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madman and greenlife, thank you for the info.
Have you guys been issued the new shares yet? I sold all of mine before the r/s so I cannot tell if the new shares have been issued. Please advise. ty.
Well put. What the value of UNGS is a matter of wide speculation. I am going to give the stock another two weeks. If I don't see some movement, I will move on. Good luck.
Thank you for the info. Looks like UNGS has market value after all.
Thank you.
I found this at the Yahoo ECDC board. I am not sure what to make of it. http://kisa.si/4724
Eggie, I am sad to say you are 100% correct. To issue three Letters to the Shareholders just before a r/s and say nothing about it is as dirty as it gets. These guys in OK are real bastards. Don't they think Shareholders would like to have an update on the r/s?
Dear Foolserrand: Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. For me to properly advise you in your situation I would need to know some information that you may not want to share with this board. I would need to know how much money you invested TDCP so far, how many shares have you got, what is your average cost per share, did you hold all your shares through the r/s or did you sell some. How large is TDCP as a percent of your total investment in stocks? So you see there is a lot involved. Months ago I posted what to do in a r/s under different scenarios. I will included it again now for your review-- if and when you go through another r/s. Over all I am bullish on TDCP. They appear to be having some trouble with the technology but I think so enough things will work out. Given what happened in April with the stock, it is clear that everyone should have sold their shares BEFORE the r/s.I sold all of mine before the r/s. See below.
SECRETS OF A REVERSE SPLIT.
For those who never have experienced a r/s, here are some scenarios to help you to decide whether to buy TDCP stock before or after the r/s. If you currently own TDCP stock, this post will help you to decide whether to liquidate all of your shares before the r/s or hold on to some through the r/s.
Please find below nine different possible scenarios for the r/s at TDCP.
Key facts to remember:
1) As you can see from below, in terms of dollar gain or loss in your investment in TDCP, it does not matter whether the r/s is 15:1 or 35:1. You will not lose more or less if one ratio is used verses the other. Your dollar loss or gain will be the same regardless of which one is chosen. However, there may be other advantages to one ratio verses another. Many companies like to use a r/s to raise the pps to $1.00 or higher in order to be qualified for a listing on one of the major exchanges.
2) Don’t assume the stock will go DOWN after the r/s. In many well established companies, the stock will go down little if at all after the r/s. In penny stocks like TDCP, the general rule is the stock will plunge big time. It is even possible the stock will return to the pps before the r/s. This is because management begins to dilute the stock after the r/s to raise money.
3) However, TDCP is a bit of a wild card. CSpace technology is new–almost everything about TDCP is new. This is why it is not clear that the stock will go down.
4) If TDCP releases some good news shortly before the r/s and the stock goes red hot like it did a few months ago, the chances the stock will go down after the r/s diminish substantially.
5) If TDCP has a steady climb in the pps 3 to 4 weeks before the r/s, the chances the stock will go down after the r/s diminish as well. True, it’s possible TDCP may go down for a brief period like two or three days but after that the rally may start up again.
6) If TDCP stays here at .01 all the way to April 2012, the chances the stock will go down after the r/s are almost 100% certain.
7) Remember, the higher the pps BEFORE the r/s, the less amount of dilution TDCP management will engage in after the r/s.
8) Thus, if the r/s occurs in April 2012, which is the usual pattern in situations like these where the drop dead date for the r/s is scheduled for April 2012, a lot depends on where TDCP’s pps is at that time. How is the stock behaving just before the r/s. That is secret to a successful strategy during a r/s. Closely watch the behavior of the stock just before the r/s.
9) Fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, there are 6 months until April 2012. For a penny stock that is an eternity. It is not out of the question that TDCP could be at .25, .50 or even a $1.00 by that time. The number of things that can cause this stock to go nuclear are almost unlimited. Now that TDCP’s management has put the proto type on the calendar (12 months at the outside) the speculation factor kicks in big time. You can use your own imagination to guess what can cause TDCP stock to go up: patent issues, new partnerships with Boeing etc., investment news letters, false rumors, market makers pushing the stock, etc. (Two years ago I owned a stock called ASFX. There was a false rumor that there was going to be a buy out. I made 400% return on my investment in less than 30 days due to that false rumor.)
Remember, the closer the 12 month target date for the proto type comes, the greater the influence the speculative factor has on the pps. By April 2012, will have used up 6 of the 12 months. Thus, TDCP’s pps could be very volatile by April 2012.
10) Finally, please remember that many companies like to issue good news shortly before the r/s to lessen the pain for investors and to allow those investors who want out to sell at a higher price.
11) If you already own TDCP stock, and the temperature of the stock is red hot shortly before the r/s, you may want to sell a few shares and hold on to the rest. This is the conservative play.
If you are an aggressive investor, you may not want to sell any shares.
If you are ahead +25% by the time of the r/s, you may want to buy some more TDCP stock before the r/s..
If by late March or April 1st, TDCP is here at .01 –notwithstanding any good news– find the nearest emergency exit and get out. You can buy back in after the r/s.
12) Remember-- a nasty rule about r/s. You cannot sell any shares you now own–those shares that exist before the r/s-- until management at TDCP issues new shares to Scottrade, etc. Until the new shares are issued, you cannot sell any shares you hold through the r/s process. Your stuck. The new issued shares could take weeks for TDCP to issue them. Sometimes months. During which time, you must suffer and watch to stock either tumble or sky rocket without the ability to sell. Of course, you can buy and sell any post r/s you buy. This was one of the questions I had for the Oct. 15th meeting–how long will it take TDCP management to issue the new post r/s shares? I never got an answer.
13) Reverse splits are an exciting time for investors. If you study your stock carefully and have a good sense of timing you can turn what is usually a bad situation into an opportunity.
Reverse splits are a bear even for the most successful investors to tackle-- which I am not. The good news is this. If CSpace technology is just half of what I think it will prove to be, a true game changer–no matter how bad you and I screw this r/s up–we’re going to make a killing anyway! So don’t worry. Good luck my friends.
Let’s assume TDCP stock price stays at .01 until the r/s in April 2012.
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price is .15 per share.
At 35:1 the post r/s stock price is .35 per share.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 50%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price is .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .075.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 75%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price is .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .0375.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 90%
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price is .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .015
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Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 50%:
At 35:1 the post r/s stock price is .35 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .175.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 75%:
At 35:1 the post r/s stock price is .35 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .0875.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 90%
At 35:1 the post r/s stock price is .35 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .035
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Let’s assume the post r/s price goes up 5%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .1575.
Let’s assume the post r/s price goes up 10%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .165.
Let’s assume the post r/s price goes up 25%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .1875.
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AT 15:1 R/S.
Question: With $5,000.00 to invest, should I buy more TDCP shares before the r/s or after the r/s under each scenario below– if the pps goes down?
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 50%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .075.
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares after the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 33,333 shares for a total value of $2499.98. Thus you will lose $2,500 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .075 you will have 66,666 shares at no loss.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 75%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .0375.
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares after the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 33,333 shares for a total value of $1249.98. Thus you will lose $3,750 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .0375 you will have 133,333 shares at no loss.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 90%
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .015
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares after the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 33,333 shares for a total value of $499.99. Thus you will lose $4,500 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .015 you will have 333,333 shares at no loss.
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AT 35:1 R/S.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 50%:
At 35:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .35 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .175.
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares after the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 14,285 shares for a total value of $2,499.99. Thus you will lose $2,500 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .175 you will have 28,571 shares at no loss.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 75%:
At 35:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .35 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .0875.
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares after the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 14,285 shares for a total value of $1,249.93. Thus you will lose $3,750 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .175 you will have 57,142 shares at no loss.
Let’s assume the post r/s price plunges 90%
At 35:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .35 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .035
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares after the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 14,285 shares for a total value of $499.97. Thus you will lose $4,500 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .035 you will have 142,857 shares at no loss.
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AT 15:1 R/S.
Question: With $5,000.00 to invest, should I buy more TDCP shares before the r/s or after the r/s under each scenario below–if the pps goes up?
Let’s assume the post r/s price goes up 5%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .1575.
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares before the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 33,333 shares for a total value of $5,249.94. Thus you will gain $249 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .1575 you will have 31,746 shares at a loss of $249.00 in lost stock you could have had.
Let’s assume the post r/s price goes up 10%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .165.
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares before the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 33,333 shares for a total value of $5,499.94. Thus you will gain $499.94 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .165 you will have 30,303 shares at a loss of $499.94 in lost stock you could have had.
Let’s assume the post r/s price goes up 25%:
At 15:1 the post r/s stock price starts at .15 per share.
Before the r/s each share costs you .01.
After the r/s each shares costs you .1875.
Under this scenario you should only buy TDCP shares before the r/s:
$5,000 at .01 = 500,000 shares. After the r/s you will have 33,333 shares for a total value of $6,249.93. Thus you will gain $1,249.93 if you buy before the r/s.
$5,000 at .1875 you will have 26,666 shares at a loss of $1,249.93 in lost stock you could have had.
This 1M buyer could have put his $5,000 in FACEBOOK but instead he chose ECDC. Apparently somebody is very bullish.
I see we are back to the old games. The stock goes down on a sell at .0003. Then shortly after the sale, someone buys 5,000 shares to push the stock back to .0004. This happened several times last week and it just happened again this morning. More stock manipulation of UNGS.
Good luck. I am very hopeful UNGS will hit pay dirt for all of us.
That I understood. You are correct, May 15th is the day. Some people think there might be a windfall once the financials come out. They think the stock is way undersold right now and that it will go up a lot after the 15th. We will see.
Please accept accept my apology. I do not understand your comment.
You are using some slang I do not understand.
Yeah and that transaction is strange too. When was the last time 4M shares were sold at .0004? Somebody is covering up their transactions.
We have the same trick again today. The stock goes down to .0002 and then someone comes along and buys just 5,000 shares to move the stock back to .0004. UNGS is being manipulated big time--why I don't know. ONe thing is for sure, there is a reason and somebody is going to benefit from the manipulation.
Since PWRM is in bankruptcy, why isn't the fifth symbol attached to their four letter symbol? There should be a fifth letter after PWRM.
This first half hour is most extraordinary. ECDC shareholders are getting a bit stingy. They are holding on to their stocks. We have very low volume today–which I interpret as a bullish signal. It would appear that ECDC is holding back somehow. It’s like a rubber ban that is being pulled back and then suddenly, the rubber ban is let loose and lots of pain is felt if you are on the wrong side. I think ECDC is going to snap. I am not certain when but I don’t think its too far off. We have an excellent chance of reaching .02+ fairly soon.
Excellent post stervc. Very impressive. ty.
Has anyone noticed that ever time UNGS has a big sale its at .0003. Then someone comes along and buys 5,000 shares at .0004. This has happened three times in a row so far today. This damn stock is being manipulated like crazy.
STRONG BUY by Golden Penny from May 9th to 11th for ECDC:
For the benefit of those who were sleeping last night in a bed, here is a repeat of a late post I made from the Golden Penny.
Golden Penny Members
We would like to thank all of you who follow our website. As time goes on the more improvements we are going to make to the website. In the mean time hopefully everyone has been doing great with our call of $ECDC. We are giving $ECDC a strong buy from May 9, 2012 until May 11,2012. We have less than a week and the 10Q should be released and the hype along with the chart is going to send $ECDC to higher price per shares. So below is our opinion on entry and exit points. We suggest you ask a professional before investing.
May 9, 2012
Entry Point: .0057-.0062/sh
Target Sell 1: .0185/sh
Target Sell 2: .0295/sh
Target Sell 3: .0695/sh
Double Down: .0055/sh
Stop Loss: .0045/sh
Goodluck Traders
The Golden Penny
I think you are right. I bought more ECDC today. Between now and when WetWinds get released, things are going to be very interesting around here. Good luck to you.
STRONG BUY by Goldpenny from May 9th to 11th.
Golden Penny Members
We would like to thank all of you who follow our website. As time goes on the more improvements we are going to make to the website. In the mean time hopefully everyone has been doing great with our call of $ECDC. We are giving $ECDC a strong buy from May 9, 2012 until May 11,2012. We have less than a week and the 10Q should be released and the hype along with the chart is going to send $ECDC to higher price per shares. So below is our opinion on entry and exit points. We suggest you ask a professional before investing.
May 9, 2012
Entry Point: .0057-.0062/sh
Target Sell 1: .0185/sh
Target Sell 2: .0295/sh
Target Sell 3: .0695/sh
Double Down: .0055/sh
Stop Loss: .0045/sh
Goodluck Traders
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Clearly ECDC is not moving aggressively upward today-- but it is not tumbling either. It appears ECDC is consolidating. If that is the case, that is good.
That is excellent advice agbjr.
If UNGS is really going to be sold, that might explain why UNGS decided to stop filing SEC's Forms and other reporting data. Why bother to prepare those documents when you are going to sell? Of course, I have nothing concrete to prove that UNGS plans to sell. But this stock is behaving real strange. I have never seen so many shares of stock sold for such a small company. Somebody loves this stock a lot.
If you are looking for a fast buck, TDCP is not the place for you. If you are looking for a good investment, there are few stocks better than TDCP. TDCP is trying to do something that has never been done before. If it succeeds, and I think it will, CSpace will be a game changer in technology. The importance of volumetric 3D technology can be somewhat compared to the investion of the personal computer. It will affect every area of life. Nothing will be unaffected by 3D volumetric technology. If TDCP holds the technological edge, the sky is the limit for where the pps for TDCP will go. TDCP is an investment stock. It is not a fly by night speculative get me rich quick stock. I think in 2012, we will get some very good news. We certainly are over due. At least the r/s is out of the way.
I have been investing in ECDC since May of 2011. I have never seen the kind of movement we have had so far today. Usually, when ECDC has a run, it's fast and quick. And it goes back down just as fast and quick. Today's steady climb suggests this may be the calm before the storm. I think ECDC could bust out any minute or any day this week.
Thank you for the info Sir. Have a great weekend!
Does that mean the true volume is 1/2 of 400,000?
For ECDC to go up 25% on no news-- to rally like this again after a rally from last week, this stock is like a volcano--with lots of little eruptions before the big final blast! I don't know when the final blast will come but the stock behaves like it will not be too long off in the future!
Over 400,000 shares sold today. What is going on? This is unbelievable!
My friends, if TDCP falls into the normal pattern of a r/s, the current price will not hold. The stock should drop far below .20. At this moment TDCP is at .24 or .0068 pre r/s. Once the dilution starts, which is a major reason companies do r/s is to dilute the stock from the new higher price, the stock will go down. The Wild Card is good news. If TDCP gets good news, its possible TDCP will not fall into the usual pattern and not go down. A good strategy is to sell 1/2 of your holdings now, assuming you can sell, which most of you cannot (You must wait for the new shares to be issued by TDCP) and hold the rest. Later, when the stock goes down you can buy back in at a much cheaper price. R/S are a difficult time for investors. I have been through five of them counting TDCP. In each case, I lost money during the r/s and had to wait a bit to make money in the new post r/s era. One is for sure. TDCP is a gold mine. When the stock goes down--if it does, please do not let that discourage you. We will be cashing in big time soon enough. Good luck.
Oh don't worry. I won't fall for any games. My first buy in ECDC was in May of 2011. I bought in at .032. We have had so many 100%+ runs that I have made a nice piece of change in this stock. Last year ECDC was No. 3 or 4 on my list. This year ECDC is No. 1. She's going to fly. I don't know when--but she is going to fly big time.
FYI, ECDC in the past used to tumble big time. When we had runs up of 300%+ ECDC would come back down and it would head to .002--even .0017. In February I bought a lot of shares at .0017. To see ECDC holding in .005 today is a very bullish signal. The lows are getting higher. This stock is definitely going higher. I think there are many new investors in ECDC since 90 days ago and I think this is the reason ECDC has stopped making these deep drops in the pps.
I re-filled my nest a .0048. ECDC could go lower but I don't want to risk missing the next move up. If ECDC goes lower I will certainly buy more.
Gee that is strange. For a stock that is worthless, I have already sold 200,000 shares at a good price.
This baby is going up today. I thought this was not supposed to happen!! Go UNGS!
Believe me, I have no objection to you being right. I have been invested in ECDC since May 2010. It's a great stock and will all of us ton of money. And I suspect it will be this year!!
CJ, 100,000 shares have traded. All on the downside. It opened down. ECDC is going south for the day. To be sure, ECDC will go .01+ and in the not too distant future--but not today. These little moves on the upside are a lot of noise before the big erruption. Just like a volcano makes lots of noise before the final booom. ECDC's low's are becomig higher. ECDC's high's are becoming higher. The break out is coming but the odds of it happening today are remote. It can. But it is not likely.
Give it up guys!! You can't talk your way to .01. ECDC will hit .01+ soon enough but these crazy speculations are doing our board more damage than anything.