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Time to get back to Wave folks. All the garbage is gone.
Weby, nice post. It is my opinion that if there is ever a buyout, the buyout company will wait until Wave is a proven company, with revenues and profits. No one is going to buy another company that is in the developement stage with no revenues, no one.
When we have a few hundred million in revenues than maybe, just maybe mind you, Wave might be a takeover target. But by that time we will probably be in the $20-$40 price range and with a premium on the buyout, the price will be higher.
I for one do not believe there is a buyout in the immediate future. If it's there, it is years away in my opinion.
So all the talk and rumors are just that: talk and rumors, not worth the time to type this post.
One last example and then I hope we are all on the same page.
Even thought I agree with this post, it would be deleted because it is an attack post.
Come on folks, let's play by the rules.
No more examples. Post like this will be deleted.
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Posted by: jakes_dad
In reply to: BTK who wrote msg# 12674
Date:10/4/2003 9:48:44 AM
Post #of 12693
BTK...
As far as Im concerned Barge, Doma, Awk, and Cm are without a doubt in my mind the most respected people on this thread, perhaps you need to go back and play with Trance.
I think you are way out of line, this whole rumor buyout thing is such crap. Perhaps the Ahole that started it should get tossed.
What I dont understand if ANYONE here believes Wave is being bought then WHY arent they buying ALL the stock they can get?
sicerely,
JD
Here is an example of a direct attack. I as leaving it so that you all know that posts like this will not stand.
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Posted by: BTK
In reply to: barge who wrote msg# 12608
Date:10/4/2003 5:41:09 AM
Post #of 12692
Barge needs the boot,
Failing to mention names does not mean one is not attacking.
Speculation that a very poorly capitilized company might be taken over is entirely germain to this thread.
The notion that a thinly capitilized company with supposedly explosive tech might be bought out is NEVER asinine. It is an idea that is ALWAYS on the table.
Barge should be TOSed from this thread for his "not so discreetly" attacking of decent people.
An example of a negative post in my view. Here is a post I disagree with 100%. It is not going to be deleted because I do not agree with it. It stands because it does not break any of IHUB's rules.
The post does not attack anyone, it is on topic and it stands.
It is my opinion that the post is totally wrong, but that is just my opinion.
I do not feel there is any defeatist attitude from any long holder whatsoever. I feel this poster has other interests at heart. Again, just my opinion.
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Posted by: michael usa
In reply to: None
Date:10/3/2003 11:24:16 PM
Post #of 12689
I sense a very DEFEATIST attitude here lately and that is why there is talk(hope) of a buyout.
A buyout would mean WAve is not able to play in the Trusted Computing arena by itself and it basically would be a bail-out.
This would be very bad for most here (I suspect most are holders from 2003) because Wave would get peanuts in a buyout.
It is under the gun to produce revenues before cash runs out in 1st Q /2004.
The danger here is that Deployment could be so slow that it would eat up the cash reserves in 4-5 months and then the finace people would not lend money because they might see this whole trusted computing tech as something far into the future ( a not in our lifetime scenario).
Also Microsoft could start to put the screws into the hardware makers and force them to wait for the Microsoft product in 2005-2006 and this would put Wave out in the rain entirely.
Make no mistake about it . If Microsoft smells that there are going to be huge revenues in trusted computing software it will not let anyone get close to their territory.
It will get rid of Wave in second. Wave is now like a mouse playing and strutting around because the cat's away and that is why we hear things that Trusted computing can't exist without a leading role ( almost monopolistic)by Wave.
This is all laughable. Wave has just 24 months to strut around and make some money before the boom is lowered.
The share price recently shows that investors are losing heart and doubt a quick deployement of this tech.
probably the only way to handle this situation is to trade agresively and sell into the small spikes.
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My e-mail address is snackman@ragingbull.com or you can send me a PM on this board.
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Internet I was not refering to you in my last post. In fact I thought I was posting it without answering another's post. I actually deleted it so it would not look like I was answering you. I was not. I know where you stand with Wave. I would never question your loyalty.
I thought I was making a generic post. Sorry for the confusion.
I beg to differ with many of you. The street doesn't give a rat's hind quarters whether five or ten Spragues are involved in the company. All the street cares about is success. If they (Spragues) bring success, all this noise will cease. If they don't, most won't be holding this stock anymore anyway.
So far the 'Spragues' have done a yeoman job at their positions. Wave is right in the middle of 'everything' having to do with Trust in the computer.
Don't take my word for it. Look at the TPM catalog. Look to IBM, Intel, Cubic, etc. etc.
NOTHING will make most of you happy until you see $50.00 again. When we hit $50.00 (and I believe we will) there will be more complaints about why we aren't at $100.00 yet.
There is an old saying that 'nothing is the same yet everything is the same'. The same will hold true for Wave's success. There will be more complaints, more whining, more crying. There is nothing that will make everyone happy, it's not going to happen.
Those that keep complaining about management and the Spragues have nothing better to talk about. I wonder if the HHHs or the Aleas of the world actually sit down and talk to their wives everyday. With the time they spend here, one has to wonder.
Face facts folks. This stock is going to go up and down like a yo-yo over the next 5 years. Get used to it. If you feel better whining every time it goes down a dime so be it. But don't waste this forum's time by posting a post every time that happens like DJ does. It not going to change anything. The stock is going to do what the supply and demand makes it do. Nothing said here is going to effect it one way or the other. Oh sure, some here will sell because someone says the sky is falling and others may buy because of a spike or good news, but without doing the proper DD, it happens. So you will always have someone blaming someone else for their own mistake of either buying or selling.
FWI, Wave is the real thing and it is a done deal. Believe it not, I really don't care. I believe it and that is why I am invested in Wave.
The Sprague are doing a tremendous job along with Lark Allen and many others. Things are not happening for Wave now because of luck. They are happening because of all the time and hard work they have put into this over the past few years.
While there are those of you that keep ripping them apart, they simple go on their way and plant Wave in Intel's MO, on IBM's web site and in many OEM boxes to follow beginning this quarter.
Just remember, that being on Intel's board means we are IN THE BOX. Being on the board does nothing unless it is in a CPU. That's where this is leading to folks IN THIS QUARTER, IN THE BOX.
And why is Intel including a permanent slot on their board for Wave's technology? Is it because they feel sorry for little old Wave or is it because Wave's technology is the future? And who is responsible for making it to the Intel MO? Why no one else but THE SPRAGUES.
Shame on those that belittle and smear the name of the Spragues. How would you like to see your name smeared and called a thief and a liar everyday? Those of you that stoop that low are very ignorant and sorry individuals. The Spragues deserve nothing but praise for what they have accomplished. They are in bed with the gorillas. It is not a push anymore, it's a pull. They are going to be pulling Wave's technology into the platforms that run the internet. We are in a very enviable position.
The next time one of you smear the Spragues, just think if you would like that done to you or your family. Time for many of you to grow up.
oknpv, good job. Most are ready to criticize (that's easy) but most are also to lazy to go find out the answers for themselves.
PRs, damn if you do and damn if you don't
I bet if we got a PR stating that Intel will ship 1 million board in December and Wave was to receive $1.00 a board, that SOMEONE would find fault with that PR.
Never satisfied, what a world.
P.S. We are up today, but that must be a mistake too.
Eamonnshute, it seems to me that 'trusted' computing is in the same place that seat belts and air bags were many years ago.
How many people reading this post would drive a car today without a seat belt on? I think the percentage would be less than 10% to that question. And if you are driving a car that is eight years old or newer, I would bet your car has airbags. Most might even have side airbags if your car is only 2-3 years old.
Cars are a degrading commodity, as are all CPUs, monitors, cell phones and so on. They have to be replaced at some point in time.
I believe there is a pent up demand for CPUs right now. I think you will see millions upon millions of new CPUs shipped in the next 12-24 months. More than in any 24 month period in history. This is just my feeling.
CPUs will have trusted computing, there is no question about that. WIll it be Wave's TMP, that is the question.
As we have not seen ANY OTHER COMPANY talking about a TPM with attestation, NONE. I believe Wave is sitting in the drivers seat.
Computers will be replaced. There will be TPMs in them. Business will require secure identity. Trusted services will be bought by businesses. Once people have tasted them in their work place they will require them on their home computers too. In fact, millions of people now work out of their homes for major companies. The companies will require trusted identity and services like no other time in the history of the internet.
Wave is in the middle of this new revolution, make no mistake about that.
We are now coming into Q4. This is the quarter NSM will ship, Intel will ship and, I believe, many others will ship WITH WAVE INSIDE.
Don't worry about the share price. Worry about TMPs being shipped. And they will be shipped THIS QUARTER.
We may not see the revenues from trusted services until Q1 or 2004, which will not be reported until April-May of 2004, because they will be a trailing revenue of the deployment. But we should hear what OEMs are actually shipping TPM equiped machines long before April-May.
I still think we should hear something from HP before year end. And we should hear what OEMs are buying Intel's MO with our chip on board.
Yes, things are good Awk, and the share price will eventually show that.
Those that lose sleep every night about the short term share price, should sit back and relax. Deployment is just beginning.
Tampa, since you asked, I predict HP sometime in October. Just my opinion.
miracl, Zen answered your question. Apparently no one else wants to. I believe this is the 3rd time you posted it. Please do not post it again. If someone wants to answer you they will.
$3.00 stop losses are history
wavxmaster, 'gut' feeling we will come back to the teens by closing.
I believe the MMs are loading up here. If you have a stop at $3.00 keep it mental. If you put it in with your broker the MMs will go down and take your stop out.
Wave is being accumulated at these prices in my opinion.
Cathy, nice to see you back. With you coming back on board and the Horseman, what could be sweeter?
I hope your daughter is getting better. I know it's been a very hard struggle for both of you. I wish you the best.
Snackman
2004 YES
Posted by: Larry Dudash
In reply to: Snackman who wrote msg# 11029
Date:9/20/2003 1:16:41 PM
Post #of 11156
Snackman
(1)Please delete all "my posts" from 9/15/03 to Today.
(2)Please delete all answers to "my posts".
(3)Make it like I wasn't even here.
(4)In return I promise not to post here again.
To all,
I got a PM from Larry Dudash. He is no longer posting here so there is no reason to include him in any posts as he will not be here to answer you.
Also, discussing whether a poster should or should not post here is taking up space that has nothing do to with Wave and it's partners. That is the reason we are here in the first place. WAVE.
If someone wants to leave for a day, a week or a month, there is no reason we have to discuss why he should or shouldn't do it.
This board is to discuss Wave, it's partners, it's actions in the tech world and it's future. Anything else is just not Wave.
Thanks for your co-operation.
Larry, I do not have the time or desire to go back and look for all your posts and answers to your posts. They are in the past anyway. Long forgotten. If you want them all deleted I would suggest you contact Matt.
Larry, I think in the posters opinion you may be trying to manipulate the stock. This is just his opinion. There are many here that are playing the game of manipulator, trader and momoplayer in my opinion.
You offer opinions on TA and FA. Right or wrong, maybe there are those that think what you are write is manipulative. That is just thier opinion. I wouldn't let it bother you. Heck, I have a poster sending me e-mail's of Hitler's picture.
This is an opinion board, nothing more, nothing less. Unless some is attacking another poster or is sarcastic to a point, anything goes, as long as it pertains to Wave and it's partners.
P.S. I think we have taken enough of the board's time on this subject. I do have PM as I am a paying member.
I don't see anyone saying you are committing anything. I only see a question being asked of you.
Larry, it seems to me that it was a question that only required a yes or a no answer from you.
All the 'old' Waviods here share information freely. Kevin went to IDF and came back and shared what he saw and heard. You went to IDF and come back and say you will not share. What is one to think?
I think you brought this on yourself. A simple yes or no would answer the question.
Repetive posts are not allowed.
dj, you really have to consider the other posters here. All you post about is your 'buys'. You jump all over everyone if we move down a dime and you are very happy when we move up.
Please do not use this board for 'your' manipulation of buying on all the dips. We don't need to know everytime you buy or sell Wave.
Thanks for your co-operation
Closing $3.55, the high of the day. Those that bought at $3.15- $3.20, congrats.
3.6 million shares traded at 3:00 P.M. EST
3.7 million shares traded at 3:30 P.M. EST
Looks like about 1 million shares last half hour and closing green.
What say you Larry Dudash?
How 'bout that!!! Great reversal. May even end up in the green.
Posted early this morning. May not get back to $3.40 but we will be very close.
Posted by: Snackman
In reply to: None
Date:9/17/2003 11:17:03 AM
Post #of 10474
The MMs reached down and took out all the stop losses just now. They stepped aside and let it drop, only to pick it back up a lower price.
This is a standard game for the MMs. Buy low and sell high. They just went back to fill thier inventory. Now that they have it, they will sell it at higher prices and do it all over again.
Don't place stop losses. The MMs will go get them every time. If you must have a stop loss, keep it mental, and then execute when you get there.
I expect to see $3.40 again sometime today, if not higher. We shall see.
Bluefang, I wish I could write as well as you, but I can't. I echo everything you just posted. True friends for ever.
I even think you will see things differently over that plate of crow you will be eating soon.
Blue,my friend, sarcastic and attacking posts are not allowed.
D&O, absolutely, for many years.
Barge, sorry do not agree. Trying to save someone's life is not a distraction in my opinion.
Blue, I feel sorry for you. Your health, your family and your life are in jeopardy from this investment. For you own sake I hope you reconsider and divest yourself of this investment ASAP.
Your friend,
Almost a half million shares just crossed. Nice games today
Awk, (2) 100,000 trades just took place. (I think they are the same trade however).
Someone thinks THINGS ARE GOOD.