is pondering....What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what its all about
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NSMG climbing .0058x.006, heading to repeat the .02 it saw earlier this season with hurricane Earl knocking on the door.
Wow that was a very bad attempt to make me look foolish, anyone can read the privious post to see exactly what the thread was about, than maybe they can read the whole sentence and not just the half you posted. So lets begin
Don't understand your line of logic here. You have all the links to EXPH information you requested included the six that proved each and every one of your points about the company incorrect. Then you make this statement:
"...they are loosing (SIC) money on everything going out the door.."
Well let look at the full sentence from post 78034 shall we, "FYI drop in sales does not automatically mean they are loosing money on everything going out the door, it means there was a drop in sales." Does that make a little more sense to you now lol, that was a nice try though.
EXPH is not losing money on "everything going out the door". Once again, if you would just take a minute or two to get any idea of the historical numbers the company has published...anything at all based in fact, you will see immediately that EXPH historically has earned a profit on their cabinets.
Wow I'm glad to see you think they are not loosing money on everything that goes out the door. I would be happy to see that when the numbers do come out but if they are historically earning a profit as you claim above I guess you won't be able to prove it until the numbers come out but its nice to see your optomistic about thier future though.
I understand you have posted that you know nothing about the company: "I have no more information..." . Once again I have provided a link below for you to go and do some beginner level research on their previous financials to get that EXPH information for yourself.
Once again if you would finish the sentence quoted it would say "I have no more information than you do" once again nice try. I like the beginning level research feature you have put in your last 6 post as well, it shows the rest of the board how much you care about your fellow investors because I'm sure its not meant as a personal attack.
I simply can't help you at all if you continue to claim the company is worth .25 a share despite "loosing (SIC) money on everything going out the door", but can't produce any evidence of your own to back that.
Oh now I'm claiming .25 as a price goal, and this is after you can't even back up the .03 claim you I made. So once again this is the seventh time I ask you to show me one place I claimed the price would be at .03 or show any finacial data that you claim I don't back up from your earlier post, my posts are right there for the world to see just check them there aren't very many, post it when you find it......ROTFLMAO....still waiting
You also refuse to believe that any historical data for EXPH exists at the links I have provided.
I do thats news to me, can you show me where I said that or even implied that, nah I guess you can't do that either.
You have the links to prove every request for information concerning my posts as far as EXPH and their management is 100% accurate. Once again, here is a link to the EXPH financials. All your answers are there. There is no further point to question or post to me concerning EXPH, I will just refer you to the data EXPH has already provided for you.
Oh I guess I didn't realize that now the data over a year old was enough to make claims on thier present day finacials...whew I'm glad we cleared that up. For a moment I though maybe you had some data the rest of us don't when you claimed "year to date they are loosing money on every cabinet and display going out the door" in post #76858.
"25 cents a share in EXPH"...
Gee you really think this is possible, good luck with that I will be looooong before that. (ain't it fun to chop off part of the sentence)
It is difficult when one is unwilling and unaware of any factual data, historical or otherwise, concerning EXPH to keep answering questions from posts that request EXPH information and links and then at once reject the only source and evidence available. You make these statements:
"I have no more information than you have to prove that your opinion as you state on this board is false."
"...don't go around posting a bunch of information based off year old facts and pass it off as current, and unlike you I can show where you have done that (post #76858 if your wondering).."
So the use of historic data from the EXPH, the only source of hard numbers currently available, are, according to you, "year old facts" that are useless. This probably explains why a) you state you have no information on EXPH and b) then pose this question concerning an EXPH post:
"OK than how about your post #76858, where you said "but to date (with the exception of one quarter in which a lot of order delay based shifting was done per the company) they have lost money on every cabinet and display going out the door." I would love to see the link to that one since you said every post you have a link.....humm I didn't see one on that post though. If you do have a link for to date numbers I would love to see it, or were you just making that up."
Still waiting on the "to date numbers" that you must have if you know they are loosing money on every cabinet and display "to date". Once again I have no issues and am not contesting the fins that are over a year old, but over a year ago isn't "to date" thank you for proving my point with the above paragraphs I am glad you agree that you do not know "to date" information and that statement was false.
I didn't post the link to that data because I wrongfully assumed anyone who was investing hard earned money in EXPH already had taken the time to do the very most elementary basics of EXPH research and knew it's source. For that I apologize. However, had you just taken five minutes to go to the EXPH data site in the link I provided you in my last post, you may have discovered this EXPH informative answer to the baseless accusatory post above:
"During the quarter ended March 31, 2009, the company was very negatively impacted by the economic downturn that was experienced throughout the country. The poor economic conditions caused a major customer that supplies building materials to consumers and contractors to continue to delay or place orders on hold until the economy improves. This loss of sales from this customer along with other downward trends of the economy during the past year has caused a drop in sales for the quarter ended March 31, 2009."
So what does this prove? This is your evidence lol. I don't see it saying that they are losing money on all cabinets and displays currently, do you? In any case I didn't realize that "to date" on your August 5th post was based upon the above PR clipping that doesn't say they are loosing money on cabinets and display and that it was for the qaurter ending March 31st, is March 31st "to date"? FYI drop in sales does not automatically mean they are loosing money on everything going out the door, it means there was a drop in sales.
Once again, unless you are willing to accept the data that EXPH has provided and at least attempt to familiarize yourself with it, you cannot hope to defend your position on the company that it is going to be between a .03 and a .25 cent stock following the shareholder's meeting. Once again, here is the link to some beginner EXPH information to help start you along:
I'm still waiting for you to show me even one itty bitty part of any of my posts that say anything about this going to .03 or when I even made claims about thier finacials. This is my sixth reqeust for you to do this. I have not called you a liar, I would just like you to show the board where I made these statements you claim I made in your earlier posts (even though we both know they don't exist). So once again I am waiting, I'm mean you did say you provide links to everything right, I would just like a link to these accusations you made about me, my posts are avalible to you all you have to do is look...... still waiting lol.
How is your EXPH research coming? It would appear the company and JD Brown in particular does not agree with most of your positions on EXPO Holdings, Inc. Once again, I understand you have no information available to you currently:
My research is just fine, thanks for your concern, but I don't go around posting a bunch of information based off year old facts and pass it off as current, and unlike you I can show where you have done that (post #76858 if your wondering). I'm sure also you have something to show the company and JDB do not agree with me, or is just something you pulled out of the air as well. Do you have the link to the part where I have said I have no information, you keep posting the same sentence from my post that say "I have no more information than you", unless I need new glasses I don't belive that say I have no information, would you like me to write in bold so you don't misread it?
But I have provided some links to EXPH information to prove every post I have ever published here.
OK than how about your post #76858, where you said "but to date (with the exception of one quarter in which a lot of order delay based shifting was done per the company) they have lost money on every cabinet and display going out the door." I would love to see the link to that one since you said every post you have a link.....humm I didn't see one on that post though. If you do have a link for to date numbers I would love to see it, or were you just making that up.
I am sorry I don't have the time to provide you with all your requested information. Can't do all your "DD" on the company for you. Perhaps if you called Etrade? Your posts here only number 12 or so, it shouldn't be an issue to sort through them and find your answers to your EXPH questions.
I don't recall asking you to do my DD, just to back up your outlandish claims. What I did ask though was for you to provide the posts where I claim this is going to .03 and post where I make any claims on thier finicial status. Since you noted I only have like 12 post here it should take much time for you to find that in order to save face. I would hate for the board to think you are making up accusations that aren't true. So again I will ask you for the fifth time to show me in my post where I have made these claims you are accusing me of lol.
"Any claims of tremendous 120%-20,000% profits on recent movements of .0002 to .0006 of a cent at this volume are sophomoric nonsense."
And where would you be getting this information from? I was not aware you were privied to others account information. Anyone here could have easily sold for a 120% gain if they bought in the .0003-.0004 range if they were playing it right. I sold a very small piece for a 120% gain. So really what you are calling "sophomoric nonsense" is once again just a guess, but at least it was "in your opinion" so people can make thier own judgement on if there was any merit to it or not.
Well I have been doing this all wrong. So what your saying is crusty old figures can be thrown out there as present day data, be presented as factual and followed up by a "All IMHO". Thats neat I am sure that when the company recieves the electric bill than they can just look at what they paid last year, send them that amount and say this is what we paid you last time, it must be factual and it can't change so this what we owe you in our opinion.
I'm sure the are no monitary changes in this broadway production full of theatrics as you have noted before. I mean it makes more sense to go through all of this effort and expense in putting on this whole production when the pinksheet company next door does nothing, makes nothing, has a office that is located in an empty warehouse, and won't even answer the phone but is still making more off the SH through dillution than they are.
So we can keep making up numbers or we can HOPE that this time they actually put numbers out before the SH meeting (note I said hope) than you can actually have some numbers of relivance to repeat over and over and over again to present as factual "in your opinion".
Goodness where to begin
You can spend all day nit picking semantics in lieu of the factual evidence that was provided about EXPH in the post. No one else misunderstood it.
Show me the factual evidence in your post, was it "they lose money on every cabinet and display year to date"? Fine show me the year to date facts to prove that and I will say it was factual evidence. Fact is you can't and nobody can you are guessing, thats not facts. If it was a mis-conjugated verb on your part that is not my fault, I read it the way it was presented Would you have rather that been left there unchallenged for people to believe that is the fact? Are you sure nobody else mis-understood it, I'm not.
Why don't you look up the facts on EXPH and base your questions about the company on something concrete instead of just attacking misspellings and mis-conjugated verbs?
Show me one place I said anything about mispellings and mis-conjugated verbs, oh thats right you can't. As far as looking up the facts on EXPH, I've done that, thanks for your concern though.
Given that their payroll has increased by a minimum of 14 employees at the G&A trough since that $1.47 G&A number for the 1st and 2nd Q 2009 and the fact another CEO is or already has come on board, how would you determine that they aren't still losing money on every cabinet that goes out the door?
I don't know, its really not up to me to prove since I'm not the one making the claim they are loosing money on every cabinet and display that goes out the door. But if I was going to prove it as fact I wouldn't use data that is over a year old to base it upon and call it factual, but I understand that is all there currently is to work with.
Can you provide a single solid argument whatsoever for EXPH earning profits with an increased payroll using vetted data, hard numbers and facts in lieu of searching my posts for misspellings or incorrectly tensed verbs as a constant response to my EXPH posts?
No, but can you prove a loss for the past year on the past years whats the word vetted data? And once again maam I did not make a single comment about your spelling or verbs.
And don't quote JD Brown and crew as being the providers of your "factual data". They have obviously been proven to be much less than reliable if not outright deceptive in their "forward looking statements" for years now.
I wasn't planning on it never said I was, but I agree they have much to prove.
I have been here (though I have only had an Ihub account for 8 months or so, just a lurker before that) since last spring, bought at bunch at .0009 in the spring sold it all between .025-.03 in Sept., I made a boatload off this last year. I really don't pay much attention to CEO promises that do not come into fruition, if your playing the pinksheets that is standard SOP for the companies and CEO's trading down here. It just take the right PR or combination of PR's to get things sailing. How you want to trade from there (buy more, hold, sell) is up to each person. I have certain key things I look for on when to fold or when to hold and it has worked extremly well for me. Right now I am reloaded at these bottom levels and am holding with no intentions of folding anytime real soon because I fully agree with you that if the Co. keeps thier finger off the dillution button this should do extremly well again. Good luck to you Skydivers01, I hope if you are down that the coming months will allow you to exit with a breakeven or even better at a profit.
1) EXPH has produced absolutely nothing in over a year related to it's performance so no one knows anything about their performance other than prior to June 30, 2009.
Your correct on this, it does suck and nobody does know for sure about thier performace prior to June 30th 2009. Hopefully this gets cleared up on or around the SH meeting.
2) You have no idea one way or the other if EXPH's management is "honest". You haven't even met their new CEO.
True, but on the other side of the coin you really have no way of knowing if the new CEO is dishonest either I guess it just depends on how you want to look at things.
3) The quality of EXPO's products might be the best ever designed, but to date (with the exception of one quarter in which a lot of order delay based shifting was done per the company) they have lost money on every cabinet and display going out the door.
Now how would you know that they have lost money on every cabinet and display they make if you don't have any numbers since June of last year. Seems a rather bold statement to be making since you used the wording "to date" which would mean present day and your "to date" numbers you might be basing that on are over a year ago, so its really no where near a factual statement. Just wanted to clear that up so people don't get confused.
Is that so? Show me the link to the doghouse schematics and materials list from EXPO's doghouse production line.
Last I checked there are not to many companies you can call and they will give you thier schematics and materials list. Or why don't you provide a link to your previous post where you said the doghouses were made from partical board, you have a link....right
You say EXPO sends these "shell" doghouses out for roofing and cedar siding (last time I checked about $20 a board foot)?
$20 a BF last time you checked, good heavens you might want to check again. I don't know where your shopping but in the real world you can get cedar siding for anywhere from $1.61 to $4.99 BF depending on the qaulity and milling that is done to it. There might be $20 a BF cedar out there but it certainly wouldn't be what you would use on a dog house.
Does EXPO install the bath and kitchen cabinetry or do the people installing the hot tub and granite counter tops handle that? IMHO.
I mean no disrespect maam, seem like a very passionate lady in reguards to EXPH but are comments like this really nessasary, expecially over a freakin dog house. It comes off as very desperate to find fault when there is enough low hanging fruit you can go after.
How many times do I need to publish the FACT that EXPH building cabinets, buying wood, running their whirring machinery and giving tours of all the above is NOT in question? What you MAY be witnessing sir, (and it may be first hand, second hand or third hand for all I know) is commonly known as "theater" in the pink sheet/OTC arena. A graphic display of pomp and circumstance that gives the surface appearance that all is as it has been advertised to be.
So let me get this straight, there was a theory (or maybe still is) that the mothership was controlling everything and there is a massive NSS position. This theory was attacked and any person in support of that theory were ridiculed on almost a daily basis (FYI I am not a beliver of this theory, just my personal opinion).
Now this above theory is that EXPH is one wild and crazy theatrical performance put in place soley to provide perks to family and friends that even the cabinet scribblings on the dry erase board that Nate saw were part of the charade (wow, very well performed).
I guess if I had to choose the whole mothership thing sounds much more logical to me than a broadway production. I'll just go on a limb here and form my own opinions though since neither side can prove the theories they feel so passionatly about because this is a PINKSHEET stock. If you have a full transparency fix that needs to be fulfilled the big boards are a wonderful place for that.
"Show me proof of the $3M in orders. I want to see a contract. I want to see signed orders. I want to see shipment manifests. Oh, there are none? Show me proof that Lowes has upped their order from 2000 units to 20000?"
You are aware this is a pinksheet company, right? You can always want these things in the pinksheet world but you'll be disapointed almost always. These would all be very good powerful points if you were talking about a big board stock but its not, so it is meaningless complaining about it down here. You are screaming for full transparency on a pinksheet stock, doesn't that in itself sound a little ridiculus, I know it does happen time to time, but its rare.
You got one side saying one thing another side saying the exact opposite and neither side really knows what the he** thier talking about but both are convinced they are right. Who are we trying to prove it to, each other, ourselves? Yesterday I went back and read alot of post from 2.5 years ago, company dilluting, people defending the stock, people slamming the stock, horrible stock price, and a whole lot of gloom and doom. The posts were almost identical to what were seeing now, just alot of different players. Guess what happened after that, the stock ran to almost its pre dillutive highs for long enough to offer an exit to anyone who wanted out and could still make a profit or break even. This whole thing going on here is just stuipid, someone says something postive or negative and the opposing side says "show me proof", which is than reponded to with a "show me proof of your accusation" and neither side can prove a damn thing because this is a pinksheet stock and they never or rarely prove anything so it is a moot point, so who is the whole discussion trying to impress?
I also followed the whole "glorified router" piece this morning. So what is next is a cabinet a "glorified cardboard box", is the president of the USA a "glorified supervisor", is a realtor a "glorifed door to door salesman". There are several key points that were missed in your simple version on how to make large scale manufacturing and replication items without a CNC rout... oops glorified router, let me cover them.
1) Get an exact template of one of the "600 shapes" you want to produce that is 1/8" proud of the dimensions of the desired final piece. (I'd estimate D&D might use 25 or 30 in the course of a year).
Ok seems fine but we don't know if D&D only uses 25 or 30 or 10,000 now do we, with a CNC you design it to presion on the computer in a matter of minutes.
2) Trace the template on a piece of stock in the exact same dimension (i.e. 4' X 8') as the stock you will be cutting the various shapes from, fitting as many as possible into the template area to most efficiently use the stock.
Ok make me a precision one with complex curves and or angles and let me know how long it takes (answer is a long time and if it is required to be precise to the thousanth like a CNC does it will be impossible to do by hand). And what are you cutting this out with, jig saw, bandsaw, will the design allow for tolerances in human error in cutting the template, you can find your master craftman and ask him if there will be any human error in doing it this way I'm sure he'll laugh before telling you yes?
Cut the shapes from the template proud of the trace lines. Sand the remaining material to the exact trace line with a handheld vertical drum sander with a base to insure the cutout is a perfect 90° vertical.
Once again we have that pesk ol' human error factor as well as a very time intensive task. I suppose they could hire someone with a CNC to do this for them, wonder if that pencils out, I'm sure they charge reasonable rates right since its just a glorified router.
Place a straight cutting router bit into your 1.5 HP router with a 1/8" roller guide to ride along the inside edge of the finely finished template.
Now since you said using a 1/8" roller guide (or bearing as their called in the shop) and your template is 1/8 proud you need a 1/4 straight cutting bit..right? Get through your first template trying to carve a piece out of 3/4 stock and tell me what happens. I'll give you a hint your bit will be shattered and you piece ruined, also if your doing this in one cut, and if your lucky enough to make it through some you will be going super slow and be left with nothing but splinters on the edges that will be deep enough they won't sand out without looking really bad. You would need to do at least four passes to have a prayer of even pulling this off, but since your only using a 1.5 HP router, I guess you don't even have a prayer, maybe with a 2.5 or 3 HP. Even with a CNC router sure you can set it to one pass, but the qaulity and edges will be poor, that might be why they set it to 2 passes, maybe they know something we do not ....hummmmmm
5) Place your stock on a table fitted with a 4' X 8' well to hold it steady with six supports screwed to the table to support the stock above the well bottom.
6) Drop your template on top.
7) Cut away.
Sounds easy enough right, I am sure what ever google site this information came from thinks it is too but put in into practice and it does not work out so well, maybe for the homeowner on a single project or two, but not for industrial use, I can't even begin to tell you the flaws in that.
Voila. The templates never wear out so once you've produced one, you can store it and bring it out again anytime you need it.
Where the heck would you ever get that a template made of 3/4" plywood would never wear out, I have had ones that seen moderate use over the course of a year that already are wearing enough to affect the final assembly. Now use them in an industrial enviroment and your gonna spend more time fixing mistakes and wasting materials that it would pay for itself very quickly, another maybe they know something we don't know....huummmm.
Now look what all this back and fourth crap is causing I wasted part of my precious life on this post. Oh well good day to all.
Thank you for posting the snap shot in time from two years ago, the similarites are uncanny. Reading through the post you provided showed two years ago it was thought the company was broke and a scam, a RS was going to happen in a New York Minute, and those that continued to average down were being mocked. That is quite similar to what is being posted on the board currently.
Now looking at those post two years ago into the future present day I would have to say the company is still not broke, I am sure dillution helped stave that off and it is still up to them to prove thier stock is not a scam.
The folks that were averaging down two years ago probably did extremly well during the run up last summer so they probably had the last laugh on that one.
And the RS that was going to happen in a "New York Minute" from two years ago still has not happened but is being touted again now, will we look at these post two years from now and be saying the same thing?
Oh there are definatly bad elements to this company that I would like to see changed but really what we are seeing on this board is what happens on all of these pinky boards. When thing are good people are shouting from the roof tops about how great of investment it is, this usually results in the price running higher than it ever should, and the negative comments or commentors are not around or not posting as much since they are greatly outnumbered and immediatly attacked. When things start drawing back people are shouting scam, RS, SEC investigations, this usually leads to the price going lower than it ever should and the positive comments or commentors are fewer since they are out numbered and immediatly attacked. Than the company comes out with great news price goes up and price goes down so I agree with your rinse and repeat analogy. That is why I get such a kick out of some of the comments and theories during up and down times, alot of times it comes off very desperate and transparent from both sides of the camp.
At the end of the day this is a pink sheet stock so when people are coming here saying they will be on the nyse and the price will be $5, I know thier full of crap because if they were a company of that caliber they would have done it from the get go (save a very tiny percentage of pinks that actually do accomplish this). Trying to find that tiny percentage of pinksheet stocks that actually do make it to the big time will loose you all your money since they are so rare. At the same time I don't pay attention to those that are touting the fact that they are not transparent so they must be a scam. This is the pinksheets, companies are not trading here because they want to be or are willing to be fully transparent, if you don't like it why the heck are you trading in the pink sheets, go to the big boards make your annual 5-10% gain and quit whining. Facts are most pinksheet companies are scams or have scammy elements to them, accept that fact, decide if investing on the pinksheets is for you and leave or stay. There is no need for constantly belly aching about the stock and managment not behaving like a big board stock would. Trying to find and post negative facts or boarderline scammy elements with pinksheet stocks is like shooting fish in a barrel, and it is really not that impressive. Its a game down here, learn the game and profit from it, don't learn and loose all your money. I am of the belief this stock will run again, when, I don't know but I'm ready when it does, if it doesn't I'm fine with that too, I know the risks involved with pinksheet stocks, but I also know the rewards. Alright I am done ranting, good day all.
Whoa, what the heck is going on with the spread on the B/A this morning, is anyone else seeing .0078x.0125
Hayseed
"I can only recommend to accumulate shares at this moment even if you have to BID higher than ASK to get them, still unusually cheap for what is coming."
That is somewhat of a problem, until the court case gets resolved and they get us off the grey sheets we have no idea what the bid or ask is.
Hayseed
"I stated they were diluting last year and I stated they are diluting STILL...Well, from May 20th till today there are much more than 1,472,689,000 shares in the O/S aren't there....THOSE shares were not sold at .001 were they?"
As far as the dillution that is no big secret, I am assumming you are not taking credit for discoving that.
As far as what price the shares since the 20th were sold for there is nothing documented so your guess is as good as mine for the time being, but in the end either of our answers to the question are a guess until verified.
"You missed my point...thats ok...I speak a different language than most...I am from Mars...."
LOL...your alright
And this has what to do with the qeustion you asked that I replied to? Why would I take it up with Itrader hes not the one saying the numbers don't add up, which they clearly do.
so where are the rest? When did they raise the A/S again cuz they couldn't have sold shares in 2009 if they didn't raise it till 2010....???? Or could they????
.001 x 539,648,577 = $472,689 ?????
Well you are figuring it on todays OS, the OS on 5-20-10 (which is the date the filing is referencing was 1,462,081,010. So why don't you take 462,081,010 and add the 10,000,000 (+ or - a few) that was left before the AS increase and add them together. Now divide that by $472,689............does that add up a little closer.
100K in volume so far today, thats the first volume there has been in a while, hopefully thats a good sign, at least there is still a heartbeat.
Hayseed
So you saying in April 2010 the OS were 462,081,010 and now a billion shares later we are at 1,462,081,010.............Cuz that wasn't the OS in April 2010.
And yes at the average I am in at I am currently green so yeah, its been a good investment so far, it was even better last summer when I sold.
I stand corrected on the pinksheets issue, I did know at one point but it slipped my mind while I was typing. I usually deal with pinksheet co's and while checking into this company to decide if I wanted to put any money into it they have alot of attributes the pinksheet companies have. Oh well I'll keep it on my radar for when the prices get much cheaper and for now put my money into cabinet making companies trading on the pinksheets, I am sure I can find one of them somewhere.
Hayseed
Wouldn't you think that the fact that a LOU even exists would give people a clue to the fact that it is not a contract. If people believe that it is legally binding and unbreakable, ask yourself, why does this exist than. If you were looking to sign something legally binding and unbreakable wouldn't you just sign a contract? I have seen these and LOI used several times in the pinky world as nothing more than a carrot. It is rare that anything ever comes into fruition on these in the pinksheet world.
edit: BTW member mark for ya
Hayseed
It appears you are correct, it is nothing more than a summary of a verbal agreement, very similar to a LOI. In this day and age verbal agreements don't mean to much.
Letter of Understanding
From Apply Now, former About.com Guide
Filed In:Glossary/FAQDefinition: Consultants may provide a new client with a LOU, or Letter of Understanding. This is a formal, written letter that reviews the terms of agreement for a proposed project and the contract that will be issued for the project. The LOU may provide such things as a detailed summary of the work to be performed, responsibilities of the consultant and the client, identify agreed-upon milestones for the work, and introduce key contractual terms (such as payment terms). A letter of understanding often summarizes a verbal agreement to made with a client to initiate a project.
http://consulting.about.com/od/glossaryfaq/g/CF_LetterUnd08.htm
My mother was the head of the admin. council for the catholic chuch I grew up in. They were responsible for the ordering of all supplies and sundries for the chuch. I spent much time watching my mother sort through catalogue upon catalogue to find the best price for the items she would order. This was one of the larger churches in the area (about 600-650 memebers) and I can assure you the last thing that was being looked for when ordering suppies was vatican approval, even with the candles. I'm not saying thier won't be a certain amount of churchs that might buy candles and other sundries that have the vatican approval but honestly I don't believe it will hold near as much influence as you are hoping for.
Hayseed
Check your math, I come up with 4.8 million shares not 480 million if it was all bought for .025
Hayseed
Where do you get 1.6 billion in dillution in a month? The AS was 1 billion (almost maxed out) a couple months ago and is currently 2 billion AS with 1.4 billionish shares outstanding. That doesn't add up to me unless you can shed some light on it.
Hayseed
Have fun with that buddy lol.....damn the man, you'll show all ya all.
That would explain the drought we have had on volume lately if Zecco has cut off buying and selling. Let us know if you call customer service and they confirm that, if you please.
Hayseed
Are we still at 2 MM's on the ask at .0002?
Hayseed
I've seen that discussed on some of your past postings on this board. Thats why part of me thinks that could be one of the two reasons this could be made to run. You had said you have held this for three years and I am sure there are alot of others in the same boat. I haven't been here quite that long but can imagine my boiling point would be met by that point. If the legal group you spoke of starts putting any heat to prmo I think it would be in thier best interest to start putting out info. to make it run. One it takes away (or at least puts alot of grey area) in a legal case agaist them, two it would allow them to dillute more and put more money in thier pocket, three it saves any legal fees assosiated with defending themselves in costly litigation, four it allows angry and frusterated longs a entry point (thus creating a new crop of investors that are not at thier boiling point yet) and buying themselves a few more years before they are in this situation again, and five and most important is if they are getting any legal heat coming towards them they will want to do as much as they can to diffuse the situation so they do not have to open up their books for the SEC which would result in someone going to prison if I was a betting man. Now I don't know thier reasons for not making gold sales and gold findings public and verifiable, I would think that would be something to celebrate on thier end but they choose to be hush hush about it. My gut tells me it is so they can pocket the money and not pay taxes on it and the last thing in the world they want is the SEC poking around in thier bussiness. I don't know maybe I am grabbing at straws here on this theory but it makes sense in my mind, and if it is the case we all stand to make alot of money. I am going to be away from the computer for the weekend so if I do not respond I am not being rude, just not availble. Have a great weekend all
Hayseed
You have to have Lv3 access to know that, only the mm's have access to Lv3.
Hayseed
Agreed,
This is a lotto play pure and simple, if they back up any of the information on the annual reports with verifiable facts we get rich in what I belive will be in a hurry too. If they don't we sit here floundering around much as we have been. I think the two options above are abosolutes as far as what will happen, get rich or flounder around. The lotto part of this play depends soley on the company, are they going to make us rich, or have us continue to flounder around. I feel eventually they are going to make this thing run for two reasons, to dillute even more, which is the obvious reason. The other being to offer their long term bag holders who are fed up and ready to seek legal action and involve the SEC a chance to get out. By doing this they get a whole new crop of bagholders, they than have bought themselves a couple of years before the new crop of bag holders get to thier boiling point, and the circle of life continues. The real threat here is not getting out before a R/S but as of right now I am not even close to concerned about that since the last share structure I saw shows they have billions left to dillute before I feel they would even consider that. Good luck to everyone here and hopefully this board will be all a flutter with excitement in the upcoming days.
Hayseed
I don't know but I likes it, it always seems there are those in the know about good news long before the rest of us find out, this gives me some hope that something good will be coming our way.
Hayseed
Sorry BDUBS I do not have PM capablities so I have to respond publically, but to answer your qeustion no it was not a market order, just a regular limit order, and it was not AON. Sell order placed Thursday morning, finished filling this morning. Good luck to you.
Hayseed
I can verify my sells to add merit to your test sells, I put in a sell order yesterday morning for 6,000,000 @.0001. It was broken into about 4 different transactions and 3 mill were sold in the first two hours after placing my order, all but 350,001 were sold yesterday which those sold this morning for me. I thought I might make some money on this but am not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling I was hoping for so I jumped ship. GLTY
Addition: that was through e-trade.
Hayseed
Really....don't make me do that again it was painful enough the first time. You have to read the whole thread to catch the humor in it.
Buying when remember if proce on OCT stocks is up 3-4 days remember simple buy low it and sell when its is highest, very suimple. I on google read this and advices I can give now to all OCT investors since I red this about on google. If missed you this message, OK it is for you cents I will post same thing over and over again cents message important for eggyolks.
"but no problem the stockprice is still by 0,0002 then it will fall to 0,0001 it have to fall to 0,0001"
Wow you learn all sorts of amazing things on Google!!
"then I will buy, because my friend you are one of those person who will pushed this shiiiit stock to higher levels,
thanks,"
Are you implying I am a pumper for this stock? you must have based it upon the fact this is my third post ever for this stock (I can see how you would have came to that ASSumption), one was a qeustion about the divi and two were spent shooting down your credibility (not that I really have to do that, but I thought I would lend you a hand).
Well he did go to google to learn how to invest (read below), so he must be an authority......right. I mean thats how all the pros learn how to invest is by googling it for a half an hour and than you get rich, it is just that easy.
Posted by: petrit Date: Monday, April 26, 2010 3:37:01 PM
In reply to: blackfish who wrote msg# 104708 Post # of 105019
yes maybe,
but, I am very sure that this is a shellcompany like many many others,
so I try to explain people not to buy those stocks by higher levels,
If a otc stock for example synj rise from 0,0002 to 0,004 so never never buy it by 0,004 because this stock will fall again to 0,0002 very simple, this happen with all otc stocks,
because there are people which are profesionals to push stocks higher like Synj. so they buy it by 0,0002 and sell their stocks to you by 0,004.
never never buy a otc stock which was rising during 3 or 4 days
go to google and take information about otc and then you will understand many things,
I wish you the best with your synj stock believe me,
I am waitin by 0,0001 then I will buy some millions,