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I really don't understand how someone who doesn't live and breathe this stuff is expected to understand, and why wasn't the miracle #"3" cusip brought up in 2012?
The ground seems to shift under our feet all the time
Thank you JN
I am confused, but frustrated as well. Either I never saw the post, (likely) or I am a complete baffoon, (more likely).
I never saw the referance or documents, (that I recall) regarding the two different common cusips.
Can someone, ( with being pompus or rude) tell me or direct me to where I can find this info at it's earliest point?
TIA
Windfall
Thanks KeyKey,
I get it, ( I think). I just had over the last 16 years never heard that the Commons had two distint cusips, and since AZ had brought it up I was trying to understand where it came from and how this would work thoughout the settlement process. I rarely post here any longer due to toxic nature of the different camps. People can be so very vile towards each other just for having a difference of opinion or asking questions regarding matters they don't understand.
this is a very complex situation, and not everyone is a forensic accountant or economist or a attorney. I liken it to living in a house, I may not know the first thing about building it, about wiring it ot plumbing it but that doesn't preclude me from living in it. If I have an issue with my plumbing I would perhaps ask a neighbor for advice and perspective, I would still more than likely call a plumber but would ask around first. The solution may be simple and therefore spending money on a plumber would not be necessary.
As always, I value the input of almost everyone on this board despte the camp they are in.
Thank you for your commentary and viewpoint.
Windfall
So, am to believe that cusip 939ESC968 which I assume most of had some is of zero value? At least that is how I interpret AZ's comment
AZ,
Windfall here, are you stating that Cusip 939ESC968 is and or will not be relevant? Are Cusip 939322103 the only ones for commons that have any value?
If that is the case, what was the point of cusip 939ESC968?
As always thanks for your response.
AZ,
windfall here, I am trying to understand the0.0414252113836481 multiplier.
1} What does all this represent?
2) Do I then multiply this number by my the number of UQs I had in my account as place holder?
As always.... Thanks
****Anyone that is bullish on UQs, feel free to respond
Boris,
This is Winfall, I have a question regarding Libor and commons. Specifically, UQs.
Do the UQs get to participate in any of the potential Libor recovery?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Windfall
That was what I figured.
I was was looking for confirmation
Thank you AZ
Windfall
I have a question for you, AZ.. or anyone on this board.
If,if,if we ever do see a settlement come to pass, will this be a taxable event?
Thanks in advance
Windfall
Sooooo......
It is now past June 16th, 2023, we are done here?
No 19's,18's or 22's?
It's so sad.. but expected.
So,
Milk duds and LG,
If,if,if the scenario you speak of was to happen, would there be any chance of interest payments to equity holders, specifically class 22?
Asking for a friend.. ;)
Windfall
Thanks to all who replied to my question.
I signed and released many,many moons ago. I also submitted the W9.
I thought they were asking for another one.
"IDIOT"
Windfall
U saw a post that stated we need to sign and submit a W9.
Where do we get the forms?
Where do we submit.
This is the first I have seen this.
Windfall
AZ,
I for one miss your insites and dialog. I also like LG's even though you two are in different camps,you still provide positve feedback and to my rememberence never thew people under the bus.
We make calculation errors.. I do it on multiple occations. I am still trusting the process and even though I still am two or three years from retirement and trips to Spain and Portugal I am enjoying this crazy ride. I do hope that class 19 and 22 see some F&R recovery but I will survive with out it.; although, I would really like to buy a new Aston Martin DB11.
But I don't need one.
Windfall
Newflow,
I am unclear as to what or whom "tilda" is...
I am not WOKE and Bobviously not educated in these matters. It's amazing what an MBA doesn't teach you and with 11 kids I now do not have the luxury of time to do resarch and refresh my skills.
Thanks
LG,
Windfall here... everyone keeps talking about Class 19 and it would seem that class 22 will be left in the cold. I do have some 19, not a huge amount but enough, however, I have a significant amount of class 22s. Is it to be understood that those 22's will have zero value? The lack of noise with regards to class 22 is deafining.
Thanks in advance for your honest response..
Windfall
Thank you LG, this was a great explanation. So question,
How does everything you just layed out effect class 22 "UQs"?
Thanks
Windfall
So,
I am wondering if our drama here is over? I have not seem posts from A/C, and L/G in some time. I wonder if they just got tired of the fighting and just chose to spend their time doing other things.
Anyone know? If that is the case it makes me sad and realize that perhaps 14 years of hope was a waste of your time, energy and skills.
Although, I have learned a great deal.
Windfall
AZC,
Does the interest continue to accumulate for all classes; 939322814,939322830 and 939ESC968?
In your opinion of course.
Thanks
Windfall
So, LG,
Are then stating without stating the those who hold class 22s are left with an empty bag?
Windfall
So Ron.
To help me try and wrap my head around the now almost generational fiasco, what do you see class 22 CUSUP # 939ESC968 receiving? In what form? If interest payments will it be as AZ states off of the profit margins over the last 41.304 qtrs?
As always
Thanks for the feedback.
Windfall Magic
So AZ,
I am curious as to what the .0537 annual percentage rate is attached too. ,0537% of what? that is what I can't get my head around..
Thanks
Windfall
So....
March 4th... ? bupkis, again. I wish I understood all the subterranean factors. I am so confused at this point. What exactly kept us from "getting paid" today? ??Windfall
So LG,
Are you stating that 968's are not dead? Do we still have a chance at some money?
AZ,
I am unclear of what just happened to Escrows? I says they expired and were removed? That means we are done? and no recovery for escrows at all?
What happened and what changed?
Windfall.
Royal,
Thank you for your honest and non-condescending response. So many times when I ask honest questions some of the elites tend to berate those of us who are not a experienced or have the resources.
Thank you
Windfall Magic
So, it would appear that we sill not hit the EOY prize.
So does this mean we are now focused on March date?
So,
To all the smart people on this board.. What I am hearing is that regardless of the markers in our accounts Escrow owners will not be seeing any value added to their trading accounts?
That not only really would suck, but it is confusing.. why go through the trouble of providing escrow markers?
I just need to here plain language and the reasons with out the political two step.
Windfall
Thanks Pick,
I was hoping for a start date for interest baring dates. So that i can run a fv analysis.
General question..
I can't recall when the proposed 5.34% interest started accruing.
Does anyone recall the date?
Thanks
Windfall.
Well Hotmeat.......
I am, and have always been.... So I don't get the point of your question.
It's funny, people post here about how this is such a waste of tome and effort, yet they are guilty of the very thing they criticize.
Oh, my wealth isn't monetary, it's esoteric.
Windfall
Thanks so much.. AZ.. so you are using the 86mm share count to calculate...
Thanks Boss..
AZ,
I am trying to napkin math the interest for the last 52 quarters.
Do you use a fv formula based on the quarterly ending sp?
For example; $37(1+1.45%)52 ?
Thanks
Windfall Magic
AZ,
I am trying to napkin math the interest for the last 52 quarters.
Do you use a fv formula based on the quarterly ending sp?
For example; $37(1+1.45%)52 ?
AZ,
You had stated the annual interest rate, which I know can not find.
Could you please restate that rate and what numbers that rate applies to please.
I cannot keep this straight in my head, ( or on paper).
Windfall
I am just the opposite.
I do better spring and summer. I don't trade after Thanksgiving until second week of January
There are many on the forum that speak of "plus interest" or "not including interest" when they post potential numbers.
I am clueless, what is that interest rate so many speak if? Is at an annualized rate? Quarterly rate?
What number is attached too?
Share price? Held back dividends?
If someone could or would please answer these simple questions it would be much appreciated.
As always
Thank you for the amazing knowledge on this board.
Windfall
So question so that I fully understand.
What is the difference between conta and escrow cusips?
TIA
Windfall
AZ,
I understanding the qtr 3%. What escapes me is 3% of what #?.
I am still far under water with regards to understanding this mess.
Windfall