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Thanks again Argus,
I'll keep looking and calling.
My understanding is that the CUSIP# is the same as the claim #. Each class of stock/trust has a different #. I've used the ones for JQ's
For the rest of procedure, who to submit to, etc....it seems like a load of crap for now.
I was tuning in hourly to IHub and the bankruptcy proceedings for Washington Mutual (I was a holder), and there was alot of voluntary confusion and misinformation, originating from official entities (Debtor, Equity committee etc) with regards to specific . We got shafted out of our due anyway, despite the online shareholder community's best efforts to have our rights to distribution upheld.
Back to Lehman, I'll keep at it until I can get a clear response concerning the submission of the forms. Please share if you have any updates.
Hi again Argus,
Did you manage to get RBC to accept your forms so that they would submit them to Computershare?
TD Waterhouse is not cooperating (despite numerous attempts) so I went ahead and submitted directly to Epiq by registered mail.
I'm guess Computershare needs to get the docs too as per the instructions on the Notice, but I had the same useless response from Computershare as others on this forum (we'll 'escalate' your request).
If anybody has a clue on how to proceed, please share. thanks.
I'm doing the same, will send both forms directly to Epiq myself, and will ask TD to send both forms to Computershare as well.
I guess there's nothing to do for the preferred trusts for now, but will keep my eyes and ears peeled.
Hi Argus,
If I read correctly, you're in Canada, like me. I own JQ and LQ. Do we need to put in any type of specific claim/form to Lehman directly or via broker to W8Ben or other to preserve our rights to distribution should it come along?
If anyone else can help, please do. Thanks in advance.
I voted by phone with Ameritrade's parent here in Canada. They claim everything is fine and that I have nothing else to do.
I did the same and registered my votes with TD Waterhouse.
Anyone have a clue whether or not we need to send in a master ballot (hard copy) as well? The TD rep told me there were no such instructions at their end, and that the votes were counted and my shares frozen.
Is this as of today?
I spoke to Waterhouse on Friday and they were in the dark. I even emailed the ballots to them (which I got from KCC) and they were still in the dark, telling me not to send them in until they give me the green light.
Thanks edev,
I will get on it. I've got a feeling that if I trust the process here, I will get shafted.
Any idea if TD north of the border uses the same 3rd party?
So far, I've been told to sit tight and shut up.
Sorry, long overdue...I haven't been in here awhile.
Here's the link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/38470005/09-04-10-Compiled-StatIstics-of-US-Department-of-Justice-Public-Inegrity-Section-reporting-indictments-of-state-judges-over-the-past-25-years-s
I don't know if the link is still live, it's blocked at my office.
Looks like we're all getting the same answers...
Here's what I encountered. I've been after TD Waterhouse (my broker here in Canada) for the past few days to get them to contact KCC. They gave me the go-around: 'we've got nothing yet bla bla', so I contacted KCC myself and got the ballots. I forwarded the ballots to TD, and they said that they wouldn't take them yet (see email below).
This is making me somewhat nervous...and it wouldn't be far-fetched to presume that there are forces out there trying to make us lose our stake.
Hello Mayna,
Please ask client to hold off, we are presently not accepting these until we determine proper course of action.
This is not a simple matter of fill and mail, we need to (among other things) determine tax consequences for client, and determine if DTC has determined mechanics to block off these shares upon receipt of these instructions. Our passing on of client’s instructions are null, unless the shares are blocked afterwards.
We also need to determine which group at TD will accept responsibility of tabulating these and forward exact matching instructions to the bankruptcy trustee and then have the shares blocked.
Please urge patience to the client, we will advise on next course of action.
Regards,
Yousuf Ahmed
Lead Officer, Special Processing
Corporate Actions Department
TD Waterhouse Canada Inc.
Seriously....she has to know what's going on.
I think she is tiptoeing around all the thorny issues the best she can. Think about it, her career and her life are in jeopardy.
We've seen the articles circulating about a year ago on Federal judges, including Walwrath, being investigated for corruption. Man, that was put to rest quick and quietly.
The whole Delaware BK Court racket is coming to light. I pray that we will create jurisprudence to permanently shut down this Hedgy vulturing scheme, and numerous other crooked mechanisms aiming to create an all-powerful banking oligopoly and the dreaded New World Order.
Well, they've had nearly 3 years to settle, and they didn't take the opportunity....
''you do it to yourself, you do....and that's why it really hurts''
Heads will roll...
Judge Mary, if you don't smarten up fast, it may be yours too!
This whole scandal will burst at the seams. I won't underestimate the mind-control power of our Israeli-American media complex, but we are gaining informed citizens.
No seals! Let us expose the greatest criminals of our generation.
yes it is illegal...form of fraud.
This type of wrongdoing is monitored by the SEC, but the SEC has next to no staff, and does not enforce anything.
Price fixing (by using naked shorts or other fraudulent mechanisms) is becoming widespread and almost accepted....that's the scary part.
He will show those men of will, what will really is.
I just spent the last hour perusing the web to see what I could dish up on this trial, on how WaMu was gifted to JPM etc etc
I already knew their was as widespread gag order on anything close to the truth on this topic, but I was once again appauled. If anyone calls me a conspiracy theorist again, I think I will punch him in the face.
It's taking forever for America, and even the rest of the world, to open up their eyes.
You'll notice that the various headlines on the WaMu trial in recent weeks are trying to pit common share holders against the prefs: One wants the other to take a haircut, the other made a potential settlement collapse etc etc. This is only true if we're dealing with an estate worth mere pennies to the dollar, if virtually all assets stolen are dissimulated for good.....but....
THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY FOR EVERYONE!!!! WE ALL KNOW IT! Rosen said 32 Billion when he took over the estate, Justin Nelson said 33 Billion in the December conf. hearings....it's all there.
Cut the BS Wallstreet Journal, Reuters and company...we know who's hand you eat out of....yes the clique, the Federal Reserve gang.
Not IMHO...THE TRUTH!
I strongly suspect that Solomon's numbers are in that vicinity, which means that there 10-15$ for each common share once everyone else has been paid in full. I don't think OUR money will be handed over quite easily, but it's there to go grab back. This scandal has to hit the headlines...and the real story!
it still doesn't explain where the rest of the 32-33 billion dollars, recognized by both Rosen and Justin Nelson, goes.
i think it should go into our collective pockets. :)
My work involves urban planning legislation and I deal with lawyers who plead on a daily basis. Those who put this type of whining in writing tend to be those who don't have a case and are fishing for anything and everything.
That's how I see Aurelius' counsel. You're irritable because of a few million dollars in defense fees? Think of all that has been milked from WaMu's estate.
Aurelius are the victims??? boohoohoo :(
The judge has made it most clear that she is not there to rule...but rather just there to watch and make the occasional quirky comment.
If she was really in the business of handing out rulings, we'd have our 4B$ from the summary judgment back, and Rosen, FDIC and JPM would have been slapped on the hand a few times for proposing agreements that violate the law (tax refunds for the FDIC and for JPM who benefited from TARP? WTF?).
double post...all is good
Every word out of Kosturos' mouth is more dollars for the estate.
These characters REEEEEEK of crime, fraud, deception and abuse...yet they sit down in a Federal courtroom, babble, lie, stutter and confuse...and no one with any real authority sees a problem or can do anything about it.
Viva la revolucion!
My fingers are crossed buddy.
I will stay tuned.
He was quite the buffoon at the confirmation hearings in December. His voice resonated with guilt.
I wonder if the 'weak' spots in this conspiration, like Kosturos, become murder targets when the EC starts picking at them.
I'm not joking; I'm really curious as to why that JPM exec was gunned down 2 years ago after dropping his kid off at daycare. Rumor has it he was in close on the WaMu rape...was he prepared to be whistleblower? It's the truth: the Fed Reserve/Wall Street 'click' is not a stranger to murder...but the more media attention is on this trial and the events that preceded it, the harder it becomes for these people to kill.
There's a pile of documentaries out there...God bless those who have the courage to stare this demon in the eyes.
I guess JPM and FDIC aren't feeling the heat enough just yet.
Part of me wants quick and fair settlement and recovery, part of me wants to see the perpetrators wiggle for freedom in a DC trial.
It baffles me that debtor/FDIC/JPM are hoping for a settlement and releases, yet they don't seem to want to bring anything of value to the table. Newco and NOLs are great, but if there's nothing else for equity, then the heist will have been a success for the thieves in question.
I've chosen to trust Susman abilities and intentions, but it's also nerve-racking to see such little progress. I've never called or attempted to predict the date of a settlement, but I have high hopes for this weekend.
The hedgies are the door in for equity, but we're not going to get to an acceptable settlement offer until JPM and FDIC start digging into their own pockets...
Does anybody have a photo of Jamie D in a robe carrying out a human sacrifice?
Halelujah!
So am I correct in saying that what we're waiting for POR v.7 by Friday's close? I understand that this may once again be postponed, in classic WaMu fashion. No other developments?
My apologies, I've just been way too busy to stay apprised of recent developments.
POST FROM LEHJQ BOARD: Nate's audio from the hearing.
Surely we have someone here that is as sharp or sharper than this young man, when will we ever get OUR day in court? Copied from wamuq at yahoo board......."WaMa Little Guys' Hero" is the title!...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304778304576377880810167382.html
snapshot of paper:
http://uploadpic.org/v.php?img=HVUC9KKnOY, DATED June 11. 2011, thanks for reading, Curtis and Jill......Quite the thread @ Yahoo about this on message board I might add....http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_W/threadview?m=te&bn=86316&tid=767135&mid=767135&tof=6&frt=1#767135
Hmm...like others on this board, I have serious doubts that the plan will be gift-wrapped and handed over to the judge.
For the first time, Rosen may not be in quite a rush to get this over with, as I am certain his informal superiors aren't so eager to fork over equity's due.
The situation is much better than it was prior to March 12th, 2010, but the pps refuses to reflect this. MMs must be trading with each other to force downwards pressure on pps.
Crooked and wicked games all the way. We ain't getting anything easy, I'm convinced of that, and that's why we are hoping that Susman's got solid proof of IT or fraudulent conveyance, and that he will milk it.
The JPM, FDIC, SEC, OTS, DOJ, FedReserve alliance will CERTAINLY try to seduce equity and then shove us into a bear trap. That's how they operate, and these ego-maniacs will have a hard time admitting defeat.
Easy, easy on the hostilities. Yes the USA is a frustrating and savage place, but it is also the land that may allow us to coast to riches by buying into the BK trial of the century, Wamu.
This continues to make no sense. How can the Ms be 250% more than the Js?
Those are the figures I've presumed would be the first serious 'low-ball' offer from the crook aliance. That would financially satisfy those who bought in post heist, although maybe not morally.
Then there are those who lost it all, because WaMu represented a low-risk investment when it was a healthy and well-run thrift. There doesn't seem to be a ton of original shareholders left, but those people deserve a bare-minimum of 8$ a share because they were robbed. A share is a share, so post-heist investors benefit as well.
How much we gonna get?
And all we can do is spread the word on forums...
Yes, some people are dismissive, because the truth is scary.
that's evil. A few hundred people had their hearts skip a beat.