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Lord, I hope not. That would just make a mess of his case. The last thing he needs is to have a ton of shareholders clogging up the DC court docket with joinder motions.
If anyone is thinking of doing that...DON'T.
Jberg Strikes Again...
https://docs.google.com/file/d/1_Vb4UjTXE5xnxBewq_oJACxpgqBZv688kaGoEkX_U02hTZ6uZaduQZ9zy10o/edit
Hit pacer earlier today.
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Poor Nate is never gonna live this down. He's such a low-key sort of guy. And just when he thinks his notoriety has died down, an even bigger and more colorful story on him gets published. I can't help but snicker in amusement sometimes.
I feel empathy for him, because I wouldn't want to be in that situation. But...it is kinda funny.
Beth
What was the gist of the story?
Beth
Ok...that has an ick-factor of twelve.
Really?
Cause it sounds to me like the judge is trying her best to tell the Supreme Court to kiss her arse. But that's just my take on it. I could be wrong.
It also sort of sounds to me like she wants to go down as the judge who oversaw the second largest bankruptcy in U.S. history...without being the bankruptcy judge that took down JP Morgan. But again, that's just my take on it. Of course, I'm of the opinion that everyone in this case is acting in their own self-interests. Which would explain why the process has been so corrupt. I suspect this is par for the course in bankruptcy.
Knick,
I've pm'd you twice. Don't know what's up with the messaging system.
Beth
It is password protected. I don't know how it's suddenly accessable to everyone.
beth
This is a private link. DO NOT POST THIS.
Thank you, Beth
Well Mordicai, that was the problem.
I had a well-planned line of inquiry. Unfortunately, the lawyer who went before me started to touch on some of the questioning I was going to deal with and screwed it up. Badly. So the judge cut him off at the knees and wouldn't let him pursue those questions anymore. Which meant I couldn't pursue them and my whole gameplan was out the window.
And I sat there thinking that this guy was gonna just walk on this issue. I was furious. And I wasn't gonna let that happen. So grabbed my crutch and went up to the podium and started in on the guy. I had no plan at all. It was a poorly executed move. But at that moment, I just couldn't let him get away with it. I knew he was guilty, I knew he was lying. Unfortunately, when I get angry...I go on the attack.
So, like I said, I did no further cross after that. I worked inquiry and if I had a question, Berg or Duke did the cross.
The only benefit was exactly what you pointed out. And now I'll be able to attack this 50 different ways in my closing and show that this guy is full of it.
Beth
And Monica...
that's why I walked away. I was very angry and my cross examination was being ruled by my emotions. Not by my head. I knew that if I continued I could end up doing something stupid. Not violent, just stupid.
Hell, I thought I had already screwed the pooch at that point. As we were driving back to the motel, Bill was trying to comfort me the whole way by telling me that it wasn't that bad. I was so sure that the shareholders were going to rip me a new one on all the boards. First, for bringing up March 12th...which is like invoking the agony of the Pearl Harbor of this bankruptcy case. And second for losing my cool and attacking a witness on the stand.
Oddly enough, everyone loved it. So I was just grateful that nobody wanted to skewer me. For the duration of the hearing I did not do anymore cross. I mainly helped craft lines of inquiry with James for his cross and let Bill know when some of the witnesses were lying. (I have some experience in deception detection)
No, no, no.
I love sock monkeys. In fact, that's why I hired one to be my new bankruptcy lawyer. And let's face it...they're waaaay smarter than most of the attorneys we seen in court as of late.
beth
On another note...
Don mentioned something that I think is infinitely important. Everyone thinks I do so much. But what many of you don't realize is how many people are working behind me, helping me to make things happen.
There are three people on this particular board that don't really get the credit they deserve for being part of the backbone of my activities. There are others on Yahoo, but here on iHub, these three should be recognized.
Luv2shop (Cat): This woman has taken on WaMu as a full time job and has pretty much received almost no compensation. She has a daughter with not one, but two extremely rare diseases (one of which is life-threatening). And she spends a rediculous amount of time taking care of me and my needs. And recently she not only took care of my medical needs, she saved me from having to go to the hospital.
JoePick (Joe): This guy has bailed me out so many times, I stopped counting. He takes me to the store when I need something. He picks up paper and toner when I run out. He does obscene amounts of DD whenever I ask. He is the one that takes me to and from the airport whenever I go to Delaware. He calls to check up on me when I'm in Wilmington. If I need something in the middle of a hearing...he's the first one I call. I've always said that James Berg is the guy I want backing me up in court. Well Joe is the guy I want backing me up out of court.
Uzualsuzpect (M): He has always been there for me. From the first time I started posting on this board. Long before anyone knew who I was, he knew who I was. And he's always been available to give me advice when I needed it. He's done DD for me. He's backed up Cat when she was working on my projects. And he's constantly giving me moral support for everything from objections to random postings. The truth is...sometimes you just need a friend out there who has your back. And Uz has always had mine.
So, while I am humbled by how much you all have treated me with such gratitude...it would be selfish and dishonest to not be truthful with you all about these individuals and their contribution to this case and to me personally. There is simply no conceivable way that I could have done these things without the support and hard work of these people. And they should get equal credit along side me.
Beth
You're not getting away with that comment.
Yeah Lawrence...
Unfortunately, with me...it's ALWAYS fight. I actually enjoy the fray. But you could very well be right about this. I guess it's back to anger management.
Beth
Thanks Don.
It's like I said on the Y board. In the military we pretty much live by the adage:
Grab a six pack and a straw and suck it up.
I told everyone there that until I can no longer "suck it up", I will be carrying a straw in my pocket. For me, it isn't so much the constant pain or the muscular weakness. I think it's the fatigue and the neurological disfunction that gets to me. That's the little secret the doctors don't tell you. You can learn to adjust and tolerate pain. But you can never physically adjust to fatigue. Never. It's impossible. And the neuro disfunction is just a slap in the face.
Today, I'm blaming Tepper for my pain. Yesterday it was the UST. That's the one consolation I have. I can hold anyone I want responsible for my bad days. Yes, I know. It's petty. But I never claimed to be mature.
Beth ;)
You know, it's funny Lawrence...but when I got up and started questioning that witness about insider trading, I was furious.
The previous lawyer's questions had messed up my line of inquiry and it looked like the witness was going get off scott free on the issue. And I just lost it. I didn't even have a game plan. I just got up, hobbled up to the podium with my crutch and slammed him with the March 12th reference. And then I started attacking him. And the judge nailed me for it. At that point I realized that I was not acting in an organized fashion and I was allowing my emotions to run my cross. So I decided to walk away before I threw my crutch at him.
Anyway, the point is, I think you're right. I think that might have been around the time I started getting sick.
Beth
So I just wanted to let everyone know what happened with me during the Confirmation Hearing and the 2019.
As many of you all know, I am disabled. I have a disease that is relatively debilitating. Last month JoePick from iHub (he's my WaMu partner here in San Antonio) took me to the hospital to undergo a procedure that would enable me to function at a much more normal level. You should know that I did plan ahead for this trip. Unfortunately, the hearing went beyond what anyone expected and the effects of this procedure only lasts so long. I expected to be in Delaware for about 5 days and then have about a 10 days to rest up and prepare for the 2019. That didn't happen.
We were prepping and working non-stop for two weeks. My health began to decline about two days prior to the end of the hearing. Over the weekend I traveled to Virginia (to save money on hotel expenses) and continued to prep for the 2019 for another two days. By the third day I was in a full blown relapse and was unable to travel. So I couldn't even make it back to Delaware.
Fortunately, I was staying with someone who had nursing training. So she not only coordinated the postponement, but coordinated my care and medication procurement. We had to reschedule my flight since I wasn't well enough to travel, but eventually I made it back home. I'm still sick, so I'm going to need some help with things over the next few days and weeks. I don't want anyone to worry about me. I've had these relapses many times before and I know what I need to do to get through them.
I know that many of you are disappointed about the postponement. But I assure you, I will be at the next hearing. And the oral arguments. Also there will be an omnibus in September where someone will have to argue for all of the billing objections that have been filed against Weil. Since no one is going, I will be doing this one as well.
As far as the money is concerned, we did the absolute best that we could to stretch your donations. We never imagined that this hearing would last two weeks. We certainly never imagined that oral arguments would be pushed out for a month and that we would have to return. However, with diligence and the constant watchfulness of Cat, we managed to make it all the way through the Confirmation Hearing. At this point, we aren't sure what's going to happen with the upcoming hearings, but we're working on it.
You should know that each Pro Se Objector that stayed for those entire two weeks made individual sacrifices beyond just personal monetary expenses. And without going into those issues, I think James Berg, Bill Duke and Nate Thoma deserve a big "Thank You" from everyone here.
Anyway, I just wanted to let you all know what happened. I know it was quite abrupt and everyone was left with little or no explanation. And I'm truly sorry for that. But at the time, my main concern was just staying out of the hospital. If it's any consolation, I'm probably going to get reamed out by my physicians today. So if any of you love me, cross your fingers and hope I get their answering machine.
Beth ;)
Wamu'ers get in FREE.
Everyone else pays full price.
Beth
Actually, it was a motion. The hearing is set for the 28th. Tickets cost $45 and there is a reception afterwards. You can make reservations through ticketmaster and I would do it soon, because they are going fast. You can also purchase backstage passes for $500. With that you get a front row seat at the hearing, personal access to Bettina at the reception and a special invite to the private hotel party taking place after the reception.
Beth ;)
Hey Guys, don't worry. I got this. We don't want to bombard the court on this one. I have fly solo on this. If this doesn't get approved, I don't want anyone else's name attached to it.
NOT ONE OTHER PERSON'S NAME
So if I win, we all win. If I lose, then the egg is on my face alone. And that's the way I want it.
Beth
Thank you.
I'm hoping that all of the objectors will get taken care of. You guys are the best!
Beth
I told you Uz....
It's never too late for a Motion.
Beth
No, I don't need to reiterate the fact that I am Pro Se. The court, specifically the judge herself, has already recognized me as a Pro Se Objector. I would have to file with the court to change my status.
And as far as setting up a donation site, the UIE is helping me. They are trying to help all of the Pro Se Objectors. I am not accepting funds individually because there is no independent accountability. Nor from any other organization.
I am only allowing the UIE to accept funds on my behalf because they scrutinize every dime and I know exactly where the money is going. I am a penny pincher when it comes to shareholder donations, as is Cat. So I trust the UIE with shareholder money.
Beth
That's ok, Don. I already have a lawyer (see below). But I would very much appreciate if people would get behind the other Pro Se Objectors who will be accompanying me to the Confirmation Hearing and help with their travel expenses. This is crazy expensive for us to go to these things and it has wiped some of us out. The UIE is trying to gather up some funds for all of us, but after the DS hearing, there's nothing left.
So if anyone really wants to support me, support my team.
Beth
No, I'm targeting something else entirely...
Beth
Man, what in the heck is that Bettina chick compelling people to do now?
Uz....
It's never to late to file a motion. Keep that in mind. ;)
Beth
Ahh...Ok.
I was wondering about this. I hadn't really heard about this litigation.
Beth
No, I haven't missed the point at all. This has been said about her before. And it's been dead wrong. I was raised by an attorney. My sister is a prosecutor. My other sister works for a lawyer. She's his right arm, appears in court with him. I've been around the block. I've also been in her courtroom and spoken before her.
I'm telling you, judges do not engage in entrapment. Cronyism? Yes. Entrapment...not so much. If she is trying pull a lie out of a lawyer, she'll do it right then and there, in front of God and everyone. Or she'll ignore it, like she's done in the past with Rosen. So this idea that she's setting a trap, that she's gonna spring at a later date...is speculative at the very, very best, but most likely rediculous.
Beth
So what are they saying the final distribution will be? And will it affect any other litigation?
Beth
What sort of claims forms, Joe?
No offense, but judges don't "snooker" people. They don't lay traps, they don't lure them into their lair and they don't trick lawyers. This isn't spy vs. spy.
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't happen. They don't play those kind of games in court rooms. You really are reading too much into this.
Beth
Jest, you know I will.
I have a fairy godmother (or father)!!!!
I'm legit now. Although I hope he doesn't wonder over to the Y board and find out how mean I actually am. Cause then he'd take away my PM'ing privledges for sure and I'll be back to 15 posts a day. But for now, I'm PM'ing Cat. She's gonna freak when she comes back.
Anyway, thank you Easter Bunny!
Beth
Thanks G.
They actually did find what was wrong with her. Her doctors are quite excellent. Things are just really tough right now. But you know what I'm talking about.
Beth
Actually, it's Chelsea, but sometimes I just say Chelse. And let me tell you, she is one tough kid.
I may not respond to everyone's messages, but I'm reading them all. I just have a limited number of available posts remaining. So thank you to everyone. I'm going to let Cat know how all of you are pulling for Chelsea.
Beth