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I have had to listen to so many New Yorkers dismiss the 97 Marlins because they were a "bought" team. Of course the Yankees were not a bought team even though they way outspent the Marlins that year.
The use of "mercenaries" in your post is also kind of ironic. Every one of those high priced stars playing for the Mets or the Yankess in NY is exactly that: mercenary. Not one of them would ever willingly play in NY except for the money.
Actually the break up of the team the day after winning the world series was a huge and unexpected shock to the Marlins fans.
The 1997 Marlins had the fifth highest payroll in MLB
http://www.baseballchronology.com/Baseball/Years/1997/Payroll.asp
Why was it OK for everyone else to spend money but not the 97 Marlins?
I am sure you have no problem when the Mets have a payroll of over 140 million while the Marlins have a payroll under 40 million. Reverse those figures and you would have a problem?
Are you saying that it is OK for certain teams to spend money but not others?
The 1997 Marlins were actually a brilliant combination of development players with some very intelligent free agent pick ups. Sure they spent some money but it was money very well and carefully spent.
Time and memory are fading but Renteria, Charles Johnson,Jeff Conine, Livan Hernandez were among those who played their rookie years for the Marlins.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hernali01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/renteed01.shtml?redir
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/johnsch04.php
http://www.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=112559
Rob Nen started pitching for the Marlins in 1993. Gary Sheffield's first year as a Marlin was 1993 (the inaugural year for the Marlins)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nenro01.shtml?redir
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sheffga01.shtml?redir
The real question is not why they put the 1997 Marlins together but rather why did they break them up? The players were willing to take cuts in pay in order to stay together and they begged Hiuzenga not to break up the team. They would have been a very powerful team the next year. Leiter, Conine, and Sheffield all had off years in 1997.
Actually the Marlins fan base has never recovered from having that team dismantled on the very day after they won the world series.
Wayne Huizenga claimed to be losing money but he actually made a lot of money that year. He lost some as the owner of the team, but he more than made up for that as the owner of the stadium. It was actually a quite profitable year for him. Ironically this is the only year that he ever won a sports championship and the only thing he knew how to do was crap all over it.
<Are hungry players better players?> Yes, without the slightest doubt
<with 3 teams whippin' and drivin' in the stretch> Which 3 teams?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings
I see that To Be Announced is pitching for both sides
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers.jsp?c_id=nym&ymd=20090412
Thanks however. I use that site all the time and I never had noticed that if you scroll down news on any team "Probable Pitchers" pops up.
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers.jsp?ymd=20090412&c_id=fla
That I will use as the definitive reference and this will save me the time wasted on Google searches (otherwise known as wild goose chases).
Mets fans
Sorry to impose again, but I really need to see confirmation that Santana is going to pitch on Sunday at Dolphin Stadium.
I could see them holding him back to pitch in the home opener so I don't think it is 100% for sure they'll send him out on Sunday.
I have been doing some searches, but I don't see it actually stated by the Mets management who is going to start on Sunday.
Thanks Should be Santana against Josh Johnson-should be a good game
They could have had Santana pitch with 4 days rest on Saturday
Question for Mets fans re rotation
Does anyone know if the pitchers for the first few weeks of the season have been announced?
Obviously Santana pitches opening day but when does he pitch again? I need to know for sure when he is pitching at Dolphin Stadium during both teams second series of the year.
The Marlins have announced they are going with a 4 man rotation for the first several days because of well situated off days.
OTOH the Mets have day 2 off for some reason and that makes the 4 man rotation difficult if not impossible. I believe I saw that Livian will pitch on the 11th at Dolphin stadium.
So is Santana going to pitch his second game of the season on Sunday the 12th? I imagine so, but I need to know for sure.
Please supply a link if you have one. I not only need to know but I need to document it. Or maybe they haven't made the announcement yet. I have been searching all over for it and can't find anything definite.
TIA
Joe Nelson is certainly a class act. <this winter's odd nontender by the Marlins> Is not really that odd however.
Nelson's career obviously raises durability questions. In addition, he seemed to ever so slowly be losing effectiveness as the season progressed.
The Marlins simply decided that the money was not worth the risk-and that they have plenty of potential bullpen arms in the high minors.
Nelson is a gutsy guy and I wish him all the luck with Tampa Bay. But the Marlins were determined to keep their payroll well under 35 million.
<Marlins: Would the country be in such fiscal disarray if Marlins general manager Larry Beinfest were running things? Went 84-79 last year despite entering the season with a $22 million payroll. Dangerous team in '09.>
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/playbook/20090213_Sizing_up_the_National_League_East.html
One other factor is that (Marlins pitching coach) Willey told me that this year the Marlins have decided to go from a finesse bullpen to more of a power bullpen. Nelson is definitely a finesse pitcher.
Sure. This thread seemed mainly to focus on the big market teams so I have been lying low.
In 2012 the Marlins will move into a new stadium
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=25360451
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readreplies.aspx?subjectid=12614&nonstock=True&msgid=25360451
Mets lose 6 to 1
<EVENING -- ANYONE HAVE THE YANKEE SCORE, AND WHAT INING, PLEASE>
No need to ever ask that question. First just go the web site of your favorite team.
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=fla
Note that on the right is a pulldown window "MLB sites" where you can scroll down to any team in the majors. So we'll go to the Yankees web site (because you are a Yankee fan but this is not necessary because you can search any game past or present from any team site)
But anyway the Yankee site.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=nyy
Then just look up and click on "Scoreboard" Scroll down and choose "Daily Scoreboard"
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/scoreboard/20080809.html
Then click on Gameday to get a pitch by pitch narrative of any game going on the majors.
I would suggest anyone to explore their team's website. There is a wealth of information.
I listened to that call live. Very impressive. Worth a listen
It looks like we're nicely on the move again
There are many sitting on large profits so some profit taking is to be expected.
In addition those that participated in the pp at $.60 can short to lock in a profit and ride their now free warrants for the upside potential.
Check out VST on Canadian Insider
http://www.canadianinsider.com/
The dirty game of Canadian PPs
But these pullbacks provide good entries if you don't have a position.
I think the chances are this is the real thing.
VAST EXPLORATION INC. (TSX VENTURE:VST)
PRESS RELEASE | June 12, 2008
Vast Exploration closes $35 million bought deal financing in connection with production sharing contract in Kurdistan Region of Iraq
NOT FOR ISSUE IN THE UNITED STATES OR TO U.S. NEWSWIRE SERVICES
Calgary, Alberta - Vast Exploration Inc. (“Vast” or the “Company”) (TSX-V: VST) is pleased to announce that it has closed its previously announced equity financing, including the exercise in full of the over-allotment option. Pursuant to the financing, the Company has issued and sold 58,335,000 units of the Company at a price of $0.60 per unit for total gross proceeds of $35,001,000 (the “Offering”). Each unit was comprised of one common share and one-half of one share purchase warrant, with each whole share purchase warrant entitling the holder thereof to acquire one Vast common share at a price of $0.90 at any time prior to June 12, 2010.
The Company intends to use the net proceeds from the financing for working capital and to fund its commitments under a Production Sharing Contract (“PSC”) that it has entered into with the Kurdistan Regional Government - Iraq for the exploration, development and production of petroleum resources in the 846 square kilometre Qara Dagh Block in the Sulaymaniya Governorate of the Federal Region of Kurdistan - Iraq. Further details regarding the PSC are available on the website of the Company at www.vastexploration.com and in a press release issued on May 20, 2008.
Canaccord Capital Corporation, as lead underwriter, and Macquarie Capital Markets Canada Ltd. (collectively, the “Underwriters”) acted as underwriters for the financing. In consideration for their efforts, the Underwriters received a cash commission equal to 6% of the gross proceeds of the Offering and 3,500,100 compensation options that will entitle them to acquire an equal number of Vast common shares at a price of $0.60 per share at any time prior to June 12, 2009.
All securities issued pursuant to the private placement are subject to a four month hold period following the closing date.
This press release is not an offering of securities for sale in the United States. The units have not been registered under the U.S. Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and may not be offered or sold in the United States absent registration or an exemption from the registration requirements of that Act.
About Vast Exploration Inc.
Vast Exploration Inc. is an independent oil and gas exploration and production company actively pursuing crude oil and natural gas opportunities. Vast currently has production operations in the Province of Alberta, Canada.
For additional information, please contact:
Ahmed S. Said
President and CEO
Tel: +1 (403) 263-3000
asaid@vastexploration.com
This press release contains "forward-looking information" within the meaning of applicable Canadian securities legislation. Forward-looking information includes, but is not limited to, statements with respect to the terms of the PSC agreement, the planned use of proceeds, and receipt of all regulatory approvals. Generally, forward looking information can be identified by the use of forward-looking terminology such as "plans", "expects" or "does not expect", "is expected", "budget", "scheduled", "estimates", "forecasts", "intends", "anticipates" or "does not anticipate", or "believes", or variations of such words and phrases or state that certain actions, events or results "may", "could", "would", "might" or "will be taken", "occur" or "be achieved". Forward-looking information is subject to known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause the actual results, level of activity, performance or achievements of the Company to be materially different from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking information, including but not limited to: general business, economic, competitive, geopolitical and social uncertainties; the actual results of exploration activities; regulatory risks; risks inherent in foreign operations; and other risks of the oil and gas industry. Although the Company has attempted to identify important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in forward-looking information, there may be other factors that cause results not to be as anticipated, estimated or intended. There can be no assurance that such information will prove to be accurate, as actual results and future events could differ materially from those anticipated in such statements. Accordingly, readers should not place undue reliance on forward-looking information. The Company does not undertake to update any forward-looking information, except in accordance with applicable securities laws.
THE TSX VENTURE EXCHANGE DOES NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ADEQUACY OR ACCURACY OF THIS RELEASE
http://www.vastexploration.com/index.asp?pid=45
This probably why (som profit taking but a good day nonetheless)
Niko Resources Completes Investment in Vast Exploration Inc.
Thursday June 12, 3:35 pm ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/ccn/080612/200806120467886001.html?.v=1
CALGARY, ALBERTA--(Marketwire - June 12, 2008) - NIKO RESOURCES LTD. (TSX:NKO - News) is pleased to announce that it has acquired approximately 19% of the issued and outstanding common shares of Vast Exploration Inc. (TSX VENTURE:VST - News; "Vast") for approximately $11,499,600 as part of Vast's recently completed $35 million bought-deal financing. Niko acquired 19,166,000 Units of Vast at $0.60 per unit. Each Unit consisted of one Vast share and one half of one share purchase warrant that is exercisable at a price of $0.90 per warrant until June 12, 2010. Niko has acquired the securities under this offering for investment purposes only and may acquire additional securities or dispose of its beneficial ownership, control or direction over securities through market transactions, private placements, treasury issuances or otherwise as circumstances or market conditions warrant or arise. Niko is now the single largest shareholder of Vast.
A copy of the early warning report filed in connection with this investment in Vast can be obtained from the Vast profile at www.sedar.com or by contacting Murray Hesje at (403) 262-1020.
June 12, 2008
Certain statements in this press release are forward-looking statements. Specifically, this press release contains forward-looking statements relating to management's approach to operations, estimates of future sales, production and deliveries, business plans for drilling and development, estimated amounts and timing of capital expenditures, anticipated operating costs, royalty rates, cash flows, transportation plans and capacity, anticipated access to infrastructure or other expectations, beliefs, plans, goals, objectives, assumptions and statements about future events or performance. The reader is cautioned that the assumptions used in the preparation of such information, although considered reasonable by Niko at the time of preparation, may prove to be incorrect. Actual results achieved during the forecast period will vary from the information provided herein as a result of numerous known and unknown risks and uncertainties and other factors. Such factors include, but are not limited to: general economic, market and business conditions; industry capacity; competitive action by other companies; fluctuations in oil and gas prices; the results of exploration and development drilling and related activities; the uncertainty of estimates and projections relating to productions, costs and expenses; uncertainties as to the availability and cost of financing; fluctuations in currency exchange rates; the imprecision in reserve estimates; risks associated with oil and gas operations, such as operational risks in exploring for, developing and producing crude oil and natural gas; risks and uncertainties involving geology of oil and gas deposits; the weather in the Company's area of operations; the ability of suppliers to meet commitments; changes in environmental and other regulations; actions by governmental authorities including changes in laws and increases in taxes; decisions or approvals of administrative tribunals; risks in conducting foreign operations (for example, political and fiscal instability or the possibility of civil unrest or military action in countries such as India and Bangladesh); the effect of acts of, or actions against international terrorism; and other factors, many of which are beyond the control of Niko. There is no representation by Niko that the actual results achieved during the forecast period will be the same in whole or in part as those forecast.
Contact:
Edward S. Sampson
Niko Resources Ltd.
Chairman of the Board, President & CEO
(403) 262-1020
Murray Hesje
Niko Resources Ltd.
VP Finance & CFO
(403) 262-1020
Website: www.nikoresources.com
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Source: Niko Resources Ltd.
Sudden bop up on good volume
Why should the pp closing cause the price to take off?
I've seen the opposite where participants in the pp are busily shorting the stock so as to get (in effect) free warrants.
But these pps were much smaller and VST may turn out to be something special
VSY could turn into the real elephant
Yes Kurdistan would be the elephant, but some cash flow out of Canada certainly wouldn't hurt.
I remember when VST had predictions of huge future cash flows from their NG wells ($.43/share) on their website. Then they had some problem with the aborigine titles and they pulled their rosy predictions from the web site.
I tried to contact them but they went into hiding (working on this Kurdish deal as it turns out).
I was sitting with some PP warrants that I had mentally written off when all of a sudden boom kind of like manna from heaven.
Now apparently there is some value also in their Canadian projects?
I am not sure what that means. Apparently they like today's news. I am not sure what the significance of today's announcement is. I assume it refers to their other projects and demonstrates that they have value.
Vast Announces Filing of NI51-101 Forms
Thursday May 29, 12:40 pm ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/ccn/080529/200805290465120001.html?.v=1
Thursday May 29, 12:40 pm ET
CALGARY, ALBERTA--(Marketwire - May 29, 2008) - Vast Exploration Inc. ("Vast" or the "Company") (TSX VENTURE:VST - News), today announced that it has filed the disclosure and reports relating to reserves data and other petroleum and natural gas information required pursuant to National Instrument 51-101 for the year ended January 31, 2008. A copy of Vast' forms 51-101F1, 51-101F2 and 51-101F3 required pursuant to National Instrument 51-101 may be obtained from the Company's SEDAR profile at www.sedar.com.
About Vast Exploration Inc.
Vast Exploration Inc. is an independent oil and gas exploration and production company actively pursuing crude oil and natural gas opportunities. Vast currently has production operations in the province of Alberta, Canada.
THE TSX VENTURE EXCHANGE DOES NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ADEQUACY OR ACCURACY OF THIS RELEASE
Contact:
Ahmed S. Said
Vast Exploration Inc.
President and CEO
(403) 263-3000
Email: info@vastexploration.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source: Vast Exploration Inc.
ESA by it's very nature as a SPAC company is unlikely to have any or much of a dip. There is a guaranteed price 0f $5.80 to anyone who votes against a deal after it is announced. In addition a fund has been supporting the bid for some time currently at $5.61.
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=23858129&srchtxt=ESA
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=55438
The warrants ESAWS may be a compelling buy however. If the deal is consummated they will be worth much more-with the risk of going to zero if no deal is brokered.
Large holders in DPTR continue to dominate the stock holdings:
<Filed today in Proxy 6 own 53.83%
Security Ownership of Certain Beneficial Owners
The following table presents information concerning persons known by us to own beneficially 5% or more of our issued and outstanding voting securities at August 30, 2006. All information is taken from or based upon ownership filings made by such persons with the SEC.
Amount and Nature Name and Address of Beneficial Percent
Title of Class(1) of Beneficial Owner Ownership ofClass(2)
Common Stock
Sprott Asset Management, Inc.
Suite 2700 South Tower
Royal Bank Plaza
Toronto, Ontario M5J 2J1
Canada
7,565,576 shares 14.27% Common Stock
Capital Group International, Inc.
111100 Santa Monica Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90025
6,195,690 shares 11.69% Common Stock
Capital Research Management
Company and SMALLCAP
World Fund, Inc.
333 South Hope Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
4,347,500 shares 8.20% Common Stock
Touradji Capital Management, LP
101 Park Avenue, 48th Floor
New York, NY 10178
3,895,963 shares 7.35% Common Stock
GLG Partners LP
1 Curzon Street
London W1J 5HB
England
3,672,311 shares (3) 6.92%Common Stock
Steinberg Asset Management, Inc.
12 East 49th Street, Suite 1202
New York, NY 10017
2,863,965 shares 5.40%>
http://www1.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=969&mn=339&pt=msg&mid=492730
Just kibitzing here, but I would hang in there. Clearly you are identifying good positions which is far from easy. As you said, you need to work on your stop loss techniques- and perhaps be little more patient with the actual buy point.
But I have no doubt that you will get it down and be making some serious money.
take care and best of luck.
This does sound good from Moriarty
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22760960
<Or am I the only long term holder of this stock on iHub?>
No-definitly not
Well they told me today they are planning out how to keep them running until November-that Basil is meeting on site now with the two chief geologists on how to accomplish this.
At the rate the lab is turning out results, we should be receiving data well into the winter anyway.
Addendum: well I am sure they will clarify soon
The fact that they want to keep going I view as a positive.
They are hopping to extend the drilling until November
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22702996
Are they nuts?
I would have to hope that they would not have wasted every one's time in traipsing around a mountain in the middle of nowhere if they had zilch.
I was just kidding gentlemen, but I do appreciate the comments. I've made some fairly large bets on CHX TSC and SMD so I am grateful for any input. Thanks
Everyone sleeping? Like babies on the newborn thread?
from Stock house:
<Cash Minerals....HOT STOCK!!!... Speculative buy
Snapshot: CHX CVV CXX DJE EFR JNN MGA TUE UEX URE
My first Uranium / Coal pick....
Cash Minerals – CHX.V Speculative BUY
Close: 1.38 52 week high: 1.29 52 week low: .20
C/S Outstanding: 63MM
Fully diluted: 84MM
Target Entry: $1
Highlights:
Uranium:
4 Uranium properties in the Wernacke Mountains
3 properties (Bond, Igor and Steel) host uranium that is modelled on iron-oxide copper-gold (IOCG) deposits of which the world's largest uranium mine, the Olympic Dam Deposit in South Australia
1 property (Lumina or Pterd) is a structurally controlled high-grade uranium prospect similar to those in the Athabasca basin
2 other uranium properties in Yukon, Pedlar (in west-central Yukon) and Alle (in southeastern Yukon) both host uranium in Cretaceous granitic intrusions viewed as bulk tonnage uranium targets modeled on the Rossing Deposit in southern Africa
Signed a binding letter of intent to acquire 100% of the Rupert River Uranium Property in the James Bay territory of Quebec.
43-101 Report was completed recently on the 588 km2 property
2006 drill program total of 9000m on 3 properties Igor, Lumina, & Pedlar
Coal:
Division Mountain coal prospect 100% owned
Division Mountain scoping study indicates potential economic development for an open pit mine of 1.375 MM tons annually of saleable coal
Measured and indicated resources of 51.5 MM tons
Coal to Liquids Project in China:
Fischer-Tropsch process to convert coal into high quality sulphur-free diesel fuel at a rate of 50,000 barrels/day.
potential coal resource of over 1.5 billion tonnes
The Properties on the go…
URANIUM
Lumina - Uranium
Focusing on an area 50 m long by 20 m wide
4 holes completed awaiting results; lengths from 80 -150 m
3500m of drilling planned for 2006
Surface exploration and hand samples yielded an average of 29.8 lb/ton U3O8 and ranged up to 153.4 lb/ton U3O8 over a distance of 1.4 kms
characteristics of unconformity related, high-grade, vein-and-fracture-controlled uranium mineralization similar to Athabasca-Basin style deposits
Igor – Uranium
3 holes have been completed awaiting assays pending; lengths approximately 100m
5500 m of total drilling planned for 2006
2005 exploration yielded a 74.44 metre drill hole intersection which averaged 1.4 lb/ton U3O8 and 1.88% copper (Cu) an iron-oxide-copper-gold (IOCG) breccia
includes....
14.5 m of 4.79% Cu and 4.3 lb/ton U3O8
12.43 m of 4.79% Cu and 3.84 lb/ton U3O8
Coal
Division Mountain coal deposit
90 km north-northwest of Whitehorse, 100% owned
five coal leases which grant mining rights for a renewable 21-year term
22 Territorial Coal Exploration Licences encompassing approximately 360,000 hectares of coal bearing stratigraphy in the Division Mountain area
exploration aimed to define sufficient resources for an export thermal coal mine and/or a 20 MW to 50 MW generating station for a period in excess of twenty years.
"Division Mountain Scoping Study" supports the potential for the economic development of an open pit mine based on the annual production of approximately 1.375 million tons of saleable coal
measured and indicated resources of 51.5 million tons
measured and indicated resources is less than 5% of the entire property and could be increased substantially with additional drilling!!!
preliminary mine plans and a mining cost estimate to exploit the project resources over a 22-year open pit mine life
annual pretax cash flow of $34MM
capital costs to develop the mine of $31.9 MM
(IRR) of 59.6 %
(NPV) $74.8 MM
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Conclusion:
From a quick look at CHX it appears that they are aggressively targeting the energy sector through Uranium exploration , coal mining for export and power generation as well as teaming up with Chinese partners to develop clean coal in Asia.
CHX is drilling 2 Uranium properties Lumina and Igor and have announced that they are flying newsletter writers up to take a personal look at the properties. Rumor has it that the must have hit some pretty decent grades to be pulling out all the stops for the newsletter writers. They also have a solid drill program for the properties for the rest of 2006 totaling 10000m .
The division mountain coal project has been to scoping study and has been given a net present value of $75MM. This project has the potential to become much bigger as the study was done on measured and indicated reserves cover only 5% of the land. This coal project has huge upside potential.
When you add partnering with the Chinese to develop clean coal burning plants in China; it is a ground floor opportunity that could spur CHX into a long life of developing plants all across China if they decide to use that style of energy to supplement nuclear and other forms of enregy being sought by the Chinese.
CHX is a speculative buy at $1 - $1.50 with a 2 year target of $3 -$5 if they can advance their coal project to production and possibly define an economical uranium deposit that they are trying to define at the present. Uranium explorers usually do not come up with anythign ecnomical so when they do... It can be a good bet to do well in the long run... especially with the future outlook of uranium prices.
It has run recently from a correction low of .40 3 weeks ago to a high of 1.44 the last 2 days.
Now if you think big… which these guys are…
They could hit and prove up everything….
A couple economical uranium (U3O8) deposits ….
A BIG coal project bringing tons of cash flow to fund the uranium projects and then who knows….
A ground floor clean coal partnership in China!!!
If anyone can do it.... CHX has the MGMT experience and track record to back up everything they say.
The least half of 2006 will be very interesting for Cash minerals with so much going on for them.
Definately 1 of my hot stocks to watch for the coming months and years.
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That has got to be about the dumbest post I've ever seen
Anyone who could call himself Smart can only be anything but
Funny that this source show an entirely different path for Gilbert
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/hurr/hurtrack/index.html
<that's what homeowners insurance is for <g>...>
The new Florida Windstorm Insurance had large deductibles not to mention that:
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=20509786