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Aiming,
Don't feel alone in your methodologies. I have done the same over the last three trading days based on the exact same reasoning. The insider buying almost creates a delay to the upside based on unrevealable positive events if recently discovered. If the Dec. 5th seminar offers a new twist to the course ahead, I would then be curious to know how the unscrupulous insider buying, although trite in my mind, would be viewed. I believe too that a bottom has been established, again without further detrimental news. At this point we may be better served in COR than large caps based on the overall state of the market, at least shortterm. May the bio gods begin to shine upon us.
Optimistic view, but I skeptically see it as just the opposite.
How about this scenario...small purchases as bait to create a sense of serentity and hope to investors. I have reentered here with such hopes based on insider buying, possible news at the Dec call, or maybe I'm just bottom fishing in hopes of averaging down. In any regard, I see the insider market purchases as niblets compared to the money one would hope an insider would contribute as a sign of strength.
Most of their options will remain unretrievable shortterm, with the exception of Tran's(by the way I still his presence as a good sign). Even if the SP goes up a dollar from its current point their profits would amount to peanuts in comparison to their salaries.
Heck, when I wrote software in my 20's the company I worked for contributed more to my 401K.
The 30-50K purchases in my mind are certainly not going to make or break any recent buyers regardless of COR's outcome.
Unless of course there is a ceiling as to the number of shares an insider may purchase, I see this as merely good faith purchases rather than huge hopes of profits, their options would take care of that.
I hold just under 200K shares now and am serioulsy uneasy. The cash flow of this company will ultimately determine my opportunity to get out above water. Neuro has described in detail many unobvious to me cash achieving scenarios. I am therefore in a wait and see state of mind.
You have to admit that an insider making six figures willing to invest 15K-50K in a company that has been rewarding him handsomely through a generous salary is somewhat glorific.
As far as extra X-mas cash, highly unlikely. Even if good news were to come by years end, their recent purchases then would be compromised had any of those purchases been in reflection of such news.
Until I hear the Dec. call and hear some positive remarks relating to compound advancement I will be wondering where the money will be coming from late next year. I don't claim to fully understand the science, I leave that to the qualified others, I do know that we will only improve here with positive news of substance. I am a half-empty kind of guy so don't let me drain the happy gas from your ballon. I truly hope my negative attitude is proved remarkably wrong.
Touche. We are all in this for the same reasons. I have actually followed COR since '96 and have also made money on it many years ago. I make thorough controlled, informed, educated business decisions and try to do the same with my investments, hence the frustration. As I recently mentioned I am on the edge of my chair waiting for, if and when Stoll chooses, the inactivation reveal. I am adding to my position as well and wish all here well. Your envious position more often than not gives you an optomistic rather than pesimistic view of our current situation...1/2 empty vs 1/2 full. I will more patiently look forward to next years game plan. I doubt we shall see .30 but I am a buyer again in the mid.40's. Good luck.
>>At these prices it might not take much to get cortex moving, and then investors will think, man I should have gotten more of it back when it was.....<<
What does that mean? Didn't you offer the same cheer at .70?
It would just be nice to see you to offer some technical or scientific analysis as a basis for your reasoning.
Your comparison to ENCY offers the same credibility as a follower that jumps off a bridge because the guy in front of him did.
I seek answers due to a 80% SP deflation. You cheerlead with no basis. Come on now. You speak as if you are tempting a six year old with a cookie.
I believe in the science going forward if indeed there were no true misgivings with regards to the inactivation.
I do believe in the insider buying theory, although it does seem a bit trite.
You believe in repeat historical charts and how one might compare our chart to ENCY.
I don't need my hand held but I sure as heck need better insight than that. I think you can do better.
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
John,
Thanks for your efforts. The response characterizes political dodgeball at its best regarding the inactivation...still very little in depth analysis to go on. I will most definately listen in on the Montreal meeting and see if I can get more out of it. It may be the big reveal we have all been waiting for.
You do have to like his optimism and willingness to respond to their options going forward, however, I have heard it all before. It appears in his mind that they will have future successes in ADHD, which may be unrealistic, unless of course a great deal had been learned and a far better understanding of the process was revealed for their next go around. Other avenues do sound promising however if you have strong belief in Stoll's word.
I was going to wait a few more weeks to average down. I think the time may be now if we are to hear strong concepts on Dec. 5th. As they say in poker, I will soon be all in. Thanks again.
Blade,
I can sink my teeth into that offering. It is plausible. I still wonder as to the lack of disclosure by Stoll pertaining to your scenario, although when in mediation of sorts one may not be fully able to do so, which does create this window of opportunity to speculate. Maybe it is not acceptable in the bio-arena to provide publicly a statement offering your disapproval of the FDA and its processes of incompitence after it has all but destroyed your company but when such a desicion, being the inactivation, has been made that has grossly affects your company, the stock price, and its investors, one would certainly by now expect more forthcoming detailed information from their CEO.
I will go back to being the anxious arm chair cor investor and wait for this thing to play out. Some have a better understanding of the science and opportunities through insight and knowledge to predict the future of COR and its compound progression. Many of the wise have been extremely helpful but ultimately off course with their predictions. I am just trying to aquire as much technical information as my brain can handle without beating this poor horse to death. Your thoughts are appreciated.
Scstocks,
Good morning. I was in Vegas all weekend and lost a considerable amount of money but had great fun in doing so, unlike my COR venture. Again, risk is not an issue with me.
Whether you are in the food business or bio tech, inconsistencies in managament and in the fundamental operations of which allow you to survive, again no matter what industry you choose to operate, should be scrutinized. My employees and customers would expect better of me if I were to say one thing and offer another and I am not a publicly traded company for which I have to answer to investors.
Many here are offering similar concern as I, including faithful COR longs. These questions are obvious and should be expected to be answered. Maybe they will in time, but as for now many who lost a great deal will continue to question the cheif and speculate as to why we are where we are. I, like many others do not have the luxury of being in a price point nirvana such as yourself with hopes of big gains. Many of us just hope to retreive losses so we may move on.
Technical analysis of repeat chart patterns do not do it for me, but answers to questions that have indeed put us at these levels do.
Take care as well. I will sit much easier when value is returned to an obviously undervalued play such as COR, at least in the minds of some. When and if you are right I shall be the first to offer my apologies for cynicism. If you are wrong let us know that we should not have expected answers.
Mostly by myself and a few unsettled others.
The logic behind the distrust is that even the simplest of outsiders can view an inconsistency as pertinent to the value by which one will put on their CEO.
Neuro offers tremendous insight in this field but maybe puts just a bit to much good faith in human nature.
I do not know Stoll. I am distrusting by nature. One can only cast judgment based on the results of one's actions.
Aiming, a consistent Stoll praiser, too searches for the answers pertaining to the simplest of comments. Stoll could obliterate all speculation by stating the exact reasons for the IND inactivation.
Point blank, what did the FDA tell you, not the CC crap but the true behind the scenes nuts and bolts of it all?
Point blank, why did you feel it was necessary to inactivate the compound?
Point blank, why not wait for the process to play out and reveal the hard reasons for rejection?
Point blank, how does an investor in your company have more insight as to the workings of the letter than you yourself, sir?
Neuro, you may be right by stating the compound does still stand a chance for ADHD, that COR is in limbo discussing further options to proceed with ADHD advancment hence the letter delay, that Stoll truly believes a letter is on its way once a conclusion is reached, that the financing was not a hedge to an obivious CX717 outcome, and that it is in the best interest to not know the reasons for guidence to initiate the inactivation.
I, as an investor however, do want to know the exact reasons in more specific detail. That is all...so as an investor I may draw a more logical conclusion to the life expectancy of this company.
There are no insults here, just concerns with regards to remarks made to several redundant posters regarding distrust. I think emenem offers valid cynicism. I know you are sick of defending the actions of Stoll and COR, but the SP does speak volumes. R&R played their role in this but the street certainly has little faith in COR's platform or financial future as well, hence the ever so apparent faultering SP.
I guess I don't understand why Stoll does not come out and state just that.
This is my interpretation of "Not ready for prime time". We have spent a lot of time and money progressing to this stage of the game. It is not, I repeat not, all for naught. We have gathered priceless data and experience and have chosen a more lucrative and immediate path with our drug and do still hold hopes of one day introducing CX-717 into the ADHD market. Because of uncertainty in the ADHD arena we have chosen to inactivate our IND for ADHD at this time and pursue more aggresively the indication holding recent positive findings for RD.
Maybe I am an idiot, but I did not get that out of Stoll's conference call.
I so badly want to invest more money into this company by year's end, but I need to far better understand the reasons for which we are where we are in hopes to not repeat this monumental investment debacle with regards to my finacial future.
Neuro,
>> Tell the FDA to treat it as an active application, which digs the FDA into an immovable position in rejecting it (see Dew Diligence's reference to "cement"; 2) Withdraw the application, which would mean starting all over again if they achieved anything with behind the scenes negotiation; 3) Inactivate it, which leaves it in limbo, which may the best option they had at the time--IMHO was the best option.<<
I appreciate your response. I am far from convinced, being that occurances of flat out rejection are rare, that putting the application in limbo was the best solution to an unknown problem. How can you be sure that the FDA would have drawn the line in the sand with regards to CX717 if rejections are indeed that rare? Why not let the process play out its course and receive findings from the FDA and proceed from there? What would that hurt at this point? The damage, as a shareholder, had been done.
I do not, nor will I ever, claim to understand the full and detailed process of which drugs are advanced to market, I am, as a shareholder, trying to understand the actions and reasons of our chiefs decisions. Thanks in advance, I have to get to get back to work.
Due to the fact that we are at .48 with an extremely valuable IP, at least in the minds of many on this board. That in itself raises suspicion. That is all.
I just can't get past the fact that you pull the application for your lead compound if you truly believe it is flawless regardless of what the FDA suggests. This creates more suspicion.
New indications arrive near the ADHD "inactivation" creating more suspicion.
I understand the bio areana is filled with trials and errors, I would just like to know what the errors entail so I may have the opportunity to make a more intelligent investment decision going forward. If I no longer can trust our chief I will most definately move on.
This board has been over this time and time again and I am sure to hear the same arguments so I will just shut up.
Suggested in the sense that there was no chance for approval via in-house politics or suggested in the sense that we have found xyz and you may want to reconsider your application and further examine your compound. If it is the latter then again we as shareholders deserve to know the conversation in its entirety. I know the conference call explained the phone call but based on the FDA's response to "inactivation" it would appear more information would have been exchanged.
I am done with what could have, should have, been done by Stoll and will concentrate on the future, it just appears, again in my mind, that our chief knew he made a mistake and is unwilling to admit fault or reason.
>>This whole thing stinks. Stoll's flop in response to the FDA's phonecall can be understood as an easy way to completely bury any problems with CX-717 that might not have been consistent with the upbeat comments made by Stoll leading up to the IND.<<
I've been saying that since the "rejection", no I mean "inactivation". That response from the FDA acknowledges my fears. It appears that Stoll is keeping something from shareholders and knew all along the reason he inactivated the application. There is nor ever will be a letter.
Neuro, you have to admit that seems odd that Stoll would play it that way. Why not be more forthcoming with shareholders and explain why the application was "inactivated" by him at that critical point in the process.
I still feel opportunistic going forward, however the trust factor in Stoll certainly has to be raised...again.
That is how I interpreted "inactivated" as well, Stoll's choice, which is why I put into question his integrity. You don't pull your application if you whole heartedly believed in the success of the "clean" compound, unless of course the FDA gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. I'm not going to go there anymore however. I am trying to focus on the future.
If a stipulation in trial was presented to COR via the FDA it cetainly would breath new life into CX717 for ADHD as well as have an immediate effect on the SP. I doubt that is even a remote possibility however, but the lack of a reason or formal letter has always been on my mind. Neuro again is probably your best souce for a realistic answer here.
O.T.
JD, I still think you are in good shape in MTW, my opinion of course. Manitowoc is a regional play for me. I do recall a recent article and local news segment stating they were in the process of a hire back to satisfy growth due to recent aquired contracts. If I have time, I will see if I can find the article. They certainly, as you have said, are not tied to the housing bust. There has been a slight infrastructure collapse however that I do feel has anchored their shortterm SP, creating a good entry point. I see MTW as a 2-3 year growth play.
The one thing I can thank Cramer for was his suggestion to look into small regional publications. I have found a few local winners that way. As far as his SEARS call, you are right in the sense that there certainly appeared to be an agenda there. I believe, although he states otherwise, that he does throw his hedgy, and CEO friends a bone on many an occasion. I've nick named him, "Jimmy the Greek of the Street". His lock of the year will drive the price/line up short term but rarely do you get to the window to cash in your ticket. My lock of the day today is the Pack -6. Good luck with all of your future gambles including COR.
O.T. I think a fairly large portion of Mr. Cramer's viewing population have lost respect for him.
I used to TIVO Mad Money and watch it religously after work, ussually around 2am and often to the dismay of my girlfriend. For me, he was entertaining and appeared to, in his earlier days, offer valid insights and guidence. As of late however, he appears to be more of a company clown than a respected CNBC analyst.
He certainly has brought down many a sheeple investor on his spec plays, like LVLT, which I've held. I do still hold NYX and had doubled down on DIVX of late which hooked an upside surprise last week. He seems to change his sentiment far to often to be a considered a valid source of guidence, at least to me. I too did loose money on several of his calls and now run to check my investment portfolio every time I here a baby cry.
If you are cash heavy I think there are soon to be many great values in this market. I unfortunately am not, mostly due to my COR debacle, but hope to be soon. If all goes well, I am going to reposition myself in many of my once held securites. One of my favorites is MTW. I like C, FFIV, and LVS at these surpressed levels as well, all my opinion of coarse. Looking forward to a far better '08.
SCSTOCKS,
Hello and goodnight.
Your optimism is unprecendented which is certainly good for this board. You are right on all counts.
The minute I get back to even, if I do, I will be out of securities like COR for life. I am a huge sports gambler and have taken risks my entire life. So the risk factor is not the issue, it is the fact that as an investor of a publicly traded company you have to rely on the words of perfect strangers, make character evaluations, and do your best to read between the lines of overly evasive chiefs. I guess what I am saying is that I ussually make more educated gambles. Ignornace will cost you money and I blame myself for not knowing more about this company, the process of its progression of compounds and the field on which it plays, the inept FDA and its inability to pass perfectly feasible drugs through an obviously bias and corrupt system, taking the words of others as a given, and my inability to walk away when obvious situations presented themselves. Therefore, I am stuck and disgusted and will play the devil's advocate at times in hopes of creating a better understanding.
My figurative "rest of the world" included the likes of Big Pharma, the FDA, analysts, market makers, value investors, finacial advisors, i.e. anyone who would and could have an influence on COR's current SP. I do agree with you that two of those entities did everything they could to remove any remaining value from COR and it's SP, that being the FDA and R&R. So again here we are. I look forward positive events, market exposure, and a certain SP rebound...anxious optimism.
Neuro,
I fully believe in your ability to analyze our current situations, it is truly one of the reasons that I am here. I just have such a hard time believeing that we, being this board, are collectively on an island of intellects while the rest of the world is full of fools. All in relation to COR's true value. Thanks again for your expertise. Good night.
ASU,
I relentlessly beat my self up for this endeavor and have mood swings regarding the day to day price flux.
I am going into my busy season at my restaurants, xmas parties, and plan on putting away a fairly large amount of cash. Can you believe today I was pondering the thoughts of picking up a couple hundred thousand more shares on the cheap after the holidays, I then thought I must be absolutley crazy to be even considering this. But what if all the possiblities surface and COR's fate does a 180, that would be it...my 12 hour days, 6-7 days a week would be over. What a dream.
Reality hits the moment I view my on-line account balances. I believe there are many reasons to stay but many as well to leave, it is tough. I've tried to avoid the board and my accounts and focus on the far more important things in my life but like an addict am continuously pulled in for my daily fix.
Anyway, it's been a long day, have a good night.
Scstocks,
I am not a COR basher, I just am not going to go off the belief that, because COR was here before and bounced dramatically back, that it is sure to repeat. If I felt as confident as you as to the future of COR I would most certainly buy another 100K shares to average down. There is just no proof of history repeating itself here. As I said within several posts, I expected this deterioration. You on the other hand called new lows several times. You have no real technical reasoning for your calls. You are indeed one of the lucky ones that are not severly underwater, I am just having a hard time jumping on your wagon. I am looking still for answers in hopes to analyze a projection, that is all. For all our sakes I hope you are right...certainly freto was not and as I said he is gone.
Neuro,
I know I am not trying to go there. I was just saying, to eliminate all of this speculation, it would be nice to know the true reason for the rejection. I know we may never know but it certainly would be nice.
By the way, how do you feel about the current SP? Do you truly believe a .50 stock can hold so much value without the street seeing that value as well? Surely someone other than this board must see the possibilities. I'm buckeled in for the long haul but struggle daily with the feelings of idiocracy and disbelief for beeing in a position such as this without any real assurance as to our future.
Aiming,
I'm past the whole issue, but I am just saying that if Stoll had been given a reason from the FDA on Oct 11th then why has he not been more forthcoming regarding the reasoning?
If he didn't withdraw the IND then he most certainly, as you have said, asked and received a reasonable response via phone or whatever to justify the rejection. I doubt the FDA said "your IND was not accepted, we will send you a letter as to why", and Stoll said "ok thanks it was worth a try".
I am certainly not trying to rehash all this, it would just be nice to know the exact reason as to our current situation. If Stoll was so eager to move on then it just seems he knew the possiblity was there for FDA rejection due to an artifact or whatever. That indicates dishonest behavior for he did exclaim at the CC to inform the post mortem conclusion that the compound was clean and there should be no problems that he had foreseen to aquire FDA approval.
I agree there is no point disputing the decision but it certainly would be nice to know why the decision was made.
Was CX717 tainted?
Why did Stoll pull the IND app without a reason or letter from the FDA?
If Stoll did indeed pull the IND without reason then that must make you believe that Stoll did indeed know something was wrong with the compound and did indeed lie to investors.
If he did indeed lie to investors then I, as well as the rest of us, are probably f*****. The future would look very bleak. Good night all.
ASU, we might be better served to bet on the PATS the remainder of the year. If they go to the big show I'm down for 50K.
Yeah, but don't you wish you had some now. There are sure to be several real values presenting themselves. If COR would have gotten the approval this would have been the moment I would have been waiting for to move the COR funds back into the market. IFs and BUTS....
Cor, the new safe haven for your hard earned dollar.
I was tempted to join John yesterday and pull the sell trigger, with the hopes of grabbing my shares back at a discounted rate. I've been thinking about this for 3 weeks but was just to scared to miss out on an unforeseeable event within the conference call. I thought maybe too, that the NG article would bring some new interest to COR, increasing the SP. Now that the CC has passed and the article is in full circulation the inevitable is occurring. I sure hope Roger has his act together.
Something stupid would be to sell when I should be buying or buying when I should be selling. One recent oppotunity missed. I might just get sick of seeing my ridiculously red investment pie and attempt to grab a quick 5-10% of my COR funds in another security...hence probably missing an unprecedented, unanticipated, SP elevating COR event. That would be my luck. It's like a putting a cigarette in the mouth of someone that's just quit smoking, it would feel great for about 30 seconds but would make you sick after the short pleasure has passed. See you next year.
Agreed, I didn't think we would depreciate quite this quickly. Seems a bit manipulated. There would be no reason for this sell-off with a spike in volume. It certainly would have been nice to sustain higher levels going in to some news but here we go. These situations will definately put doubt in one's head. This is going to be a long 4 months. I am tempted to turn off my computer until Feb. '08 just so I don't do anything stupid.
O.T.
ASU,
Well when the buyout hits the presses I will disclose my exact location and the Cristal will be on me. As for now I am in the midwest, my pride n joy is a turn of the century old english brothel that I renovated into a steak and seafood joint. I also am attempting to press forward with a franchise idea involving upscale Southwestern food currently available in one of my other restaurants. I would not say it is Bobby Flay in caliber but we are well on our way. I have a small mexican oriented place as well. South of the border food being my weakness, the spicier the better.
But nothing beats a nice bottle of wine and a great steak at "Nine" steakhouse. When I am in Vegas that's were you'll find me.
Let's hope our celebration starts before my doctor tells me I can no longer eat read meat!
The last year or so is the key, that is an FDA climate change and it was certainly too late to redirect efforts at that time. The stake was already all in. DD creates your belief in this company. I still believe, although am much more apprehensive. I too wish Stoll would have been more apologetic and forthcoming, that was not the case. So you can chose to move on, or debate the facts and scientic data, in hopes of retrieving your losses.
By the way, you can't insult me, I own several restaurants, so feel free to give me your best Chef Ramsey impersonation.
Neuro could only come up with 2 flat out rejections that may have been similar to CX-717 rejection. I do not have access or the time to retrieve that data, so I am going on his word. You continue to rehash all of this. I agree with you in the sense that pursuing ADHD in the current FDA environment(hindsight) was a substantial risk but what else was Stoll to do with the positive results. He paved an unfamiliar road, learned a valuable lesson at his and our cost, and will concentrate on new and hopefully more fruitful efforts. I am just asking you to focus on the present and offer posts of value rather than wreckless rants. Losing money sucks...you can learn from data presented here and hope to recoup your losses by timing new binary events or pout in the corner and sling poop like a mindless monkey. The choice is yours.
Mouse, think logically, the decision was unprecedented and unforeseeable. Let it go. Try to analyze future prospects with an open mind.
Oh no you didn't just say that.
Your quarters on the dollar do still have value, pennies not so much, at least in my mind. I did, 3 weeks ago, think of doing the exact same thing as you today, but with neuro's background and the valued input of others from this board, I felt again, as the rest of the beaten and battered here, that the reward far outweighed the risk. Hopefully you will rejoin us here 6 months from now with greener pastures ahead. I doubt many of will have gone. Good luck again.
There sure to seems to be alot of people in the exact same boat here with the exception of "scstocks". That scares me, for the hope might far outweigh the common sense.
John, you are right in the sense that one, being a wise investor, would not enter here. There are far to many opportunities in the market that would take precedence over COR. Shortterm SP appreciation is fairly obvious but to pull that trigger and realize such a great loss not only in cash but in hope takes far greater strength than I, or probably several here, can muster. I've been with several companies during the dot.com era that did go belly-up. I could have sold out for pennies on the dollar during their obvious demise. It almost felt better to go down with the ship than to take the meager value of the paper. Good luck to you. I wish I had your strength. Rebuilding a portfolio sucks, which is what I will have to do if COR cannot make headway over the next 12 months.
If animal study was their primary focus, I would say great, but right now Stoll has way to much on his plate/irons in the fire to be going down that road...he needs to be aggressive and stay focused. Someday, someway, that apparently huge cash market may opens its doors to COR but as of right now it's another pipe dream and time to make something of recent misgivings and results of many years and millions of dollars worth of studies. As Elvis so eliquently put it, it's now or never baby.
Asu,
With your stake in this company I would doubt anyone has you on ignore. I, like they, are going to want to know when you are about to dump your huge alotment of shares. I doubt you will be able to move them all at once, but if so, that activity would certainly suppress the shortterm SP unless, at the time, there was huge market buying pressure do to an overly positive milestone. Do me the favor and let me know when you are about to get out so I can put my sell order in first.
But seriously, patience is now our only option. I still believe we will deteriorate from here but there is no way I am willing to take a chance on a trade right now. I traded out of several quality positions to be here on the hopes of an early retirement. I may now be working 10 years longer, but that's risk taking. Since the anomosity has passed, one must make logical and informed decisions...even though I once felt misguided here, I do think this board offers us the best opportunity to do just that.
As I said, Frito and the like, when not sparred with, tend to move on when . Certainly the longs occupy this board and other like frito typically get bored with the rhetoric.
As far as those like naked, I think he feels like a spurned lover. His emotions are clouding his judgement of COR...a scam with the whole board and FDA in on it. Now is the time to make rational decisions and comments, naked I am talking to you, contributing and asking logical questions in hopes of creating an investment strategy to deal with your severely underwater shares of COR. You, as I am, should be past the bitter stage by now...offering misguided and unintelligible rants do nothing help this board which is why so many shun you.
Wow, my little paste sure stirred the odors from the bottom of the Yahoo cesspool. Sorry about that gang. I was attempting to incite a point of view of things I am unfamiliar from qualified individuals from this board. A paranoid attempt to ease my nerves. Neuro answered them just fine.
There certainly was no need to offer Naked some viagra....he's had a hard-** for Stoll for months. Naked, try not to include me in on your posse of antagonizers, I'm not with you on the whole scam/conspiracy nonsense.
True. And that is why I brought it over, to allow Neuro and others to maybe discredit or validate some of the information within.
Aiming,
I agree unfounded posts such as naked's are generally to be disregarded. This post, although seemingly personal, did also seem intellectually composed insighting specific examples, regulatory issues, and scientific data. Therefore, spiking my interest just a bit.
I rarely dwell into the depths of the YAHOO boards, I just happen to be visiting another board and thought I would check out good ole COR.