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Madhatter, so let's jump over most of the comments. Sorry you are in the deep water with many others of us. I'll just agree that I've never seen a product that I feel was very marketable/saleable that in turn was so poorly sold and I've told them so. If the sales side ever got fixed properly then I think we'd all have a different list of bitches but be a lot happier.
zagdad
Madhatter, still not answering the questions and pointing to Moron's post was useless. Your post is the typical of the non-holding basher with not much to-do unless our response's earns you a quarter here and there.
zagdad
DMWinGA. thanks,zagdad EOM
Shamu, well let'sd see, now you delete posts after 24 hours. Why not take all of F&Gs off - a general delete would probably be the best and most useful. Keep deleting as you do, discriminately and there will be few members. Oh maybe the operator of this Investorhub should take note - he likely has a different agenda than you do. Maybe wants to have a successful business.
zagdad
Frankie, have at it. I have enough PM from you on BLPT alone to enjoy what ever adventure you want to embark on!
And the autographed picture I requested? In the mail?
zagdad
bigbizz, I won't waste any more time on F&G except to say I started out as a blind (my bad!) disciple of his words in thew hot market and got burned, with many others, with his corrupt actions and attitude in a number of situations outside of SEVU. You'd have him over for dinner? Pleeeease!!
I've learned the hard way that there is nothing redeemable with Francois IMO.
Just couldn't resist the comments when I read of Anthony getting his due and then read another apparent reversal here by F&G. Joke... I certainly won't ever be a follower of his again (or his clones) - not trustworthy - something old fashion to me.
Not that I think great things have happened with the business todate at SEVU but I'm hopeful they will get some direction before dilution and time wipes out our future as long investors - not traders. I got in as an investment - obviously would like to have the day we bounced of the high 20's back!!
To more good days in the future,
zagdad
F&G, hmmm, looks like the start of a trail of contrite messages on your part to build a defense with or at least to beg for a lesser sentence. Let's see - this must be about face number ?? - guess that means you are now in again long and ready to ride this puppy until you get out and begin bashing again?? What a guy. I still have not received the autographed picture of you that I requested a few months a go when we all got a chance to know you better including that scintilating post office picture!
Maybe you can attract Anthony's few followers while you are still around as they will look for leadership and guidance.
zagdad
F&G, dammm, I thought your dingy had met mis-fortune but your still lurking...maybe you should go help the folks at BLPT where your loaded your followers and then pulled the plug..ops, sorry history...
zagdad
moron, well I feel it is good for Francie to be able to either confirm the information, and particularily the picture, through quiet acceptance (which I would expect) or to take the opportunity once and for all to counter any discrepancies point by point with verifiable information, links, and proof. I know we all look forward to having a correct view of his past and anticipating his likely future.
A good day to all,
zagdad
Frankie, you are a perpetual loser in all aspects. Take a hike ...one way and forever.
zagdad
gotinearly, got to feel like the guys who are inside doing the work believe in the chances of success. Some times it takes time to turn the ship around. To me the effort or lack of effort on the sales/sales management side is the concern. Dang, I nominate Dandy Dan the Diver for VP of sales if they are looking - and if they aren't looking, they should be....
I think I could sell this out in front of Costco with a card table and a sample!
zagdad
Nice work Dan. And thanks for sharing with us.
zagdad
Dan, another great idea for sales, which given how things appear at times would be a good boost. The sales department at SEVU must be the weakest in history given the times we are in and the product we seem to have... I'd like to run that department for about a quarter ....
OT - Patagonia and the penquins were great; soccer and more georgeous women than I could count in Rio were a nice add and end to the trip. Would have hoped that this rocket would have taken off by the time I returned (before Xmas) but alas...
Have a great 2002, zagdad
gotin, thanks for the number and update.
zagdad
End of last week a inquiry of the firm that should know what the current count of OS shares (restricted and non restricted) vs. authorized yielded larger numbers than expected. Subsequently there were posts that suggested that the firm was going to check their numbers as there was some questions as to the validity and confirm the numbers ASAP. Any word from them? Anybody get feedback from SEVU as to the real numbers at this moment? Anybody working on either?
Hard to see how the OS could have doubled when the 18M number as of 3/31/01 plus 7M on the PP plus probably minor additions would still yield something in the 25M plus area.
Thanks, zagdad
Diverdan, thanks for the digging and providing us an easy "click" to see the speading of the Seaview story and promotion. Hope it leads to sales and in store distribution rapidly - "mo" is a good guy to have on one's side!!
OT - Thanks for the "computer down" note.
zagdad
Moron, had the same question in my mind after I saw the post by Shamus, our chairman (!), suggesting that the IHUB site was dead, closed, etc. Not too gracious an RB post! I notice that the intro to this site has not been rebuilt as promised by him after the tear down of the previous info. And now Shamus is attributed to "starting", not chairing, the site.
I think Frankie's ability to spin words, mislead, and never address anything but his own mission must have had an educational effect on some of his early support team.
Looking for positive SEVU news soon. With all the security needs in so many segments of the world, I really believe that if we can build it, they will come - and not one parking lot at a time!!
Go Mariners -long shot at best at this point but an All West might make the cause the hosting media to be a good short based on the lack of East Coast interest!!
zagdad
DiverDan, bingo, well said.
Zagdad
jeez you did wake him! Dang....
z
gotinearly, shhhhhhhhh , please don't wake the sleeping giant.
Frankie has probably gone on to greener ground. Notice as the door slammed behind him, the price started for higher ground.
Maybe he's covering his shorts.....
zagdad
My thoughts and prayers for Rich's family, friends, and supporters. Your creativity, ingenuity, and spirit will be missed by many. Earthly remembrances are often important to your loved ones left behind for generations to come. Let's hope and pray that one of your principle life works, SEVU, flourishes and brings you the high acclaim and positive reputation that you sought and many of us believed in.
Rich, I never met you personally but from your posts, etc. I would bet that you would look for your loved ones to get together for an Irish style wake, with a toast and a dance to the road ahead! I hope you'll continue to help us from your vantage point on high!
zagdad
F&G, please don't do a 180 (again, yet) and post Dan and Bob's reports on the show and the SEVU products on all the other Boards you brag about delivering "your messages" to until all of us who care top off the truck load with a few more shares.
Hope you and your henchmen have fun trying to find the negatives in their reports tomorrow.....
zagdad
Dan and Bob, thanks much for the effort and excellent report for those of us who care. Dan, I have an offline question; would you either point me to your email address or send it to me at gmp@pobox.com.
Thanks again,
zagdad
Matt, the Q&A is a joke in many ways. Your point of moving on is a must because if this same pattern of personal attack of a SEVU employee continues the IH will lose all those who have a real interest in participating in the Board - the long share holders. They are already headed for the exist it appears.
So let's look at the rapidly growing F&G support team - yep, all admitted non-shareholders with the exception of F&G, who with his attitude and destructive manner towards SEVU is either not a shareholder or needs hospitalization. When the current storm quiets and all the longs are on the sidelines sick of the travese then the bashers will move to the next target and you will have a ghost town at IH.
Rich, please don't continue to play this game with the detractors as they aren't even looking for info or answers but ignore anything logical and valid to just move on with a different spin or a new slant on the old. Let the suits commence and lets see the results at the end - no explanation is going to help at this point. F&G has already pledged to sink the ship on every venue he can post, although most should either remeber him from the past or quickly see his goals.
There is a myrid of marketplaces available today and if we can today build a quality product for a reasonable price they will come and buy it. So I trust that the future is as you depict it - if it is we will all profit handsomely and enjoy the last laugh. I'm at the point to encourage you to set up a email exchance of non insider info for those who support you and care about the company. If we continue to be sold on the future of SEVU we will generate more substantial new shareholders than this Board is going to span in any case.
MATT - if you are reading still or at all I will ask again whether you have a plan to give us a 'ignore" option ?? - It might be the only way you can save the Board for regulars. If you want to send me a personnal note use gmp@pobox.com.
Rich, I'd love to get you thoughts on the email avenue to share ideas - my address is above. What do other regular longs think of this idea? Most of us moved here to excape this on RB. And to follow Frankie - what a mistake ....
Only good news I see at the moment is the lower prices we might et so we can top off the loaded trucks
I'm likely headed for the sidelines.
zagdad
Cabos...F&G's credibility ?? LMFAO...zagdad
Shamus, Rich, a ray of sunshine with the new coalition. Great day to drop the personnal and get on with the company's business info, etc. A new page - dang, whooooppppeeee!
Bring on the good times!!!
zagdad
F&G, glad to hear you do not intend to try and sink SEVU and we long shareholders, although I would remind you that actions speak louder than words. As has been stated by most on the Board, the recent PP has stirred interest in the details and in the hope that the amount of shares used is limited to what is necessary for either $$ and or internal incentives. And of course under rules that get the desired $$ in hand and put restrictions on the stock for some reasonable period.
Like any investor (particularily one who entered in the $2s) I'm concerned about unnecesary dilution. Maybe if you quit kicking them in the shins, we might get better corporate attention. Rich and you can use your emails for the rest of your personal needs.
zagdad
F&G, if you need a target that would be satisfying to all and restore your image, nail bin Laden or any of his close friends. Knock off trying to ruin my retirement and my kids college education by personally sinking SEVU - it's not American!
Nite, nite, zagdad
Frankie, Frankie, I guess this quote from your post outlines your objectives for SEVU - hmmm, interesting tact for a SEVU long as you profess to be. Could you let all of the Board know the day before you liquidate? I think we deserve the fore warning..
"There may not be a SEVU left, when your illegal PP's in 1999 and 2000 are dealt with either..." F&G
opps, forgot to sit on my hands...
Can we get back to products, sales, opportunities, lower costs driven by the weak economy, world emphasis on security ......??
zagdad
Matt, will do, thanks for the response - now how about the ignore option? gmp@pobox.com would work if you'd like to go off line - I would but I haven't paid attention to your link.
Hope for your sake this board settles down an provides the benefits that most of us felt were non-existent on RB as they lost any semblance of usefulness when the bashers decided to earn their $$.
zagdad
F&G, your interpretation as to my meaning is incorrect. Maybe that is the same problem you have with many instances your conjecture. I meant that you bailed out in some cases by just abandoning conversation, a position, etc. after hyping a stock strongly in some cases I personally commited to. Did you ever own, short, sell, act as a PR man on any deal - how would anyone know. I'm just reminding you of previous disappointing behavior. Do you need a list of a few? It's been consistent behavior, in retrospect, to your time here on SEVU - difference being an very active 180 turn. I could even get into emails hyping purchase of an Chinese related offering which became a disaster within hours.
The point of my response is to remind you that your evaluation of a comment might be tainted at times, even when it should have been close to home for you - like there is anyone who would even consider that any of us know with any certainty what others really do. Weak point to raise. But noticed that sentences with question marks are usually ducked.
Most of my time spent to post to you is out of frustration at the constant spamming of the same points, most on a personal basis, hoping you would learn from the perception of others that maybe you should alter your style and regain a tad of respect in time. But looks hopeless and I'll try to bite my tongue and stay off the keyboard more often.
I'LL ALSO ASK MATT WHEN WE CAN HOPE FOR AN IGNORE FUNCTION?? HAVE ASKED MANY TIMES WITH NO RESPONSE. I'll take the answer of line if that is best.
zagdad
Francois,
Well this morning posts by you only prove the point that most of the rational shareholders on this board have realized for months - you are just out to sink SEVU, not help fix it, a noble activity for a 'long time supporter and a current stockholder' - long we assumed but who knows any more!
Since none of us are in need of your constant regurgitation of the same issues, accusations, speculation, and guesses, I hope you take your show on the road for an extended period of time. Just come back after you win your lawsuits and tell us you told us so.
If many of us were to reaccount the salesmanship/promotion you performed on a myriad of other stocks over the past few years and then just bailed out leaving many holding the bag we could make you look pretty weak and unprofessional to say the least. Do you need a list? But we don't - we are here as shareholders/builders of SEVU, not a demolition crew. Doesn't mean we are to avoid concerns, consider the negatives but if every day/every aspect is dismal why hang around - sell.
I hope this is not, in your mind, the only and/or the best investment you have found with your full time efforts - maybe for those who want to abandon ship with you, you could OT some of the better alternatives you've found?
Enjoy your walk, take your time.
zagdad
Gotin..,
Re: Shamus - a board run by detractors won't be of interest for very long. Can't remember the last SEVU positive, "the glass is half full", post by him. Is he even a stockholder? A supporter of F&G and most of his 2001 antics for sure. If this doesn't get better soon we ought to look for a new location to have useful, positive discussions about the company and its products, etc. Very few new investors will find IH at this point in any case - I certainly would not direct anyone here at this point - so it is only the faithful that have to wade through the personal junk posted day after day. Hopefully I'm not on the right page relative to Shamus but .....
JMHO, zagdad
Dan, good post, well said. Your last post reminds me that I have always seen adult home-in-the-still-of-the night entertainment as a huge potential market - AFTER, of course, we supply commercial and residence security, every major shopping center, worldwide government usages, etc. Heck, that even forgets the maritime use...
If we can build it in quantity at a reasonable cost, they will come......and we will profit......
zagdad
F&G, more posts tonight with nothing new except repetitive junk, whinning, and speculation. No industry news, no product ideas, no market trends, no attaboys, etc. - and now a small team of useless postering partners -MMMM, Claire, Shamus ...Please tell me that none of you are shareholders as I want to feel really good down the road to know you won't prosper from all the trash you keep throwing around.
MATT - please deliver the IH Boards an "Ignore" alternative or at least give me hope with a commitment to it coming in the near future......
Thanks to Bizz, Gotin, Moron, SH, DiverDan, and the many others who are able to contribute some useful info from time to time. Also thanks to RB for the info posts - although I notice that the F&G crew never sees any useful info, good explanations, etc. from the informed, first hand posts you provide. Not many would do it and many would say it is probably not adviseable but I find the posts interesting and appear reasonable in their facts/ideas offered. Maybe a small email club for those interested in info and not expecting any "insider info" would be a better venue - or that side board somewhere? Then the first group I lamented could just talk to each other for about one day before they go on to real investments elsewhere.....LOL
SEVU Management - With respect to the PP I am still hoping for an explanation of the details and, better yet, a cut back on what was originally outlined.
Goodnight,
Zagdad
F&G, please quit suggesting that you speak for the majority - you are so baised anymore that it is difficult to garner much benefit from reading your posts. If you can't find anything positive to work on with respect to SEVU why not sell, sue if you like, and go help elsewhere in the financial world!
zagdad
Tony, well said in both cases based on experience todate. Time may change things for one side of the other but hopefully facts will drive emotions.
zagdad
Teammates,
well my post points up that there are two missing - where they there and scratched, did Matt install "ignore" and the system read my mind, or ???? Right after Rich's nice clarifying update so I wonder ........Anyone care to inform me?
TIA, zagdad
F&G,
After a few days of closer to normal posting, the hawking of such a weak bashing post as Sinbad's, off of RB at that, is like falling off the wagon for you. I hope when you read such a post you would take strong exception to the content, style, and intent - bush league as always. How about spending equal time glorifing the positive issues each day to keep a balance at least. Like Sinbad could have a knowledgeable comment on the professional capability of TA?!! Pleeeeaaase....
Let's all get over the personnal past of the players, judge the current product and players related to Seaview activity, and we'll cut the posts and you'll encourage the support of all of us who do want to know more about the PP and hope there is room to mitigate the over all package we have heard only a tad about - hopefully if there are better alternatives available. I too support efforts to gain PP info first and SOON and then make value judgements.
zagdad
Moron et al,
I've had the same basic stand - without details it is tough to judge and react, particularily when one wants to give as much benefit of the doubt as possible. Has anyone of the supportive longs received either a promise of firm details SOON or a (I hope not) denial of any and all details?
TIA, zagdad