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"Outside of processors, does Intel succeed anywhere?? "
Along these lines:
1. How is IBM's Personal Computer business doing these days?
2. How is IBM's printer business doing these days?
3. How is that crackerjack IBM Microelectronics business and process development doing these days?
4. How is IBM's disk drive business doing these days?
5. How is IBM's PC Operating System OS/2 Warp doing these days?
Tick......Tock.....
Intel Accelerates Transition to 32nm Process Technology – Report.
Intel to Mass Produce 32nm Microprocessors in Q4 2009
[06/30/2009 11:25 PM]
by Anton Shilov
Intel Corp. plans to start transition to 32nm process technology considerably earlier than originally scheduled. Apparently, the company plans to start very aggressive promotion of its code-named Clarkdale processors in the Q4 2009 by shipping them in very mass quantities about a quarter ahead of the original plan.
Intel will start shipping 32nm dual-core microprocessors with 4MB of cache, Hyper-Threading, dual-channel DDR3 memory controllers and integrated graphics cores code-named Clarkdale for mainstream desktop computers. Clarkdale is based on the code-named Westmere micro-architecture.
Since Clarkdale central processing unit (CPU) has memory controller, graphics core as well as PCI Express interconnection inside, there will be no need for GMCH (or North Bridge) on the mainboard. Instead, the new processors will connect directly to Intel 5-series core-logic (code-named Ibexpeak platform) controller hub (PCH) that will carry hard drive controller, wired and wireless network controllers, monitor physical interfaces, PCI controller and other input/output as well as platform-related capabilities.
According to DigiTimes web-site, which cites mainboard makers, Clarkdale CPUs will account for 10% of Intel's total OEM desktop microprocessor shipments in the fourth quarter and in the Q1 2010 the share of code-named Clarkdale CPUs will increase to 20%.
Even though Clarkdale is a multi-chip module (MCH) with 32nm dual-core CPU and 45nm graphics core, its ramp seems to be quite aggressive and may point to unexpectedly high yields Intel has with its 32nm process technology.
Intel did not comment on the news-story.
Tags: Intel, Clarkdale, 32nm
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20090630232733_Intel_Accelerates_Transition_to_32nm_Process_Technology__Report.html
"amd down again today on significant volume"
Sorry - I didn't see your post before I posted mine.
The AMD share price has been dropping for 7 straight trading days on very high volume - and the crackerjack analysts are keeping their mouths shut while their private customers are rapidly unloading their shares on new suckers.
Something is up - in a negative way - at AMD.
The quarter ends in a few weeks - so we should know what's up in maybe 4 weeks from now.
Maybe Dirk will provide a new hilarious surprise to all the AMD faithful at that time.
Anybody bother to notice that AMD's share price has dropped 20% in the last 7 trading days - from $4.82 on June 10 to $3.85 today, June 18?
And every day volume was significantly higher than AMD's usual daily volume by 10 to 20 million shares per day?
AMD Recent Share Activity
Adjusted
Close Volume Close
18-Jun-09 4.08 3.86 4.08 29,185,322 3.85
17-Jun-09 4.13 4.17 3.86 4.08 32,790,600 4.08
16-Jun-09 4.30 4.35 4.10 4.13 27,513,400 4.13
15-Jun-09 4.39 4.45 4.21 4.26 27,455,200 4.26
12-Jun-09 4.75 4.79 4.33 4.47 39,910,200 4.47
11-Jun-09 4.83 4.87 4.68 4.70 15,847,200 4.70
10-Jun-09 4.81 4.86 4.70 4.82 18,322,600 4.82
"Iranians are Persians, not Arabs. "
Let me rephrase that:
Iran needs a guaranteed source of Opterons for their Supercomputers to challenge America - and Abu Dhabi will add the money to insure this for their Muslim brotherhood.
Better?
"about 2 years from now when AMD has run through the injection of capital from Abu Dhabi and goes Tango Uniform. Bye, bye "Efficient Competitor".
Your expectations are too simplistic - and ignore history and finance.
The various Abu Dhabi Arab investments in AMD are already around a couple of billion dollars, give or take. If AMD went Tyts Up, Global Floundries would be left with 2 or 3 huge fabs and NO REAL volume customer, in all probability.
Simple economics says that the Abu Dhabi Arabs won't let that happen and will prevent that just by advancing AMD some more cash to keep operations going.
The generated cash flow will flow back to Global Floundries to pay for the wafers and fab operations. So, Abu Dhabi will avoid a mega Billion dollar loss just by "loaning" AMD a few hundred millions of dollars to perpetuate the "then" status quo.
This will avoid two things - a wipe out of existing Abu Dhabi investment in AMD and a complete loss of customer(s) at Global Floundries.
Expect Abu Dhabi to just float new loans to AMD - in return for more ownership.
Don't forget - Iran needs a guaranteed source of Opterons for their Supercomputers to challenge America - and Abu Dhabi will add the money to insure this for their Arab brotherhood.
The technology gears at Intel keep on turning.
Expanding Long-Term Memory for Chips
June 16, 2009
While performance-improving cache memory gets a lot of attention, there is an increasing need on today's chips for programmable read-only memory (PROM) as well. This is used to permanently store information for such user-visible features as code storage and on-chip encryption keys, as well as yield-enhancing functions such as cache repair and post-silicon circuit tuning. PROMs rely on electrical fuses for in-factory programming. Salicided polysilicon has traditionally served as a fuse element in several generations of CMOS technologies, but Intel's recent transition to high-k metal-gate technology requires a significant shift in fuse design to metal fuses.
Intel has developed a new metal fuse-based 3-D high-density PROM technology that is fully compatible with high-k metal gate. The new technology has been developed for Intel's 32nm process, on which it has a 1.37 square micron cell. It is readily scalable for future logic technologies. Details are being described this week at the 2009 Symposia on VLSI Technology and Circuits in Kyoto, Japan.
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/innovation/innovation.htm#061609a
"What do you think of SiCortex systems? They're apparently a very low-power risc design. "
These low-power risc SciCortex systems are now low-power door stops.
I think one must now interpret that "risc" systems are labeled as RISK systems - because they are NOT x86 systems.
And that is where the RISK lies.
SciCortex to close operations, sell assets
May 28 2009 10:04AM EDT
High-efficiency supercomputer maker SiCortex Inc. is closing its doors, according to people familiar with the matter and an online blog by a consulting firm hired to help wind the company down.
The company's pending closure was first reported by HPCwire.com. The supercomputing Web site said late Wednesday, citing unnamed sources at the Maynard, Mass., company, that said most of SciCortex's employees had been let go and that the company was preparing for an asset sale. The Boston Business Journal reported in April SiCortex employed 80 people.
Gerbsman Partners, a business consulting firm based in California, posted on a company blog Thursday that it has been retained by SciCortex's board to solicite bids for the company's assets, namely its intellectual property.
SiCortex’s primary product is a high powered computer — one needed for complex computations and scientific discovery — that was up to 80 percent more efficient than traditional supercomputers. Some can be plugged into traditional wall sockets.
Based on past interviews, the company’s primary customers include government and academic institutions that can not afford multimillion dollar systems. The company had sold about 70 units in the past year.
SiCortex was backed by several venture capital firms, including Cambridge, Mass.-based Flagship Ventures and Waltham, Mass.-based Polaris Venture Partners. The company raised a $5 million venture round as recently as January. It has raised a total of $37 million.
Reached by phone Thursday, a SciCortex receptionist would not immediately comment on the reports, nor would the company’s public relations firm Racepoint Group in Waltham.
SiCortex has not filed a bankruptcy protection in Massachusetts or Delaware, where it is incorporated.
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"These are the guidelines that were recently declared to be overly strict, overly limiting of antitrust enforcement, and RESCINDED by the Obama administration.
Let's see if I understand you on this.
During the period 2001 through 2008, the anti-trust guidelines implemented by the previous administration were followed by Intel.
Then, when The Obama took over control of the US in 2009, he rescinded the guidelines implemented by the previous administration, and changed them - RETROACTIVELY.
So now Intel is GUILTY for their business actions during the previous eight years under different antitrust guidelines?
I like that !
Now, all The Obama has to do is have his congress pass a law that says anybody who voted Republican in the past 8 or 10 years is NOW guilty retroactively of a felony - and subject to immediate arrest, conviction and jail sentence for up to - let's say - 10 years.
Let's go round 'em up now and put them all in prison.
That should guarantee a Democratic presidential win for the next 10 years as the tens of millions of retroactively-guilty Republicans sit out those upcoming elections in some very overcrowded prisons.
I like that !
This ability to pass and enforce retroactive laws is terrific!
Thank you for your brilliant insight.
"The bigger question is whether Obama will put a leash on Varney if she decides to go after Intel like Neelie the Terrible did. It's not like Intel doesn't have any political capital built up in Washington, though sometimes it sure looks that way. "
Well, Otellini/Intel did make some headlines a few months ago when they announced a $7 Billion investment in American factories over the next two years.
Intel wordsmithed it pretty good - and fooled most of the media - as the $7 Billion did not really commit to building any new factories - NADA - but retooling existing (nearly new factories) from 65 nM and 45 nM to 32 nM technology.
But The Obama is clever. These upgraded factories are not in locations near his power base - so Intel is expendable. The jobs are non-union. Intel will be fed to the lions as an example of evil, unbridled American greed.
When Intel is found guilty by the DOJ of antitrust violations, The Obama will have one more reason to go abroad and apologize to the European and mid-East nations for Intel's, and America's, transgressions.
"Actually meant the EU "
My guess is that The Obama will have his peeps convey to the EU that Apple and Google are not to be messed with. They are his Golden Calfs (as well as his Golden Eggs).
The EU will try to appease The Obama, in a quid pro quo of The Obama appeasing the EU.
"So will their next attacks on apple and google"
I think you are completely off base here.
Eric Schmidt, Larry Page and Sergey Brin of Google and Steve Jobs of Apple - and the vast majority of the employees of each of these companies - were strong supporters and MAJOR FINANCIAL BACKERS of THE OBAMA.
Apple and Google OWN The Obama.
At most, the DOJ will conduct a phony investigation of these companies before announcing that they are squeaky clean and perfect corporate citizens.
Intel's new Core i7 975 (3.33 GHz) - and Core i7-950 (3.0 Ghz) square off in the ring against AMD's top of the line Phenom II X4 at 3.2 GHz.
AMD comes off looking like Jose Canseco after his recent ring debut.
If you like AMD, read this article with your eyes closed.
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/print.php?cid=2&id=2907
A Banner, draped over the top of an Intel Building (SC12 ?) near Intel's headquarters in Santa Clara, can be seen to all passers by from Highway 101.
Intel's upcoming 2.66 GHz Lynnfield i5 - a cost-reduced version of the Core i7 - appears to beat AMD's top of the line 3.2 GHz Phenom X4 II 955 in the first available benchmarks.
Competition is good.
AMD will lawyer-up again.
Intel Core i5 2.66GHz gets benched
Written by Slobodan Simic
Monday, 25 May 2009 13:29
Beats Phenom II X4 955
Guys from forum at Asian hardware site Xfastest managed to get some pictures and do some benchmarks of Intel's upcoming Core i5 2.66GHz processor. The tests were done on Intel's reference motherboard, and it looks like this one will be enough beat AMD's Phenom II X4 955 CPU clocked at 3.2GHz.
As it was expected, the CPU is slower than Core i7 920 but it's quite enough for the 3.2GHz clocked Phenom II X4 955, at least in Cinebench 10. The CPU score in 3DMark Vantage hovers around 13700. These are still the first benchmark results and we will hold our judgment until we see a full review once these CPUs hit the market shelves. Most of people already call them Core i5 but the name has never been confirmed.
It does end up a bit faster than the Phenom II X4 955 which currently sells at around €210 in Europe, while the Core i7 920 can be found for €242. Of course, you must note that Core i7 platform is much more expensive due to the price of X58 motherboards and triple memory kits.
Lynnfield quad most likely stands at US $196, and it will be interesting to see if there will be any price drops from both camps once Core i5 hits retail/e-tail shelves.
You can find motherboard/CPU pictures and benchmark screenshots here.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/13848/1/
"About 13 million were sold worldwide in 2008, with 10 million of those sales coming in the second half of the year, "
Of those 13 million little netbooks, how many contained an AMD processor ?
Intel to launch 8-core server chip
This is a preemptive attack on AMD - which will launch their 6-core InstantBull server CPU in June.
I can't wait for the benchmark comparisons. I'm sure AMD will benchmark against the old 6-core Penryn based Dunnington introduced a year ago.
This will also make AMD's Shanghai look like Shanglow
May 19, 2009 8:15 AM PDT
Intel to launch 8-core server chip
by Brooke Crothers
Intel is expected to introduce an 8-core processor for the high-end server market next week.
The 8-core "Nehalem-EX" Xeon processor is designed for servers that can use more than two processors (referred to as "sockets" in server argot). Currently, Intel is shipping Nehalem Xeon processors for servers with two sockets.
Nehalem is the same architecture used in Intel's Core i7 desktop processor line.
The Nehalem-EX is expected to become Intel's top-line Xeon processor. Currently, the six-core "Dunnington" processor, based on Intel's older Penryn architecture, is Intel's highest-performance chip for multi-processor servers.
Nehalem-EX packs 2.3 billion transistors and its eight cores are capable of executing 16 threads (or tasks) at the same time. The chip also has "integrated power gates" for lowering power-consumption.
The announcement is slated for May 26. Boyd Davis, Intel's general manager of Server Platforms Marketing Group, will host the roll-out event and "discuss how this new server product raises the standard in cost-effective RISC replacement solutions," according to an Intel note about the event.
Brooke Crothers is a former editor at large at CNET News.com, and has been an editor for the Asian weekly version of the Wall Street Journal. He writes for the CNET Blog Network, and is not a current employee of CNET. Contact him at mbcrothers@gmail.com. Disclosure.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10244564-64.html?tag=newsLatestHeadlinesArea.0
"According to the EU Intel must slow down their innovation schedule now too, across the board, since Intel is bigger. "
Good Point.
Neelie Kroes will now set the schedule for Intel's fab process development and product introduction schedule so that these do not negatively impact AMD.
The new GeSTOP_EU at work.
Heil Neelie.
AMD, that paragon of CPU design and manufacturing, is once again firing on all cylinders:
All Propus quads are delayed to Q3
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Friday, 15 May 2009 11:12
Sounds like an issue
Deneb with L3 cache physically cut out has been delayed for at least Q3 2009. This CPU was expected in early 2009, and now, it has been delayed to Q3 2009.
AMD's roadmap tells its customers that Propus quad CPUs should show their face in early July, or in first days of Q3 2009. They will be able to get on time for back to school but 2.8GHz Propus, branded as Athlon X4 630 will have the 95W TDP, just the same as Phenom II X4 925 that has 8MB total cache.
Athlon X4 630 will have 4x512KB L2 cache memory and it doesn’t have any L3, but we are sure that it will perform well, and get a very aggressive price that will distinguish it from the similarly clocked Phenom II.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13704&Itemid=1
Dual Socket Nehalem Xeon 5570s Destroy Quad Socket AMD Shanghai 8384s in Virtualization Benchmarks at Anandtech:
....the newest dual Xeon servers outperform the best quad Opteron platforms when both are running the newest hypervisor from VMware.
http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3560
I assume the AMD Fanbois now group Virtualization Performance along with SPECfp_rate2006 and SuperPi as no longer relevant to CPU performance.
I wonder how AMD will now spin their "Value Proposition" charade on server customers?
Claim #3: An equivalent Intel Nehalem server costs almost twice as much as an equivalent AMD Opteron Server.
Reality: This claim is false because there are no equivalent (in performance or power consumption) AMD Opterons compared to Intel Nehalem servers. While AMD based servers are the cheapest, a low end Nehalem server can deliver more performance at a lower price. Table 3 below shows server prices from HP with the base configuration plus second processor.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15036
"You must be kidding... "
No.
The EU must understand that employment of EU citizens is their most critical concern. Intel's investment in ASM will help maintain a few jobs there. Not many, but a few.
AMD, on the other hand, has already sucked the money out of the naiive Germans and packed up their tents and left town...heading for some new PT Barnum suckers in New York State - just ripe for the pickings to build AMD/Globalostandfoundry a new fab.
Intel Capital Invests in ASM International N.V.
Right in Neelie Kroes backyard, so-to-speak - The Netherlands !
Maybe this will convince the EU that Intel will make a better PARTNER than a WHIPPING BOY for the EU.
Maybe the EU should ask AMD - What have YOU done for US lately - like abandon the EU-based German fabs that the Germans built for you ?!
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Intel Capital Invests in ASM International N.V.
Investment Supports Semiconductor Manufacturing Innovation for Advanced Process Technology
On Monday May 4, 2009, 4:00 pm EDT
SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Intel Capital, Intel Corporation's global investment organization, today announced an investment in ASM International (ASMI). Intel Capital’s investment through open market stock purchases is 4 percent of ASMI's total common share capital, based on approximately 54 million common shares outstanding.
ASMI has been at the forefront of delivering materials and equipment innovation to integrated circuit manufacturers worldwide. ASMI’s equipment and materials are used in wafer processing, assembly and packaging of semiconductor devices. Its advanced technologies, which meet key International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors criteria, are important to extending Moore’s law.
“Equipment and materials innovation is critical to enabling new capabilities in semiconductor device manufacturing,” said Arvind Sodhani, Intel executive vice president and president of Intel Capital. “Our investment in ASMI is part of Intel Capital’s strategy to foster innovation that aligns with Intel’s manufacturing technology roadmap.”
Intel [NASDAQ: INTC], the world leader in silicon innovation, develops technologies, products and initiatives to continually advance how people work and live. Additional information about Intel is available at www.intel.com/pressroom and blogs.intel.com.
Intel and the Intel logo are trademarks of Intel Corporation in the United States and other countries.
*Other names and brands may be claimed as the property of others.
Contact:
Intel Corporation
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Will this fate/torture happen to Hector when Abu Dhabi people find out how badly Hector cheated them?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/unitedarabemirates/5225720/Abu-Dhabi-ruling-family-linked-to-torture-video.html
Abu Dhabi ruling family linked to 'torture' video
The emergence of a video purporting to show a senior member of the United Arab Emirates' ruling family co-ordinating the torture of a businessman has threatened to tarnish the reputation of the pro-Western, oil-rich Gulf state.
By Tim Butcher, Middle East Correspondent
Last Updated: 9:35PM BST 26 Apr 2009
The video purports to show Issa bin Zayed al Nahyan, the half-brother of the Manchester City owner, Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan, participating in the torture of an Afghan grain dealer with whom he had had a disagreement.
The al Nahyan clan's position as rulers of Abu Dhabi, the biggest of the seven emirates that make up the UAE, means they have also acted as hereditary rulers of the state since it was founded in 1971.
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Manchester City to embark on summer tour of South AfricaAt a desert location under cover of darkness the torture victim, Mohammed Shah Poor, is held down and has sand stuffed down his throat.
Bullets are then fired near his feet in the sand and he is beaten with a plank of wood from which nails protruded. Salt is then rubbed into his open wounds. An electric cattle prod is also used on part of his body while his genitals are soaked in lighter fluid, which is then set alight.
[comment - GREAT BALLS OF FIRE !!]
The coup de grace comes when Mr Nahyan appears to drive a Mercedes SUV over the victim, accompanied by what seems to be the sound of breaking bones. Mr Nahyan is heard on the video seeming to co-ordinate the torture assisted by uniformed members of what seem to be the UAE police force and army.
The tape, broadcast last week by the American television channel, ABC, has already led to calls for the United States to reconsider its commercial ties with the UAE, the tiny but wealthy state that includes Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
James McGovern, a US congressman, has called for a freeze on government aid to the Emirates.
He also called for Mr Nahyan to be refused a US visa.
In a letter to Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State, Mr McGovern said: "I cannot describe the horror and revulsion I felt when witnessing what is on this video ... I could not watch it without constantly flinching."
ABC put up a section of the video on its website, although sections containing the most shocking material, including the use of the cattle prod, were not released.
The tape was given to ABC by Bassam Nabulsi, a US citizen and Houston businessman, who has begun a legal battle in the American courts against Mr Nahyan for alleged maltreatment and loss of earnings after a business deal went sour.
The UAE government has confirmed Mr Nahyan is the man in the video, although it issued a statement saying the matter had been investigated by its police but no charges were deemed necessary.
The statement said the video was not "part of a pattern of behaviour" and, as permitted under Abu Dhabi law, "the parties involved ... settled the matter privately by agreeing not to bring formal charges against each other â " ie theft on the one hand and assault on the other".
The ministry of the interior said police followed all necessary procedures when investigating the incident.
"I don't think they have depth on their engineering players bench to take on this huge challenge.
AMD's public disclosure yesterday of their Server roadmap is an admission of this.
They seem to have the ability to take that old K7 core and "step and repeat it" across a layout, hook them up to each other and external L3 cache - to yield ever larger multicore K7 die.
Period.
As you say, to get a product to market, in a reasonable time frame, that is all that AMD seems capable of these days.
AMD seems to have abandoned any hope of adding Simultaneous Multithreading to their core architecture and rather than have a five year effort with a group of architects and designers dedicated to a "clean sheet" redesign, AMD seems to be cornered into a an ALL HANDS ON DECK situation where everybody is focused on getting a 'K7 times n' product to market as quickly as possible to prevent AMD from becoming technologically irrelevant, let alone technological leadership.
I guess that happens when there are no more ideas to steal from the now long defunct Digital Equipment Corporation.
AMD also seems to have reached the conclusion that lawyers are easier to hire than experienced microprocessor professionals.
Re:""Bulldozer" goes to "11" "
Reminds me of AMD's "SIMULATED" benchmarks of Barcelona - 6 months before it was launched - and Randy Allen's claims that Barcelona would be 40% faster than Intel's best CPU when Barcelona launched.
Basically, AMD wants to SELL Bulldozer FUTURES and record them as INCOME for the next fiscal quarter.
AMD's slime bags are working overtime selling phony bullsheet - while they are heading down the septic tank.
The Socialist Linux lovers = "Hate Intel-Hate Microsoft-Hate-Anybody-That-Makes-a-Profit" - are having an orgasm over these phony estimated benchmarks.
Re: " This better be a computer glitch....
Intel Corporation(NasdaqGS: INTC)
After Hours: 7.91 7.76 (-49.52%) 8:01PM "
Sounds like Dan3's wet dream has come true.
Intel's Core i7 is a runaway hit with the serious/professional video editing crowd:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=649109&Replies=20
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Subject: RE: V9 HAS TO fix AVCHD bug to sell
Reply by: InterceptPoint
Date: 4/21/2009 3:40:30 AM
Get a Core i7 computer.
For simple edits (crossfades, a few title overlays, 2-3 video tracks, 2-3 audio tracks) I render AVCHD in real time or better and preview full screen on a 21" widescreen monitor. For straight video and the preview set to Good/Auto I get a 29.970 frame rate. This drops to 15 or so for title overlays and crossfades. There is no question that AVCHD takes some processing power. and I'm sure that there are improvements that Sony can make to Vegas to improve stability and rendering performance. But right now, with 8.1, I'm a happy camper with just a basic low end (not overclocked) Core i7 with 6 GB of memory running Vista Pro 64.
As to Version 9 it's wait and see for me but I'm very, very likely to buy it in the next couple of weeks. As a now reformed Premier Pro user Vegas has been very good to me since version 4 and I have never been disappointed with any of their subsequent releases and updates. Vegas just gets better and better. There is no reason to believe that Version 9 will break with that tradition.
Subject: RE: V9 HAS TO fix AVCHD bug to sell
Reply by: blink3times
Date: 4/21/2009 5:13:14 AM
"Get a Core i7 computer. "
If you want to work with native avchd in any serious fashion (with any nle) then this is a must.
I think this point has been lost by most people - especially the technology (Intel-hating) press:
Intel has OUT-FUSIONED AMD.
"Chandrasekher demonstrated the first live demo of Intel's next-generation Atom-based MID platform, codenamed "Moorestown." Chandrasekher provided a sneak peek into the low-power innovation of the platform by showcasing a greater than 10x idle power reduction....Moorestown platform is comprised of a System on Chip (codenamed "Lincroft") that integrates a 45nm Intel® Atom™ processor core, graphics, video and memory controller, and a companion input/output (I/O) hub (codenamed "Langwell"). "
Simply put, Intel is about 1 year AHEAD of AMD in delivering an integrated monolithic CPU-Graphics-Memory-Controller device for the mobile market.
Moorestown isn't quite ready yet for production - indicated by Intel's 2010 time frame for introduction - but it EXISTS TODAY - and the 2010 production date should still be at least 1 year ahead of AMD's Fusion product.
Of course, AMD will counter with the argument that the AMD fusion device is aimed at REAL notebook computers - not the low cost netbooks that Intel's Atom and Moorestown will target.
However - what CPU product is in enormous demand - even in this recession? - ATOM - in millions and millions of NETBOOK computers.
Intel may just preempt the entire market for integrated CPU/Graphics chips before AMD even gets their first Fusion chip out of their "foundry" fab.
Couple this with Intel's 32 nM Nehalem-based CPU/Graphics combinations - also due in early 2010, and you might see AMD's Fusion device becoming irrelevant.
Kinda makes AMD's acquisition of ATI look "stupider and stupider"
"The first test results just blew us away and we wanted to share one particular result today. We are still testing and will have a full article up in the near future featuring a variety of motherboards and cooling choices, but at this moment, the (Intel Nehalem) D0 920 stepping provides real and tangible benefits for the overclocking community over the previous C0 steppings."
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=584
I think there are a lot of people who pray that an incompetent, mismanaged company such as AMD will magically rise from the cess pool in which it has lived for 40 years and topple Intel, the most successful semiconductor company on Planet Earth.
I think there are lot of people who psychologically must identify with losers - because they themselves are losers and they feel that if a loser such as AMD pulled off a miracle and toppled Intel, then they themselves would be transformed from the losers that they are to instant winners, awash in money, surrounded by supermodels, and nominated for the head of their local Communist Party.
"I have since joined the ranks of the leisure class."
I didn't know that you joined the AMD Management Team.
"In other words, as good as AMD's new Shanghai chip is, it appears that Nehalem EP will slap it around with a wet fish."
Old data - November, 2008 - but an indicator of things to come.
First look: Intel dual- socket Nehalem EP benchmarked
Xeon platform is ridiculously fast - we have the proof
November 20th 2008 | Tell us what you think [ 5 comments ]
"In other words, as good as AMD's new Shanghai chip is, it appears that Nehalem EP will slap it around with a wet fish"
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Intel's new Nehalem-based Core i7 desktop processor is nippy. And now we can exclusively reveal that the upcoming dual-socket server variant of the Nehalem architecture is so fast it's almost silly.
We know this because we're the first in the world to test it.
Unsurprisingly, our time with this top secret rig was rather limited. But we have managed to squeeze in a single full run of arguably the most important test of processor performance – SPECfp_rate_base2006. Full details of the testing scenario can be found here.
We got our filthy paws on a fully operational dual-socket Nehalem EP platform for a spot of guerrilla benchmarking. Our test system was trimmed out with a pair of 2.8GHz Nehalem EP chips, likely to be sold as Xeon X5560 CPUs when Nehalem EP launches in the first quarter of 2009.
For the record, the system is based on essentially the same Tylersburg chipset as used with the first "Bloomfield" Core i7 desktop chips. For our testing it was configured with 24GB of 1,066MHz DDR3 memory.
The really important figure for Intel here is the base floating point metric. That's a test existing Xeons struggle with largely thanks to the weaknesses of their ancient front side bus and discreet memory controller architecture.
Epic scaling
All of that is gone with Nehalem EP, replaced with the sleek new Quick Path Interconnect and on-die memory controllers. The result is truly epic bandwidth and performance scaling. The big number many will be waiting for is the SPECfp_rate_base2006 base rate. So here it is: 160. (Performance estimated using preliminary hardware provided by Intel; for details of testing see this link.)
To put that into context, the Intel's current Penryn-based Xeon dual-socket platform fails to hit 90, even running at 3.4GHz. Perhaps even more significantly, AMD's shiny new 45nm Shanghai (Opteron 8384) chips in dual-socket 2.7GHz trim score just 105 points. Even a four-socket Shanghai rig is only good for just under 190. (Competitive data retrieved from www.spec.org on 24 November 2008.)
And remember, Nehalem EP's 160 point score is for a pre-production system running at 2.8GHz. Models humming a 3.2GHz tune will be available when the chip launches early next year. What's more, our testing was carried out on Windows Server 2008.
Run the same benchmark courtesy of the leaner, meaner Linux OS and you'd be looking at an even higher score.
In other words, as good as AMD's new Shanghai chip is, it appears that Nehalem EP will slap it around with a wet fish.
Just to confirm that our eyes did not deceive us, we also gave Nehalem EP a quick going over with the Stars Euler3D benchmark. It's a computational fluid dynamics simulation that majors on floating point performance.
Sure enough, Nehalem EP roasts all comers in this benchmark, too – it's twice as quick as a pair of 2.7GHz Shanghai processors (14.34 seconds to complete five instances versus 30.32 seconds).
Oh, and the platform's memory bandwidth is borderline biblical, clocking up 35GB/s in SiSoft Sandra's quick and dirty bandwidth benchmark.
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...we have had an interesting time with our AMD AM3 motherboards. We tested several BIOS releases, provided our input, and then tested what came back to us. This should have been a quick process based on our agreements with the suppliers and fairly mature chipsets. As it turns out, the performance differences between BIOS releases have been all over the map. It has been a case of plug one leak and then find two more a day later instead of just fixing a particular set of problems. Although the boards have been extremely solid at stock settings, when pushed they have exhibited more personalities than Sybil.
This is not to slight the products or scare monger away potential customers. We absolutely love the latest AM3 products from MSI, Gigabyte, and ASRock along with their updated AM2+ lineups. Testing started a few weeks ago with our motherboards from ASUS for a series of articles ranging from CrossFireX performance with the ultra hot and chic Phenom II X3 720BE, a DDR2 versus DDR3 memory performance comparison, enhancing platform performance via increases in Northbridge speed, and of course the actual motherboard reviews.
The good news is that the latest beta BIOS' have solved the vast majority of problems, it just took sometime to get to this point. The one interesting aspect is that all of the motherboards at one time or another suffered from similar problems. This usually does not occur and it lead to some interesting discoveries and then solutions on behalf of the BIOS teams. At one point I joked with a particular supplier if all of the BIOS engineers from the various motherboard companies met at the same Internet Cafe in Taipei during evening hours to discuss ways to ensure my total hair loss by May.
It was just strange as each 790FX AM3 board eventually suffered the same problem. Everything from the boards hard locking if HT reference clocks were set over 214 with CrossFireX active to various problems clocking Northbridge speeds up and poor memory performance just to name a few. To everyone's credit, the problems have been identified and are being solved or have been solved. We are at the point now where the last few remaining problems will mainly affect those who utilize Dry Ice or LN2 for overclocking, otherwise, the boards are in or will be in excellent shape within a week as updated BIOS' are released. We will discuss this further in an upcoming article, but a major factor for some of the quirky behavior between BIOS releases had to do with updated AGESA code from AMD during and after the AM3 launch.
All that said, we are at the point now where our results at least make sense and are repeatable. Later today we will publish the 720BE CrossFire article and in a couple of days we will have the DDR2/DDR3 comparison on the AMD platform. In early April we will start rolling out the motherboard reviews for the 790FX/790GX AM3 boards along with a really good AM2+ 780G product update from ASRock that impressed us and should be in stock shortly.
In the meantime, we are expecting our first retail Core i7 D0 stepping processors in a few days and will provide an immediate update on a product that has been generating a lot of forum buzz the past few weeks. Speaking of the i7, we will discuss the ASRock X58 motherboard shortly as it is running four GTX-295 cards without a problem and our long term stability tests have indicated this is a very solid product from a newcomer in this market. Also on the calendar in April is our second X58 motherboard roundup with a focus on the motherboards priced under $250. Raja will provide results for the more extreme crowd with the latest enthusiast boards from EVGA, Foxconn, and ASUS.
"We are paying particular attention to potential customers in Japan and Taiwan."
I'll bet these POTENTIAL customers will be paying POTENTIAL money for their Global_Lost_and_Found_ry wafers.
I wonder when they will come up with a REAL, paying customer - other than their current dead beat customer, AMD.
"Are you asking about this year or subsequent years?
Immaterial.
I just want to hear those charming analysts on the AMD Conference Call tell the great, crack AMD management team : "Great Quarter, Guys !"
Does anyone know what day AMD reports Q1 LOSSES ?
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"Abu Dhabi will view the same money as a pocket change expense. "
I guess you base this on Abu Dhabi's prior experience in the oil business - when they slashed the price of their oil to $2.75 a barrel in order to grab 80% of the world oil market - right?
"If you want a legal expert's opinion, you are going to have to contact P.Gerassi.
He can be found at the nearest Holiday Inn Express.