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Dr Visser paper is FALSE!!!
I don't lost my time to post info to proof you that windtamer is a total lost of investment for everybody (Government,customer,investor,...) because this king of shape for a wind turbine have been already made in past and never have success!!! That's the facts!!! Sometime you can make product better and sometime not due to physics law simple!!! It's like i say to you to make better than a wheel!!! You can't do better because this shape is better than rectangle or other shape!!!
If you can give me a link with a private customer that publish it's power production versus wind speed that will be totally neutral, send me the link or give me it's email or phone! Because it's easy to pay someone to tell what you want to tell but it's difficult to say to a customer that have buy a windtamer and produce nothing to never say that to internet or other public system!!!
I never have seen a customer forum that public all there story about windtamer and exchange there experience like other model of wind turbine!!! Why, because they don't want that the truth is now and they tell that they make lot of new job to have money from government and when they receive they get out there new job for false reason like always it's made IN BUSINESS!
I stop to post now and you see in some month that what i tell it's the truth and you remember me and you will lost a lot of money and knowing what happening but doesn't want to see the reality! The reality is to take money from you and that's all! Don't forget that chapter11 for common stock in 99% of case mean TOTAL LOST!!!!
Hope you do your best in trading this stock...Good Luck
The "?" it's because i use Greek letter but it's not recognize and it's call "Rho" it's the density of the air:
Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air
THEY NEVER FOUND SOLUTION OF POWER PRODUCTION AND I EXPLAIN WHY!!!
This kind of wind turbine have been already made in past since more than 40 years ago!!!!Look for "wind turbine ducted" in google and you see....
The most important MISTAKE that all of you make is to calculate the power output of this kind of wind turbine ONLY use the wind speed acceleration due to the ducted form but you FORGOT the PRESSURE of the air because Power of a wind turbine use the Betz algorithm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz%27_law) and use the first law of thermodynamic "Application of conservation of mass (continuity equation)"
In resume, the power output of a wind turbine:
Power(Watt)= 0.5 x ? x S x V³ x Cp
with ? : volumetric mass of the air (1.23 kg/m³ for air at 20°C)
S : Surface of the blade (M²)
V : Wind speed at the place where the blade are (M/s)
Cp: Performance factor (betz limit=0.593, Real limit between 0.4 to 0.5)
So, you understand that in the case of WindTamer turbine the "?" is not 1.23 kg/M³ but if you increase the speed by a factor of 2 the "?" is divided by (2)³ to have the Application of conservation of mass!!!
In the Bernoulli's Principe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle) you see that "Bernoulli's principle states that for an inviscid flow, an increase in the speed of the fluid occurs simultaneously with a decrease in pressure"
In conclusion, if you can make a acceleration of a factor 4 of the wind in the ducted part of the turbine, the pressure in this place will be divided by (4)³ TOO!!! So, the energy that it result to turn the blade are exactly the same as you not have ducted turbine at ALL!!! The only advantage of this king of turbine is a less noise of the turbine due to the shape of the end of the blade and to not have turbulent wind in the ducted part but that only the advantage that can give 3 or 5 % of more power produce than a conventional wind turbine but you imagine to increasing cost that you have for just 3 or 5% of energy in more!!! It's why this king of wind turbine have been stop! But each year some people in the world think that they can make a new invention just by increase the speed of the wind with a certain shape of turbine and lot of investor but money on it and it's finish always by bankruptcy and lot of people lost money to give money to manipulator people that "sell the wind to make money but just for THEM and not for you or environmental!!!"
I hope that you understand that you must sell all your share as soon as possible because when the truth will be know by everybody it's will be to late to do that!!!
Why do you post here if you don't want to buy cheap shares! You don't hold share of this stock like your post are! So, i'm agree that what you there is some thrust but if you found this stock a bullshit, go to another forum and leave other trader free to buy or sell this stock!
WHOOO!!! +115% AND WITH BIG VOLUME!!! YOU HAVE SELL YOUR SHARE FOR ONLY 0.001 AND NOW IS 0.003??? YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE BUY YOUR SHARE FOR NOTHING!!!
why "worthless", NO OFFICIAL DOCUMENT of the confirmation hearing has been release yet and it's quote always with big volume and NO BIG DUMPING!!! They try to have your share for less than 0.001 OR EQUAL but you don't see after that the price go up after buying!!!Why? Now, nobody have good feeling here(It's time to buy) AFTER the confirmation hearing will be CANCELLED and CONFIRM -> RUMOR of a new PLAN chapter7 or other will go up the price of this stock and (It will be the time to sell!!!) Like tradersamo say to you! Wait a good time and buy more at this price to have lower your average price!!!
It's smaller volume today but reach 1.6M yet and with just -6%! Someone is buying shares very cheap until monday!!! Nasdaq is -2.8% so a very bad day and week i presume! SO, it's time to recharge with this stock price!!!
Analytical Reports on PDL BioPharma and Cell Therapeutics -- A Wave of Change
Link:
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Analytical-Reports-on-PDL-BioPharma-and-Cell-Therapeutics-A-Wave-of-Change-1302390.htm
Former Nortel COO Clarence Chandran Joins Electrovaya's Board of Directors
Link:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/former-nortel-coo-clarence-chandran-joins-electrovayas-board-of-directors-2010-08-11-61190?reflink=MW_news_stmp
Very good news
MACD MA20 is $0.0405 so you need to wait this before RECHARGE!!!
I think that some people that post here is shorting and you know him better you think!!! Look at the person here that give maximum info about this stock and remember that SELLING THE RUMOR is the best BARGAIN EVER!!!
No loading until 0.02 or 0.03 or less before lets the dump continue...
You can "LOL" but you don't give me a good new stock and you will know in the future if what i tell will arrive or not! You can put your money where you want! Pink Sheet is very dangerous but can be very bargain too, it's the game with WINNER AND LOSSER!
Good day with big volume and very little lost!!! I think this stock will go high SOON!!!!
WELL, very good day with BIG volume and +50% as high!!!
This stock will be GOING HIGH TO THE SKY!!!
Someone try to up this stock with very small buying after the truth have been posted since 2 or 3 days ago by me and other here!!! I have no share of this stock and NEVER BUY IT! It's just i have a friend of me that buy WT turbine and have lot of problem and no answer from them!!!
THE UP IS FINISH AND SPY HAVE SELL THE MAJOR PART OF THERE SHARE AND NOBODY WILL BUY MORE THIS STOCK AT THIS PRICE AND WAIT 0.02 OR 0.03 TO RECHARGE DUE TO CURRENT BAD MARKET!!!! I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HDOG WIN HERE BUT IT'S A BIG BARGAIN FOR HIM!!! YOU ARE A GREAT TRADER HDOG!!!
YES But why there is BIG volume today??? Why it's continue to trade, Why Big volume (30M) at the 07.26.10 AND WHY no big SELLING after the 07.29.10 and stock NEVER go UNDER $0.001!!!
I think there something new or NEW PLAN and it's can be another than CHAPTER7 but they sell all there asset but to a private company and IT's FLEETWOOD company here! A big monster in House, So i see that they plan to buy there asset after the plan and restart there business and they just sell there asset to have money to pay debt and the old stock will be change to a new one with 1/3 or 2/3 of old stock change to new one!!! It's already happen for others "xxxxQ" stock and WITHOUT any OFFICIAL PAPER of the CONFIRMATION HEARING ALL IS POSSIBLE!!! But Volume and BIG UP SPEAK themselves!!!
BANK OF AMERICA HAVE REJECTED THE PLAN SO THEY HAVE REJECTED THE CONFIRMATION HEARING AND CHAPTER11 PLAN WILL BE CANCELED AND CHANGE TO CHAPTER7 SO COMMON SHARES CAN BE SAFE !!!!
Proof:
http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0914254/0914254100726000000000002.pdf
In pdf=page44 document=page38
BofA Objection. Bank of America (“BofA”) filed an objection to the Plan [Docket No.
2370], whereby BofA objected to the proposed treatment of the Secured Parties under the
Plan and asserting that (i) the Secured Parties would receive less under the Plan than they
would in a Chapter 7 liquidation (in part due to projected recoveries to First American in
the adversary proceeding) and (ii) the Plan is not fair and equitable. The BofA Objection
was just filed on July 20, 2010, and remains unresolved as of the filing of this
Memorandum.
AFTER THAT:
Finally, the BofA Objection raises issues related to the
resolution of the First American adversary proceeding. As with the First American Objection, the
BofA Objection should not hold Plan confirmation and distributions thereunder hostage until the
adversary proceeding is resolved.
So they doesn't care about the objection of BofA because they should hold the Plan confirmation and distributions thereunder hostage until the adversary proceeding is resolved and SO THEY REFUSE THE CONFIRMATION HEARING AT 07.39.10 but we have no document yet to confirm that but that mean the CHAPTER 11 GO TO CHAPTER7 that CHANGE ALL FOR common share and FLTWQ CONTINUE TO TRADE A BIG TIME NOW until the new plan will be finish!!!
IT'S CHAPTER 11 HERE BUT bank of america have refuse the plan but juge have decide to go at the confirmation hearing to see what happen and NO OFFICIAL DOCUMENT PROOF THAT IT'S ACCEPTED and If it will accepted the stock must STOP TO QUOTE since 07.29.10 and Bank of America have ask to change the plan to chapter 7!!!! So, if you change the plan you change ALL and COMMON TOO!!! Look the big volume the monday after they said that 300,000,000 common shares will be at the market to $0.01!! After that you have +1000% and volume go to 30M!!!
I think the huge today is that there is yet NO OFFICIAL document of the confirmation hearing and a lot of people buy very cheap now and all trader will be inform of that in some day but the price will 0.008 or 0.009 and i think it's a very good week to buy before the BIG UP that will occur soon!!!
CONFIRMATION HEARING IS "(Continued)" and normally we must have official document yet since 07.29.10 in PACER about the confirmation but nothing!!! That mean that Bank of America refuse the confirmation and ask to go on a CHAPTER7 then the 11 actual!!!
Look the link -> http://www.kccllc.net/Fleetwood
Last documents since confirmation hearing:
1)http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0914254/0914254100805000000000005.pdf
2)http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0914254/0914254100805000000000006.pdf
3)http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0914254/0914254100805000000000007.pdf
WOOOOH +50% WITH BIG BUYING VOLUME!!! 6M IN THE FIRST HOUR!!!!
SOMETHING IS PREPARING HERE!!!! I TELL YOU THAT IT'S JUST START!!!
THE ARGUMENT IS:
FOR reach 2.8 more power than conventional turbine you MUST have wind speed at 11m/s at if you decrease the wind speed you decrease the factor 2.8 with the cubic of the difference between 11 m/s and the new wind speed!!! It's not important 2.8 at this speed because it's represent just a very little percentage of time per year of area with a such speed (2 or 3% of time using Weibull factor of 2)!!! I think you have read the link with the Weibull distribution and it's never explain anywhere in the windtamer website this distribution and roughness too!!!! Very strange for a company that said there have the BEST SOLUTION for wind turbine!!!! You are agree that the ratio of more energy produce by windtamer reach just 78% more than conventional for 3m/s! So, you can't produce more energy than the wind can give or it's a over unit turbine and you know that it's impossible for engineering person that have study the 4 rules of thermodynamic: the most important is "conservation of energy"!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
ALL OF THE GRAPHICAL OF ANNUAL POWER CURVE in fact are THEORETICAL by calculate how many watts produce of a FIXED wind speed(for example 5 m/s in wind tunnel) during ALL THE TIME!!! That's mean to reach there electrical production you must have such wind (5 m/s) during 24H/24H for each 365 days of the year!
SO IT'S TOTALLY FALSE AND TOTALLY HOAX!!!!
For the link you give with the Mister Visser it's write:
"WindTamer’s original turbine, analyzed with a wind speed of 5 meters per second, was not remarkable at first, Moeller said. But a redesign that tapered and twisted the turbine’s blades resulted in total energy outputs — taking into account power needed to run the system — that reached 80 percent of the wind’s kinetic energy, well beyond the 59.3 percent Betz Limit."
But they not have redesign the turbine yet and just change the paint color in blue and it's not just in tapered and twisted the turbine’s blades that you reach to transform 80% of wind’s kinetic energy to electricity wink
You know that windtamer is below the Betz limit because Mr Visser use the inlet diameter with the increase wind speed than the real wind speed outside the turbine and of course if you have more speed you have very more power because of the cube coefficient but if you use the outside wind speed and the outside ducted diameter you see you are under the Betz limit and very under!
That's THE MISTAKE MADE BY LOT OF PEOPLE and Mr Visser too!!! It's not clever to say such think with it's degree and ALL mechanical or aeronautical engineer know that it's not possible to beat the Betz limit since 1919 and it's not Windtamer with just a few engineer than can untruth that rules!!! You know that all engineer in the world dream to beat Best Limit or would like make a overunit system but RULES ARE RULES because you can use it for calculation for so many application and verify in reality the number you have in theoretical and IT'S CORRESPOND!!!
Ducted wind turbine is not new at all, lot of another company have try to made better system than conventional but HAVE FAIL!!! Why? Because you can produce more energy but the system cost more to reach that and cost more for maintenance or installation!!! If ducted wind turbine is THE solution you understand that you see all over the world BIG DUCTED WIND TURBINE than the 3 blades conventional because the conventional design is the BEST RATIO PRICE/ENERGY!!!
If you want to change that you must produce a wind turbine that the cost less than 2500$ to produce 1000 Kw/year and you have a very WIN/WIN WIND TURBINE because the big wind turbine have a price of 1800$ to 2000$ for 1000 Kw/year and you have Thousand and thousand of them all over the world just for that reason!!!
The only solution for windtamer is to increase the SPEED by a ratio of 4 to 5 and so the POWER by a ratio of 64 to 125 to produce enough energy with there actual design but they need to redesign all and make new test and spend a lot of money for that and i don't think they can do that technically and because more and more customer understand the HOAX here and investor too SOON (look the actual price of the stock that explain a lot!!!) and they go to bankruptcy if they don't sell there actual product for -40% of there actual price or just the price of production to have the time to find new fund to change all the design but i think is to late for that because if you lie to customer one time they never trust you a second time!!! Sorry IT'S OVER HERE!!!
Link to others ducted wind turbine design that are similar of windtamer but no more interesting due to price or electrical production or maintenance price or installation price and they all have patent design but very similar design, it's very funny how many people have invest money to hoax:
http://www.elenaenergie.com/index.php?lang=en
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21737/
http://realneo.us/Micro-Wind-Turbines
http://mgx.com/blogs/2007/06/26/distributed-wind-energy-and-public-utilities/
NEWS: 3 Notices of transfers
1)http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0914254/0914254100805000000000005.pdf
2)http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0914254/0914254100805000000000006.pdf
3)http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0914254/0914254100805000000000007.pdf
CONFIRMATION HEARING IS "(Continued)" look the link -> http://www.kccllc.net/Fleetwood
Well I'm agree that in the case of wind speed of 11m/s windtamer can reach 2.8 more power than conventional turbine but it's not important because it's represent just a very little percentage of time per year of area with a such speed (2 or 3% of time using Weibull factor of 2)!!! I think you have read the link with the Weibull distribution and it's never explain anywhere in the windtamer website this distribution and roughness too!!!! Very strange for a company that said there have the BEST SOLUTION for wind turbine!!!! You are agree that the ratio of more energy produce by windtamer decrease by slow wind and reach just 78% more than conventional for 3m/s! So, you can't produce more energy than the wind can give or it's a over unit turbine and you know that it's impossible for engineering person that have study the 4 rules of thermodynamic: the most important is "conservation of energy"!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics
ALL OF THE GRAPHICAL OF ANNUAL POWER CURVE in fact are THEORETICAL by calculate how many watts produce of a FIXED wind speed(for example 5 m/s in wind tunnel) during ALL THE TIME!!! That's mean to reach there electrical production you must have such wind (5 m/s) during 24H/24H for each 365 days of the year!
SO IT'S TOTALLY FALSE AND TOTALLY HOAX!!!!
For the link you give with the Mister Visser it's write:
"WindTamer’s original turbine, analyzed with a wind speed of 5 meters per second, was not remarkable at first, Moeller said. But a redesign that tapered and twisted the turbine’s blades resulted in total energy outputs — taking into account power needed to run the system — that reached 80 percent of the wind’s kinetic energy, well beyond the 59.3 percent Betz Limit."
But they not have redesign the turbine yet and just change the paint color in blue and it's not just in tapered and twisted the turbine’s blades that you reach to transform 80% of wind’s kinetic energy to electricity
You know that windtamer is below the Betz limit because Mr Visser use the inlet diameter with the increase wind speed than the real wind speed outside the turbine and of course if you have more speed you have very more power because of the cube coefficient but if you use the outside wind speed and the outside ducted diameter you see you are under the Betz limit and very under!
That's THE MISTAKE MADE BY LOT OF PEOPLE and Mr Visser too!!! It's not clever to say such think with it's degree and ALL mechanical or aeronautical engineer know that it's not possible to beat the Betz limit since 1919 and it's not Windtamer with just a few engineer than can untruth that rules!!! You know that all engineer in the world dream to beat Best Limit or would like make a overunit system but RULES ARE RULES because you can use it for calculation for so many application and verify in reality the number you have in theoretical and IT'S CORRESPOND!!!
Ducted wind turbine is not new at all, lot of another company have try to made better system than conventional but HAVE FAIL!!! Why? Because you can produce more energy but the system cost more to reach that and cost more for maintenance or installation!!! If ducted wind turbine is THE solution you understand that you see all over the world BIG DUCTED WIND TURBINE than the 3 blades conventional because the conventional design is the BEST RATIO PRICE/ENERGY!!!
If you want to change that you must produce a wind turbine that the cost less than 2500$ to produce 1000 Kw/year and you have a very WIN/WIN WIND TURBINE because the big wind turbine have a price of 1800$ to 2000$ for 1000 Kw/year and you have Thousand and thousand of them all over the world just for that reason!!!
The only solution for windtamer is to increase the SPEED by a ratio of 4 to 5 and so the POWER by a ratio of 64 to 125 to produce enough energy with there actual design but they need to redesign all and make new test and spend a lot of money for that and i don't think they can do that technically and because more and more customer understand the HOAX here and investor too SOON (look the actual price of the stock that explain a lot!!!) and they go to bankruptcy if they don't sell there actual product for -40% of there actual price or just the price of production to have the time to find new fund to change all the design but i think is to late for that because if you lie to customer one time they never trust you a second time!!! Sorry IT'S OVER HERE!!!
I think it's not possible yet to produce a such wind turbine with correct price and we need a totally different design to reach that but lot of engineer work around and i hope they found a solution soon because OIL is OUT but everybody knowing that but have no alternative for car yet but for house they must use the cheapest solution and nuclear electricity is the solution because no under control CO2 pollution in the air but a control one that is very dangerous and have very long lifetime but THE PROBLEM OF THE WOLD IS NOW THE INCREASE OF TEMPERATURE and not the radioactive pollution and no other alternative yet!!!
In resume, you must wait a better design and use your nuclear electricity until best solution clean and cheapest than nuclear appear in the future. Solution can be A BIG SOLAR TOWER in desert or wind turbine in 3000 feet altitude but how to send and stock the electricity for all over the world!!!
The only solution it's each family in the world must produce there own energy without any transport and direct use it without any stocking THAT's the solution and USE VERY LESS ENERGY IT'S THE ONLY WAY, CHANGE YOUR HABIT each day because 50% of the energy consume in the world are consume not by automotive or industry but by FAMILY HOUSE!!!! It's amazing to know that because every body think that they can't change anything of what it's happen but if everybody take care to consume less energy and use heat pump or heat panel than oil to have warm water you can resolve the problem of THE CLIMATIC CHANGE!!!
I think THIS FINANCIAL CRISIS is the first part to reduce the pollution problem due to decrease of industry and buying power and everybody must understand that he must change it's habit or hurricane and heat wave and volcanic eruption and earthquake will be increase by 2,4,8,16 each year and hope that in 2012 the HUMAN understand that it can't continue to live like that and don't think of the future of there children!!!
In 2012 is the end of a cycle for a new one and not the end of the world!!! I hope after 2012, the human take more care of the world where they live and live in harmony with nature and have better live condition!!!
I hope that I'm not the only one that thinking that and maximum people hope that too!!! Why to earn lot of money if you can't use it because there will be soon no place in the world that are safe to live!!! The actual BP black tide must be a important SIGNAL to stop OIL and found alternative with electric car but how to produce all the electrical energy for all the car of the world? Answer= By produce it's own electrical energy using all the free and no pollutant energy like solar,wind,water,ground heat,hydrogen,...
Link to others ducted wind turbine design that are similar of windtamer but no more interesting due to price or electrical production or maintenance price or installation price and they all have patent design but very similar design, it's very funny how many people have invest money to hoax:
http://www.elenaenergie.com/index.php?lang=en
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21737/
http://realneo.us/Micro-Wind-Turbines
http://mgx.com/blogs/2007/06/26/distributed-wind-energy-and-public-utilities/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10291704-54.html
Have good trade and hope that this few lines can change the idea of some people to consume less energy and invest in company that sell not just WIND but real invention that are WIN WIN for nature and human!!!
THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT WINDTURBINE DESCRIBE BY A EXPERT IN WINDTURBINE:
1)ALL the wind turbine's manufacturer(WINDTAMER TOO) use FIXED wind speed to have a virtual production of electricity THAT'S THE FIRST ERROR!!! YOU MUST USE THE WEIBULL DISTRIBUTION using a factor of 2 as default!
Look this link to better understand:
http://www.reuk.co.uk/Wind-Speed-Distribution-Weibull.htm
2)ALL the wind turbine's manufacturer(WINDTAMER TOO) a power curve without explain clearly how they have the data and in what environment! Often they uniform there data to the sea altitude at 15 degree celsius -> IT'S A IDEAL SITUTATION AND NOT BE USE FOR YOUR REAL AERA!!! You must use data using a coefficient depending of your rugosity and altitude and average temperature!!!
WIKI ABOUT SITING A WINDTURBINE:
http://guidedtour.windpower.org/en/tour/wres/shear.htm
I THINK INVESTORS IN WIND TURBINE COMPANY MUST READ ALL INFO OF THIS LINK FOR BEST UNDERSTANDING HOW IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE ELECTRICITY BY WIND!!!
*SIMPLE EXPLAIN:
http://guidedtour.windpower.org/composite-106.htm
*PRO EXPLAIN: http://guidedtour.windpower.org/en/tour/wres/index.htm
WHAT IS THE INNOVATION OF WINDTAMER VS NORMAL WIND TURBINE:
They have build a design to accelerate the wind speed that go on the blade AND NOTHING MORE THAN COMMON WIND TURBINE!!!
PROBLEM OF WINDTAMER TURBINE:
1°They use more than 3 blades to have faster starting rotation of the turbine but when wind speed are >= 5 m/S you have much more brake of the wind and have a big reduction of rentability of the wind turbine!!! WHY ALL BIG WIND TURBINE IN THE WORLD HAVE 3 BLADES ONLY!!! IT'S BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST RATIO POSSIBLE!!!
2°To compare windtamer than other turbine you must use the diameter of the blade of common wind turbine and NOT THE diameter of the ducted aera BUT THE INLET SWEPT AERA USING THE ACCELERATION OF WIND PRODUCTED DUE TO DESIGN!!!
ex: WindTamer model 8.0 versus common wind turbine with diameter of the blade = 8':
P= 1/2 * Ro * v³ * PI * r²
Where
P = the power of the wind measured in W (Watt).
Ro = (rho) = the density of dry air = 1.225 measured in kg/m 3 (kilogrammes per cubic metre, at average atmospheric pressure at sea level at 15° C).
v = the velocity of the wind measured in m/s (metres per second).
PI = constant value = 3.1415926535...
r = the radius (i.e. half the diameter) of the rotor measured in m (metres).
WITH 3 m/s of wind speed in 15°c and Sea level!!!:
1/2 * Ro * PI= 1.9242
r = 1/2 * 8' but in metres unit it's 1.2991 m
a = acceleration of the wind in the windtamer design(20% to 30%)= 1.2 to 1.3 but here we use the worst 1.2 case to represente reality!!!
Pcommon = 1.9242 * (1.2991)² * (3)³
= 87.68 Watts
Pwindtamer= 1.9242 * (1.2991)² * (3*a)³
= 1.9242 * (1.2991)² * (3 * 1.2)³
= 151.51 Watts
You have near 73% of more energy produce than conventional design but the design of windtamer turbine cost the double more than a common wind turbine of 8' diameter BUT PRODUCE MORE ENERGY!
But if you take all the paramater to have the real wind that change all the time and the price of Kw are the most important think too!!!
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT 3 DIFFERENTS CUSTOMERS OF WINDTAMER CAN HAVE DIFFERENCE OF PRODUCTION BY A RATIO OF 2,4,8 LESS DEPENDING OF THE WIND!!! SO, THE DESIGN IS GOOD BUT YOU MUST HAVE BIGGER TOWER THAT WHAT THEY SAID IN THERE PAPER TO HAVE MORE POWER PRODUCE THEN CONVENTIONAL BUT YOU INCREASE YOUR TOTAL PRICE TOO!!!
SO THE ONLY IMPORTANT PARAMETER IS THE PRICE OF KW!!! I THINK THAT THE PRICE IS NOT SO EXPENSIVE YET TO INVEST IN SUCH WINDTURBINE BUT IN 4 OR 5 YEARS YES BUT GOUVERNEMENT CAN CANCEL ALL HELPING FUND SO YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM TOO!!!
THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR WINDTAMER TO HAVE SUCCESS AND NOT GO TO BANKRUTION IS TO DIMINUE THE PRICE BY 30% TO 40% OF THE ACTUAL PRICE AND THAT CAN BE A BARGAIN FOR THEM AND FOR COMMON SHARES AND CUSTOMER BUT YET IT'S JUST UTOPY TO BUY THERE PRODUCTS OR OTHER WIND TURBINE BECAUSE ALL WINDTURBINE IS TO EXPENSIVE VERSUS THE PRICE OF KW NOW EVEN IF YOU TAKE THE FREE TAX REFUND THAT YOU CAN HAVE IN US!!!
LOOK WWW.SKYSTREAMENERGY.COM THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PRICE IS CHEAPER BUT PRODUCE VERY LESS ELECTRICITY!!! You don't have a company yet in the world that have made the best ratio INSTALLED PRICE/KW PRODUCE!!! For me the best all inclusive price is 2500$/1000 KW produce and windtamer must cost for the 8.0 GT version and from
5m/s aera(that represent most people aera) no less than 10,500.00$
to
7m/s aera(that represent a very little people aera) no less than 18,575.00$
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE ACTUAL PRICE IS JUST FOR > 7M/s customer only AND NO OTHER!!!!
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE INVEST IN A COMPANY THAT HAVE NO FUTUR IF THEY DON'T REDUCE THE PRICE!!!!
I HOPE THAT I CAN OPEN EYES OF LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND I SPEAK FOR ALL WINDTURBINE COMPANY HERE AND NOT JUST WINDTAMER!!!
GOOD TRADING BY KNOWING WHERE YOU PUT YOUR MONEY!!!
NO BAD WEEK AND NEVER HAVE STOCK UNDER 0.001 AND REACH 0.005 ONE DAY AND NO BIG SELLING HAVE BEEN SEEN SINCE 07.29.10 AND CONTINUE TO TRADE!!! VERY STRANGE FOR A STOCK THAT NORMALY MUST BE STOP AND A COMMON SHARE LOST!!! NO OFFICIAL PAPER YET OF THE CONFIRMATION HEARING!!!! I THINK IT CAN BE SOON A NEW BIG UP, PERHAPS MONDAY
Of course i understand that but i would like just give my idea that better to have lot of small gain than just big one and take the risk to keep share for next week without knowing what will happen clearly!!!
GO TO THIS LINK TO LEARN TRADING "Q" STOCK:
http://www.timothysykes.com/2010/08/all-the-hot-penny-stocks-you-shouldve-traded-already-today/
Look this link about COMMON SHARES DILUTION:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=52979009
THANKS FOR THE LINK I'LL INVEST SOME $ TO HAVE A ACCOUNT NOW!!!
YES it's FLY like flies that think this stock go to $3 soon and don't sell anything!!! 2 weeks ago this stock have no value $0.003 and some trader have make some stock of 1.000.000 shares for pennies and they use that soon you have soon result of the balance of this stock but it's a chapter11 with a "Q" stock so from 0.0003 it's 40000% of profit in 2 weeks! SO I DON'T YOU BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS BARGAIN I THINK IT'S THE TIME TO SELL AND LIKE YOU SEE IN THE LAST HOUR OF TRADE IT'S MORE SELLING THAN BUYING!!! TOMORROW IT'S FRIDAY SO IT'LL BE A SELLING DAY AND DON'T FORGET THAT WHEN THE NEW STOCK ARRIVE WITHOUT "Q" YOU SHARES WILL BE ONLY 33% OF YOUR CURRENT SHARES IF YOUR OLD SHARES WILL BE CONVERT!!! THIS STOCK CAN FLY BUT TOMORROW WILL BE NO SO EASY THEN THE LAST 2 DAYS AND YOU WILL BE FRUSTRATED THAT DON'T HAVE SELL TODAY!!!
The fleetwood company is not finish yet, it's just start!!! I know that is not good at the moment but the confirmation hearing is not officially accepted and PE HAVE BASE THERE INFO JUST ABOUT TALKING WITH SOME PEOPLE IN THE COURT BUT CAN HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKE!!! Bank of America have refused the 07.23.10 the plan so i hope that the chapter11 go to chapter7 and FLTWQ can quote and have a futur like VISTEON!!! RV has been sold to a private company but you think that stay in private long time? I think that Fleetwood buy there RV asset and restart work when there finish the plan!!! I respect you and your 6 year experience but don't think that i'm a flying wink
YES and no big selling volume yet and i have the reply from PE and the info about that what is writing is just what there hear in the court from juge and other person but NO OFFICIAL DOCUMENT HAVE BEEN GIVE YET!!! TRADING CONTINUE!!! STANGE!!!!
Well i hope to every body to have a big bargain with this stock BUT as soon as the OFFICIAL PAPER ARRIVE as soon as we know the thruth about this stock!!! Good trade to you HDOGTX and very good work to you because to have this result it's must take a lot of time but i hope you have the profit that you expected!!!
English is not my first language so sorry for my bad writing!!!
I notice your advise and take care about that for new post!
Strange that the info that JUST 33% of the OLD SHARE will be convert into NEW ONE from has been deleted from gonzilee!!!
I think that mean that the truth of the hoax will be not tell until spyder sell share to flyer
I'm just a spyder like you )
Read the link that HDOGTX write about trading "Q" stock! VERY HELPFULL to undersand how many post he made about this stock and you understand that a lot of flyer have been stolen today!!!
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It's a HOAX THIS STOCK!!! Lot of people in this forum tell you to buy but they need you to get there profit because they buy at 0.003 or 0.009 and today they sell there share and at the end of this week this stock will finish in red and all shareholder won't receive anything like ALL BK company because in chapter11 COMMON STOCK IS ALWAYS CANCELLED but some exception like VISTEON(VSTNQ) but like you see it's ALWAYS A "Q" stock and of course you can hope that QSGIQ go like this but if they plan to change the name soon you need to sell maximum shares soon if you plan to win something here!!!!!
cotation stop!!! why!!! They are going to change the name???
Fleetwood add a big dealer yesterday!!!!
link:
http://www.rvbusiness.com/2010/08/fleetwood-adds-virginias-largest-dealer/