while you have no real intention to start a business. I think that's what your friend was trying to tell you.

Has GMCC been able to tell you where they are in the process? Are they even intending to file, or are they expecting the inventors, the guys who can't balance a checkbook, to file for them?

Gene hasn't replied to my emails since July 2.

I think he might not be in the best health.

And pleads guilty:
http://www.10news.com/news/4793859/detail.html

Augistin's not a GMCC employee. Look for his contact info at tsa-orlando.com.

Patent process:

I suggest you ask for what stage they are in. Have they filed an application? A preliminary application? Have they picked a name out of the patent lawyers in the Orlando Yellow Pages? Ask someone to go on the record by name, so that when it turns out they were lying to you, investors in their next scam will be warned.

If they say they don't have protection yet, they most likely mean they haven't filed anything.

As long as the main owner of the technology can't afford $200 to stay in existence, it's hard to imagine that anyone is going to actually waste any money filing a patent.

I wonder what message 35 was, and why it was deleted.

ENHANCED TECHNOLOGIES INTERNATIONAL INC. registration is in default because they bounced a $200 check.

Nevada Secretary of State on-line at:
https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpSearch.aspx

Other John W Miller entities:
JOHN W MILLER President LEBLANC INC.
JOHN W MILLER Secretary AMERICAN BUSINESS SOLUTIONS, INC.
JOHN W MILLER President MILLER MANAGEMENT, INC.
JOHN W MILLER Director PACIFIC CAD DESIGN, INC.
JOHN W MILLER President JOHN MILLER EVENTS

Hydrogenerate founder extradited from Thailand:

William Lamar Woslum was arrested in Thailand for using a false passport and sent to San Diego where he faces trial for the 1993 molestation of a 6 year old girl. He has a previous conviction for a similar offense in Ventura County.
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/06/24/news/sandiego/19_59_326_23_05.txt

So what is EXMG anyway?

Does anyone hear from Worthen?

Anyone reconsidered the idea that burning Aluminum in water to extract Hydrogen is a sound way of getting fuel to a car, water heater, or whatever?

Is there any word from Worthen?

Is he a believer in the future powered by Aluminum or is he just taking over the ticker to use for some other operation?

What's the new company all about?

Is there any relationship to HYVR or intention to market the "invention"? Who are these people?

Response to the patent app:

I'm interested in the response to the patent app. Reading it, I see a machine for converting dollars to dimes. The chemistry is spelled out, and it's easy to see that it's mostly waste heat produced, and that the "by-product" is not rare or expensive. But what do the investors see?

My theory is that investor reaction to the patent application would have been negative, and that, HYVR, anticipating this, pulled its patent applications to keep them from the investors. Reading the patent now, can anyone think of any better reason than this to pull all the patent apps from before 2003-04, that the invention is old hat?

Patent application published. Looks like it's all over.

1 - They neglected to pull their patent application, and it published. The fuel is Aluminum or Magnesium. Application number 20040205997. (Someone else caught that for me.)
2 - The website has been down for months.
3 - Nevada no longer has 2 listings for them. The one listing it does have is the older one that was listed as MD (Merged Dissolved).

The investors ought to read the patent application. i wonder if anyone would have invested in the company if they had been able to see the patent app.

The website is back down again.

They stopped making SEC filings. They haven't yet notified Nevada of their change of officers and delinquent with their registration fees. (See http://sos.state.nv.us/corpsrch.asp) They have been in default on a $10k note for years. Think about what bad shape you need to be in that you would rather report that you are in default on a loan than make good on a $10k obligation.

Remember when they filed (for the nth time) for their first patent?
http://www.forrelease.com/D20030416/sfw101.P1.04162003174125.25368.html

Shouldn't the application be visible now? It's not. Because they never did file that patent application. And rather than clarify that, they stopped filing reports with the SEC.

In a year, their DNS registration will expire. In less than a year, Nevada ought to dissolve them. And the die-hards will still think that the technology was some great achievement that was managed badly, rather than a highschool chem experiment gone public.

Website back up.

Who contacted the nursery? I emailed them and didn't hear back. It's hard to call during business hours since they are in the same timezone as me. Can someone get an update? Also, please ask what they are expecting to pay for heat once they have the device, compared to what they pay now, 10%? 1,000%?

Website down today. Anyone called nursery?

It's about time I would expect that the nursery would have been told what the systems going to cost them, supposing there was an effort to cost it out to them. Anyone called the nursery for an update? If not, I will.

The website is down today. There isn't a lot of time left.

The by-product isn't worth much.

The company estimated in a filing in September that it would decrease the cost of the H2 by up to 25%. This doesn't change the fact their H2 is way too expensive.

A HYVR clone company started last year says that one of the uses of the byproduct is a soil treatment. So maybe that's why the nursery was targeted.

Dry fuels should ship and store better.

Liquid ones will be easier to control.

They key is that it's difficult to overcome a factor of 10 disadvantage in cost. For an energy application, you can't. For an educational lab, maybe you can. So why is HYVR going after lumberyards and nurseries when there is a proven market willing to pay more than 6 cents per cuft in educational labs? (I suspect there is a reason.)

An educational lab is going to pay a lot more for chemicals than an energy consumer.

The question is why HYVR always focused on high energy applications, not ed labs.

Propane vs H2 is liquids vs solids.

A gallon of propane is a pressurized liquid gallon. See:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/non-renewable/propane.html

Sorry for the "energy ant", but I've had no coffee yet and the doe.gov/kids/ pages were my reading level.

If everyone used metric, this wouldn't take so many conversion factors.
1 cuft = 7.5 gallons
1 gal liquid propane = 270 gal vapor at stp (room temp and pressure)

So 1 gal propane liquid = 36 cuft propane at stp

So the equivalent cost for the propane is 4.5 cents per cuft.

So if H2 and propane packed the same punch, that would make the H2 at 6 cents per cuft only a little (30%) more expensive than the propane. But propane packs a lot more punch.
heat of combustion of propane = 2200 kJ/mol
Heat of combustion of hydrogen = 285kJ/mole

The propane has 7.7X the energy of hydrogen per mole, and so per cuft at stp. So you need 46.2 cents worth of HERI Hydrogen to compare to 4.5 cents worth of propane.

This is pretty much the same as what we came up with when we went through the electrolysis comparison. If you want to compare to other methods of getting Hydrogen, this is 5X as expensive, to other methods of getting energy, 10X.