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"and then GM sold EDS to HP"
That's not quite right. GM spun off EDS in 1996 and they were independent until last August when HP bought them. Both EDS and HP had/have IT contracts with GM, but I'm not sure to what extent HP may have been supplying PC's, if at all.
Telstar - re: NBC market research.
Looks like you're right on track according to this current article on CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/07/nbcolympics.ap/index.html
NEW YORK (AP) -- NBC is using the Olympics as a "billion-dollar research lab" to get a sense of how people are using different media platforms to experience the Beijing Games that begin August 8.
Besides giving advertisers a clearer picture of how much consumers are paying attention to the games, NBC hopes its research provides a comprehensive picture of how people are supplementing TV viewership with tools such as video streaming, video on demand and mobile phones, said Alan Wurtzel, the company's research chief.
"The billion-dollar lab is an extraordinary research opportunity," he said.
NBC has scheduled 3,600 hours of Olympics programming on its main network, along with Telemundo, USA, Oxygen, MSNBC, CNBC and Bravo. That's the equivalent of eight days of programming packed into each day.
In addition, the company is planning to make 2,200 hours of streaming video available on NBCOlympics.com. Consumers may also get video on demand via their computer and Olympics content through their mobile phones.
NBC relies on Nielsen Media Research for a count of how many people are watching the Olympics on their TVs at home, but there is no existing research tool that pulls together all the different types of exposure, Wurtzel said. With the help of outside companies and its own research staff, NBC is using about 10 methods for measuring the audience.
NBC has contracted with Quantcast Corp. to get a sense of who is using NBCOlympics.com. Besides video streaming, computer users are being offered reams of Olympics data, blogging of live events and gaming. NBC wants to know how many people will visit NBCOlympics.com, what pages they are viewing and how much time they are spending on the computer.
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The information could be used on the fly to program the Web site. If one sport is doing particularly well with video on demand requests, NBCOlympics.com might feature it on its home page.
Same thing with mobile phone content: Will phone owners be interested in updates on events or in streaming video?
"I have no idea how people are going to use this stuff," Wurtzel said.
NBC will also be working with another company, Integrated Media Measurement Inc., that will distribute special cell phones to consumers. They will measure, through a signal included in Olympics audio, how much people are exposed to Olympics programming when they aren't at home.
NBC is conducting an online survey of 500 consumers each day, a total of 8,500 throughout the 17-day games, to ask detailed questions about how much they are using different media platforms. The company is also running different focus groups.
In an old media world, television companies didn't particularly want evidence that consumers were doing anything other than watching their content on television. That's not so anymore, Wurtzel said.
"The whole idea is to get the same person and to touch them across all different sorts of platforms," he said.
The information NBC gleans is not yet currency, meaning it won't be recognized in the advertising community to set prices for commercial time. Wurtzel concedes that some of the research efforts may not work in practice as they are designed.
But he's considering it a step toward producing what NBC calls a TAMI -- Total Audience Measurement Index, which takes into account TV, online, video on demand and mobile phone usage. It may eventually be used for all programming going forward.
Alea: I like to read your posts as much for ...
the writing style as for the content. Both are great. No offense to other posters here, but compared with standard message board fare, your writing style is kind of like seeing a fine oil painting in a sea of stick figures.
Thanks,
Opie
Helpful, that sounds a lot like...
the original vision....coming back 'round on the long and winding road.
It seems very plausible to me. It's a little bit twilight zonish how this is developing through such a long, long process. The Dell ads flip me out in the context of what they would have meant, say 9 years ago.
reach - me too. And...Seagate on WSJ pg B4. eom
Thanks Jaybeaux. eom
Jaybeaux, any word on KTM in 1260 son-in-law's Dell?
I hope that you will share this information with the board one way or the other.........
Thanks.
Pointsec was just implemented globally at the large, (100,000+ employee), company I work for. We just don't have the TPMs yet. My laptop is about 1 year old (on a 3-year cycle), and a TPM machine wasn't an option on the list a year ago, and of course no Seagate FDE's yet. We are Dell users.
Where's Wave at EDS?
EDS will provide a range of information technology services to federal government agencies as a subcontractor to AT&T Government Solutions, a business unit of AT&T Inc., which has been awarded one of three Networx Universal contracts by the U.S. General Services Administration (GSA).
Under the Networx Universal contract EDS will work with AT&T to compete for task orders for telecommunications, networking and related services. As part of the AT&T Networx team (which also includes Northrop Grumman, SRA International, GTSI, Global Crossing, Cingular Wireless and Bechtel), EDS will provide security services such as managed firewall service intrusion detection, anti-virus management, secure managed email, managed e-authentication, and managed tiered security services. EDS will also provide customized design engineering, managed network services, unified messaging, and collaboration support.
EDS Smart Card Deal for US Gov't ...
Does Wave even have any continued push to provide solutions for this type of service, or did that go to the back burner? Obviously EDS is doing fine without a Wave solution in this area.
Thanks for your thoughts ...
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EDS obtains approval to provide identity management services for federal agencies
20 Jul 2006
EDS received approval today from the U.S. General Services Administration (GSA) to assist federal agencies in meeting the Homeland Security Presidential Directive-12 (HSPD-12) identity management requirements and deadlines. The directive requires federal agencies to adopt a government-wide standard for secure and reliable identification of all employees and contractors by Oct. 27, 2006, via a standard federal smart card.
GSA's approval recognizes the ability of the EDS Assured Identity TM solution to assist agencies in complying with HSPD-12, and reinforces EDS' standing as a leading provider of advanced smart card identity management services to the federal government.
"EDS' track record with the Defense Manpower Data Center and in implementing systems such as the Defense Biometric Identification System demonstrates our capability to offer the services federal agencies need for HSPD-12 compliance," said Jim Duffey, general manager, EDS U.S. Public Sector. "EDS is a leading provider of large-scale identity management services to federal agencies, and GSA's approval will clear the way for us to provide these solutions to more federal government clients."
The EDS Assured IdentityTM solution, built on field-proven components and processes, is specifically designed to meet the needs of HSPD-12 and the Federal Information Processing Standards 201-1 Personal Identity Verification Standard. EDS will offer Assured IdentityTM as an integrated, secure, modular and scalable solution for enrollment, registration, issuance and management of identity management services.
Last month, EDS announced that the company delivered its 10 millionth Common Access Card (smart card) to the U.S. Department of Defense under an aggressive program managed by the Defense Manpower Data Center. It is the largest federal government advanced smart card program.
EDS has more than 10 years of experience in federal and international biometric and card-based access control systems. EDS also is a founding member of the Federation for Identity Cross-Credentialing Systems, an industry consortium working with the U.S. Department of Defense on providing secure military installation access by defense contractors.
Asteroid: I just received my voting materials ...
yesterday. My stock is held in street name (with broker) and that may delay delivery a little.
Opie
Dig Space - Your post is a brilliantly clear and simple explanation of Wave's technology, competetive positioning and business opportunities. Nice job!!!!! This post should be the banner for this Forum. Well ... and maybe add BigTim's recent post about the prospects for enterprise adoption of fully authenticated PC's in private a network. That post gives a good perspective on the client motivations (or not), and prospects, for the software upgrades.
I believe that the reader of these posts will get excited about Wave's prospects - recognizing that there is risk, but with a disproportionately high chance of a very big reward.
Opie
Barge, You're taking that PR piece about the EDS Agility Alliance too literally. Given the date on that piece ... EDS was trying to make a splash with the concept. I support the agility alliance concept. But, beleive me, if the only way EDS can win a deal is to use HP servers because the client insists on HP servers, then an exception to the standard (Dell) solution *will* be made. EDS' standard solution concept in general is more about IT solutions that are created with standard offerings rather than customized solutions for each client. It's a strategy to drive down costs. I think that this concept is different that the industry-wide 'technology standards' created by TGC. And ... I think you are waaaaay off base saying that the EDS Agility Alliance is a front for the TGC.
Obviously the alliance partners are involved in TGC, and I think it would be great if EDS and the alliance partners can find a customer for trusted computing using TGC standards and Wave authentication solutions. Given the many EDS government contracts and interest in HIPPA, I don't think it's a stretch to see something happen there. In fact, I'm surprised and frankly disappointed that nothing has popped so far -- at least nothing visible to us at this point.
Another thing that's a bit disappointing to me is that I just got a new laptop at work - a Dell Latitude D610. The Dell D620 wasn't an option (at least to the general population).
Barge, this statement is not accurate: "I've argued for the past couple years that the EDS Agility Alliance was a TCG front ...".
The agility alliance partners jointly participate in bids for *all kinds* of IT business. The agility alliance is about a strategy for EDS to successfully compete with it's virtically integrated competitors like IBM and HP. EDS doesn't make servers and routers and such, so they partner with those who do. They recommend their partner's hardware as the preferred solution, but also maintain the ability to be agnostic if the potential client does not want the alliance partners stuff.
I'm not saying that I disagree that EDS is still connected to Wave, but I also can't prove the connection through extensive searches -- about which I can say no more.
Opie
Blockbuster post XAM. Thanks, much needed. eom
Doh! - got it now Zen, Thx eom
OT: I'm not an IH subscriber. eom
Zen, I didn't get the PM. thx tho eom.
Awk & Helpful
I've done some searches and can't find anything internally on keywords, Wave, Trusted PC's, Embassy, etc. There is significant mention of computing and services "at the edge", but I just can't find any connections at this time. This is on HIPPA. You all are more able than I to interpret the implications of these solutions: (COE means PC's in EDS-speak)
EDS secure solutions comply with HIPAA Security Rule
26 Apr 2005
• COE Secure Solutions
• HIPAA Security & Privacy
EDS recently implemented changes to meet the requirements of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Security Rule, which went into effect April 20, 2005.
HIPAA, a United States law passed in 1996, establishes requirements for health care organizations and their associates to protect the confidentiality, integrity and availability of individually identifiable healthcare information when it is electronically processed, stored or transmitted. This information is referred to as “electronic protected health information” or “ePHI.”
EDS’ obligations to HIPAA are largely through our client contracts in the health care industry. To better serve those clients and our internal needs, EDS has enhanced its security processes and capabilities.
The EDS healthcare account teams have enhanced their application systems to protect ePHI that EDS processes on behalf of our clients. At the same time, a cross-functional team of EDS and alliance partners worked together to provide enhanced capabilities to allow EDS’ workforce to protect ePHI.
Workforce solutions to secure electronic protected health information
The EDS secure solutions are targeted for individuals supporting healthcare accounts typically using COE workstations connected to the EDS intranet, either locally or through the EDS virtual private network (VPN). Four enhanced capabilities are being provided.
Secure e-mail
Secure e-mail enables the ability to send and receive ePHI with clients, partners or other EDS Exchange users in a protected manner. Depending on the recipient of the e-mail message, several options are available:
EDS has implemented a publicly signed S/MIME mail capability to enable the EDS workforce to send and receive encrypted e-mail internally and for mail exchange with S/MIME enabled clients and partners.
EDS will continue to use ZixMail, from ZixCorp, to send encrypted e-mail to non-EDS recipients who do not have secure mail capability. ZixMail enables recipients to retrieve e-mails from a public server in a secure Web browser session. This method benefits our clients by not requiring a ZixMail license to receive secure e-mail from EDS.
Secure file storage
Secure file storage safely stores ePHI on a workstation or a COE file server in encrypted files. EDS is implementing two solutions for secure file storage.
EDS is implementing Mobile Guardian, from Credant Technologies, to encrypt files stored on workstation hard drives. Credant has the benefit of enabling access to these files even when a laptop is not actively connected to the EDS network.
For protecting files stored on shared drives, such as the COE file servers, EDS is using CoreGuard, from Vormetric, Inc.
Secure remote access
Secure remote access protects logon sessions between EDS workstations and healthcare application servers and complements the EDS VPN solution used to connect remotely to the EDS infrastructure. The protection provided by the secure remote access solution maintains the confidentiality of both logon credentials and ePHI data that may pass between the server and the workstation.
EDS is implementing a capability called the Application Secure Gateway (ASG), which is provided by Permeo Technologies. ASG enables secure sessions using SSL encryption, eliminating the need for additional software on workstations or servers and minimizing the need for network changes.
Secure personal file transfer
Secure personal file transfer enables the EDS workforce to exchange ePHI files using file transfer protocol (FTP) with SSL encrypted logon sessions provided by the ASG capability, as well as secure log on to the FTP service for both “put” and “get” functions. Additionally, the CoreGuard capability used in secure file storage will be used to protect ePHI files when stored on the FTP server.
LFAWG - good question. BigTim would be a good person to ask. I've been looking for a comment from him for days! No disrespect to all of the other well informed and very intelligent posters on this board.
Bertha and all:
I too am getting the virus alerts. Mcafee virus scan tells me that they cannot be cured so the default setting on my system is to rename the file.
addendum to Barge's post ....
Yeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh!!!
Flyer' - And no Wavoid will ever again ...
recommend WAVX stock purchases to relatives, friends, neighbors, or acquaintances of any sort!!
Zen - What amazes me about Wave getting these deals is that they are able to do it with such incredibly weak financials. I mean that I'm amazed in the good way.
I work for a large IT outsourcing company with billions in the bank, and yet when our credit got downgraded we had trouble convincing potential clients of our financial strength ... and we lost deals over it. Amazing and comforting that Wave is able to be bundled with the products of a company the likes of Intel, and the issue of concern over their viability seems to have been accepted.
Maybe Intel knows of the incredible commitment of us Wavoids???
StocWatcher - I really enjoyed your SHM recap.
Great job on summing it up and sharing your perspective. Thanks
Big Tim,
I often scan the board hoping for one of your posts, and was pleased to find some today. They were very helpful. Your posts are influential in shaping the discussion on this board and I think that they help create the very environment you seek. Thanks.
Buffetguy - The french pronounciation of your handle wouldn't give one a very flattering mental picture of you anyway.
I enjoy reading your posts - your confident attitude is a great counterpoint to the naysayers.
Opie
It sure seemed like the price drop in WAVX started right after the exchange with BillBurn yesterday, and before the market drop of today.
Whatever.
Berkshires - thanks and keep 'em coming! eom
SEC Regulation SHO link:
Here's the new regulation effective Jan 3, 2005. See rule 200.
http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2004-87.htm
SEC Adopts Changes to Short Sale Rules, Disclosures Regarding Advisory Contract Approval and Investment Company Governance Provisions
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2004-87
Washington, D.C., June 23, 2004 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today voted to adopt changes to its rules regarding short selling; its requirements for disclosures by investment companies concerning board approval of advisory contracts; and its investment company exemptive rules, designed to improve fund governance practices.
1. Amendments to Short Sale Regulation — Regulation SHO
The Securities and Exchange Commission voted to adopt new Regulation SHO under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Regulation SHO, which provides a new regulatory framework governing short selling of securities, includes the following.
Rule 202(T), which establishes procedures to allow the Commission to temporarily suspend the operation of the current "tick" test in Rule 10a-1, and any short sale price test of any exchange or national securities association, for specified securities.
Through a separate order, the Commission will suspend, on a pilot basis for a period of one-year, the tick test provision of paragraph (a) of Rule 10a-1, and any short sale price test of any exchange or national securities association, for approximately one-third of stocks in the Russell 3000 index.
The order also will suspend, on a pilot basis for a period of one year, the tick test provision of paragraph (a) of Rule 10a-1 for short sales executed in any security included in the Russell 1000 index after 4:15 p.m. Eastern, and all other securities after the close of the consolidated tape, and until the open of the consolidated tape the next day.
The pilot will commence on January 3, 2005 to permit broker-dealers and self-regulatory organizations to make the necessary programming adjustments.
The Commission deferred consideration of the proposal to replace the current "tick" test of Rule 10a-1 with a new uniform bid test. The Commission could reconsider any further action on these proposals after the completion of the pilot.
Rule 203, which will incorporate current Rule 10a-2 and will create a uniform Commission rule requiring broker-dealers, prior to effecting short sales in all equity securities, to "locate" securities available for borrowing.
There will be limited exceptions from the locate requirement, including for short sales by registered market makers in connection with bona-fide market making.
Rule 203 also imposes additional requirements on designated "threshold securities." Rule 203 defines a threshold security to mean an equity security for which there is an aggregate fail to deliver position for five consecutive settlement days at a registered clearing agency of 10,000 shares or more and that is equal to at least 0.5% of the issue's total shares outstanding.
Where a clearing agency participant has a fail to deliver position in threshold securities that persists for ten consecutive days after settlement, the participant must take action to close out the position. Until the position is closed out, the participant, and any broker-dealer for which it clears transactions, may not effect further short sales in the particular threshold security without borrowing or entering into a bona fide arrangement to borrow the security.
Rule 203 will become effective 30 days after publication with a compliance date of January 3, 2005, to permit firms to make programming and procedural adjustments.
Rule 200, which among other things, will redesignate current Rule 3b-3 with some modifications to define ownership and aggregation of securities positions, and include a requirement to mark all sell orders in all equity securities. Rule 200 will become effective 30 days after publication.
The Commission also adopted amendments to Rule 105 of Regulation M to remove the current shelf offering exception, and issued interpretive guidance addressing sham transactions designed to evade the rule.
The amendment applies to short sales effected within five days prior to the pricing of a shelf offering. Such short sales may not be covered with offering securities purchased from an underwriter or other broker-dealer participating in the offering.
The Rule 105 amendments will be effective 30 days after publication in the Federal Register, and the interpretive guidance will be effective upon such publication.
2. Disclosure Regarding Approval of Investment Advisory Contracts by Directors of Investment Companies
The Commission voted to adopt amendments to its rules and forms that are designed to improve the disclosure that mutual funds and other registered management investment companies provide to their shareholders regarding the reasons for the fund board's approval of an investment advisory contract. The amendments are intended to encourage fund boards to consider investment advisory contracts more carefully and to encourage investors to consider more carefully the costs and value of the services rendered by the fund's investment adviser.
The amendments will require fund shareholder reports to discuss, in reasonable detail, the material factors and the conclusions with respect to these factors that formed the basis for the board of directors' approval of advisory contracts during the most recent fiscal half-year. Because fund shareholder reports will contain disclosure with respect to all advisory contracts approved by the board, the amendments will remove the existing requirement for disclosure in the Statement of Additional Information.
The amendments will include the following enhancements to the existing disclosure requirements in fund proxy statements that will parallel the disclosure in fund shareholder reports.
Selection of Adviser and Approval of Advisory Fee. The amendments will clarify that the fund must discuss both the board's selection of the investment adviser and its approval of amounts to be paid under the advisory contract.
Specific Factors. The fund will be required to include a discussion of (1) the nature, extent, and quality of the services to be provided by the investment adviser; (2) the investment performance of the fund and the investment adviser; (3) the costs of the services to be provided and profits to be realized by the investment adviser and its affiliates from the relationship with the fund; (4) the extent to which economies of scale would be realized as the fund grows; and (5) whether fee levels reflect these economies of scale for the benefit of fund investors.
Comparison of Fees and Services Provided by Adviser. The fund's discussion will be required to indicate whether the board relied upon comparisons of the services to be rendered and the amounts to be paid under the contract with those under other investment advisory contracts, such as contracts of the same and other investment advisers with other registered investment companies or other types of clients (e.g., pension funds and other institutional investors).
Fund reports to shareholders for periods ending on or after March 31, 2005, and fund proxy statements filed on or after Oct. 31, 2004, will be required to comply with these amendments.
3. Investment Company Governance
The Commission voted to adopt amendments designed to improve the governance of investment companies (funds) and the independence of fund directors. These amendments are the latest in a series of reforms pursued by the Commission to address problems identified with the management of mutual funds. The Commission proposed these amendments last January and received over 180 comment letters in response.
Mutual fund boards of directors play an important role in protecting fund investors. They have overall responsibility for the fund, and they oversee the activities of the fund adviser and negotiate the terms of the advisory contract, including the amount of the advisory fees and other fund expenses. Certain exemptive rules under the Investment Company Act require the oversight and approval of the independent directors if the fund engages in transactions with the fund manager and other affiliates, which transactions can involve inherent conflicts of interest between the fund and its managers. The Commission voted to adopt the following amendments to these exemptive rules, to enhance the independence and effectiveness of the fund's independent directors in overseeing or approving these transactions:
Independent Composition of the Board. Independent directors will be required to constitute at least 75 percent of the fund's board. An exception to this 75 percent requirement will allow fund boards with three directors to have all but one director be independent. This requirement is designed to strengthen the presence of independent directors and improve their ability to negotiate lower advisory fees and other important matters on behalf of the fund.
Independent Chairman. The board will be required to appoint a chairman who is an independent director. The board's chairman typically controls the board's agenda and can have a strong influence on the board's deliberations.
Annual Self-Assessment. The board will be required to assess its own effectiveness at least once a year. Its assessment will have to include consideration of the board's committee structure and the number of funds on whose boards the directors serve.
Separate Meetings of Independent Directors. The independent directors will be required to meet in separate sessions at least once a quarter. This requirement could provide independent directors the opportunity for candid discussions about management's performance, and could help improve collegiality.
Independent Director Staff. The fund will be required to authorize the independent directors to hire their own staff. This requirement is designed to help independent directors deal with matters on which they need outside assistance.
Compliance with these amendments will be required 18 months after their publication in the Federal Register.
The full text of detailed releases concerning each of these items will be posted to the SEC Web site as soon as possible.
A message to the de-throned queen:
...you have such beautiful pouty lips ... perhaps you'd like to become my queen?
His Magnificence - Airport Man
Zen, The article says that Disney charges on a per-movie basis, so I would imagine that the movies must be sent and cached in an encrypted format - yes? Is there a way to allow selective viewing with billing per view without encryption and decryption?
RE: Disney Movie Beam piece
That's an interesting article, and Disney's delay in roll out sounds familiar. Maybe it's my ignorance of how Wavexpress competes, but when I read these quotes at the end of the article, I can't help but think that Wavexpress has been passed by.
"Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which acquired DirecTV in December 2003, recently put in action half a million set-top boxes with hard drives in the United Kingdom through its subsidiary BSkyB. The boxes deliver movies using a push method like that of MovieBeam's."
and
"Microsoft and Intel, too, are working on technologies that push content over a broadband connection to a personal computer. Later this year, Microsoft will introduce its media center extender, which lets people play back content from the PC on the TV. Disney already has a licensing contract with Microsoft for digital rights management technology to protect content."
and
"These guys are all hovering about the same space--they're thinking, 'How do we push content to a disk drive and get it onto your TV set?'" said Kaufhold, who expects Disney to announce a new partner later this year."
Maybe Wave's involved, but I'm afraid it may be that Wave showed the way with the technology and then got passed by with the big boys developing their own system. Isn't that the oldest fear of a Wavoid? Does Wave have IP that they can defend here? Even if they may, I don't believe they can due to their financial weakness. I no longer put any faith in the arguments that if this is or that is happening, then Wave has got to be involved.
Are we not still in the hunt for this...
type of application? Does Wave's de-emphasis on the ETS system, take us out of play for these deals? Or, maybe EDS has forgotten all about Wave. EDS has experienced a lot of organizational change lately and the contacts may be broken.
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EDS and Unisys Corp. have won contracts for a U.S. government pilot project to install airport systems that would speed up screening for frequent travelers without compromising security.
The contracts were awarded as part of the Transportation Security Administration’s Registered Traveler program.
The two companies would be responsible for program management, biometrics, tactical operations and systems integration.
The EDS portion of the pilot project is expected to be under way by the end of August at Boston Logan International Airport and Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, in coordination with American Airlines.
-OT- oknpv, re: the article Yukon posted
I had pretty much the same reation as you to that naked shorting corruption article. The bastards are essentially doing the same thing as printing couterfeit shares. I started thinking about which equities I might want to sell off before the defecation hits the rotary oscillator. Whatever comes of it, if there's some disadvantage, it will go to the little guy.
Opie
Right you are Boombreaker. We're true ... and blue from holding our breath! I just wanted to let the board know that another long timer is still with you and following along day by day. Thanks to all who are inclined to post and share your thoughts.
Opie
Snackman, Peter Sprague said it best ...
"This is not a religion". Tampa already said that he is an investor ... and analytical thinking is a lot more important than faith in that game.
Tampa123, Who could argue ....
with your sentiments? Not me for sure. I find your posts to be among the most fair and balanced and generally astute on this board. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.
Opie
Matt - HhH is part of the fabric of this community - whether or not it was on this forum. Some may not agree or want to hear what he says, but I for one, appreciate hearing what he has to say. We all lose if we hear only one perspective.
He's been a part this Wave community for 4 or 5 years. Something to think about before you summarily exclude him. Thanks
OP_Finance
Opie checking in ...
Just to let you know that another long-time long is still here, still long, and waiting and watching from the wings. I follow the board with interest and appreciate all contributions.
Best wishes to all.
Opie