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Of those 11 Joint ventures with Cornerstone does anyone know how many became mines and how many are or have produce revenue? I had always wondered but never seen anything regarding what happen after the JV deals and how long they took to progress.
I think if they pay a cash dividend that would be down the road and come from revenues from any joint venture we establish in the future, but that would be years away since you have to have a working mine and profits.
Seems to me a round about way to do it also. If the idea is to get off pinky land and BVIG is about there then once it is there could they then merge with KATX and then both would then be one company again. Off course, I thought the idea was to split them into a Gold and a cooper co. and have two companies and increase boths value and make both BB stocks. If the goal is to get listed on the NAZ or AMEX then it might make more sense.
BTW, I have an over .16 average. I was the one that bought at .0872 and .0871 which they gave me for about 2k today and my average in that account is down half a penny. I was not going to pay up to HSDN and I slapped the ask up to .23 and down 50% so I refuse to pay up and they can sell down. Long and strong over 600K shares not counting the 'free' ones. Good luck to all longs.
Don't smoke, but buying BVIG now is just stupid IMHO. If they free up the shares what do you think happens it goes up? No way unless they have phase 2 results. Folks will sell it down and short it just like they have KATX. Look the same MM on that board. Shares will not be fully valued until phase 2 results and hopefully a JV. If it is not mineable then it is pretty much worth next to nothing would'nt you agree?
Agreed I could comfortable live on the 5% also. Let's hope it does not take as long as OD to prove out and get to our 5% price. It sure makes .08 look like a better deal looking at it that way, but like you said it is pur speculation and just a mind game at this point. Let's hope this is the mother lode and we all become millionaires some day!
Becuase there are no other bids and asks. On level 2 it showed .21 -.51, but early on the .51 was not posted. There are just not many shares and I would not touch this until it freely trades because as soon as it does many will dump and run and it will be unstable. Better to wait and buy after it settles. Unless HC is mineable you might not see .75.
Yes, consolidate and possible get to .30. I never said he said it would hit $3 this year, but many here did and some as much as $163. All sort of numbers bantered about. I like ERock post and think he's more grounded in the truth and not a pump and dump trader like many of the so called longs that always have and endless supply of money to buy because they trade in and out. Makes it to where you have to filter out the pumpers and bashers. Problem is being new to the stock many (like me) bought up to .23 and now are big time underwater. Well, good luck to all longs and may we be rewarded for our patience and ulcers!
I have looked at all the DD. It was touted by many that we would be worth $163 a share with RR. Many touted $3 within 6 months and yada yada. Now I thought most were out of their mind and just pump and dumpers but these were some of the same guys that post day after day and I guess everyone gets 'gold fever' a bit. If I had thought this might only hit .30 by year end I probably would not have bought, but now .30 looks great since I'm at .168 on average. Between all the hype and bashers it is hard to know what to believe. I do know that many so called longs play both sides. I also know Ken is human and may have some of the same faults as many of us have with seeing things as we wish them to be but not how they really are. Well, holding and avaeraging down in hopes RR is all that and a bag of chips and KATG turns out good enough after the next drill to JV GLTU
It is a catch 22 for sure. I will try to average down and hope that helps on the next run up. I was hoping it would at least see .40 so I could sell 200K shares and pay off the mortgage and be debt free at least this year. I could have on the run to .25 but got stupid and held.
I see ERock is back on KATX. I think he's one of the more reasonable poster but a bit depressing to read. Just now he sees us at .30 with good results by year end and many called for 10X that by year end. I think the hype that got me and other pumped to buy up to the high has really hurt many investors here. Many have bailed and lost money and that's sad because many friends and family convinced them to buy. I have over a 50% loss at this point like Pooter. Limited cash to try and bring down the average. I can hold and don't have to have the cash at this point but it surely sucks going from looking at 6 figures in one account to in the 30k range in just 3 months. I hope one of of properties hits it big. I bought for the $3+. It was touted with this law firm showing examples of each of their clients hitting $2-$3 in six months. THen all the comparison with massive finds and RR. Expectations were high and now reality maybe saying otherwise. Hoping for the best.
Either someone dumped a big amount and went through all the buys or it was a false wall and they saw a stop removed the wall and hit it. I do not have level 2 that shows the actual shares amounts just the generic 5000 shares.
Steve
THere were 7 MM's at on on .08 and .081. Either some one put in a market order and dumped and blew through them or they all took off their buys and let it fall. Looks very fishy to me.
Steve
Yes, then you have to make the decision to sell some and take profits or let it ride. What do you think the chances are we see .40 as some predicited earlier before this year is over?
Yes, and look at this REE stock that is a pinky.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=UURAF.PK+Historical+Prices
from .02 to .54 since July. Here's a bigger name gone wild
MCP http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=MCP+Historical+Prices
This is a larger company that has also taken off. If they start pricing KATX for it's REE then add copper, gold and silver it could really take off.
Interesting more in regard to KATX, but I used my one post.
http://www.techmetalsresearch.com/
Look at the amount of copper China is importing. Now with their cutback on REE elements. I think you add both the cpooer and REE together and RR has huge potential. REE stocks have gone wild this year. If we get press regarding the REE we could see a 500% increase just on that news like many other pink sheet stocks have that are not as far along as we are!
Well, with no news and the MM's holding the stock in a range you will need a boat load of volume to move the stock. HDSN is again sitting to sell. The short is lower at around 30%. Now if Ken has a bombshell to drop on the shorts that would be nice. I suspect we stay in this range until we get closer to the the actual drill results from RR. Them starting drilling may give us a bump, but I don't expect much until we get close to the result date. In other news. RRE stocks are going crazy. If we can prove not only large cooper,gold,silver, but RRE then things could really get interesting. Here's a recent article I found. You can see what happened to some small REE companies.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/167794-3-mining-stocks-to-hedge-china-s-rare-earth-policies
Steve
Still wondering about that ASian market we were rumored to be going on. Nothing and you would think since we need volume that may help, but if we cannot handle the manipulation here how can we there? Funny, TDA said I could not buy shares until next Tues. So I put in a bid and it took, but when I tried to cancel and increase it they said I could not because the stock is not marginable. I have no other stock besides KATX in that account. Very weird.
That is a large land mass. While I understand what Gump says it seems kind of misleading. We are not taking random nuggest in these sample, but mineralization between the holes dug in a large area. There is still potential more, much more to to found. All we can do either way is wait since we do not have shares to trade so just as well be patient. If the shares come before the next results and people wish to sell fine. They wll be proven very smart or very dumb based on the final results. I'm hanging in there see see what happens and basing my bet on Ken and not Gump since Ken has the experience and group of top notch Geologist.
That is because many are tapped out or to the point they no longer wish to chase if hDSN and the other MM are just going to walk it up, short and then down again and again. Let them play with themselves and when we get news they have to cover. Just sick of playing their game. About time they play ours.
This is to Dggfish reagrding his post on KATX since I cannot post there but once and used it up. This is regarding his conspiracy theory. Daggfish do yoo dent that this same board was used in the past to P&D? Do you not see the large short every day as a percentage of trades? You know you can short this stock but who would when you have to put up a huge chunk to cover an unlimited risk especially on a naked short? That's right the MM. Now who here is a pure MM and not retail only? Do you deny the run up, short at the high and walk down pattern almost every day for weeks on end? Do you not see the post from traders talking this down and using charts as a price point? I know we have quite a few here that trade in and out yet are always gun ho. Funny how some that deny such a thing could even be part of the game. Funnier that all the experienced traders would be so naive.
Sure debate is good, but in an area like mining which is foreign to 98% of investors here we have limited experts on the board and any information here is suspect. So, you either trust posters on a board or management and their experts. Mgt. feels HC is good enough to continue to spend money on and drill. I'll side with mgt. right or wrong and hope for the best understanding they are human and this is an art and science it seems.
Now manipulation is another thing. In the past some have used boards and private messaging to collude with others to manipulate a stock. If this is done with the assistance of a MM it is evn more insidious. If you do not believe me do a Google search on this one and see what you get. This kind of activity robs you and me of our money and must be stopped. It is wrong if is done by basher or pumpers, but I expect the same folks play both sides depending on their trades. Most will walk up a stock and pump and then short and then walk it back down and cover. This is what has been down from .25 to where we are now. If anyone has inside information about those doing this please contract Finra whistleblowers site. There probaly is a reward involved.
No not yet and it maybe a while. Jack recently stated it will be sooner than the six month restriction, but it will take some time. It is my opinion, an opiniononly, that they made a mistake not having trading shares ready with the news. Maybe they held off this time to allow for future drill results before opening this up. That would make sense, but not sure the masses will want to wait that long. I think the price will go down either way even with little float since there is little news to be had for now. Once issued you will have those that take the money and run and those that hold to see results assuming they are not out at about the same time. Let's hope HC brings a ray of sunshine into our lives.
I see the BVIG share are heading down despite little shares being out there. I tried to warn people not to buy until after we got our shares as most likely it will head down unless they are released with stellar news. I'm thinking the shares will most likely be here before the second drill results. I expect some to sell and try to drive it lower and buy back on the cheap. Off course good news and a JV will send it back up. It would be a nice Christmas present to see this at $3!
NOt happy with the price, but pretty happy that the copany is proceding on both sites this year. BTW Go DAWGS!
Well, since it is that limited I guess it won't take long once it starts what are we talking about maybe 2 days a hole? Add 4-6 weeks for results and who knows 2 months might do it. Hopefully, it will be so outstanding that we can sign a major JV at a 50\50 split.
That maybe a bit early. Since RR has not even selected a driller yet and it seems to take at least 2-3 months to drill I see that as being very optimistic. Seems things move a lot slower in this business between government red taped, ground work, possible weather and road conditions, equipment problems and the like. Good thing is they are both on the slate to get done and maybe if we are lucky they will be done by year end. Either way we either gut it out and not worry about what is out of our control, which seems to be both the market and company timing, or bail. As painful as it is I' holding in hopes for better times. All the $3 by September hype I think is Dead now. Maybe by this time next year we see these kinds of prices if we are successful. Given may choice of only one I'd like KATX at $3 since I own 4X the amount of shares. GL to all longs and screw the flippers, pimps, liars, cheat and MM's that manipulate this stock!
I think Jack was spaking for both. I just do not think they have the resources to do both at the same time at this point at least depite them being separate companies.
Do you realy think so? The MM's will do the same with it. THe BB stocks are just a slight step above pinkies. There will be a flush of shares from those wanting it all now which will crush the price IMHO. Then it will gradually come back as they drill. Now if they find we can mine it we are in good shape depending on the results maybe we see .50 to $5.00 who knows. If not, it will have worthless paper until they move Twilight and then we do it all over again.
Heck- I have been literally cut in half plus a bit. So what to do? I guess I can try to muster up some cash and try to reduce my average or just stay put and not look at this as much because it cannot be good for your health. I won't live long enough to take all the losses I have since I have no gains to go against. Does between a rock and hard place sound about right? I sure as hell hope they have something or I might just go postal!
Looks like the MM will keep a stranglehold on us and they will continue their allowing to run and then short and walk down routine. Amazing that the SEC and FINRA just let blatant stock manipulation to continue to rob small shareholders, but I guess since they allow big players to flash trade and ping the prices and front run, which is illegal, they don't care about us little guys. I do wonder how much is going into their pockets to just look the other way or are they just that too stupid and lazy?
It is depressing having good news sold off in a matter of a few hours like it never happened. All it did was suck in some and allow the short to cover, ride it up and short again at the high. Thing is if people don't see a way to win no matter the news why even try. It is like bend over and enjoy it this time. This really sucks for all the good folks that got sucked in and rec. this to friends and family. Let's hope we hit pay dirt and this nightmare ends.
WEll, that is because there are not many shares that can be sold. They have not transferred our shares into our accounts. I'm sure once that happen there will be some action. If you want action go to KATX.pk and you can play in the daily pump and dump game they seem to play there.
We will see what the results bring us in a few months. Hopefully, why we all bought into KATX. It is the mother of all risk because a big hit means riches and a miss will mean disaster if the crown property flakes out. It is not an all or none, but pretty close. I wonder if Hudson is trading and shorting for their own account as a maket maker or working as a BD for someone. It is easy to figure Etrade is retail and I have seen that many use them.
Sorry, other post meant for OWL. Seems like Ken threw the shorts a message. With a 25% short yesterday or about 2 million shares it looked like they would try and take it down further today. The news kind of surprised them I think, but I would no be suprised if the MM's doubled down on the short since they know results will take probably 60 days or so like with HC and attack once again. Not sure anything but huge results along with a huge JV or sale will stop the onslaught from the thieves. I'll just hold and ride the waves and if I get some cash buy and try and bring my average down I guess.
It is up to you Max. I just wonder what were they thinking? It made sense to release the data but with no trading shares that is just dumb. So they take off the restriction and we still have no trading shares, but it will not be as long as 6 months Jack says. So either way we have nothing. IMHO this was just handled poorly. So, now we sit with what are now with the decline in KATX price pretty dam expensive BVIG shares and we have no idea what happens when they open for sale. Seems we have results, but really have no idea if HC will be mineable until at some point they drill again and we get those results. I suppose at that point they know what they have and proceed or tell us it was a bust. Either way we really are not sure. What can I say? I guess I'm like a lot of you in that we are not happy campers, but hoping for the best. GL to longs and screw the liars,cheats and manipulators!
No reason beating yourself up day after day getting the same answer. Besides it will happen with or without our calls when everything is ready. This way it will be a surprise like Christmas morning. Thanks for the effort and I hope we all get better days and news soon because this is getting real old!
Hopefully, that was our capitulation and we do not have to go lower. Got to get to work because at least at this point retirement off KATX and BVIG looks remote. GL
Well, the traders and MM have taken us to their current goal of the 200 MA. I'm hoping that is all it goes and longs don't just capitulate. I'll admit I'm down large but not selling, but it is not easy or pleasant to take. All I can say is try and hold your ground and either stop trading period until there is nothing to trade and they just leave or compete and buy shares so it holds and goes up if you have any dry powder left. News will come and hopefully sooner than later. GL to all longs and traders and MM can all go to----!
Just a question then. If KATX shares stay the same and BVIG shares increase 161 million to show the transfer are we not being diluted under KATX as we have less property and more stock?
Off course he has a bias. TR brought him in to cause more FUD. He even said he like us because we are tradeable. Gee, does he have to make his bias any more clear. He is just a surrogate for TR so they can talk the stock downh buy cheap and sell on news that is all. These people have no moral core or conscience and will do whatever it takes to make a buck. It really is sad in a way that they feel their skills are so indequate that they must work the system and try and manipulate sentiment.
I get that Art, but does now KATX have 161 million shares less if those shares are now under KATG?