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Operating profitably, I am impressed and demand it continue. Operating at profit and the proper allocation of such profit to with as little risk as possible further grow the corporations net worth and value. Let's see continued sustained growth in value here.
Yup, once the choice was made we gave them our money, I hope they use it to increase the value of our investments. In this financial world a companies value is measured with mathematics, growth lies in positive numbers, loss in negative, it's asset wealth is defined in the almighty bottom line and when divided by outstanding common stock yields another number of value which can then be compared to current market prices for the stock to gauge whether the stock is over or underpriced as a result of it's recent market action. Basic stuff to think on, but fundamentals to me are the truth, the real part of the market that I still have confidence in. Where if you bought shares in a growing profitable company, that because they had achieved profitability, thus had minimized dilution and out of shareholder concern and following thru on a stated goal to build value for their shareholders in return for the risk of their initial investment, which the insiders of the company would use to continue to fund and operate the company onward to it's goals, which for our sake should be growth in valuation by way of consistent profitability and correct use of those profits to maintain and even further grow the companies value which is measured in it's equitable value and worth, the common stock represents a portion of that worth. The market cap and value of GERS is so low right now because it's being valued according to those formulas. With the inability to operate at a profit and keep it that way they show us losses in the reports so we see loss in value and when we refer to the balance sheet we see that liabilities greatly outweigh assets, again resulting in a negative number. If only in the now, or near term if they could just operate the business profitably, still too much expenditures? At least I have heard the litigation should now only cost $50K a month. If that's right that's good news.
Then we now have a lot of licensees well over 2 bgpy licensed and we all know of the litigation for infringers. With those licensees creating a lower risk long term revenue stream by way of royalties is it not possible to find a way, to make a way to right the operation and operate the business on a profit yielding margin. It should be made the number one priority, which in business I'm sure already mostly is.
My point is to create a profit margin with the new revenue stream to ensure the company for the most part will operate on a profit margin. The answers must be in the control of expenditures and the ability to cutback even further, just basics and life support and then seeing if a profit margin is revealed. Longs here have been at losses for like forever, while they are actually the source of funding to cover the financial shortcomings in the operation of the business. There are most likely going to be reasons for expenditures in the operational costs that are deemed necessary, but are they really? Which in turn gives us quarterly losses, thus the need to continue diluting to cover the shortcoming. Sadly history shows this has never been a profitable company and for such a small company has greatly resorted to sale of stock, shareholder support to keep them funded. Just check the reports and see just how much shareholders have contributed, far more, but apparently not yet enough to keep our team funded so they can eventually create a successful profitable business yielding the best products and services in the industry.
Being just an insignificant small fish outsider on my own I will admit I have no idea how to run this company, but can only arrive at my best outsider answers the result of company research and having to trust in whatever info, reports are available to me.
Finding and making a way to operate at profit and at the same time finding new non toxic shareholder friendly financing are key and the sooner the better.
I believe the management is trying their best, but at the helm I would see the huge continued shareholder losses as a stain which must be remedied as soon as possible, especially because they trusted and gave and yet have received nothing back.
Why? Some simple, some complex answers can be speculatively arrived at by researching this on both the micro and macro industry and market environments.
I'm a long here by 2 short years now, I got interested by their new business model, the patents, royalties etc...
My money is still on this horse, like a navigator we should check ourselves and the seas ahead, will we make it?
So no matter what the hype is, the bottom line is growth in the equity, net worth of the company. Growth equals profits, quarterly and yearly and then the wise application of such to maintain and even better when used with as little risk as possible to create even more growth in corporate value. There is always much news and hype especially when support is needed by dilution, but what really matters in the growth or decline of corporate value is the ability to consistently operate at profitability. When consistent profit's become realized and are put away where their value is sustained or can further with little risk grow, only then does the value of the corporation grow. Our common stock is a vessel which when effected by the rise and fall of such value will also rise and fall in value, though traded on the market is in turn affected in price by market forces and sentiment. I have heard of stocks that although their company had made great successful strides in growth and value, did not follow the typical Price follows Earnings theory, thus for some reason the common stockholders did not see any rise in the price or value of their holdings, thus out of shareholder concern, to cultivate respect and honor, profits could be distributed to all known shareholders in the form of dividends, of course we need profit's first. All here thank's and keep up the great DD, micro and macro and the answers to the what's, where's, when's, why's and how's should appear in due time.
It looked to me that we should have had more revenue coming in by now from the licensees, yet the income was down. My best answer would be that because the market is now saturated with a large supply of oil coming from the alleged infringers, that the increased supply responding to demand has created a drop in market value, the market price the producers are able to sell their oil at. With Patents on our side we need a victory in the litigation and injunctions to correct their business practices and to take the competing oil off the market, which should reduce supply and focus demand on legal licensees of the oil. The effect of reduced supply on demand because of injunctions should create a rise in the market price for the oil, thus creating a rise in the revenues of GreenShift and it's licensees. Remember GreenShift's royalty is 20% of the licensees oil sales. 20% from the information available to the common shareholder and what we trust in. The sooner the better, the longer it takes the more we suffer dilution and loss. Yet the key to equitable growth in the value of a business is consistent, more than less, quarter to quarter, year to year profitability and the correct application of those profits, to maintain and create further growth in the value of the corporate equity of which our common stock represents, although only a part of the pie.
This company has made some great progress yet it still feels like were in a quagmire.
What matters most to me is profits, the bottom line for growth or decline in equitable value and the ability of the company to operate and achieve growth thru profits. There are many examples of growth and you never know just how much the net worth of a company could grow. We as public investors have to make the decision to invest based on researching where the company is headed, where it's at and where it's been, also most importantly the caliber and trustworthiness of the management, insiders. The A/S is huge on this one, I just hope they do everything possible, pay cuts and all in order to and until consistent profitability is achieved. I believe the past history shows far more than enough financial contribution from the common stock investors. It does not please me or think it is morally right to see my investment and just about all other longs at nearly total loss and still seeing them use the dilution of the stock to generate funding. When I decided to invest I put my trust in the insiders and where the company appeared to be headed, by trusting them I assume they have done all that is possible to lighten the load of the operational cost yet witnessing the past reported losses it looks like
operational cost still cannot be brought under revenues to yield profit and EPS growth. Thus we still see the further dilution and reported losses which in turn create negative market sentiment and further devaluation of our stock, investment. So it's just my opinion that for the most part no matter at what stage, margins and operating at a profit must be kept as a top priority. I do not think it is morally right for insiders and is not yet time to celebrate nor open gifts while that other part of the team, the outsiders, the common investors who seem to have contributed quite a bit to keep the company funded and headed toward it's goals see only losses in their portfolios. Yet I have trust in the management team and believe it's in their strategy to build value for their investors. It just remains to be seen.
Glta!
Yes it will all unfold, i agree and my bets on GERS coming out the winner in the litigation.
What tests my patience is when will it all be done, but what greatly matters to me is when will they run the business lean to allow a profit margin. A couple years ago I thought this would be profitable by now, dilution very minimal and the stock moved up in value. Unfortunately not yet. I think the key to growth in equitable value is profitable quarterly and yearly reports and the proper allocation of those profits.
Whether bigger or smaller is it possible to run this company at a profit? And when will the courts issue injunctions to take the infringing oil off the market? That should tighten up the supply of crude corn oil and create a more focused demand, rise in the oils market price. Just my theory.
Profit's we need profitability, Is it possible with this company? Profits and the their proper application are the key to growth of net worth of which this common stock represents a portion of. Profit's equal growth in value, losses equal loss in value no matter what your business is. All the talk is only talk, we need consistent growth in profits. Can they do it, are they really trying hard enough to bring operational costs down to ensure profit or will the history of losses and sale of stock continue?
A business can't survive with repetitive losses and overwhelming debt, this has survived by way of sale of common stock, shareholder support.........
Don't they have a deal with their lawyers at $50 k a month? If so then legal fees should not be a big issue and personally I don't think it's justifiable for inventors, insiders, etc.. to receive bonuses and and excessive salaries until they can set the ship right and show us they can create sustained profitability and growth in corporate equity, value. Its not right to live an excessive lifestyle, made possible by the contributions of common shareholders, while those same shareholders are rendered losses. The pie must be more evenly distributed. A victory is but only a mirage, when the others are left behind.
Profitability should be a priority, a must. Everything should be scaled down and cut to bare necessity, skeleton crews and minimal salaries until profit is realized. There should be no excesses, bonuses to insiders until sustainable profits can be realized. We need sustained growth in profit and EPS to create growth in net worth and theoretically in the value of our investments, market cap. Profits should drastically minimize dilution, looking back thru the financials haven't the common shareholders already gone far beyond their means in doing their share to support the company? Yet longs are still at losses. Now with a 2.3 + bgpy stream of revenue, is it not possible to implement cutbacks to ensure profit is realized? Maybe new energy saving light bulbs? What's the excuse for not operating at profit and why must they always result to sale of stock, dilution to compensate their shortfalls, thus only resulting in further depreciation of longs investments.
I'm looking forward to quarter 2 results. If a company cannot operate at profit it will eventually fail, as they cant sell stock forever. The stock will have no value because at continued losses the company will have no asset value, just debt and not enough revenue to cover it.
What does the future have in store? We need a court victory, the sooner the better. Injunctions would be a great way to start.
So who keeps buying all those shares? New investors or old longs?
There must be interest and support or the price will keep dropping?
Say if and when we get a court victory I think it could be worth $50 to $200 million in settlement? What do you think? With a 50 to 75 million o/s that could easily make this worth a dollar or more.
A 20 billion a/s leaves plenty as long as we don't lose in court. We do have 6 USPTO patents!
Im not worrying too much about another r/s.
I'm waiting for Qtr 2 results, will we be profitable next quarter and thru the year?
If not looks like it will be up to us to support this by buying up the dilution.
A 50 million o/s? 75 million? The a/s is 20 billion!
The march continues, may God be with us!
We need injunctions to shut down the infringers and their supply, that would tighten up market supply and drive the corn oil market price up and focus buying attention towards available suppliers, GERS licensees.
Yet there is still supply coming from suspected infringing producers who are not yet under litigation from GERS. I think they will be next. And of course we need a victory and settlement.
Corn oil extraction a life saver when margins are tight. So we got all these infringers.....
A quagmire? Surely a test of faith for longs here.
Regarding Corn Oil market dynamics, market price, value, supply and demand. Without injunctions the market
supply is still saturated with non GERS licensed, infringer oil. So what's happening with injunctions? Without, non GERS licensed oill floods the market and the price drops, I have noticed the drop in price since 2 years ago as more producers have implemented corn oil systems. Without injunctions this trend will continue, we've seen the forecasts for as much as 80% of the industry running back end corn oil extraction systems by end of this year. I believe GERS has about 15 to 20% licensed and yet in quarters 4 and 1 only brought in about $3 million per, and recorded losses, therefore having to depend on further diltuon, shareholder support to makeup the shortfall, to stay afloat. Looking to GERS financial history you can see how much shareholder support has been used, mass dilution and reverse splits, necessary because of non profitability. With a corn oil market flooded with infringer oil and GERS current market share not bringing in enough for profitability, it looks like the dilution trend will continue, which coming from a perspective of 2 to 3 years ago dissapoints me. I thought 2.3 bgpy would bring in far more than $ 3 million per quarter and would be more profitable. I think I underestimated the effect a huge increase in supply from non GERS licensed infringer oil would have on the oils market price. I think that is why 2.3 bgpy brings in only about $3 million. Apparently not enough for profitability. Can they downsize to ensue profit, haircuts? So without injunctions or a near term court victory, settlement or signing and shut down of those producers, the current struggle looks to continue. More losses and dilution? I'm looking forward to seeing Qtr 2 results and hope for the better. Because of irrepareable losses to GERS investors I believe injunctions should be granted and infringing producers oil taken off the market and systems shut down. That I think would help us at GERS by reducing supply and focusing demand on legal licensed oil, supply from GERS licensees. The reduced supply and increased demand should push the corn oil market price higher, more $ for GERS licensees and GERS 20% royalty. Only then could we see a much better take from 2.3 bgpy and a much better chance at profitability.
So is the injunction process moving? And how long will the case drag on? Will GreenShift win the case? I hope so.
We really need justice to step up make a decision and save our company, with continued quarterly losses how will the debt be paid off?, I'm really waiting up see how they, the management pull it off.
Only $3 million in Qtr 1? Oh well looking for a profit in Qtr 2, Hope so, but with infringing oil flooding the market and expanding without being shut down hmm?
One thing I notice is that since 2 years ago when I made my first investments in this companies stock the average price of crude corn oil has really dropped. I think it's because production and supply has increased, somewhat dramatically. I would say more than half of the supply comes from alleged infringers. Their "illegal" oil has brought the price down. GreenShift and it's licensees would be doing much much better if their, the infringers oil supply, was off the market or they were licensed and paying the royalty. Demand would focus on the only legal producers, GERS licensees. GERS would benefit from the rising price due to heavy demand on a tighter supply or if the infringers were all licensed like they are supposed to be and paying the royalty, the true legal way. GreenShift has the patents, they don't. I dont know why it takes so long for the court to find the defendants guilty? Is it not so simple to inspect their plants and see they are infringing GERS patents.
The delay is an injustice to shareholders as time is our money, nearly down the drain that is?
Still long.
This litigation is like chipping away at a dam, one day I hope a crack will open and big news will leak and break it wide open. Or the dam will be too strong and we will die, empty handed skeletons.
Goody good luck here amigos!
Question: if GreenShift went bankrupt would YA take over the patents?
And I assume they might sell them to highest bidder or continue the litigation?
I look to positive outcomes, but think it wise to contemplate all possibilities.
I assume they will get new financing and just keep diluting as needed.
Maybe one day the debt will be gone and they will have consistent profits and EPS growth.
Just coming from a perspective of buying in 2 years ago with some shares initially bought at a split adjusted price of $1.10, how will my investment stand the test of time here? I have not added any more since I don't remember? Maybe December? I invested about $9 grand and don't really have extra funds to buy more or maybe I'll dig some up, but do I really need to keep chasing this down? It just keeps depreciating. I've chased it down for 2 years. They get 2.3 bgpy licensed and still can't operate at profit, at least not yet.
I'm long so I'm in their corner, but these are realities, it's not wise to ignore them.
Better to face them and find answers, solutions.
We need sustained profitable growth, Not losses. Continued losses means more dilution to cover shortfalls.
Reported losses and dilution only reduce the assessed value of the equity, stock.
The goal is to continually operate at profit and build value.
The common stock dilution has been relied upon for far too long, it seems this should have been over with by now, after all those years and millions upon millions of dollars spent by the company.
I think our time, for common shareholders redemption is near.
I have faith in the Management and Ownerships leadership skills.
Glta!
The issue is still dilution because they lack profit, but why?
Now to point B.
Insiders really need to start creating value and growth, thus growth in EPS and theoretically or artificially by distributing profit's to shareholders by issuing cash dividends, in the case of a numb market.
Life is good for insiders as their daily lifestyle and business is funded by continued shareholder support, ironically those shareholders, longs, are in the red, many from years back see their entire investments nearly worthless. I believe the time has come and is overdue to return the favor and payback, help those who had helped you. Turn the ship around for common shareholders, make it happen. It's a great company, run by talented people with great groundbreaking, industry saving tech. Green tech!, It would be a shame to see continued shareholder loss here, a blemish and shame within a great movement. The product and service this company provides are for our society, for us the people and it's us who decide where we should invest our money. This is a great green company, good for our planet and people so we invest to push it forward, to help you insiders to make it happen. Because it's supposed to better our society and our planet. It does not seem logical or right for it to succeed, when shareholders are left behind at losses. Look at the big picture, yes great industry saving inventions, patents, well paid insiders, business taking off, while the main supporters, the common shareholders, mainly us US citizens who this is mostly for look at their portfolios and see only red. Come on, success yet loss for longs? I have faith and hold, but is that reality? It does not seem feasible to periodically distribute cash dividends to shareholders when they're constantly being fleeced and bled for life support? Or can the tree be further trimmed on the inside to yield the profit? What kind of quarterly revenue is needed to halt dilution? $3 million in qtr's 4 and 1 was obviously not enough. We need the courts to take the infringers oil off the markets, I think industry wide that would create increased pressure from demand on a reduced supply and a spike in the price of the oil and therefore a rise in GERS licensees revenues and GERS 20% royalties. What's happening with the injunctions, I thought they were in the process?
Justice seems to be moving a bit slow, when the infringing is quite obvious. Let's hope the court wraps this up soon, so true justice is not mocked.
God is not mocked - He cannot be imposed on, or mocked. He knows what our real character is, and he will judge us accordingly. The word rendered "mocked" (µ??t????? mukterizo), means, properly, to turn up the nose in scorn; hence, to mock, or deride, or insult. The sense is, that God could not be imposed on, or could not be insulted with impunity, or successfully. To mock is, properly:
(1) To imitate, to mimic: to imitate in contempt or derision.
(2) to deride, to laugh at, to ridicule.
(3) to defeat, or to illude, or to disappoint.
(4) to fool, to tantalize - Webster.
Here it cannot mean to imitate, or to mimic, but it refers to the principles of the divine administration, and must mean that they could not be treated with contempt, or successfully evaded. They could not hope to illude or impose on God. His principles of government were settled, and they could not impose on him. To what the reference is here, is not perfectly plain. In the connection in which it stands, it seems to refer to the support of the ministers of the gospel; and Paul introduces the general principle, that as a man sows he will reap, to show them what will be the effect of a liberal and proper use of their property. If they made a proper use of it; if they employed it for benevolent purposes; if they appropriated what they should to the support of religion, they would reap accordingly. God could not be imposed on in regard to this. They could not make him think that they had true religion when they were sowing to the flesh, and when they were spending their money in purchasing pleasure, and in luxury and vanity.
No zeal, however ardent; no prayers, however fervent or long, no professions, however loud, would impose on God. And to make such prayers, and to manifest such zeal and such strong professions, while the heart was with the world, and they were spending their money for every thing else but religion, was mocking God. Alas, how much mockery of God like this still prevails! How much, when people seem disposed to make God believe that they are exceedingly zealous and devoted, while their heart is truly with the world! How many long prayers are offered; how much zeal is shown; how many warm professions are made, as if to make God and man believe that the heart was truly engaged in the cause of religion, while little or nothing is given in the cause of benevolence; while the ministers of religion are suffered to starve; and while the "loud professor" rolls in wealth, and is distinguished for luxury of living, for gaiety of apparel, for splendor of equipage, and for extravagance in parties of pleasure! Such professors attempt to mock God. They are really sowing to the flesh; and of the flesh they must reap corruption.
Can they? Looks difficult when they report qtr to qtr losses. Obvious they still need funding by dilution, shareholder support. How much more?, they have used it for years, look at the balance sheet. They really need to trim the tree and create a profit margin, not possible? Hair cuts?
Come on, look at the roster of licensees, 2.3 bgpy! That's a long term revenue stream, now just operate on a margin, downsize, make it happen, create profit and growth in value, shareholder gains.
Gain praise and trust from your shareholders. I don't think longs from 2 to 3 split's back have much of any value left, which is a shame because their support and hard earned money is what supported the company and insiders and got it to where it is today. I'm still thinking something big is coming soon, It's June 2012! thing's are really starting to happen? It's just a started investing in summer 2010 and back then I thought by this time 2012 thing's should really have picked up. Even with the 2.3 bgpy revenue stream and 6 patents it looks like the litigation and new financing are the big issues.
Along with operating at a profit.
Is it not possible by dilution to pay the entire debt off with the current A/S, then another R/S if needed?
Oh man, 6 patents and 2.3 bgpy licensed and seems like things have not changed, except the value of our investments. Reality? I'm holding long until I see gain, high or dry. Glta'
But from a perspective of 2 to 3 years back to the current 2.3 bgpy licensed and now holding 6 patents,
with their licensees and a solid revenue stream set in place, that with some good shaved heads they could operate the ship at a profit? Or with the YA debt is it still a pipe dream?
So then if so, with non profitable quarters, untill we get new non dilutive financing and or a big settlement, we should expect much more dilution and devaluation of our investments. Is that reality? Only $3 million revenue in the 1st Qtr? That's not enough it seems. Is that all 2.3 bgpy yields? I think the price of oil is down because the market is saturated with infringer oil. They're running the clock and the commoners are bleeding. I hope the judge is really Batman in disguise. We need some justice here, the swifter the better.
These infringers are annoying already, from an overview this trial should be over already, justice served with infringers shut down or licensed and a settlement paid out.
Is the market cap really only about $500 k?
We need new non dilutive financing, we need a judgment against infringers and a correction in their business practices, we need a settlement. We need restructuring to yield sustained profitability and growth. When and with dilution capped and growth in value we should see continued growth in EPS and shareholder gains. True justice and what we really deserve. GERS has great green tech and the industry is eating it up, GERS shareholders deserve better and I pray our time is coming.
I can't believe this case drags on and on. GERS has 5 patents and it's obvious the defendants are infringing and will not be able to invalidate. Meanwhile management still shows us shareholders they are not able to operate at a profit, even with 2.3 bgpy licensed. So because there is still no judgement against infringers and no settlement, etc... GERS shareholders continue to suffer loss to their investments from further dilution and the prior reverse splits. As a long it can be frustrating so I don't dwell on it too much, I just check back now and then for any major changes. I just see more dilution and losses. But I still have faith in the crew and will keep holding long. I know they are trying their best and it's a tough battle. Go GERS!
This is all good, the company has great tech, but can the management operate it at a profit?
With the new revenue stream, operational costs should be kept down to yield profit and create value and growth, for shareholders. They have used dilution to fund the companies shortfall's is an understatement and enough is enough in my opinion, they need to show shareholders they can run a profitable business instead of showing us they can just sell more stock and then reverse split long's away. Constructive criticism? But seriously lot's of investor money has been lost here, while insiders and their machine remain funded. We need the judge to order a settlement as soon as possible.
There is no justice in shareholder loss when it's they who kept the ship afloat. Once a sufficient revenue stream has been created, there must be an art to operating at a profit without selling more stock. How much stock are they allowed to sell anyway? Was it not issued based on a valuation of the company, so much more left in the authorized share count.
So these infringers think they are not infringing because their syrup is left with far more than the 5% that they say the GERS patents define? Meaning they extract far less from the centrifuge than GERS and therefore are not infringing and thus request summary judgment in their favor. I don't think that matters as they are still infringing the patent's. I think that 5% does not matter and it's clear they are infringing, the Judge should rule in summary judgement against them and just have them shut down or license with GERS and pay GERS a settlement. So looks to me like not trying to invalidate but trying to say their methods are not within the scope of GERS patent's. Damn? they are still beating around the bush, the Judge should just order them to settle already as it's so obvious they infringe and knowing the longer it drags on the more irreparable damage is done to GERS, it's licensees and shareholders. In the end if GERS get's a settlement, even that won't pay back long's whose shares and investments were wiped away with the reverse splits and dilution, the long's who supported the company. This Justice is for us the investors too! I think the Judge should know and should rule in favor to help us. Justice? Dragging it on while those who supported the company suffer irreplaceable total losses is not Justice, the company would not be afloat without the common shareholder support. IMO!
Is it Miller time?
We all know it's obvious their infringing, and it does not look like the patents will be invalidated, so with further losses at stake swift justice would be most logical. The continued delay only causes irreparable damage to those who don't deserve it, an injustice.
Hmm? This company invents and patents the process that pretty much saves the ethanol producer industry and yet were still down here. Im still patient and believe. Glta!
Great posts, interesting trades, developments.
Still here. Got in summer 10' and hope to eventually see gain on my investment.
Regarding the ICM AOS patent, I do believe to operate it must depend on upstream processes that do indeed infringe GERS patents. And is POETs Voila still patent pending and still infringing GERS patents?
A new shareholder friendly financing plan would make my day, the sooner the better. It is their stated objective for the year right? 2.3 bgpy licensed should eventually bring in more than $3 million per quarter no?
Maybe if supply could tighten up on demand and bring price per unit value up by taking illegal infringer oil off the market. Their flood of supply oil no doubt affects the crude corn oil market price, GreenShifts partners revenue and GreenShifts take by royalty.
Glta!
Did Nobody every solve the mystery to that supposedly missing revenue?
Horror to think of the loss to the investors, the very investors who's contributions supported and built the company. If! this does not turn around soon. Sure all's well inside as the insiders income continues to flow, thank's to the common shareholders. But do they sleep well? I sure hope they get some bright idea on how to turn this around for the common shareholders. It just not right at this point with all the licensees and the 5 patents. There should be a way to operate at profit and refinance now that they have a revenue stream. Maybe they would be better off if in a buyout, merge scenario? It worries me to think this will sink further, horrible with all they good news they have, the 2.3 bgpy licensed and the 5 patents....
Yes, may the Force be with us! And thank's to all here and those like Skunk who continue to dig deep into the DD and provide info. I had too much personal problems to deal with lately and have not had much time to research except to check on the stock price, etc... and there is much talk on issues here and there, yet nothing is stopping the decline.
Sometimes I think the entire market is rigged, set up by the upper class to fleece the majority of common investors by using superior funding, trading abilities and equipment. And if we common shareholders continue to lose our investments because of a drawn out infringment case where is the justice in that, should not our losses be restored by them? What good is it to past long's who will have no share's left if they settle 2 or 3 years from now? Will they just say it's your own fault, you know how the game is played? With a revenue stream from 2.3 bgpy and 5 patents giving them the only legal system in the industry we should be rising, yet because they are still for some matter not yet able to operate at profit, still hold a significant amount of debt which is of a convertible nature and toxic to shareholders and still in an unresolved patent infringment litigation case..........
It's just that I'm about 2 yr's into my investment here and don't like the red. I kind of expected more.
But still holding. I can't afford to buy any more of this. But this could be a big one, has potential, a verdict in GERS favor would be monumental....ect.... Looks like innocent until proven guilty but there is a lot of illegal infringer oil out in the market that is not good for GERS.
90% same here, depending on dilution, shareholder support at this point is not good as it's all they used in the past. Damn shareholder support will pay for everything, including the YA loan if they keep it up. Ensuring their well being and continuation of their lifestyle while the common investors end up with nothing but losses to report. What's important here is for them to operate at profit now that they are set up and have a revenue stream, they need to downsize expenditure's to their maximum, cut whatever is not necessary, including overpaid management? How can one live in excess due to shareholder support when those very shareholders are at great nearly total losses?
Don't get me wrong this is just constructive criticism, I do have much respect for the management team here. But from the common shareholders point of view, a devalued investment, I see where the problem stem's from. To grow the asset value of the company they need to get on the track of consistent profits. And refinance that YA loan with a non dilutive one. For how many year's has this been going on? I have invested about $9 grand here since summer 2010 and today it's worth under $1 grand, Ouch! If they keep diluting and reverse splitting I, we might not have anything left.
Yet everyday they have a good meal thanks to common shareholders. I thought this might be a 10X to 50X bagger a while back, but now with the low reported revenues, inability to operate at a profit, reported losses I am worried. Worried but not shaken enough to sell so I will hold and keep faith and trust in the management team, that they will implement strategy that shows they truly have concern for the common shareholder and will guarantee growth in shareholder value. For surly to take from others for your own needs and pleasure while they suffer is selfish and greedy and in time the all seeing eye of God, the supreme spirit whose consciousness pervades all and rules over all and is in all and who know's all man's deeds, will deal justice and award all according to their works, the law of karma. Just my opinion! Go team GERS! Create some shareholder value and gain's! That should be your main goal! Is it not for any business owner, to build net value? So let's get on track and start by making it priority #1 to operate at profit, cut expenditures to the bone. Do the right thing and save the shareholders and reward them, those that have supported this company and your well being for how long? Do the right thing, for some try to ignore matters and hide their guilt under the carpet or in the closet, yet because you can run but can't hide from God, these guilty matters linger and will continue to manifest and grow like cancer. Do the right thing, get on the right track, find your wrong doing repent and repay those that suffered because of you. It's the only way to get back on the right track and feel better about yourself. It's what I believe. I'm not blaming anyone in particular here from mangement to infringers, the stock market etc.... but just in general as a rule of thumb. You reap what you sow, Karma. Peace out brothers. That $9 grand was like a year's worth of saving's for me. I have an average to below average income and do have family concerns to deal with.
I think what they should do is put priority on keeping expenditures down and yield profit quarter to quartet, the only way to build value. Now that they have a significant amount of licensees and a revenue stream.
They should cut all but the most necessary to ensure profit, and get that debt refinanced in a shareholder friendly way.....