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Hi DeaconY.
I would say that me and hundreds of other posters on this board also believed that your particular phrase 'iconic' fitted the product that LEI was involved with... even including CACI in my honest opinion.
It was not my place to discuss pricing under my Non Disclosure Agreement signed on behalf of my company despite having that information that related to the only quote I was offered.
My loyalty had to be with LEI while all the ins and outs and negotiations were taking place over the years.
Regardless of that I still wouldn't have discussed official pricing or other business.
I now believe that latter days events have released me from my NDA
The "ADMIT" (sounds like a guilt) that you mention obviously is in the wrong context as I'm sure you will now agree.
LEI relied on my loyalty as a CEO during those years.
In case LEI acts like a Phoenix from the ashes LNGT investors will still be watching and ready to fight their investment corner I'm sure. Happy Easter and 2015.
Check out the facts and common sense 'dazedumconfused'.
'pumper' I'm not. As a recognised UK citizen in my own sphere of Security... and after dealing directly with the CEO, Mike Little, Paul, and others, after their UK Display which led me to setting up the framework of UK distribution on behalf of Laser Energetics and their products, receiving a quote from LEI for a nominal five Dazers, which.. at a cost to me of $15,000+ EACH I declined... (my NDA is cancelled by events now).
It's illegal for me to buy LNGT as an openly proclaimed UK resident Englishman. I was happy with my potential role within LEI.
I can assure you that your assumptions that I deal in LNGT buying or selling is totally incorrect and typical of your guesswork to enable you to keep digging uninspired holes on this board.
I still come on board at odd times to see what is happening with what I considered to be an amazing product and security opportunity, more out of nostalgia than vested interest. I still have a framed picture of a Dazer on my office wall to remind me of what might have been for me and so many good investors on this board.
The time has surely come to let the legal machinations, if any?, to take its course and this board to talk of what might have been without any more 'I told you so' rancour or bitterness.
Surely we can all move on to the next dream... Be safe all.
Chingooow observes my comment accurately. The Dazer will always be an iconic product in the minds of so many members who post on this blog.
Obviously being in Britain I'm aware of the extra interest that would be shown by the British Police to the Dazer.. IMHO.. even though only a small specialised annually trained 'handful' in each area would have access to its use under strict control as currently strictly applies to any type of similar 'hand held weapon' Dazer will follow the same pattern.
The vast majority of Police will not get to use the Dazer product if they ever became available in the UK.
Diversify into prisons or security situations?... without doubt.
My expertise in the potential distribution of Dazer/Guardian, etc. in the UK is what made the link to LEI and my company under an NDA and a product quote.
Faith is the ability to believe something before it happens.
Even at this late stage I will always have faith and believe that the product we all invest in of our time and money will come good given a chance.
Nice to return and see the Dazer interest maintained plus good to see the old school still affording the accurate input.. Hope all you guys are well.
I've spent an hour catching up on some of the posts.
On the Taser/Dazer death comment here is my answer:
Don't laugh at the petrol !!
http://thejusticegap.com/2014/03/shocking-britain-controversial-roll-taser/
My Dazer Laser role was having official business based on potential UK distribution... plus recipient of a Dazer Laser sales quote afforded to my company, under NDA agreement, of LEI current costs of all components making up an official order, plus training.
I was afforded the courtesy from many LNGT posters as we all followed and pushed the path of the product and investments ups and downs in which we all had a common interest. Dazer Laser.
I did my best to build the benefits of Dazer in my postings or my UK actions.
I feel my time with LNGT is now best come to an end and I will wish all people I know on here the very best of luck in all they do as I've moved on to a new 2 year contract in my field of Event Security and Close Protection where the Dazer Laser is desperately needed.
I leave behind a great bunch of investors capable of fighting any common cause.
I still believe the product excelled all others and will still wave the Dazer Laser flag wherever I am in Europe. I have a framed picture of a Guardian on my office wall.
This is merely an opportune close to all my American investor friends from many years.
The only thing I know about Shares is she used to sing with Sonny. Be safe nice and take care.
LNGT has never proven the dazer works because they have never ever manufactured them to test... EVER!!!!!!!!!
I posted emails and phones have been sent and either returned or disconnected. You now verify that as well
I will add my limited input to the missing? LEI company saga.
I have 7 phone numbers into LEI, 4 email addy's, 2 Fax, from my NDA based involvement reference the UK.
They link from Mike Little (the only one to leave a message that was quickly negated by a female robot saying that 'this voicemail is full'), onto Paul Marturano, Mike Levine, up to Ryan Battis.
All the numbers rang continuously and were not answered.
This is the current today dated home moving banner containing 'Marine contract', 'FDA', 'CACI', which no poster has yet been able to prove in writing is obsolete or false or cancelled, or not. Perhaps there is that written evidence now?.
http://www.laserenergetics.com/ (compliments from Bloomberg today)
The emails and Fax remain unanswered after 48 hours.
I only know one close friend in New York, who I would believe, to tell me if LEI was Open or Closed. Watch this space.
Here is another dated link for those who have never heard him:
There is always the democratic process where those who invested to hopefully realise a profit have a quiet opinion as to the merits of their actions and perceived merits of the product.
Balance that with those who see their perceived side and feel it is incubant on them to warn against investment for reasons not made totally clear or arguments that lack evidence for investors to base sufficient opinions on.
A point in subjectivity that I had a problem with could be:
This is a high risk penny stock run by a con man who has lied his way into all of our pockets
Which reinforces my point exactly...
While we wait for the fat lady we have the choice as believers in DazerLaser to stay, or if something is disturbing us we can always bid a sad farewell without needless animosity to the company or anyone.IMHO.
I say that without reference to any members of the board for or against. References to negative advice in context is as important as positive comments.
As a Board we live here in adversity with our DazerLaser.. some see it worthwhile... others see it as extinct now. That is the true meaning of democracy inbuilt within the US of A beliefs.
Nobody really knows until the ‘fat lady sings’ so we can all only really wait or guess or assume.
Positive attitudes far outweigh with the investors who put their money where their mouth is and have a sensible calculated vision... while others can come to the Board in an attempt to share their vested interest and decry the DazerLaser IMHO.
So be it. The very principle of Democracy on this Board..
I am an adopted American by friends and USA colleagues, with deep pride. My heart lives in America... together with the belief of the principles of DazerLaser. (Security & Electronic background).
I will still promote the DazerLaser in the UK where I live, as I’ve started, in any way I can, with LEI’s approval, but I’m nothing to do with LEI. I just share their vision and belief.
In mid 2014 I will be dazed in the USA & join others on this iH Board who have gone before me.
Like you 10times7 ... I was also impressed by the Ryan stand giving a perception opportunity of lethal and non lethal weapons... and how the non lethal weapons are forcing themselves into the world markets to eliminate the lethal side... well spotted...
LEI are to be applauded being a part of a safer future, but in my honest opinion I feel that the thousands of International and local delegates & investors who attend these Shows all around the world would not get the impression of being in such a place as a ‘killing booth’ surely? It has to be the opposite.
A non lethal future is far from a 'killing booth' scenario.
I’m sure General Dynamics would not have designed for that. IMHO.
Could it be that, unfortunately, current diverse comments that are seen as valuable by many are then needed to be expanded, clarified, etc.. to continue the thread to conclusion without confusion to ensure ongoing information is carried forward accurately.
I quote the ‘Flashlight format’ and ‘torch’ example?
New investors coming on to the board haven’t had too much luxury of seeing back into the past and need guidance and honest facts from those best able to inform with rapport after many years.
I suggest the past of LNGT and LEI is an integral part of investing currently and into the future and cannot be ignored?
I will still have belief in the product I was introduced to by the increasing past present details from this board, and my open tolerant topic mind not influenced by filibuster external events.
It's good to see that well written accurate précis review again from a couple of years ago. Thank you Chingooow.
We should also remember all the many photo'd range testings that took place with many competitor attendees and potential interested, etc.. (CACI?) where the conclusive weight of evidence of success was firmly in the results gained by 'DazerLaser'.
This wasn’t achieved by accident.
Add this to the TV News bites where live 'dazing' by DazerLaser results seemed to be obligatory for the viewers and we clearly see the strong emergence of a serious non lethal laser product from LEI.
The genuine vision and activities of the company were beyond doubt.
This in direct contrast to several recent vague words where 'Pistol format’ and Flashlight format’ nomenclature describing image shapes of the 2 types has been mistaken for a common or garden torch?
I trust I’ve now made that vagueness clear. (I hope)
Having just posted about pricing I'm going to look like a right turkey if the DazerLaser price is already known.
Broad shoulders and all that.... lol pleading I didn't know!
Do you have a record of the DazerLaser price or an official reference to it for the boards perusal Stickershock?
Thanks in advance.
One of the myths that has been bandied around and spoke of in past posts on this board is the comparisons of pricing surrounding the DazerLaser. Too expensive? Too cheap? Costs of adding further parts to the DazerLaser to satisfy the FDA strict requirements? Discounts?.. and so on.
Costs of competitors products are part of public knowledge so the DazerLaser is a cost conundrum that can be discussed, distorted, maligned, praised and so on until our products cost is officially revealed in its shining glory by LEI to the world.
Many to whom the Sales team have gone to, or the quotations have gone to, will have a good idea already. That will have occurred without doubt.
Equally it’s difficult to hold the DazerLaser to subjective comparisons regarding cost without knowing what its cost is or comparison reviews are. Only a fool would attempt the impossible and the investors are not fools on this board.
I would presume that most posters on here believe in their heart that the DazerLaser is worthy of a more sensible cost from all the information abounding as opposed to, for example, an ordinary bog standard flashlight.
Having probably been closer than many to the company through a chance approach, and studied all the writings you have all studied, I have no doubt as to the perceived value of our product in my head.
One thing I like about this LNGT iH forum is the diverse comments, in topic, for or against topic comments that have been submitted over the years. I have learnt much about the ‘DazerLaser’, etc so value the real comments I read on here that inform and help me in my own personal UK activities on behalf of the DazerLaser.
I feel I can also make a valid post contribution as a result.
While comments are offered to topic and not to promote other peoples products or digress with our own personal acid then I maintain a keen interest in the happenings of what I consider to be a very worthwhile Laser solution by LEI to many problems. This is what we’ve all invested in...
I’m sure many investors have lost interest and departed without rancour, as is correct.. while many more new investors have arrived to add to the debate with new thoughts and a new hope. Certainly of benefit to all loyal investors whose opinions have been offered over the years, going forward.
The way of the world of moderated democratic forums. IMHO.
My only interest is seeing the success of the 'DazerLaser' and its valid official legal use in the world of its choosing. I follow the path of many on here.
I welcome all for/against postings to achieve this end... and to my added knowledge.
Anything else out of topic I simply ignore, as is my right as a poster on this board, without malice.
I wish every success to ‘DazerLaser’ and its investors in 2014 going forward.
Following all the posts for the last several years from the UK as I have, and my own activities with LEI managers...
I still believe the creed of true LNGT investors that faith is the ability to believe something before it really happens.
Sensible investment in LNGT negates any risk or the concerns of those who are concerned with/or discussing a fail might happen.
Happy Successful 2014 from this involved UK buddy to all LNGT posters and investors.
Given the time scales involved and the contents of the link attached:...ref: DeafChild post
(which I will accept as accurate and bona fide IMHO)
... how did CACI get publicly involved, ultimately giving a boost to the aspirations and subsequent actions of the investors?
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2012/ucm341876.htm
I’m under no doubt that LEI are in the market to sell this excellent product.
I’ve seen the company operate and negotiate real time as you would expect them to.
(under an NDA). They’re not in it for a laugh.
I get the impression that there are some words that drop on here to leave the water muddied as to LEI’s ultimate intention and I find it hard to understand why in simple terms. Competitors?
Just look back and see what they have achieved to get this far with a product that we accept far outweighs the quality of the oppositions product.
To me I see the water as clear but there is an unseen continual undertow happening that is preventing that final wave of success that all the investors are waiting for. IMHO.
An LNGT investors faith is the ability to believe something good will happen before it actually does.
Ya puts your money in, crosses ya fingers with blind faith and belief that it will come good ...or you remove ya money and move on to the next rainbow. Simple as that, surely?
.... ps... do I get an invite to the Mai Tais festivities when the time comes? Heck of a way to come... but worth the celebration and success !! Will I get dazed on them? ::grins::
A bit of mood break fresh air..
I was first introduced to the product and company in 2007 and this Board in 2009.
I'm from a frontline international Security career plus a background in electronics and distribution, etc. with my own company.
I contacted LEI in 2011 and spent many months in consultation under a NDA for the open ended benefit of LEI and the UK.
Of obvious future benefit to Shareholders.
With my experience and history in both fields I have NO doubt that LEI are on a positive line forward and that the product will eventually take its rightful place in this world wide venture.
The faith of Genuine Shareholders will not be wasted IMHO.
The Board is not that important in the big scheme of things. The success and belief of positive mental attitude Shareholders is.
ps...I've heard nearly nothing from the UK Government to date, merely communication guide lines protocol. My belief is total.
Star Wars KC? !!
How long does big Bob intend to Klingon for !!
Following on the current thread that is basically saying that the LEI product is more expensive than other oranges or apples similar to the LEI banana poses a question in my mind.
Surely CACI did their pre-homework and despite the apparent 'higher cost' found enough of interest to team up with LEI with a view to progressing future orders in suitable markets, etc. based on the quality and effectiveness of our more expensive safer banana?
There must have been some serious attraction otherwise CACI would have teamed up with the current contractors? No?.
I thought that was a very reasonable Founders Message KC.
We seem to campaign and tub thump for information then in some cases kill the messenger stone dead when they comply instead of assimilating the flow of the logic they have shown and trust the input of info from LEI continues more regular.
All your points are absolutely correct Nocandowillu.
I used to squeeze every discount cent out of major distributors like RS and Farnell, etc.. to force my customers competitive overheads down.
Add that to a superb product and LNGT investors have a great future to look forward to.
All my instincts point towards that outcome.
I would imagine KC, that loyalty to the LEI NDA correctly maintains information of this nature.
It is fair to say that the product is either a load of rubbish not fit for purpose?.... (CACI just fainted!) .. or it is highly overpriced?
A common denominator was all I was discussing while we watch this unusual story unfold.
I cannot believe in any way whatsoever this product is rubbish.. based on everything we know... therefore... logic rules.
If the price was right it would be sailing off the conveyor belts across America regardless of any recession. That's reality.
I used to own an approved top line electronic component company.
I've finished my letter to Prime Minister Cameron. I will leave it alone for the weekend, look at it with a fresh edit mind on Monday, then post it recorded delivery. The reply will be interesting.
Be safe this weekend and enjoy. ps... I NEVER bs.
Apologies for my last bold post.
A fire has started in the UK with several bodies jumping on the bandwagon and fanning the flames following the death of a 23yr old man after being tasered a few days ago.
They now realise that the Taser is 'barbaric' and lethal and needs to be replaced by more current safer technology.
Many countries data are shown to prove the point.
I'm going to write a letter to the Prime Minister David Cameron extoling the virtues of the LEI Guardian Dazer Laser that is currently in the UK undergoing testing as the safest non-lethal weapon in the world.
I've got it in my mind to start a petition? If 100,000 names are collected it gives passageway to be submitted to the Parliament for a reading in the House of Commons. All to be confirmed.
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2013/07/the-home-office-needs-to-come-clean-about-taser-deaths/
Not necessarily impossible to know KC. There is no doubt in investors’ minds, and many others, that the Dazer is an awesome piece of equipment that would solve so many situations safely. Reading the specs and approvals, etc. leaves no doubt. As The Monkeys would say... "I'm a Believer"
One item of my companies portfolio was to put the UK through a ""hello UK, this is the user friendly lazer for a safer future"" campaign using the internet and laser search engines.
The feasability study of all known facts last year prompted a delay despite my total enthusiasm.
But the point you make KC (auto adjust [ghost]) is another recently arrived costing addition no matter how effective and useful and attractive.
Rolls Royce V Ford analogy for investors??
My point is a sensible exploratory meander into why this no doubt proven world changing item is not getting sufficient attention no matter who touches it, right from the first SWAT video introduction, over the years, to current ‘orders’?
I don’t doubt many ‘insiders’ who are bound by NDA, as I am, have their own opinion on this discussion to explore why the Dazer is not yet able to kerching the tills of the world.
I seem to have no problem finding the cost of many competitors products that are currently filling and taking the market.
Perhaps the LEI CEO could have a mini yard sale to see if that promoted more interest.
With the random 'orders' over time that seem to take place, then no apparant interest following, I still have that strong feeling that the common denominator is the Dazer package price versus the competition.
Makes me wonder if it's priced higher because of it's exclusive benefits... higher than customers are able to rise to in this current cut back time. IMHO.
History of Sales and Orders.
Following my to date failed attempts to tease LEI activities from UK sources and “we will contact you” from MP minister.... plus no response to my emails and phones to ex? UK distributor AirTrace, I’m at a brick wall?... when the going gets tough, etc...
So I leave you with a total LEI actual recorded history of Orders and Sales over the years.
01/15/2010 10:00AM PRNUS Laser Energetics Receives Order for Dazer Laser(TM) Light Fighting Technologies. Ohio Distributor.
08/10/2010 3:18PM GLOBE Laser Energetics Sells Dazer Lasers(R) to Israel
12/06/2010 11:26AM GLOBE Laser Energetics Sells Dazer Lasers(R) to Palm Bay, Florida
05/26/2011 10:30AM GLOBE Laser Energetics Sells Dazer Laser(R) to Mexico
07/13/2011 9:00AM GLOBE Laser Energetics Receives Order for Dazer Laser(R) GUARDIANS. M.E.R.I.T. Inc.
07/12/2012 10:19AM MWUS Laser Energetics Signs Japanese Distributor and Receives Initial Order
09/20/2012 8:30AM MWUS Laser Energetics Signs India Distributor and Receives Initial Order
10/10/2012 8:47AM MWUS Laser Energetics Signs French Distributor and Receives Initial Order
11/20/2012 9:06AM MWUS Laser Energetics Receives Dazer Laser Order From the Country of Jordan
02/20/2013 9:39AM MWUS Laser Energetics Receives Order for Dazer Laser(R) GUARDIANs From the United Kingdom
04/22/2013 9:30AM MWUS Laser Energetics Receives International Order for Dazer Laser(R) GUARDIANs. Saudi Arabia.
FROM LITTLE ACORNS?
I've spent some time trying to track down the latest testing of LEI Guardian products in the UK. using long standing contacts, etc. Not a jot or iota of any clue or news or activity yet.
Next step is Member of Parliament level.
The UK's 'sole LEI distributor'? AirTrace new website decides to miss out on any mention of LEI's products in any shape or form to date? A phone call is in order.
""Airtrace's brand new Website goes Live:""
Date: June, 2012 Associated Links: Airtrace
Airtrace has updated its website with a brand new look, encompassing full HTML, Javascript, PHP and jQuery aspects.
Airtrace's new website now boasts a new user and search engine friendly interface, including such devices as the 'Datasheet Selector' to enable users to enjoy their experience online with Airtrace as well as providing more direct product information to interested parties.
You've said this before and were corrected. I believe the price to be in 3K range
lol Bullrider... sneaky...
Given the current production posts on the board my post was somewhat tongue in cheek USAF Vet.. but, generally, I am aware, through UK national outlets, that the UK is carrying out stringent operations to fine tune their systems to avoid unnecessary financial waste, etc. given the current climate over here, amongst other directions. As the whole world is.
How that will be defined reference yours and many other situations internationally is in the melting pot of a very active Government.However long they will last
In other words I have not the foggiest or privy to an answer, plus under a NDA, but will keep my ear to the ground. It is relative to my own daily activities and commitments.
You guys over there really need to get the production sorted out !! The UK is ready with a total distribution network plan as soon as the first plane lands!! We don't hang around over here ..
(mild satisfied grin..) We're already working on DistribEuro.
(.. 'nother grin)
Interesting thought.
Since the Palm Beach PD didn't actually buy any after their test is it safe to assume they didn't like it, or was it just too expensive for the technical value it delivered?
USA defence budget that is...
Been watching President Obama on UK news. Any comments on that can of worms? I see the Defence budget guys are worried?
Hi Ironguts. That is a negative. I know of them through UK research, but no relationship in any way.
It will be nice to think that something big will happen before Apr 1st but I guess all that is in the hands of others. I will keep a watching brief and slide back into my UK turret corner. .