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EPGL looks like a selloff on good news. Maybe a good watch to see if it falls more tomorrow. Maybe a bounce on Tuesday.
Is this off to the moon yet? I'm ready to sell this for a 1/3 of what I paid...based on today's performance, I'm not the only one.
You can't really say if I've been wrong to this point as nothing has happened that would make that statement true.
I haven't said I'm running out to buy a Porsche or Bentley or made any ridiculous share price predictions either.
Here's what we do know though. EPGL:
1) No contact info, no physical locations, no staff/officers announced.
2) No updates as to the restriction of shares for the debt, i mean equity holders. It sounds so much better that way.
3) No filings, no finances
4) Is the MPDD device ready for production, do they have interest, orders? What will be required to train people to use the device, is this in place?
And the questions right now are almost endless, yet this is the play of the year?
And we know that most if not all pennies and subs post R/S take a dump...we'll see how accurate that prediction is when the 8th rolls around.
I've also been here long enough to watch the previous pumps and dumps, misleading PR's and complete disregard for shareholders what so ever.
This post attacks no one, nor are their any untruths. I do expect it will remain, thank you.
In response to H8ster's post...
Hey man good post. Agree 100% If this survives the R/S they'll have to pump the hell out of it for it to stay above water.
Unfortunately, you and I have been here long enough to have seen what happens when things aren't in order.
I suspect the same thing is going to happen again. Without the knowledge about debt, I mean equity shares, being restricted, this is a complete crap shoot.
I can say with certainty that your theory about bagholders, flippers and day traders is spot on. If they pump after the R/S this will take a certain beating. If they don't we'll be right back to .0001 fairly quick.
Several people indicated it might be a good buy after it takes a pps beating post R/S...I'd agree based on the assumption they aren't just running it to pay off the equity holders.
SLOOOOOWWWW day at EPGL for sure, well except the pre-holiday dumping. Guess the new company, whoever they are, aren't interested in updating contact info, websites or anything pre-r/s. Seems like a big mistake to me if they want to seem legit. I maintain this is a pump and dump as it was in the past so maybe they just don't care that anyone can contact them or that they have physical offices. Kinda scary.
It took that company 5 years and consistent filings, financial reports etc, to get to where they are.
EPGL is not even in the same class as GTHP at this point. They also have multiple products for the detection of several cancers, again, not even the same ballpark.
EPGL has a glorified infared muscle heat treatment device. It may or may not take off and be the next big thing in pain management. We have NO idea what the market for this device is and if the market will be interested.
Heck EPGL hasn't even announced their officers and has no website/phone number or physical offices.
Talking dollars here is honestly very very misleading and immoral for future investors. I'd rather miss the train, if it actually departs, then invest everything based on someone posting this is going to dollars, sorry if that's soooo horrible.
Regardless of what the device does, we know nothing about the company and it's plans...refer back to the last paragraph.
See now that's a post that is openminded and explores both sides of what might happen here. I appreciate your posts Johnny. They are REAL!
I'd say .50-$10 is a HUGE pipe dream here, if they successfully sell the MPDD, which won't happen for a while, possibly a year or two or even more, then I could see it making it to .10, .20, maybe even more, but until that happens, this won't be trading at dollars anytime soon. For any of that to happen, they'll need to report sales, file every filing on time and keep investors in the loop, complete transparency. We'll see.
I think potential investors need to realize that. Talk of Bentleys and stuff is crazy talk at this point. That could happen, someday if they are legit and don't just make the stock rise to let the equity holders sell their shares and then disappear, but they'll R/S again before they ever get to that point and they need literally millions and millions of dollars of sales to ever see $10 a share.
If you want to say this might make a penny, I could see that possibly, anymore is just dreaming now though and even that's a stretch anytime soon.
5 Reasons why this will fall post R/S
1) The company has not yet announced any timelines. Nor do we know any details about the company. They do not have a website currently which is the new company. Eparent is no longer part of EPGL. They will have to announce specific company details including website, the new CEO, directors and other staff. A physical location is always nice if you're planning to invest money in something too.
2) The company has NO/0 reported income. Marketing and selling a product takes capital which this company has yet to show any. They will need to announce where their financing to produce and market a medical device will come from.
3) The MPDD device may or may not be ready for production. It takes time to develop and source manufacturers and set up machinery for the manufacturing process. In addition there will be packaging, possible training and other education that will have to accompany the device.
4) We know absolutely nothing that has been more than "I called PWC and they said" as to the details of the equity holders restriction and whether they can sell into each PR that the new company releases. The full disclosure of whether the shares are restricted or not, will need to become transparent.
5) For the company to succeed and "build shareholder value" they will need to answer all of these questions as well as release PR's regarding MPDD sales contracts, release timely filings and financial statements.
If at least half of these questions are not answered pre-R/S there's no doubt that this stock won't sustain 00's for very long. They have 4 trading days to do so...
Disagree if you like, but nothing above is not factual here. They have given shareholders nothing concrete to this point...just dreams until it becomes real with the above info.
I think a lot of bagholders like myself are just wanting to get a portion of their money back possibly after camping on "we have military contracts" for almost 2 years now. I suspect this may run, I just don't trust the company old or new until they deliver something that's real...no more we might get military contracts or we have a device...this company MUST release numbers, contracts, filings and more or it's right back to where we are now and super quickly.
I'm willing to concede that the equity holders want their money or they wouldn't convert debt to shares, I'm willing to concede that the device may have some potential, but if this company doesn't play this right, none of that matters. If they release a bunch of garbage so their equity holders can sell into them, this is all over.
I'm willing to play my hand, though I don't trust the dealer in this game until they prove they're not stealing my chips. Well you know what I mean.
Lots of nice weekend profit taking...this looks like a great flipper as .0001's and .0002's are gonna be around for a while it seems.
Black, the only way this defies R/S gravity is if the company has some HARD HITTING PR's about contracts and such for the device. We still have no idea if the device is even ready for any kind of production, client deals and how they intend to market it. As someone with a business, I can tell you that people don't just find out about you and your products, they'll need to do some serious marketing to make sales and income happen. If these things don't follow, almost immediately, this will certainly dump like most if not all penny stocks do post R/S. That's not to say it can't come back, but if we go into the R/S at say .0003 > .003 it will most definitely be back to trips shortly, if not the same day. This isn't speculation, this is looking a the full spectrum of stocks that R/S and the patterns they follow. They all dump. It really doesn't matter what they could or would or should until they DO.
I think at one time you said you wouldn't buy this until after the R/S...that was good advice!
Viking did you get your .0001's yesterday?
Johnny, I agree 100% that this will be back to trips post R/S...whether .0005 is the number, we'll just have to see, but the company won't be able to prop it up without something very serious released the same day as the R/S. No matter what the potential, it'll run briefly, then the flippers and bagholders will sink it without some BIG news.
Get your .0001's...guaranteed to give you .001...and then probably back down to .0001 again post R/S...lotto here, lotto here!
Who wouldn't want out of this? I can tell you right now that most of the people who have held shares for 2 years can't wait to sell this for even a portion of their money back which is the only reason we voted to R/S. Even the few that post regularly here are chomping at the bit to drop this turd, they're just hoping their posts will entice others to buy so they can get out. I could care less if EP sells 10 million back pain devices. I'm not camping on this any longer than I have to. Lots of great stocks out there that don't play shell games and let their "equity" holders dump into their PR's like this one.
I'm confused Black, didn't their PR say the equity conversion was "now" where are you getting that it has not happened? Sounds like heresay to me since they said that in their PR.
You can have all 10M of mine, step right up to .0005 again and it's all yours. Someone else dumped theirs for sure it went down about as fast and it went up. Unfortunately, the shows over today! I wonder how much more "equity" we'll see dumped on the next PR
I'll agree with that unless AJW's shrares are not restricted and they are able to dump day after day, PR after PR and no filings occur to help prop it up. This tanks back to trips as most pennies do post R/S, we're all royally hosed. Let's pray the new epgl is reporting and has income unlike the old!
You mean if they saw how companies with debt converted to equity never go anywhere because NIR owns so many shares that they have their MM constantly dumping shares almost daily as the company puts out PR's and everyone else is buying. That's been my experience. Everytime you think a stock should be moving, there's NITE dumping shares for NIR an the stock never moves or tanks further into the toilet.
Anyone buying this stock needs to be aware that NIR basically owns this company they have so many shares in it now. It may NEVER go anywhere.
Sad, but likely very true!
You keep saying everyone will be chasing this but you have nothing to back that up.
Buying a ticket to .001 is math, not magic and makes this stock no more valuable than it is right now, it just makes it easier to find suckers to buy more shares.
EPGL the facts as they stand right now, no fluff, no hot air...
1) They're non-reporting
2) They aren't selling anything (unless you count shares)
3) They have no revenue (show me a filed financial statement, not a PR)
4) They are not reducing the A/S count (as per their PR about the 10/1 R/S)
5) We don't even know if this device is ready to sell. It could be two years to produce, package, market and sell. They have mentioned nothing about it.
6) Pinksheets.com has them listed at the bottom of their stinky pinksheet ratings.
These are the facts, they may not be what everyone wants to hear, nevertheless they're facts
Agree 110%! they'll be back to selling shares after the R/S. There may be a run slightly on anticipation but then the company will dump millions of shares to raise revenue since they aren't selling anything. I wouldn't buy a single share now. Wait till it dumps post R/S if you actually see a future for this company. I wouldn't touch it unt then, of course i'm already buried in shares i can't dump now. Hate to see someone else get fooled into thinking this is a major lotto pick. Maybe someday if they're reporting, have sales and update shareholders and pinksheets, right now they're just another stinky pink in my eyes!
With the history of this company, i'd expect it to run on news and anyone smart will take their money and do the same thing. They'll most definitely raise the A/S and max out the O/S to raise capital as they aren't selling anything yet! Then, if this medical device sells and they do things right, meaning keep current with filings, update shareholders and pinksheets as well as follow through with PR's, they'll R/S again because they'll have to if the stock is ever to go anywhere. These are all huge hypotheticals though. I wouldn't count on much to happen. If you have extra money to lose, roll the dice here. Just know there are a lot of bagholders here, that were completely hosed by the outgoing management that may be blowing some fluff to get out! All my opinion, if you believe the company is on the up and up then do what you see fit. I'll believe it when i see it is my mentality here.
So has EPGL announced when the R/S will take place? Been a feew weeks hasn't it? Seems odd that they wouldn't want current investors and those who might be interested in the stock to know when everything is going down. Should hear something this week if they are going to announce it eh?
Must be millions and millions of .0001's out there too, seeing as though it just won't uptick no matter how much is purchased. Wonder how long after the R/S they'll start dilluting shares too, guessing a A/S raise will happen pretty quick after since they won't have sold anything or be generating any revenue for a while. They'll have to be selling something, might as well be shares.
I certainly hope so. When the company PR's and follows up with filings and financial statements i'll jump on the happy train. At this point they managed to get the shareholders to approve R/S, have PR'd nothing about when it will take place or any other forward statements, filings etc... At this point, i don't believe anything i read and don't trust them any further than i could throw ol Joe. Filings are trustworthy, PR's don't mean squat in toilet sub penny land.
The proof has yet to be seen imo! If we get there then i'll hop on the lotto ticket train
Steeler if you're trying to tell me that 3 years ago ol Joe planned to lose 800k and his job so the company could sell a medical pain device i've got some ocean front property...informed investor is an oxymoron with this company imo
So you're thinking they're sketchy now? I have news for you, no PR needed, this company has been sketchy since day 1, i don't trust a word they say in a PR. They'd have told you anything to get the R/S approved, and now they have it...
Playing in the stock market does NOT mean a company has the right to liquidate it's shareholders under false pretenses and disappear as this one did under the helm of the previous ceo. I'm sorry but pumping with a PR that promises the sun so your debtors can sell to cash in should be criminal in my opinion. If you look, it's not hard to tell that's what happened here. Hopefully, that changes with this new gadget. I'll believe it when i see it!
I'll believe it when my account shows the money they borrowed from me when they sold me out to NIR is back!
It may or it may just tank back to trips like most R/S sub penny stocks do post split. It'll take a freakin rocket to launch this out of turdville imo, it will be at least a year before anyone should be talking craziness. The company can say whatever it wants to in PR's, as they've done for years, until they show some sales, some finacial reports and keep current with their filings, there will be no pennies, there will be no uplists, there will be nothing except a lot of bagholders waiting. Just as there has been for the past 2-3 years.
There's a shocker...
I doubt it seriously...more like the R/S happens and it's .001, maybe run to .004 and then tank back to where we are now. Just another sham in my honest opinion. They'll have to seriously work to make this do anything after the past 2 years of nonsense.
100% on Topic Admin...
Looks like it's discounted to $10 with a bunch of used one's already...must be destined for the NYT Bestseller list, kind of like this stock.
I'm interested to know what, if anything will make people chase this after the R/S? Most likely you'll see a little run and then it will dump back into 000's because of bagholders thankful to get out with a portion of their money from the past 2 years of waiting. There's no reason or indication for this stock/company to have any run of anykind. There are no sales, no filings, no anything to indicate there's anything here more than another shell game. If you have something to indicate otherwise, please do share.
Don't get me wrong, I hope you're right!
Man with all this monster volume I know this is going to explode any second. .0002's coming any time now and then to pennies for sure. Those darn MM's must be holding it back. EPGL is just too big to not explode though. With this new product they're selling it's going to be a monster.
Sounds silly doesn't it...please stop, sit back and watch. It certainly isn't going to be a fast road to riches here. If you don't know, you know.
Most of the time after a stock has a R/S it runs very briefly on adreneline and then it tanks. I guess if you want to play this stock I'd agree with you. Buy it now, get out when it hits .004 or .005 and then buy in cheap again if your DD tells you this device exists and is being sold and the company files something ever that show that. Otherwise, play it and move on imo. I'll be happy if I can recover my money honestly.
Let's be realistic though. For this to EVER see pennies, as you've claimed numerous times now, it will need to be current with it's filings, show some type of income from the sales of the so called device and have solid filings that support it's PR's. Without these things it'll end up right back where it's been for the past year, NOT TRADING with a ton of bagholders.
Agreed 100%, this has been a cash cow for a certain someone for a long time. I believe this is just another smoke and mirror move to trick more into investing into a sinking turd. I'll believe it when I see it is for sure the phrase to sum up how I feel about this one. GL to all the bagholders who believed the hot air and fluffy PR's spouted from the previous management.
You do realize of course that buying now or buying after the R/S is the same right? My 2M shares will be 200,000 but worth the same. The only thing that will possibly get this to pennies is if
A) The new company sells something and makes money
B) Files paperwork with the SEC ever
C) Does something more than release PR's that are empty promises
D) Has a management that doesn't host meetings in their kitchen
E) Doesn't make promises that never come true
F) Doesn't have a CEO or management with severe attitude problems
But hey if all of those things are in place, sure a penny could be possible. Had you been here for more than a week or two you might be a tad bit skeptical though. GL
Me too! This turd was ready to be flushed, maybe it'll at least float to the top of the bowl after the R/S, doubtful, but there's always a chance just like buying a Powerball ticket. This seems like another slip and slide of the hand to me reorganizing as a medical device company, but hey maybe they'll actually sell something and go legit.
I think he's a giant douschebag. Every interaction i've had with him was like dealing with a 15 year old. He needs to get a job in fast food and learn some customer service skills and manners. Good riddance!
Of course, just like me, so you can have a hint of hooe of recovering the investment you made. I say buy buy buy this stock, it's going to explode!
It's funny how new names show up and suddenly we're off to the moon. Those that have been here for 1 1/2 or more years know the B.S that's happened here and the things that have and have not happened. How's it go? I'll believe it when the fat lady sings or in this case the fat man in his kitchen with floral wallpaper, still my favorite!
So when can we expect all of the details of this? 2013? I, like most of us that have been here for a while, would love to see any recovery of my investment. I do not believe however that will happen. Joe cares nothing about the shareholders, as he's proven on several occasions to me, so I fully expect a 25:1 or 50:1 RS which would mean we all lose. I will keep an open mind until we see the details, but I don't suspect Joe's looking out for the best interests of current shareholders now anymore than he was 6 months ago, a year ago, 2.
Agreed, i will vote no if current shareholders get screwed with the deal. I may lose a couple grand, but at least i'm not giving them a free pass to screw shareholders again!
Anyone communicate with the dirt ball CEO lately?
Here4beer the O/S is maxed so there won't be more share dumped unless they raise it.
I think this is just DONE...should be revoked in my opinion. It will NOT trade again without the CEO making good on his PR from more than a year ago.
This wouldn't be trading even if it weren't on this list. Ol Joe and NIR already made sure that the piggy bank went dry. Sucks as i'm sure all of us would love to have our cash back. Lesson learned. When you play with shit, you always get some on yourself!