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meals? ya mean they have food here? cool!
I DEMAND A NEW TRIAL!...AND SOME G.D. WATER!!
jtw, are you sure you're looking at the right Gryphon? I didn't see any news about a merger with an African company.
Gryphon Gold (OTC BB: GYPH) also Toronto: GGN
I still think there's a good chance it's the one.
We'll know next week.
ag, does this look familiar?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=58731283
Get with the program, bro.
Yes, your logic is correct except for the goo is what's collected and then converted to fert/silver. He does have a process though to replace the use of cyanide for this heap leaching but it's yet to be commercialized. He decided to commercialize the fert first. I bet he regrets that decision now. But then again he would have figured out a way to screw up if he went the other direction first also. Bottomline though, your logic is correct and the potential on several fronts is enormous. Unfortunately, it's too much for the WhitGenius to handle. He can't even explain what he has. All we need is a businessman. Lose Billy and hire a CEO to run the show. Whit should be wearing a lab coat and get the hell out of the way! This would be a $10 stock by June.
I'm just hoping and praying every day this thing goes despite Whit. It is possible.
harpe, all of the gold and minerals are all mixed together. The main value of the property will be in the amount of gold. That's what we're looking for once they drill. I don't think the plan is to take it all the way into production. Just determine the value and let someone else buy it (for like $500M or so). That wouldn't be bad considering it's only worth $8M now. Cha-CHING!
harpe, trust me the focus of Auric is not copper. Whit did not pitch it to investors as a great copper property. It's all about the gold. Any copper/silver/iron ore, etc. is just gravy.
It's Auric Gold.
Why did Whit emphasize copper so much and will he change his tune once this merger thing is done? if he only talks about copper it will have ZERO impact on the pps here. It's all about the gold.
We're watchin' intently, Whit.
Care to elaborate por favor?
pd, when is Humphries and the other clown to be interviewed by the FBI? I know both got extensions but are there new dates?
thanks.
pd, if Humphries spills the beans can it have any effect on the NIR vs. ITRO lawsuit?
$H, can you please explain what ya mean by "promote itself"?
If your hero doesn't release the data then how is anybody supposed to know wtf he thinks is there?
The crap that he's put out so far emphasizes copper. Who cares about copper? If it's all about copper then why didn't he call it Auric Copper? He and only he can promote Auric GOLD. Will be interesting to see if he does. We'll be watching intently.
Hope ya didn't miss me too much.
Are we still thanking Dr. Whitney?
The Q4 and overall 2010 numbers will SUCK bad but Q1 SHOULD be fantastic especially when compared to Q1 2010.
What happens between now and April when the Q1 numbers come out? Anyone? Will the KnuckleheadGenius do anything to attract investors or should I say will he do anything to keep existing investors around?
Yeah, I know, the Auric merger thing is supposed to go thru by Feb. 1. O.K., then what??? Does he promote it or sit on his hands some more? I'm guessing the latter. Why attract attention? God forbid.
FOOD FIGHT!!! Then let's make a run for it!
JAILBREAK TOMORROW AT NOON. SPREAD THE WORD.
interesting......
says up to 5 years
http://www.atomicbobs.com/index.php?mode=read&id=560654
Any word what Epstein's sentence was? Why have one sentencing on the 18th and the other on the 24th? Weren't they tried together? same case, right?
Did Epstein cut a further plea? How can we find out? Information given in a plea bargain isn't made public, right? I guess the only way to know is if the sentence is reduced but that might not happen until after CR is charged, right? Again, please excuse my ignorance...I have no clue how this chit works. Never been in trouble with the law and have no intentions. Stuff that I think is public record I can't even find out. I believe companies don't have to disclose anything other than the existance of a lawsuit.
What is NIR's involvement in the Humphries/Epstein case and is it relevant for the ITRO case? I'm not doubting any wrongdoings are relevant...I'm asking from a legal standpoint if a judge will allow it in consideration for another case?
Also, if Humphries spills the beans on CR, what are we lookin at here? How soon to press charges? days? weeks? months? years? do they have to do another undercover sting operation and maybe by 2019 they'll have some evidence to bring up charges? I have no clue how this chit works. Please fill me in. Ideally I'd love to see this Humphries joker sing and then see CR in handcuffs the next day. Is that possible?
pd, if the ITRO lawyer isn't all over this like white on rice then he's probably on the take. Think that's possible? I just have a very bad vibe about the guy. Called him twice to ask a quick simple question and he hung up on me both times. He's another NYC my chit don't stink bad ass Wall St. type probably. But that's just my opinion. Maybe he's a great lawyer and doing his best and knows all about this stuff you bring up. I just doubt it. I understand being reluctant to talk about anything but JFC he doesn't have to be a prick about it. All I wanted to know was a court date so a friend could attend and fill me in on the outcome. He wouldn't even let me ask the question. Just said call John (the CEO) and hung up. Real douche.
So what can I do? anything? sit and continue drooling on myself and wait to get ass-raped again? From what I've read of the case, ITRO's lawyer is not doing what you're saying.
Hey, any lawyers here want to get involved? The CEO won't take my calls but if anyone here would like to see ITRO beat CR and you have info that might help then by all means give the guy a call.
Ask for Dr. John Whitney and mention the case. He has all calls screened. Good Luck!
or send an email.
here ya go >> http://www.itronics.com/contact.shtml
good stuff
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2010/10/04/daily51.html
http://www.financialfraudlaw.com/lawblog/chips-are-down-officer-jon-charged-securities-fraud/1553
http://www.justice.gov/usao/fls/PressReleases/101206-02.html
Who is John Buckeye Epstein??? He was sentenced Tuesday. Any relevance?
pd, is this the same Humphries?
see #6.
http://www.yasni.co.uk/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcomplianceinsights.typepad.com%2Fwhat_went_wrong%2F2010%2F10%2Ffbi-sting-exposes-underlying-risk-of-penny-stocks.html&name=Steven+Humphries&cat=filter
I see Ingen is mentioned too so I'm assuming this is the NIR cast of low lifes.
and this is far from off-topic. Nice try though.
harpe, yes we should know but the WhitGenius doesn't disclose squat so we won't know. Only S#1 will know but he only lies and sticks his foot in his mouth. S#2 could find out but he's afraid to know anything. God forbid. Btw, I hear S#1 got reprimanded from Whit himself to stay off this board. That's why he disappeared. I think that's some pretty funny crap. Like Whit really believed I reported him to the SEC. lol Why the hell would I do that? I'm not that stupid. There's too much suspicion going on here. The last thing we need is the SEC stickin their nose in anything. Let's see how the Q1 report goes first. Then maybe I'll change my mind.
Let's grow up fellas.
pd, how can this pan out? What evidence from Humphries can be relevant to other ongoing suits? or should I say IS it relevant? I think it should be but I don't know how a judge would rule...especially when the plaintif can secure his retirement if ya know what I mean. I still don't understand how the insider trading charge was just dismissed. The CEO of ITRO emailed CR informing him that sales were not up to expectations due to weather conditions and customer reluctance to switch products (fertilizers). Upon receiving this info he dumped shares. The day after delivery all dumped into the open market destroying the share value. It's a small miracle they're still in business. Btw, the trading records from the MM were all subpeonaed and everything. It's not like this was speculation. They had everything to prove what he knew, when he knew it and what he did. Still it got dismissed. It just blows my freakin mind what this piece of CHIT gets away with. Nothing sticks. WTF is written on his contracts that ensures he wins every time? Is there fine print that says he can rape your daughter too? I mean wtf???
What can ITRO's lawyer do with the Humphries info? Help me out here. I'm between projects and have a lot of free time on my hands. I'm all ears, my man. Talk to me.
pd, what can this Humphries dude give to prosecuters to hang CR out to dry? Look at all the info Dworkin and Yellin offered and what happened to CR? NOTHING. What can Humphries add that will stick to this a-hole. Or should I say is there anything that CR can't pay enough $$$ for to stay outta the slammer?
It's a damn shame that most companies that do business with this jerkoff are all shady at best. This crap that you keep talking about...who really cares when both sides are pieces of chit? They deserve each other! Why not focus on the LEGIT companies like ITRO that are getting screwed?
Sparks, what is your relationship with Ribotsky/NIR?
Btw, Itronics (ITRO) is a legitimate company. Only problem is the CEO is naive and retarded. Your buddy Corey destroyed the pps but they're still alive and kickin'. If any company has a shot at winning in court it's ITRO. It's far from a pump & dump or scam like all the other crap talked about here. The court date should be coming up soon. Watch for it.
Does anybody check out the NIR board?
Supposedly there's some dude named Humphries who is getting sentenced next Monday who has some damning info on CR/NIR. They're saying this guy will be spilling the beans this week to get his sentence lowered. This is very good news for us. If this POS gets busted then we're off the hook. That would be HUGE!
Keep your fingers crossed folks. Whit can't walk and chew gum at the same time. He needs this NIR thing to go away in a BIG way.
He should win anyways but CR has too much money. Money prevails over right/wrong.
carts, please tell me you're not serious about the rain weakening the faults. Please?
Yes, thanks for reminding me, 1.5. There's now plenty of water for both the farmers and the minnow. For years the farmers were cut off so the minnow could be saved downstream. Only in CA are tiny fish more important than people.
Happy MLK Day. I still don't understand why the markets are closed.
Do we get the Q4 results this week?
More importantly, does Whit comment on the perfect weather conditions and near full reservoir conditions? That's been the primary excuse every single year for the past 10+ yrs....not enough water in the reservoirs and water rationing to the farmers. That problem no longer exists. Will he comment on this?
If the snowstorm and flooding rain excuse is used for the Q4 shortfall in fert sales then will he explain that these are not lost sales but only deferred into Q1?
Will he give projection figures or at least a timeframe for the ramping up of Stage 1 so we're not left in the dark?
If he can't do these very simple things in the Q4 PR then is it any wonder that some folks are questioning his intentions and if he's really looking to attract investors or just give us the bare minimum and keep the pps suppressed?
The ball is in his court. It's very easy what he needs to do and what he should do. The only question is will he. We shall see.
Btw, these lame one sentence comments like this from a previous PR >> "We are pleased by these late season orders and very optimistic about 2011 sales projections from our marketing partner."
This is NOT what I'm talking about. If he can't do MUCH better than that then we can only conclude he doesn't want a higher share price.
What's it going to be Dr. Whitney, sir?
Exactly! but if he understates revenues (or God forbid takes Billy's advice again) then less goes to CR and we get fed excuses ad nauseum and the pps stays in the gutter. That's my concern. Am I crazy for having these concerns? If so, then there's others out there more crazy than I am because I'm not the only one thinking this way. Buying time is one thing but if this is what's going on and it continues indefinitely then that's another and he will not get away with it. That I can promise. This is what has some thinking he will take it private or take Billy's advice eventually. Both would be big mistakes. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though. Let's see what happens.
Let's see if he promotes the company and if the numbers jive.
Sound good? No more ranting. The ball is in Whit's court.
Yes, they have not diluted in over a year (supposedly). This means revenues have been paying for operations, right? I'm assuming this is because no interest payments are being made on any debt while the NIR fiasco works its way thru the court system. Would this be a good guess? Also, if they have been cashflow positive then wouldn't ya say that is newsworthy? Shouldn't Whit have to report that? Corporate governance negligence? See what I mean? This is why I can't break out the pom-poms quite yet. When he starts doing his job I'll think about it.
We need an uplifting PR next week. This is getting ridiculous.
The guy really needs to grow some balls and produce for a change. Please stop cheering him on until he does so. It only encourages him to continue being inept. Thanks.
Btw, thanks for answering the questions. I know it's not easy putting up with a nut like me. You have more patience than I would know what to do with, 1.5. lol
Have a good weekend everyone.
1.5, o.k. I'll try to be more direct. Did the Stage 1 expansion shut down the silver production process or is it independent of the old process? I guess that's what I was getting at.
Maybe silver was produced. I don't know. That's why I'm asking.
I'm not expecting a blowout Q4 but I am expecting a blowout Q1 and Q2. Like BIGTIME.
If Stage 1 is truly independent of fert production then why not suggest to Whit to spell it out in plain English? We had a nice one day little pop above 1.80 then the volume dried up. Fortunately there's support at 1.75. Obviously not too many folks see the importance of that PR so how can it be so great if nobody gets it? The support at 1.75 is probably just you and/or $H. If so, THANK YOU! Seriously.
Whit needs to put out a 2011 forecast and then live up to it. I know I busted his chops for the repeated "strong growth" projections last year. His PR in late 2009 for 2010 was a good one and I can't fault him for projecting strong growth. The problem was that he kept saying strong growth all the way into the first week of June when he knew damn well fert revs were way down due to the non-stop rains. I guess he was trying to get the pps up before the R/S. Not a bad move but it was complete B.S..
This year he decided to be silent even though the weather/water conditions are the best ever. Now is not the time to be silent.
You're right. I'm never happy with him. He manages to do the wrong thing ALL THE TIME. That's why the pps is down 70% in a year despite everything coming together perfectly. Nobody cares. It's up to him to change that but he obviously doesn't care either or he would have done something by now. So we sit and wait, PATIENTLY. Good grief.
1.5, so you're saying the Q4 silver revs all depend on how they do the accounting? I honestly didn't even consider that. I figured once Stage 1 was done they would just utilize it right away and there wouldn't be any transition or down time. I guess that was my question. Is there down time when nothing gets produced? This would mean Sept. thru December no silver produced? But now that it's producing it will kick butt? I'm just trying to figure out what we're in for with the Q4 numbers. I already know damn well he's going to mention the big snow storm and flooding rains. Since it's so early in the season, this will only make Q1 that much better. But will the WhitGenius spell that out for everyone? I doubt it. That PR was supposedly the best ever. Where are the buyers? I know. Patience, right? I'm tryin'. I'm serious when I say THIS IS OUR YEAR...but Whit still has to get investors excited. If he posts excellent numbers or news and nobody cares then what does the share price do? It trades under $2 on a few thousand share volume every G.D. day. That's what.
I still say he's playin possum. Hope to God I'm wrong.
jtw, just a hunch but I bet I know how that happened. Someone tried to paint the tape again and the MMs weren't buyin it this time so what they do is let the order sit then they take it right after the bell to screw the painter and not let him accomplish the objective of a close at the ask. I know they do this because it happened to me at least twice. Gotta have your finger on the cancel order button at the bell if they don't take it.
We really needed a push above 1.84 today on much higher volume. Unless someone is accumulating at 1.75 or Whit surprises us with a Friday PR, I don't see this rally lasting. JMO. Hope I'm wrong and buyers show up out of nowhere tomorrow and it goes to 2.50 but I just don't see it happening. Might get a Q4 report next week. Ferts less than $500k. Silver $0. Can't wait. Hopefully he'll have enough sense to promote Q1/Q2. Hopefully more than 1 lame sentence.
1.5, got a serious question....
You know I don't like bad surprises...that's why I try to anticipate them. Whit still manages to disappoint but my question is.....they just delivered the first silver bullion shipment from the Stage 1 process, correct? Does this mean that silver revenues for Q4 2010 will be $0? I mean was there still silver produced or what's the deal? Stage 1 was operational since September. Q4 was the first full Q using Stage 1. The first shipment of silver was just the other day which is Q1 2011. Does this mean nothing produced for Q4 2010 during the transition or am I missing something (besides my sanity....I already know that's long gone).
Any insights would be much appreciated.
Btw, my gut tells me Q4 fert sales won't be as good as Q4 2009.
Whit mentioned in a PR that fert revs would be about the same but that was before the big snowstorm that dumped 4' in the mountains and I believe even Reno got over 1'. This would push revenues forward into Q1. Silver revs should be great for Q1 (especially when compared to Q1 2010 $34k number). It's the Q4 silver number that I'm wondering about. What do you expect??
dou, I think you have me confused with $H (imagine that lol)
mini-google are his words, not mine.
I agree with everything you're saying and I also agree with $H that a mini-google isn't that far-fetched IF Whit ever gets his head out of his azz and if Auric hits the gold they expect. Yes, this stock can be a huge homerun. My $5 estimate is short term. That would make me happy because I'd be able to cut back on the meds which are costing me a fortune and I'd also be in the green for a change. I think my avg. is still up around $3. Don't know for sure. I'm afraid to calculate it. Last time I checked it was over $3 but I added 2500 in December between 1.45 and 1.65 so I'm hoping that got it down under $3. I'm just extremely disappointed and all patience is gone at this point. If everything wasn't looking so rosy for this year I would have given up and jumped. Can't do that now. I'm convinced this is our year. Call me crazy but THIS IS IT! Right, metal?
I don't know. You tell me. Btw, the buck always stops with the CEO. Who else is to blame for chitty stock performance, the receptionist?
The bar is set extremely low for Q1
Look at the pathetic Q1 of 2010 that this year's Q1 will be compared to >> http://www.itronics.com/052110.shtml
Less than $34k in silver sales due to frozen pipes, remember?
The prior year silver sales was over $328k. This was with the old system operating and no frozen pipe problem. I think it's safe to say that this Q1 will exceed the Q1 2009 number, should it not?
What can the excuse be if it's below the 2009 number (assuming no pipes froze again this year)? Can he say that there's a "lag time" transition period in ramping up Stage 1? I don't know? I'm just trying to figure it out in advance because I know the stooges will be cheering if $70k silver sales is reported because it will be over 100% higher than last year. I'm looking at the big picture and what it should be without the frozen pipe issue. Didn't someone say it's all in the details? Leave the pom-poms in the closet and let's analyze the details.
So you're saying not a single ounce of gold has ever been recovered? Do you know this to be a fact and will this be the case with Stage 1 then Stage 2 fully operational? No gold recovery planned?
luigi, the A/S and O/S were also reduced by 1000 due to the reverse. The 20B A/S is now 20M...but I believe it might be even a little lower, probably around 16M or 17M. The current O/S is only about 3.3M and the float is under 2M. As I'm sure you realize this is ridiculously low and any spark and this puppy flies. Only problem is the CEO either doesn't know how to attract investors or doesn't want to. Still haven't figured that out yet. Everything else is coming together perfectly and the numbers should be stellar for both fert and silver. Very low risk/ high reward below $2, IMO of course. Most here agree this is a $5-$10 stock. Just waiting on the CEO to dislodge his head from his azz and get the word out there.
Here's another suspicion.....
The silver bars produced from the goo are 99.99% pure. The impurity, as stated by Whit himself in a MoneyTV interview, is gold. The old process was recovering about 30,000 ounces of silver per year ($686k in 2009). Why has there never been any gold revenue reported? Was it not recovered? Granted we're only talking about a few grand per year but what happens when production increases 10x and that $3k or $4k is $30k or $40k? Will it be reported then or kept off the books? or will it be claimed to never be recovered? These are the little things that are being followed among others. Perhaps Whit can speak to this in the next shareholders meeting if he has the gonads to ever face the shareholders again. I doubt it since he won't even take a non-stooge phone call. This is the kind of cowardice that detracts investors. That's why the pps is down 70% and the volume is pathetic in a year when everything is looking very bright. Nobody cares. Why? WHIT!
Please don't call me sir...makes me feel old. lol
Save it for Mike. HEY I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT!
oops.
Stay warm up there while diggin' out. It's a little brisk down here today (only in the low 60s) and windy, if that makes ya feel any better.
jtw, I just hope that it's only a no common sense/ ineptness issue and not something illegal like it appears at times. That's where I hope I'm wrong but if it is true, it will come to light this year. I would bet on that. Some folks much more suspicious than me are keeping very close tabs. That's all I'm going to say.