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Having trouble bringing up the site. Waiting for a return call from the DOJ rep.
Will post any clarifying info. asap.
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Did you get the E- from our Girl ??? just got it myself.
To any GBVS investors here ( buys between 05 & 06 exclusive ) The site from the DOJ is now up and running.
esarsea: Yes it was a great site.
I just discovered an error in my initial response to your question though. I gave the wrong impression related to the " yield ". The total yield was very good but towards the end of the period ( last two months or so) it dwindled down to a point that didn't justify its continuance.
Just wanted to clarify the above.
CEL: Any prediction is premature at this point. As I posted a door " may have opened ". Being quite honest with you I'm not all that knowledgeable on exactly how the Government determines when it will seek restitution in situations such as this. Either way should victim restitution ever come into play from ANY Judicial action I'm sure you'll become aware of it through one means or another.
In the Tulsa Cartel sentencing ( criminal trial ) the Court specified in its decision that those convicted would have a portion of their ill gotten gains placed in a victims restitution fund. This is usually sought by the prosecution as part of the final disposition when defendants are found guilty ( or plead pre-trial ). So far your still in civil jurisdiction but who knows ?
I'm sure if I or others on this board hear of anything it will get posted. I did invest ( donate ) a smaller sum in the early transition days of RUNU so I could be a member of the " injured parties club " which to me at the time seemed inevitable. Thought it would be nice to have a " standing " when the s--t hit the fan. Now I like you and others have one should the matter fall into the right venue. PS - I did post my investment intentions on another popular stock board at the time and took some friendly flack because of it. Wasn't a problem 'till my wife found out. " YOU DID WHAT "... because of that should I ever get any restitution on this at any future time ?,,, she gets the check .
Either way don't hold your breath. No matter what's decided by whoever decides it it's going to be a long time coming if it goes your way.
Best during the Holidays...
Yep ! the site was up for one year. The creator of the site found that towards the end of that period the yield did not justify its exsistance.
Time donated to maintain and monitor the site coupled with cost and aggrevation came into play when the above was considered.
*** Little side note however. Somebody bought up the name the minute in closed down. Hmmmmmmmmm ?
Matt : My bad, intended to address this first.
The " Formed from the Beginning , to be just what it was. A vehicle for ill gotten gain " & " After forming initially in South Bend " To the very best of my knowledge and heartfelt belief based on all I know and have put together from others is somewhat misleading.
In the past I did mention from the start but that was specific to certain people, not ALL the originals. Yes, I believe the plan was concocted in South Bend by one faction but not 'till they smelled the opportunity unknowingly and unintentionally in that sense presented to them by the other faction. If I was ever PROVED wrong I would be one very unhappy camper with an agenda.
Don't believe it's even possible though. Not by a long shot. Nothing adds up along those lines.
Perspective. Time line, who was in but more importantly who was out at the time of the act upon which was just made public.
Easy to innocently misconstrue the actual events based on the wording. In form it may be true but it ain't accurate and can easily lead readers to the wrong conclusion although that certainly wasn't the Government's intent. I'm sure others are somewhat unhappy with the way the wording can throw dispersions
where they don't belong.
Time I think will tell all. Let's put that on our Christmas list.
Matt: Actually the only ones I can articulate who are deserving of the congratulations are our Government agencies for following up on the many complaints. Again as I have stated in the past they were on the Tulsa Crew back in the summer of '06. Perhaps the many complaints they have received since then alerted them or assisted them as things progressed, perhaps not.
Now for the " Known " acts from the investors deserving of a merit badge or acknowledgement you are right up there with the " FAT Johnny " block towards the end of the first quarter. Perhaps I get an at-a-boy for my efforts with the Sweden, European scheme ( although maybe not connected to our home team ? ) and maybe ? maybe ? on a few other matters. Perhaps an A or B for effort is in order but then again effort without prove able results drawn directly from that effort alone don't count for much. Now GORUDY, there's an effort an a half. How much that helped the cause we'll never know but if that didn't I don't know what could from the investor end. Honorable mention to Dana also. I'm sure there's others also
Little point to ponder though after this latest revelation. Act 1 lost many of its performers as we know and now we have act 2 on the stage. But what about those silly little matters addressed in the " post of posts " we just discussed. Seems like they should at sometime be addressed also doesn't it ? Sure same play, different stage but what about the actors prior actions ?
Jezus H. ! this damn thing could go on forever. Make Nicholas Nickleby look like a prelude to a promo in comparison.
( help wanted ) - WITH YOUR NOSE SO BRIGHT WON'T YOU GUIDE MY SLIEGH TONIGHT ?
Matt: If your referring to your post #4236 I just checked and it's still there. Should it ever disappear and should you need a copy just let me know and I'll un-frame mine, copy it and send it to you.
I'm in question on posts # 4380-86 from yesterday. I'm showing blanks on my screen and wondering why. Few ideas but could be wrong.
Should you want to read " The offical story " regarding the latest you can find it if you google " SEC LITIGATION RELEASE NO.22198 and open the complaint box. Lays it all out nicely.
And a big " Happy Holidays to you and yours "
Anybody know why a group of posts are not getting displayed ? Looks like 8 at this time. 2 were mine. Did peoples toes get stepped on ? or could it be something more sinister ?
Nope dead wrong RudyHater. If Carver was he would have been nailed too. Carver got the shaft by the Rudy Crew and was pretty much forced out. He and the rest of the beverage end people. Salaries not being paid, expenses not getting reimbursed, agreements not being honored etc. etc.
The Feds were in early and watched and tactically waited. Everyone was looked at and Drew was gone long before the time period surrounding the complaint.
You have an axe to grind you should at minimum get your facts straight.
Not gloating here. Honestly, not at all. In reality a sad day in so many ways for so many people in that it came to this.
Do wonder if my old board buddy " Lou Chip " is aware of these announcements though. Old Lou who I went back and forth with kind of disappeared after the " Fairplay " indictment came down many, many months ago. Never gave me the opportunity to get his take on that announcement. Just wonder if he'd like to address this new one ?
So sad and so, so unnecessary.
Well 'cdh11 ' and all other boys and girls who were " injured " it just MAY BE that a door just opened.
This is premature but possibilities now exist that didn't exist before. Not predicting anything here but there just may be a glimmer of light.
Best o'luck to all.
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FYI- Looks like what was intended to start in October will now start in early January regarding the reimbursement process. Unexpected delays due to volume I assume.
For the RUNU/RUDN investors ? Few problems here. First the Feds would have to file charges against those who were in control of the company ( piece of cake in my humble opinion ). Then you need a successful prosecution on selected violations. After that you have to hope the prosecutors and judge are in agreement that restitution is warranted and commence that process ( lot'sa work ).
One problem with the above could be is any ill gotten gains recoverable ? How much cash or property can be shown to have been obtained through the " acts " ? and what are chances of recovering it with reasonable effort ? Then in such cases you have to consider how much has been salted away out of Government view ? ( if any ).
I'd just hope that the suits have an active investigation(s) going that could possibly lead to the above. Who knows ? I wouldn't hold my breath though and I wouldn't view this in the same scope as what is occurring with the GBVS investors at this point. The " Cartel " convictions and their ramifications although connected where still a different type of animal in many ways.
Keep your fingers crossed that the Smanjak investigation that ties directly to RUDN produces information that MAY SOMEDAY be beneficial to the investors ?
The posts listed in prior post 4366 seem to tell a story. Let's hope the right people are listening !!!
BOL.
FYI- Should anyone be wondering about the delay for GBVS victims.
At last count there is 10,900 victims combined. I'll update all related information received immediately.
BACK AT 'YA AGAIN :O)
Received a notice from Fara today that things are taking a little longer than expected but the process is moving forward. Also the Reskin postponements) will NOT have an effect on this.
Hope everyone appreciates the competence and courtesy of the DOJ vic/wit. staff. So far top notch in every way. ( that's rare for govt. employees, trust me I know. )
" PRO ATHLETES AND COACHES " nickel/dime !
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Must have hit the post button twice after seeing there was a delay in the first message posting. Tried 3 times to cancel the duplicate message and it appeared to " take " after each attempt but obviously didn't. Sorry 'bout that.
If your referring to investors in RUNU, RUDN then there is nothing for you to do at this point because the above ( its principles ) have not as of yet been charged with any criminal violations that could result in eventual restitution for its victims as is the case for the GBVS victims who invested before Jan. 01st. '07.
On this note many people are somewhat dismayed that a criminal action hasn't been commenced due to what many feel were obvious intentional violations of Securities Law and in its simplest terms various federal criminal violations surrounding schemes to defraud. That's not to say that there isn't an active investigation in progress dealing specifically with these matters nor is it to say that there is. Either way it's obvious to many knowledgeable investors that there should be considering the amount of complaints ( with supporting evidence ) that were filed with federal agencies.
Concerning the possibility of a like situation ever occurring with investors of RUNU/RUDN then as with GBVS, as shareholders of record, the Govt. would likely contact same as they are about to do with the qualifying GBVS victims.
Perhaps if you contacted the SEC they could provide you with more information relating to your complaint and concerns. Best of luck with that one.
If your referring to investors in RUNU, RUDN then there is nothing for you to do at this point because the above ( its principles ) have not as of yet been charged with any criminal violations that could result in eventual restitution for its victims as is the case for the GBVS victims who invested before Jan. 01st. '07.
On this note many people are somewhat dismayed that a criminal action hasn't been commenced due to what many feel were obvious intentional violations of Securities Law and in its simplest terms various federal criminal violations surrounding schemes to defraud. That's not to say that there isn't an active investigation in progress dealing specifically with these matters nor is it to say that there is. Either way it's obvious to many knowledgeable investors that there should be considering the amount of complaints ( with supporting evidence ) that were filed with federal agencies.
Concerning the possibility of a like situation ever occurring with investors of RUNU/RUDN then as with GBVS, as shareholders of record, the Govt. would likely contact same as they are about to do with the qualifying GBVS victims.
Perhaps if you contacted the SEC they could provide you with more information relating to your complaint and concerns. Best of luck with that one.
Always a day late and a dollar short as they say.....
Just got a call from a blood that he just pulled up to the SMITH OPERA HOUSE in Geneva NY. and much to his amusement he immediately took note of a large sign stating that at 7:30 pm there would be a Meet & Greet with the actual Rudy Ruettiger who had his life portrayed in the famous movie " RUDY ".
The sign read " Meet & Dream " as a theme for his speech. Also, those in attendance will have an opportunity to personally meet with Rudy as time permits.
Wonder what my blood will ask Rudy should he get the chance to speak with him ( he lost heavy on the beverage too ). Just maybe he'll ask what happened to the business ?
Only wish I would have known. Love to see the little guy again and talk about old times.
Nice to see the " R " man is still making money doing something.
Geez, just maybe he's looking to buy another house. Guess he moves around a lot.
Very happy to hear that and thanx for the FYI...
Think more than a few people thought I was full of bull when I notified them of the news. Bet poor Gayla's had her hands full for months now. Glad we have her assigned to our case. Wonderful to deal with.
Waiting for Reskins gavel day. Haven't heard anything yet other than the saga continues.
My " net " homies are heavy into silver as of late. " S " might still be sweet too if you can wait ?
stay well !
Just an FYI. - per gov. notification - George David Gordon to file an appeal. Imagine that Clark may also. I was informed that this appeal WILL NOT invalidate or postpone the process involving the victims restitution fund. Was again reminded however that the restitution phase is also a lengthy process.
Yep ! You can take the loss but NEVER lose the paperwork. Keep your brokerage firm copy of all your buy/sells etc. and lock them away just in case.
' Ya just never know ?
Drew: Sadly in your case no.
The 5.5 mil. from Lindberg although considered as part of his overall sentence was actually the result of an agreed upon judgement stemming from a civil " market manipulation case " initiated by the SEC and settled back in '08. This resulted from Lindbergs involvement in the initial GBVS scams surrounding Sniffex, National Storm Management and the ORIGIONAL Rudy Beverage Inc. for which the other Tulsa Cartel Members were indicted.
Lindbergs 5.5 mil. reportedly will be thrown into the pot to reimburse the investors from those INITIAL scams. His brief imprisonment can be attributed to his ongoing cooperation and testimony against his co-conspirators. The Judge herself described his cooperation as being " extraordinary in its scope and quality ".
Concerning your loss. Your investment was in either RUNU or RUDN which is totally separate (?). To date the only publicized criminal activity resulting in indictments relating to those companies are from the Chad Smanjak case. This suspect fled to his native South Africa and I would suspect that the case is still active. If you were to research the FAIRPLAY INTERNATIONAL announcement you could speculate that perhaps ? it's far from over. Throw in some false announcements and other questionable matters and that could enhance your belief that maybe ??? someday, with some luck, another restitution fund could pop up. Not saying that it will but will go on record as saying it should.
A couple of different acts in the Rudy Beverage Inc. play. Act 1 ( Tulsa ) is pretty much over. Just hope the following acts hit the stage.
Best of luck ?
Just to let everyone know Mark Byron Lindberg received a five and a half month sentence and a 5.5 million $ forfiture. He's in Texas doing his time and will be released in mid-December.
Better than nothing I guess ?
FYI- a fellow poster ( Chas'n the bull ) over on the old RAGINGBULL message board for GBVS seems to have a gut feeling that GBVS just might be near to a buy-out or perhaps merger.
He's claiming that Knight has been accumulating shares all week and that everyone should watch for news in the next two weeks. ( it would be 10 days now ).
Always the doubting-Thomas my eye gets oranger with his every post.
May just be a " pumpers " false alert. If not maybe things could get interesting for many or even to many ?
Let's watch and see.
Not much if your talking RUNU/RUDN at this point but don't give up hope. The Chad Smanjak indictment concerning the false FAIRPLAY INTERNATIONAL announcement connects to the above. Who knows what a investigation could reveal ?
I'd do a spot check here once a month or so. I'll update best I can or 'till I get sick and tired of dealing with this mess.
Everyone should check out HSPO's chart ( that other little co. with the Tulsa connections ). Could it be a second " tainted birth " ??? not saying it is, but will say it was predicted.
Hope it comes back for its investors. Some really " interesting " movement there the last month.
You and a s--t load more.
Never know what's going to happen though ?
I'd suggest a monthly scan just in case.
Actually I should have said almost as happy.
But I'm not naming names :o) :o) :o) :o).
Bac: how many shares of GVBS do you own or had bought ?
We may need to communicate by E- for your benefit should you so choose.
Glad to see you still monitor. Everybody should do a " Lurk " at minimum once a month case anything developes.
Fantastic that UBL got his " due ".
Now the only thing that will make me happier is if they get ????.
OOPS, forgot to say please :o) seriously I think it would be to your benefit. Maybe not by much but maybe a little.
MATT: need you to send me an E-.
Back in the land of cold and a reliable pc.
Sadly NO. Some interest was generated two years ago with past investors trying to coordinate and effort with even approaching the original bottler. Didn't pan out. I had a go to guy who said to come up with $ 5 mil. and he'd make the connections but not to expect even the same potential.
The timing and team ( sans a few ) were perfect then but couldn't be repeated now. The clean " movers " in the background THEN are now gone.
Was informed that Vegas had a possible end-buyer before the final demise but the big established company looking at them backed out when they looked under the rug. It would have been purchased for a fraction of its earlier potential.
I'm sure your efforts were impressive. Wouldn't expect anything less. Lot'sa efforts made back then that could have collectively taken this project to desired heights and beyond.
Little info. I've been sitting on for a long time now. Wasn't privy to it at the time but had strong suspicions that were later confirmed to be true by many. It was I/I then and only known to a select few but many of the signs were there as things progressed. Kind'a smelled something but couldn't nail it down at the time. " A story stock, one to tell your grand-children about " very close my friend. Know why ? 'cus the plan was to merge Arcadia and it's established lines into RBI. Yep! one big mo'fo operation with some nice connections. That was the reason for the $ 2 mil expansion and the big-ass sign. ARCADIA FARMS - HOME OF RUDY BEVERAGE. Nice 'eh. Just get rid of the aholes Vegas. Just leave them behind and let the industry guys run the show. Do a few public pitches now and then PERIOD and you've got a third. NOPE !!!!
" We shifted our bottling operations from the former " MILK BOTTLER PLANT " to a modern facility more centrally located in Chicago ". Almost choked on my Cheerios when I read that one.
Turns out Chicago got burned too. The Overland boys gave me that one. (good guys).
Few people might be pissed I mentioned the above but fck'm. I owe nobody anything along those lines.
I hit the right 6 numbers and I'll give the beverage a run if I can get the right people in place. Timing is way off but what the hell. You'll be one of the first to know.
Give me a few days Matt. This borrowed lapper sucks. Keeps screwing up. Just about had " War and Peace " matched for volume in composing a reply and got wiped out. Think you'll find it interesting though.
Had a little bite to eat with Carver today in Glendale AZ. Brought back lot's of memories. Going to make next weeks sentencing even more enjoyable. Then comes Reskin and then guess we'll just have to wait and see after that.
James Reskin esq. presentence rescheduled to April. Kind of like rescheduled hearings of this nature.
Could be indicative of a number of things ?
' Least your keeping the Alzheimers at bay.
Wish I was .
But there are some things I'll never forget !