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nevermind literally just got email saying i am in... and there is some sort of issue with my account.
if anyone is still on here... and knows... so i am checking my TDAm account and it still reads # of shares and then N/A... from the other posts i have read it should read something else by now?
did i get screwed or are there any TDA'ers that have insight.
i didn't opt out.
What alarms me...
And sorry if this had been covered... But I really don't like the wording...
Receive UP TO 70%... Up to always means you aren't getting the full amount.
Has anyone taken note of this?
Or am I about to be yelled at?
Disclaimer... I am a very stupid pre-holder who should have gotten out
when we were high.. Now I pretty much have lost everything no matter
what the pay out is. So I am too busy trying to find work to compensate
for the huge loss and stop me from putting a gun in my mouth, so please
don't yell at me for not reading a billion posts that I don't have time to
read. Thanks!
Ok, I have read... So please don't kill me... Just don't understand
when the last date is to buy before they will be worthless? Like
the 24th and then mail in and give the release by the 28th
Or am I playing with fire no matter what.
sorry been out of the loop, is Feb 9 the cut off for buying in and getting voting rights?
Here here to that
Shareholders will probably get nothing... Negotiation Transcript
EC: We want more than zero.
ROSEN: We want all 333B worth.
EC: Give us one dollar.
ROSEN: Sorry, Ok we will only take 250B, DEAL?
EC: Where is the rest going?
ROSEN: What rest? We are only getting 250B, you are a VULTURE AND GREEDY!
EC: 50 Cents?
ROSEN: Ok... Look, I talk to my boss and we never do this... But we are only gonna
get ourselves... 100B... Ok, you are killing me here, we are actually losing money on this deal.
EC: Ok but what do we get?
ROSEN: 0
EC: Well where is the other money?
ROSEN: What money?
EC: Fine deal.
Yeah right.
Sad that in reality... This entire thing could have all been handled in a month.
When it comes down to it... It is simple math. 0's and 1's.
The three years come from when people hide the 1's and show the 0's
Because of greed, hubris, and so many other traits of men of no and low character.
I hope karma is not just a word.
NEXT PHASE: DIVIDE EQUITY... Beware longs.
Prophecy...
Don't bother asking... because I won't answer.
First statement P's 873... Commons 0
Then nothing said.
Then next statement...
Take these words for whatever you wish.
Prophecy...
Don't bother asking... because I won't answer.
First statement P's 873...
Then nothing.
Then next statement...
Take these words for whatever you wish.
Do you feel a specific date for this to happen?
Will they have to before the ruling date, or we just going to have delay after delay...
or are delays exhausted?
I am out of the loop, can't afford anti depressants anymore (joke), so I just don't
read that much. just curious of your opinion.
What is our date for the ruling?
sorry just got back from Alaska... been out of
net world and i am lazy.
please help.
What's our next "important" date?
I would take the 300!
After I took the bike back.
Then if I was feeling guilty
I would ride to their house
and offer them 50 for their
300.
funny how it fit so so well.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Official Transcript!
SHAREHOLDERS:
Ding Dong! The WICKED POR is dead. Which old POR? The Rosenshit POR!
Ding Dong! The POR is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked POR is dead. It's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked POR is dead!
HJMW:
As Judge of the Shareholder City, In the County of the Corruption, I welcome you most regally.
Rosen:
But we've got to verify it legally, to see
HJMW:
To see?
ROSEN:
If they
HJMW:
If they?
ROSEN:
Are morally, ethic'lly
Spiritually, physically
Positively, absolutely
Shareholder:
Undeniably and reliably Dead
Susman:
As real lawyer I must aver, I thoroughly examined her.
And she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead.
HJMW:
Then this is a day of Independence For all the Shareholders and their descendants
Rosen:
If any.
HJMW:
Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked Old POR at last id dead!
completely white out the box and the option part. then they can't check it.
much appreciated!
can you let me know where bop's speculation is?
P's down to 13 what the heck is going on? U's meandering...
I need more tums.
during a bankruptcy it is standard to move assets to
spouse. it happens often and doesn't prove guilt of
anything... it is a defense from often aggressive
creditors trying anything to get money.
Mr. Talton,
First, I would like to express my appreciation for your reply. I also would like to request you humor me by reading one more email. I know you are busy, and I am guessing by the boards that some people might be sending you 'not so level headed' emails. So with this in mind I appreciate your time for one last discourse on the topic. I pray that it may further ignite an interest in your journalist heart to champion an exploration of this tragedy.
Allow me to pose one question to you...
By the FDIC's own statements they have seized 157 banks, with a total cost of $57 billion. WAMU, by far the largest of all seizures cost the FDIC "NOTHING." They admit themselves that the FDIC had zero cost in the process, yet it seeks damages from these former executives nearing 1 billion. Will this money be going to repay creditors? shareholders? No the FDIC plans to keep the funds. Are other banks that failed having their former executives pursued? Can you say that the fact that the largest seizure cost the least is not confusing, odd, or troubling?
The answer that the FDIC will give is that there was no cost because they jumped in before the collapse as a pre-cautionary act. That meshes well with their own admittance that WAMU was SOLVENT, and "we may have acted pre-maturely."
At this level and with this much money involved "WOOPS" really doesn't cut it. I will concede that WAMU executive may have acted in a manner that caused risk, however other banks were acting in much the same manner. If you really examine mortgage exposure you will find that WAMU was in fact no where near as bad as presumed.
Furthermore, there are such oddities in this matter that are beginning to create such a pillar of smoke one must conclude that where there is smoke there is fire.
Why when the market was experiencing serious 'shorting' issues, the SEC protected all the top 20 largest banks... However, they denied WAMU protection!
Still to this day SEC refuses to explain there actions to myself and numerous other shareholders.
Why did the FDIC not only violate their own rules of seizure guidelines and seize WAMU 1.) Without recapitalization warning 2.) On a Thursday 3.) Informing JPM two weeks prior to the seizure that they were planning on seizing them, undermining sales attempts by WAMU 4.) Hastily sold a 200B bank without a full asset review within hours in a process which usually takes 3-10 days in which they take all bids and allow the highest bid to maximize value of estate. 5.) And to this day FDIC refuses (despite FOIA requests) to provide a list of Assets seized, nor will JPM provide a list of Assets received.
You stated in your reply that "sinister" probably isn't the word to use... But what if it is? What if this is just another case of something being so big that people are too quick to dismiss it, and the minutia of the day allows truly villainous acts to go unexamined.
Just as 5 years ago Bernie Madoff was a titan of Wall Street, 12 years ago Enron was a great company, and in 1929 JP Morgan's actions (by many economic historian accounts) catalyzed the great collapse. There is always a time when people cannot fathom the acts of men due to their scale being so grand that it is beyond our paradigm. Then one day someone can see the "forrest from the trees" and that which was called impossible, improbable, or thoughts of a conspiracy 'nut.' If you were a journalist before any one of these events and I came to you with the story years before it broke... Most likely it would be dismissed, dismissed because people didn't want to examine the status quo.
True as you stated WAMU didn't have the DC connections which left them out of the boys club and left them vulnerable... But what if... What if it is more than that.
What if this was the LARGEST BANK HEIST in HISTORY? What if Dimon / JPM after being embarrassed and enraged (publicly) by the WAMU rejection he orchestrated the take down... The murder if you will of an American Financial Institution. JPM had the inside information and has been proven to be the source that pushed ratings agencies to down grade WAMU, Hedgefunds began shorting WAMU, SEC refused to protect WAMU, Blair who has a relationship with Dimon begins pushing for seizure despite OTS and Treasury saying the bank was solvent and telling her "stay out of it." Then Blair quickly hands the bank to JPM for a fraction of what was paid for smaller banks such as Indie Mac. Now almost 3 years later we can't find out what was sold, we can't find out who made the mystery withdrawals because the records "haven't been found," and yet we fight on.
Hopefully you have made it this far with out pressing delete.
You stated in your email "I'll do my best" I don't know you but if you truly mean that... I assume your best can uncover what has happened. If it was the obligatory "I'll do my best" that is the way to say, "no thanks."
I respect either definition, for it might not be your path. Because the path that may lead you to truth and TRUE JUSTICE you mentioned in your article, is a tough road. But maybe you are one of the few that will embrace that life.
So take one minute, imagine. What if this is the tip of the ice berg? What if this is a story of a life time? What if you uncover the largest bank heist in history?
I hope you do.
Either way. Many blessings and peace.
Jason
Dear Mr. Talton,
I just read your article regarding WAMU and justice.
I make no defense for the individuals that ran WAMU,
however I think there is much more to this story than
you touched on in your article. I think that there is
something much more sinister than misguided bank
managers. I sincerely urge you to research the bank-
ruptcy case and all the odd questions that the FDIC
refuses to answer in relation to the seizure. Questions
like, why do high ranking officials in the OTS and
treasury think that FDIC 'acted in abuse of power'
and in general should not have seized WAMU? Why
with only days before TARP did FDIC violate their
own protocol to rush the seizure knowing that TARP
would have made seizure unnecessary? Why was
WAMU not given the standard 10 days to recapitolize?
Why was JPM allowed to bid in violation of there
contract with WMI? Why did the SEC not protect
WAMU from short selling despite requests for
protection. Why did the FDIC ignore other
bid offers? The questions go on and on... Still to this
day the P&A of WMB has not been completed by
FDIC and JPM, nearly 3 years after the tragic day
of the seizure. To rest the blame on the captains of
the ship is the easy way out, to search deeper and
find that there was sabotage by outside forces is
the work of a dedicated journalist. Are you that
person? I would hope so. Because sadly if you
truly are, you are one of the very few.
Praying for someone who really wants justice.
Truly,
Jason
I wonder if ROSEN will bill his average 12+ hours...
Or if because he is vacationing, he will claim that it
is 24 hours of work to avoid doing work and therefore
bill all 24 hours?
Why do victims link life should be fare?
I dunno why do people like you spend time on boards that you obviously have nothing to add to?
gracias!! that is disconcerting.
STRIKE and ILENES... Much appreciated. Blessings.
The degree at which so many parties are completely and utterly defying duties and logic is dumbfounding. I feel like I am in "BIZARRO WORLD" where nothing makes any sense.
And seemingly no one feels like they have any chance of being held accountable.
These people should be put on a "TRIAL OF THE PEOPLE" allow us to grill them and get some truths.
If all parties involved really wanted to have this matter settled this would / could settle in a day.
Greed and lack of respect for others... And I hope whom ever allowed this travesty pays dearly.
For even if there is a settlement tomorrow beyond our wildest dreams, there are lives that will
NEVER be made whole. And the EVIL that a few have done to so many should garner some serious
time in HELL be it on this planet or in another existence. MAKES ME SICK!
Happy new Year!
Word on the street is JPM is calling in debt, raising funds. EOM
sorry cannot talk about it
okay board.. appreciate the response... i have someone i can talk to that is
a long time trusted board person... so i am going to talk to them... and see
what they say... will get back to all if i can... however rest assured it is not bad.
sorry michael i am not too familiar with you...
i need to go with someone i am very familiar
with... apologies. but we have never talked
before.
i can't share for reasons i can't share... that is why i am consulting with others on the board to see if it is wise to share or not... if i explained rest assured you would say... oh yeah i get it.
thanks uz... hopefully he will be down for chatting
UZUAL, RAMIREZ or other trusty longs... help.
okay so here is the deal, i would like to share some
information with one of you and get your opinion on
it.. i don't think it is for mass board consumption
for many reasons and don't want to get in any
form of trouble.
i have been a long time poster and think that
i have posted enough to show that i am trust
worthy and honest, and i am pre seizure big
holder.
i don't have pm so if one of you would be
willing to share an email address with me
via pm i would like to have a talk with one
of you.
potentially very interesting stuff.
please consider
Rosen is using the deposition to ask questions like "So, under penalty of law you must answer truthfully! What is the least amount you will accept to settle!" HAHAHAHHAAHAHAA
that is how it is helping settlement!