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Well well well, Look at all my old friends on this board! As you can see it has taken me a long time to find ya but with a name like THE CAVE I'm sure you understand. Actually I just followed pilot via a PM he sent me awhile ago. Just so you know Pilot, I’m still kicking myself in the ass for not following your advice.
Some of you may not know or remember me but I know most of you from another board... One whose name cannot be spoken. lol
So here are some hello’s to those I am familiar so Hello Quinn, DD22, Pilot
And I’m sure there’s more so hello to you as well.
So what’s the premise of this board? I think I know but I don’t want to assume. I also hope that I’m welcomed here. I don’t get on much but its nice to at least have a place that has familiar names.
Take Care
David
Sarcasm? Or u don't look at NEOM's charts? LOL
Now that makes sense. But still we get screwed with all the fake PR's
If this was the case why would the SEC allow the fake PR's, CC's and the other BS go on. June 2008 seems like an aweful long time to sit back and watch people get screwed. I'm not defending Jared or EESO I'm just asking legit questions from points that don't add up.
Read the message from MSFACE. A list to recover from damages resulting directly from this crap with Jared. MSFACE wants to get a lawsuit going against EESO or more specifically Jared.
This is from South Florida Biz Journal:
“In cases like this, there’s varying degrees of involvement. Sometimes, stock distributors are in charge and selling out shares without the issuer’s knowledge. Then, there are other cases where the issuers are involved,” he said. “When, or if, we determine there’s evidence the issuers violated the law, we would take action against them as well.” The SEC is merely alleging registration violations, not fraud.
Ok I hear an erie voice in this post!! Kinda Scary
We can get back to disagreeing but until then how’s the pain from your pulled tooth goin? Hope it's getting better cause those are a pain and I don't wish on anybody. And I'm ticked you get V for the pain and I got crapolla!! LOL
You better be able to back up the "Con Artist" and a "Liar" "Thief" etc. statements 100%. Not %50 Not %75 not %98... %100. If not that SHOULD BE constude as attacking those of us who believe.
Its a concept called long-term investing and while doing that you take advantage of the lower PPS to average down. It a REALLY crazy concept this long term thingy
Nothing could be further from the "truth" right now. You have no information at all to say how the "settlement" went. Are you the court clerk? Attorney? Judge?
Thats a hell of a lot better than what I got!! Lucky you!!! LOL
Those are never good!! Hope they gave you some good meds!
I'm sure you've all seen this article. But for those who have not... have a good read.
August 7th, 2009
DETROIT, Michigan (August 5, 2009) --- wowgreen International, a direct sales company specializing in distributing eco-friendly household and commercial cleaning products announced today that Jordan Zimmerman is its second largest shareholder and president, and will be a strategic consultant and advisor to Allie T. Mallad, the company’s founder and CEO. Mr. Zimmerman is founder and chairman of Zimmerman Advertising, the 14th largest agency in the United States with published billings in excess of 2 billion dollars.
wowgreen founder and CEO, Allie T. Mallad believes that Jordan’s passion for helping others makes him a great proponent for the wowgreen cause. “Jordan brings an enormous amount of leadership and experience to wowgreen.” Continued Mallad, “I have followed his expertise in corporate branding for many years, but quite frankly I am most inspired by his commitment to help others realize their dreams both personally and professionally.” As president of wowgreen, Zimmerman is its second largest stockholder and will be a key force in shaping expansion strategies for its thousands of distributors.
Over 30 years ago, Allie and Jordan were college dorm mates at the University of South Florida. Since then, both have enjoyed major career successes – Allie Mallad is formerly the world’s largest Little Caesars Pizza franchisee with 159 locations and also owned 10 other national chains including Applebees, Baskin Robbins, Bruegger’s Bagels, Golden Corral Steakhouse, Jiffy Lube, Big O’ Tire and Mobil. He is considered by many to be an expert in franchising. In February, 2009, he launched wowgreen with the promise of “freeing the world of toxic chemicals, one household at a time.”
Since its founding in 1984, Jordan Zimmerman has grown his agency from its origin as a regional automotive advertising firm, into a national retail powerhouse with more than 1000 associates and 22 offices. Zimmerman Advertising has garnered a reputation as an industry leader representing a host of highly respected national brands that include Nissan, Jackson-Hewitt, Dell, Pep Boys, AutoNation, Crocs, Papa John’s, Lane Bryant, Miami Dolphins, White Castle, Lennar, Carfax, Ashley Furniture, Mattress Firm hhgregg, Friendly’s, Party City and George Foreman. Additionally, he shares ownership in both the Florida Panthers and Tampa Bay Lightning NHL teams.
Zimmerman will be wowgreen’s keynote speaker at their international convention at Las Vegas’ Hard Rock Casino & Hotel, September 23-25. “I am absolutely thrilled and honored to be a part of this event,” said Zimmerman. “Allie and I go back a long way. We have very similar business philosophies and share the drive to make wowgreen a household brand. I’m proud to be part of a company that is dedicated to changing lifestyles and helping our planet.”
About Zimmerman Advertising
Headquartered in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Zimmerman Advertising, an Omnicom Group™ company, is the country’s leading national retail brand builder, and the 14th largest advertising agency in the United States according to Adweek, with more than 1,100 full-time associates and offices throughout the country, including New York, Los Angeles, Washington DC, Chicago, Dallas, San Francisco and Atlanta.
About Omnicom Group
Omnicom Group (NYSE: OMC) is a leading global marketing and corporate communications company. Omnicom's branded networks and numerous specialty firms provide advertising, strategic media planning and buying, direct and promotional marketing, public relations and other specialty communications services to over 5,000 clients in more than 100 countries.
About wowgreen International
Based in Southfield, MI wowgreen International features an eco-friendly 12-product line of household and commercial cleaners. Each product is a unique, proprietary blend of enzymes that are safe for children and pets. This all-in-one green cleaning solution is sold through a rapidly growing distributor network.
yes there is validity to both sides. And YES we are due for a cc. One could only hope for one soon.
Well he's from South Florida so that would make sense of the rumors from early last week that WOW was moving to Florida.
Buger: Thanks. Lazyfaire: Yer post is factually sound and in my opinion Oneinamillion should "post-it" stickey note it for everyone to read.
Alaskanwarrior: I agree about a settlement. However if it should go to trial(not likely) the first suit is what will be argued. the other suits will just be weighed during that trial.
Im not saying that at all. What I am saying is know the lineage of the court documents. Understand who is taking who to court and have a clear understanding of why there is a countersuit and why Jared would be brought in personally.
When you say “the lawsuit lists eeso as a defendant” and then only post the countersuit in your previous post that you linked is not “fair and balanced” and I take offense to that as well.
Just know that the suit against Wow Green was brought on First. The other suits are allowed for argument sake. The first suit is what matters most, everything else is posturing.
Please.... Post the "actual" docs. If you did already then let us know. Thanks
Here is the actual breakdown from a previous post last week. One that actually checks out.
Posted by: lazyfaire Date: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:33:05 AM
In reply to: Lantz who wrote msg# 165945 Post # of 166702
I didn't inject my opinion into anything. I am not speculating anything. I posted a link that describes everybody's role in case. The only speculation is in your post right here to which I am replying.
Let me sum up everyone's roles for you once again. No speculation here. The link will be posted at the bottom.
WowGreen:
-defendant against EESO's lawsuit
-counterclaimant, brought a countersuit against EESO
-third-party plaintiff, asking for Jared, personally, to be brought into case
EESO:
-plaintiff, they brought the original lawsuit against Wowgreen and Owen Stern
-counterdefendant, they are defending against Wow's countersuit
Jared:
-third-party defendant, Jared is defending against Wow bringing him personally into the case
Owen Stern:
-defendant, remember EESO also named Owen, personally, in the original claim.
NONE OF THIS IS SPECULATION. IT IS ALL HERE:
https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/ViewCaseActors?caseId=18161D01PL2009000248
You havn't left yet either. So I guess there is a reason to stay.
And I'm part of the "rest of us" too
EESO will land on their feet and we'll be the better for it. Thanks for the extra shares!
I Think everybody understood except him.
Ha Ha You go DD!! Tried explaining this earlier about EESO's "role" in this. I think to the same guy. No such luck.
hey jdub whats up? I realize what the content is on this and other boards. Nothing new to me. My post was more like a question to a speaker, a question you already know the answer to but you ask for the benefit of the room. I havn't seen you on in awhile. where ya been?
I've made my own decisions to buy, stay and buy more of EESO. I know what I'm doing and find it degrading that others try to tell ME I'm making a mistake. EESO like many other businesses have their ups and downs for one reason or another. I am an adult making adult decisions. Just like crossing a busy road, I appreciate someone telling me to be careful before crossing however I don't need someone in my ear telling me every step of the way to be careful and/or it was a bad decision to cross. The only one at fault if I get hit is ME. Plain and simple. So please, to all telling me to not cross the road when I'm already doing it...don't. Also, others don't need to be told as well... as adults they can make up their own mind with the facts... I said facts! pro or con.
This breaks it all down in a clear concise fasion. Thanks Lazyfaire fo helping others understand the process.
And balihi, thanks for calling him out! It makes a lot of sense as I've never seen that guy on here before until the litigation news!! GREAT JOB!
eeso will get through this and will end up STRONGER for it!!
This part is for sol(im outta posts for today)You don't think that a large portion was projected for WOW sales? Please give a clearer more concise breakdown of how the budgets should have been allocated and why. ie: commercial 20% etc. I would be interetsed in seeing your well thought out answer.
This part is for clay. (nice talking with u today)
exactly. we are our own makers or breakers. I'm down in this bigtime! However, I was taught to put the blame where it lies. It was on me not to sell at certain points. All I can do is pay attention stay informed and have a positive attitude that this will turn around.
IMO it will turn around for the better.
You got the same pages I did but obviously a different interpretation. Where does it prove he's a liar? Liar about what?
These kinds of statements sound like the congress going out to townhall meetings with outrageous talking points.
I extend them anyway.
Many people created their own risk and reward. To put it all on one man is something I can't get my head around. There are too many outside forces. I projected a stellar performance for 2009. My budgets suck right now. I will put some of the blame on me but not all of it. There are things out of my control and I cannot force people to take my product.
For us to say any of those things EESO PR'd weren't true is unprovable.
Fair enough. I'm sorry, I know you didn't bring that up I didn't mean to imply that you did. I was mearly stating that this has been one topic of theoried posts that were typed and looking to be factual.
Again, my apologies.
No PM lazyfaire. LMAO Very vaild point still!! INDEED!
Exactly. As long as your willing to admit that what you're stating is just theory and conjecture then I would ask that you place an IMO or IMHO after each conjectured post. This would help others doing their DD or visiting the board to not misconstrue your posts as fact.
As far as the WOW GREEN/EESO litigation is concerned there are many factors that could play out. One could also say that EESO could gain full control over WOW as a way to cover damages stemming from not only overdue invoices but also because the "company" has proprietary information of EESO trade secrets. IMO
As far as Jared shooting straight from the hip I don't feel it's the CEO's job to answer all questions asked when there is pending litigation involved. Some answers may affect it in some way. As far as other questions like 5B shares AS etc... Companies do it all the time for all sorts of reasons and yes legitimate reasons. I would say google it or go to investopedia for some answers on why.
IMHO
And a very good logical observation to boot Lazyfaire. At least your theory has weight to it in the form of court papers. Good job!
Clay I would agree with you there. However your own arguement negates what you are having many believe. Just as we are unsure of the 12M contract being in limbo and we have no answers for it's existance. Same for your argument that every nother contract is off the table as well as WOW Green and EESO are done in ANY capacity. these opinions become moot within your own justifications. I am merely throwing out counter points to your points. As conjectured as both sides may be.
Him being a citizen of Indiana?? I'm not sure wha you are asking here or why it matters. No offense but it kinda sounds like an odd question and I'm just looking for clarification.
The 12 M contract alone is better year over year. (9M 2008) Growth in any company whether it's 3M or 30M it's still growth. EESO is a sleeping giant IMO.
That sounds like it came from an Obama economic advisor. So the "missed" 80M... Where would you say thatwent too? Why was it missed? How about the fact thaT WOW is not selling for them anymore. They were part of that big equation!
A big win would difinitely put EESO in the driver seat!
I never liked the MLM process for the "retail" side! The sham WOW guy has more credibilty than an MLM regardless of whos running it. Googled WOW green yesterday and a few Yahoo question pages popped up. Many people did not trust MLM's etc. Too much of a negetive stigma on those programs, ie: pyramid scheme, etc. Lets hope the commercial/industrial side builds up, which I think it will. This will be a good base to bring the products onto the shelves of supermarkets across America!
GO EESO
GO JARED!!!
I am only allowed one but I will gladly use it for the purpose you suggeest. Anything to get EESO back on the map and up into the penny's again which is where they should be. GLTY and have a great weekend everybody.
Awesome stuff Bob! I thought I had posted a link up about that a day or two ago but now I can't "find" it. Many on here are drawing a great correlation with the amount of things that are and are not allowed on EESO's board. The time of the influx of these posts and the drop in PPS. Some would say there is no way to control this but I disagree. I also posted some news about another penny doing business with South Korea so we (EESO sh) still have a great chance with a great company. That post is below.
Posted by: loud1125 Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:57:32 AM
In reply to: who wrote msg# 163967 Post # of 164108
There is another company being looked at by the Korean government so The political termoil scenario you gave is out of the picture.
The headline for the newswire reads "South Korean Delegation to Review BioCentric Photobioreactor". It was dated 7/20/09. This is a company that is also on this site and I'm sure you can figure it out. I don't own stock in this company but was given the tip awhile ago but never went for it. Hint: BE*L.
When reading this it gave me the reassurance that the 12 million dollar deal is still in play as well as other contracts. I believe there are a lot of things coming out soon for EESO and I am staying with them long! I will be buying more as time goes on so I can cash in when all the news breaks at once