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Thank you for actually talking to me.
Hubby is pretty much done with the dits and dots on the screen (can you tell he is a quarter master). I will be for a few weeks after I wrap things up here. I came back to get the message from Tower, so I could privately respond to her (please check your e-mail Tower. If Meme could respond to me off board, I would appreciate it. Not sure when I will get back here).
He not only saw the rant, I emailed it to him when he was away. Made him laugh uproariously. We even talked about it on the phone. If you think that is bitchy, you should see what I did to the Declaration of Independence. Even he couldn't stomach it, so I didn't post it.
But none of that is important. Thank you for talking with me like a human being, not at me or lecturing me. Thank you for sharing your feelings. I am sorry to hear about your wife. I can imagine that is rather difficult. It is good to learn independence. After that, true interdependence becomes possible and it is incredibly rewarding. We probably just got on each other's last nerves. I tend to do that to people. Apology accepted.
Don't worry about running on. Like I am ever brief.
Luna
Did I leave anyone out?
Cap: Stands for pretty much everything I think is wrong in the world. It isn't about ideology or not getting along with people who are different. My best friends are Jewish, I married a Roman Catholic, My best net buddies are Gnostic, Evangelical and Essene Christian. In high school I dated primarily Alex P. Keaton types.
Around here, the SAHMs are all evangelical. It isn't that I won't associate with them, but that they are cliquish. They look to see what you are wearing around your neck before they talk to you. I wear a Celtic Knot. When Hubby is home, I go to my book club meetings and craft classes at night. I don't have the money for a babysitter.
(speaking of book club, are we still going to do that Meme?)
Spall: Pretty much ditto
Indy: Discussed in letter to Meme. As for what Hubby has done in far away places, don't hold your breath. One of the reasons I fell in love with him is he doesn't kiss and tell (told ya we were opposites). When all his friends in college wanted to know how it went with "that Hopkins chick" he wouldn't tell. He doesn't tell locker room stories, even on the ship.
Meghan: Said over at PIMB that I cannot decide if she is growing on me or not and she said the same. Have to see where that one goes.
Sassy: Not sure where all the anger comes from there. Not enough data to make any sort of assessment. Just going to ignore it though.
He that shall remain nameless: You picked the wrong chica to mess with. I believe that I said all that I needed to in that last e-mail. You are nothing more to me now than a humorous story that I told Hubby.
No one "just" doesn't like someone and has this strong a reaction. Typically it is a case of projection and/or territorialism (is that a word). When I find myself projecting, I like to use that opportunity to learn about myself. I learned that I have no rights to my ideas or even my self once I put them out there. I shouldn't blow up at people just because they mischaracterize me. I have to accept my lack of control over what others perception of my and my ideas are. I can do that, really I can. At least I'll try real hard. You'll have to pardon me if I stumble sometimes. Thanks for any part you played (even by being catty) in helping me see this.
So if my territory shrinks to just my own head, does that make me an omega female?
Luna
PS: I won't be on-line until after Easter. If you want to reach me, Indy and 8th have my e-mail addresses.
Tower,
Ok chica, knock it off. This isn?t about you not liking me or what a manipulative bitch I am. This is about your efforts to change me not working. The chain of events here is fascinating. Briefly put (as if I know what brief is):
1. Most of you see parts of me you like and other parts that drove you nuts
(if you didn?t, you wouldn?t have bothered. As Indy said, I am the most talked about topic on 3 boards. Even more than Neuro and Righton)
2. You make efforts to change the parts that you don?t like
3. Those efforts fail
4. You vent
5. Some of you get nasty.
I figured your email was about a certain someone, not more general. At the time that was my focus, so that was my perception. My email to you was about that particular relationship. Your words did have an impact. If you want, you can see the email I sent him before and after that to compare the tones.
Why is saying that I graduated from Johns Hopkins arrogant? I did. If I said I got my BS from University of Maryland, is that arrogant? Hopkins is just another school, the one I happened to go to. If I wanted to put on airs, I would have said that I was working on my Masters as Harvard or Hopkins. Why a top school for BA and not for Masters? Everyone knows that your Masters is more important. Those are the schools I went to. No big deal to me.
I wouldn?t change, so you had a choice, either you could admit to yourself that this lack of control over me drove you nuts (it is called being a Alpha Female) or you could trash me. The first takes real courage and honesty. It is one thing to vent, but everyone acts like this was ok. Everyone is entitled to your feelings, but has anyone asked themselves why they had to vent over me?
Rather than see your role in this, you turned me into this evil hideous creature. You went beyond venting. I became this manipulative bitch. I guess that is how you could dismiss the good parts you saw earlier. They weren?t real. They were a facade I put on to lure people in. Your attempt to change me didn?t work not because you have no power over me, but because there are no good parts.
You talk about confidentiality, but you have no problem discussing what I wrote you here. You say that you aren?t 2 faced, but you try to mother hen me (your words) and then trash me behind my back. Meme wasn?t quite so drastic and stopped at #4. You put forth the most effort, so your reaction was the most extreme.
You played your role in all this perfectly. A certain someone know you would attack me if I showed up. You have too much invested not to. My regret in all of this is that over at PIMB I sunk to that level. Goes back to what I said to WEAC about territory. I got pissed, not because anything you said was remotely accurate, but because how much you had twisted me.
You have a choice. You can grow the fuck up and realize we were both played, but played so poorly that we can discover this, and remember that I am not some evil wench, but this human being that you once thought enough of to try and change or you can continue to be whatever you are being and mischaracterize me. This alpha female is learning that her territory is smaller and smaller, so I no longer need to engage you.
Twist away if you must.
Luna
The account I have doesn't have the feature. I am not sure if the account was set up right or not, but that is what is going on. Maybe Matt can figure it out. I am not going to pay to talk to people. If you don't want to see the soap opera, don't read what I write. It really isn't the difficult.
Luna
So to answer your questions. I know they were asked to Hubby, but maybe my perspective may help.
Why does your wife wish to associate with such immature and childish people such as us?
Because alpha females can sink this low sometimes, but as catty as they can be, they can also be just as nice and loyal. Do I want to hang with everyone? No. If I have to like everyone, then no I don?t want to be here. Rather than sink to their level, though, I am just going to ignore them in the future. I am better than that <G>
Thing is, I am a package deal. You don?t get line item veto on me. People don?t work that way. If you are too immature to accept and deal with that, then no I don?t want to be here. I think that you are better than that though. I come on the net to play also, not to be changed. I noticed that your frustration comes from not being able to change me. How arrogant is that? Who are you to determine that *I* should be different? It is sort of like being intolerant against intolerance.
You don?t have to like all of me, just accept me as I am. I like Indy, but his Carville routine drives me nuts. It isn?t sexy, even if it can be wise. Maybe one reason I don?t like it is because I don?t put on personnas, but another is because I never could putt that one off no matter how hard I tried.
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do you tell people you've just met what you don't like about them to their faces, even if there are some things you do like about them?
You keep your feelings compartmentalized. I cannot do this. I am mildly dissociative and have spent a great deal of time and effort reintegrating myself. That is what makes me so unique and attractive. 2 Faced might have been a bit strong, at least in your case. Sometimes it is hard for me to remember how ?normal? people are. And let?s not get into the ?I think I am better than anyone else? crap. Different? yes. Who here is going to argue with that? Different does not equal better, at least in my book.
You kept your feelings compartmentalized because you liked parts of me. Do you want to throw that away because someone tried to pit us against each other? That was the impression I got from your first post to me. It went from being frustrated because you couldn?t get through to me, to tossing the whole package away. Just because I saw your frustration and that you thought there were bad parts, didn?t mean that I wanted to give up. I wouldn?t have come here if I felt that way.
So do you still feel that way? Are there still some thing that you do like about me? Like I said, you don?t have to like all of me, though as you understand me better, you may change your perception about those parts (I operate under vastly different paradigms than anyone I have ever met). Just accept me as I am. Tell me when you think I am being an ass, no more nudges and I promise I will evaluate the situation. Don?t expect me to agree with you or change though.
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Do you share confidences with your friends and expect them to remain as such?
I didn?t betray anything. I can understand how you feel that way. At the very least a certain someone said he would give y?all 24 hours. I don?t think a couple was sufficient. We all got sandbagged on this. To be honest, knowing what was said about me, I would have given it a week (but by that point I would have been off line, so someone had to work fast). Even 24 hours was *not* enough time.
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If so, what is your reaction when confidences are betrayed...are you cheerful or angry?
Angry, but I wasn?t the one who did the betraying, so the anger is misplaced when directed at me. At first I didn?t realize what was really going on. I didn?t know that we were all being played. I thought it was just an honest mistake, and as such compassion was what was called for. I don?t know the history that you guys do, so I made my assessment from my limited knowledge.
But if you wanted to get to know someone and were presented an opportunity, even though the circumstances weren?t ideal, what would you do? Would you go into the room say ?Hi. It is all water under the bridge, let?s start from scratch? like I tried to or would you hide? I know you are angry at the situation, but *I* am not the situation. I am a person.
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You won't accomplish much here by attempting to put ANYONE on the defensive.
Was this directed to Hubby or me? If it was me, I was trying to avoid this. I offered one question as a humorous way to clear the air. Then it was all water under the bridge. Y?all say that you don?t even fully know each other after 2 years. A few months is long enough to make an accurate assessment about me? I figured that you just didn?t know me well enough.
There is no need to be defensive with me, even in your opinions about me. You keep talking about being entitled to your private thoughts. What you fail to realize about me is you are entitled to have those thoughts even if they are public. I never said ?How dare you think that way about me.? Such thoughts don?t have to be private with me. I prefer they not be, but I can understand if you want to compartmentalize your feelings about me.
Are we going to let one persons machinations to kill anything nice you thought about me? If you were trying to keep this part ?secret? my guess is that you wanted to give me a chance. Don?t let him take that chance away. The only thing I told Terra is that you bring out the worst in him. I was going to tell him that before I saw anything you wrote. He said he was sorry that you guys hurt me (which he gathered from my interactions over at PIMB) and I said that some nasty things had been said about me, but he hasn?t a clue that you have said anything about him. That is as far as it is going to go.
So the choice is yours. I will be back on-line in a few weeks. I will check in then. If you want to toss everything, I can understand. I hope that you don?t, but I don?t have any control over you.
Luna
Meme - Part 1 Thursday
Dear Meme,
This is by far the longest letter that I wrote. I was thinking of just hitting on the key issue and summarizing, but Sophia has a tendency to come up with something that is more key than the key issue, so I am just going to transcribe. If you manage to weed through all this, thank you. I am going to separate it, since I am not sure if there is a cut off and it sort of is different messages any way.
First - Thursday, my side.
Like I said, it was all this compartmentalization that allowed us to be played, so I am going to put the behind the scenes from my side on the table. This isn?t everything that happened, just how it relates to any possible relationship you and I could have.
I was given the link at around 11:00 Thursday morning. I went over and saw who was here. I thought ?so this is where the cool kids hang out.? I emailed a certain someone that it looked good and I might even be able to give out some of my more personal ideas here based on who I saw.
I was warned that Sassy and Tower has said some catty things, but that didn?t completely surprise me. I had been getting mixed feelings from them for a while. I wouldn?t say that I necessarily liked Sassy, but just tried harder with her. After I took my daughter to the bus, I got a drink and started to read.
Catty doesn?t quite do what was said justice. Big deal. No offense, but no one has seen truly bitchy until they have seen what *I* am capable of. But this isn?t some sort of bitch-off to see who can say the meanest thing, I hope. I?ll admit that the level of vitriol took me aback. I will also admit that what hurt and surprised me the most what you chiming in.
Af first there was no way that I was going to join. It seemed quite obvious that certain people didn?t want me here, even if someone was too blind to see that. Then 3 people, Meghan, Indy and you said pretty much the same thing, if you are going to invite her, remove the messages. The ?damage? had been done, but the sentiment was nice. Maybe I would give it a go.
But I screwed everything up. I didn?t feel right having this knowledge without you knowing. So I told a certain someone to tell you. I also told him to give you my address. I assumed that he had. He is such a manipulator, I now know, that I cannot make any assumptions about his actions. It is only by bringing this out into the open that we can unravel his schemes.
I figured if you were genuinely concerned about my feelings, you would email me privately so we could clean the air. To be honest, I was surprised and a little hurt by what you said, but I annoy a lot of people, even my friends. Such is my paradoxical existence. There seemed to be concern there and hints that you were so frustrated because there were parts of me that you liked.
I figured (I say that a lot don?t I) if I gave you more of a chance to see those parts, which aren?t always given to the ?public? (so maybe I?m not quite as open as a book), something could develop between us. We had been chatting about getting together if Hubby goes to OCS and about art, so maybe something was there.
There is something that you have to realize about me, those things that you dislike or frustrate you are either so intertwined or cause the more interesting things (often they are flip sides of the same coin), they either cannot be separated or doing so will kill the other parts. That is why I recommend talking *to* me and not *about* me. People talk about me typically out of frustration, unless they truly are catty at heart. The only way I know to get over this is to either decide to accept me as I am or to dismiss me. Changing me isn?t an option.
Do I take nudges and hints? Nope. Do I take whacks across the back with a chair? Nope. There is only *one* way that I change, Sophia. You can give me nudges, but then they have to be internalized. Sophia will present them in a way that allows me to more fully express my Self. All profound change comes from me. You cannot expect to say you look this way and have me change immediately. I don?t work that way.
Back to Thursday. I never got the e-mail expected. Not sure if a certain someone ever gave you my address or why you decided to deal with my on-board where things have a tendency to blow up. Since I assumed that you had my address, I decided that it wasn?t about *my* feelings, but rather *your* appearances. That is how it looked to me.
So one of the 3 good guys which were the reason for giving the place a chance got lumped in with the others. Perhaps this was unfair of me. I am sorry I did that. Most of the post addressed to you was more about them. I am still confused though, if it really was about not hurting my feelings, why didn?t you contact me off board? At the very least you knew that 8th had my address. You could have posted either place for me to contact your go.com box, if you have one or sent something to my go.com box.
That is Part 1.
Luna
Dear WEAC,
(Figured I would start with the shortest, easiest to write and most important for me to share letter. If you want to skip to the chase, it is at the end.)
Figured I'd clear the air here while I have the chance. I am going to be off-line for a few weeks. I am sure that it wil come as no surprise to you that I am what is called an Alpha Female. It usually does to me when I am called that. I am by no means submissive and I am rather centered in my Self and hold strong ideas, but I am not territorial. At least, not how most think of territorial.
That is one of the keys to understanding me, what is my territory. For me, it is my ideas and my Self. That is it. When I see either get twisted, I get pissed. You have managed to do both, so I get pissed at you. I isn't about agreeing with me. It is about misrepresenting me. When you say I said or am something I am not, you just found one of my last few buttons.
But once my ideas leave my head or I put myself out there, they are no longer "mine." At least, what I put out there isn't. No one can ever touch what is in my head or my true Self. I don't have to be protective of that because there is no way to hurt them.
I still stand behind my assessment of you. I haven't seen anything to contradict it and even more to support it. You have a narrow perspective. That is my definition of simplistic. It isn't stupid or irrational. I feel like every time I talk, I have to give definitions. I am really begining to hate the imprecision of English.
I don't have a narrow perspective. Comes from being dissociative. That just makes me different, not better than anyone. Terra called me a socialist. To Cali it is an insult. To me no big deal. I *am* a socialist, mostly. I look for people with broader perspectives to debate with, or it is simplistic, one that I haven't come across. John took your and Min's ideas gave a slightly different perspective which caused me to broaden mine. That is what I am looking for, ways to broaden my horizons.
I "dimiss" you as simplistic, not because you don't agree with me, but because debating you offers me nothing (or little enough to justify the effort). I am sure you have lovely, wonderful traits, but over at PI I am looking for debate, mostly.
But that doesn't excuse my behavior in January. Dismissal is one thing, blowing up is another. I am sorry. I could go on about how I was using the net to hide from my bi-polar mother and you just got on my last nerve, but that still does not excuse it.
If you managed to get through all of this, the summary is: I am sorry
(now write down the date, because I rarely say that)
Luna
I didn't leave because my feelings were hurt.
I figured someone would see it that way. It was just the timing. I planned on spending the first few weeks Hubby was home completely off line any way. Then I was going to only be on-line when he is on duty nights. The weather is getting better so I can go back to photography outside during the day. Plus the baby adores the outside. Hubby came home Saturday and I said my good byes Friday night. If I left because my feelings were hurt, I would have left Thursday.
I came on-line last night because Hubby said he had written something and I wanted to see what. If that doesn't explain our relationship, why I love him so much and how perfect we are for each other, nothing I try to say can. He is the yin to my yang (or is it the other way around) in so many ways.
I wasn't sure if I wanted to respond to anything anyone had said, so I didn't say anything last night. Then I couldn't sleep and so I wrote some actual letters to a couple of people, you know the kind with paper and pen. I don't know how to contact most of you and cannot PM either, but I can read them. I don't care who reads any of these. They are written to various individuals, but apply to everyone, sort of. I am pretty much an open book. It is all this confidentiality and compartmentalization that has allowed a certain someone to play us all. Knowledge is power and as a socialist, I am all for a more even distribution of power.
It may take me a while to get these typed up, so please bear with me. If nothing else, they will be amusing.
Luna
Greetings from lunasea's husband. Back from faraway places.
For those of you who dont believe that I am Jean's husband, oh well, not much I can do about that.
Jean keeps me informed of the discussions she has on these and other boards and the friendships she has developed. To those of you who are her friends, I can tell you that she values those relationships. There is very little she is not passionate about (as I'm sure you know). Being the way she is when she makes a connection, she values it.
I am not here to rush to her defense like some sort of knight in shining armor. I've known her for 11 years. She very rarely needs me to do anything like that. She's quite capable of handling herself. But since some comments were inquring about my motivations and understandings of my relationship with my wife, I thought I'd pipe in. I've been at sea for the last few days and was looking for a way to unwind. (For those of you who insist on thinking with other parts of your anatomy than your brain....that way was already covered and she's asleep now)
I have to say I found many of the posts attacking my wife very funny. ....Demented and sad, but funny.
As for requesting long trips, I dont have a whole lot of say in that. If the performance of my duties in the service of my country require me to be away from my family, I deal with that. Jean and I discussed it at length before I joined. The time apart has always made me appreciate and try and make the most out of the time together. One of the thoughts going through my mind whenever I'm in a port call is whether or not the place would be a good location for a long vacation or second honeymoon. So far the front runners are Halifax, Canada and Tallin, Estonia. So since I'm thinking about her while I'm away, I'm obviously not trying to get away from her. We actually both like having some time apart occasionally. We have many interests. Some we share, some we dont. This gives us the chance to be independant, grow and learn and then come back with new ideas and experinces to share. It keeps things fresh.
As for the "open marriage" concept. Yes I am aware it. If I wasnt it wouldn't be open. We also discuss whatever it is we've done. We are totally honest with each other about it. What it boils down to is trust. We have reached a certain level of trust and understanding with one another that if something happens outside the relationship, it is not going to destroy the foundations we've built over the last 11 years.
Finally I have to say that all the venom being spewed out is really childish. I was shocked to learn that many of the people here are over 40. Most of the "conversation" that I've read sounds like the cast of "Saved by the Bell" attempting a Shakesperan tragedy. It's the kind of sophmoric, popular clique melodrama that makes me glad I'm no longer in high school. Of course many of the students I currently teach in the military are recent high school graduates and they aren't even this bad.
Jean seemed to be the popular topic of conversation here before the "dramatic betrayal" of her invite by Dennis (I think that's who it was, I lost my cast list) So do not label this as some attempt by her to get attention. You did that on your own.
Obviously not everyone agrees or likes what she posts. I dont always agree with her myself. She holds very strong and often unorthodox positions. She's unique, one of the many reasons I love her. If you dont agree with her or like her fine, but at least have enough of a sack to be upfront with it. Being nice to her on one board and trashing her on another is the definition of being two faced. Come to think of it, it is also the definition of a 6th grader. To quote George Carlin, the television has (or it did back in the day) two nobs. One changes the channel and the other turns if off. If you dont like what she says you can either respond intellegently or you can choose to ignore it. This endless circle of swipes is just plain stupid.
I will happily converse with anyone who wishes to either respond to this post (although I doubt I will come back here to check much) or feel free to e-mail me at stratnav@yahoo.com. That goes for any of her friends and those who dont like her as well. As for me that's all I have for now. I rarely post on boards and am begining to believe that the internet is the greatest waste of time ever invented. My offer still stands though.
Indy (and anyone who is nosy)
If you are in a humorous mood (or in a bad mood and want a great laugh), check your yahoo mail box. I wasn't sure how to contact you, so that is where I sent it. I hope you don't mind (and even if you do, so what. I am outta here). I wasn't sure how often you checked it. I have mail boxes all over the place that I rarely checked and figured you would want to see this.
Funniest thing is for some reason a few weeks ago, I put all of Dennis' emails in a folder called "The Game." Didn't realize how accurate that was. Guess Sophia knew what was going on way back then. Maybe by the time I get as old as you are (I'm only 30), she might speak up sooner.
Hubby is going to get some major laughs and be rather happy that I am through with the net.
For those nosy bodies here, Indy was the only one remotely close. Tower is so full of shit and frustration that it oozes from her. In order to have "women's intuition" you have to be in touch with that part of yourself. Just being a bitch doesn't make you a woman. I don't know a real woman that hasn't found a soul mate to be with. You cannot fully experience womanhood and the intuition that goes with it without that counterpart. The feminists may lamblast me, but that is my story and I'm sticking to it.
But none of this matters. This comet and her Rodin like tail is moving on to Terra Firma. Not sure where this is, but get a fucking life everyone. 2 years?!?! Come on. Life is too fun. The internet makes an amusing pit stop, but it can never replace actual living.
Luna
Meme, I really don't think that anything you said would be an "education" for him. I think it is pretty clear where you 2 stand with each other. I don't think it would phase him or surprise him and do nothing but further any animosity there is because *I* have seen the real yous.
Nor did your Catholic schoolgirl uniform remarks go unnoticed. Maybe I'm reading into things, but my gut tells me different. I certainly had no intention of getting hostile with you, but I sense someone who wants to lash back out.
What the hell are you talking about? I know why I am paranoid lately, but is it contageous over here? 8th gave me the chance, have I remotely taken it? She said stuff much worse than you. I refuse to engage in that sort of behavior. If that upsets people, oh well. When have I ever done anything because of what people think?
If Dennis wanted us all to get along he would have respected everyone's wishes. You don't force things. Forcing things leads to stupid shit like this.
You mean like the little test y'all gave him? I read the messages. Only one poster actually came out and said Do not invite her. Everyone else said "Well, I don't like her, but do whatever you want." Even that one poster changed her tune. That was bitchier than anything anyone said about me. No one wanted to admit that they were judgemental superficial wenches who only pay lip service to tolerance and understanding, so you wanted Dennis to read between the lines.
Reminds me of what my mother did to my father (why is it always women playing these games). She kept saying that she didn't want a Christmas present. Money was tight and she didn't want my father to worry, or so she said. My father listened to her and got in serious shit. I respect my father for listening to her and I disrespect my mother for the head games.
If you want to hold Dennis accountable rather than see each of your roles in this go ahead. Like I have repeatedly said, this has been educational.
Luna
You mean like giving him the link here?
Why would I do that? He has been my friend for a while now and I talk to him. I sent him the last chapter to my book. I usually talk to him while he is at work and I know that he has been having server trouble with his home computer, so I wasn't sure if it was the same address.
Honestly, with what has happened to Dennis, I wish I had never come here or told him to tell you that I was here. All he wanted was for all his friends to be able to get along. I remember that feeling. I tried it in high school. I wanted my debate friends to get along with my regular school friends. It turned my Sweet 16 Birthday party into one big headache.
I don't want your board to be a big headache for you guys. I thought, like him, that maybe if you gave me a chance we could be friends. I see that I am not going to be given a chance.
Oh well. Like I said, it has been educational
Luna
I thought this was interesting
If you are spending too much time on the internet and are concerned that it is affecting your concentration, you are not alone.
The addictive nature of web browsing can leave you with an attention span of nine seconds, the same as a goldfish.
More at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1834000/1834682.stm
It reminds me of Sesame Street. It was designed to educate children with diminishing attention spans. I wonder if as wonderful as programs like this are, are they contributing to our kids diminishing attention spans and things like Attention Deficit Disorder. Have you watched it lately? It gives me a headache it is so face paced. It isn't even one show any more. It is three put together: Monster Club House, Elmo's World and faster paced Sesame Street.
Do you think that this reduced attention span is hurting us? If it is how do we reverse the trend?
Luna
(and I use this name because I like it better.)
Hi Rogue.
Easiest way to stop talking ABOUT me is to try and talk TO me. Not AT me, not lecture me or try to put me on the couch. Not pity me. Try talking TO me.
If I fascinate so many people, they must see something that makes me worth not writing off completely. I cannot imagine being worth getting anyone upset, let alone supposedly intelligent, well-adjusted adults who have lives.
So here I am. I am willing to completely forget whatever was said about me. Chalk it up to not knowing me well enough. I may come off as arrogant, but once you get to know me, that is going to make you laugh as much as it does me.
Luna
Tower
Hell, he knew everyones position on inviting you here.
And the ONE person who had the courage to say that she didn't want me here, eventually said do what he wanted. People have said that they don't like me, but no one had the courage to say don't invite her. No one was Politically Incorrect enough to say NO, so now YOU get to deal with the consequences of your innaction.
If anything, 3 people said If you are going to invite her, have the posts removed, thus giving their consent. Actually several people said they felt conflicted about me. Maybe Dennis wanted to give those people a chance to get to know me better. Maybe that is why I decided to stick it out.
I gave you your free swing over at PI. I went there and waited for you to have your say.
And please tell me what that would have accomplished?
Frankly, if I let my "real feelings' show anymore than they have already, both you and Dennis would have spontaneously burst into flames at your keyboards.
I think it is you who are arrogant and self-congradulatory. If you think that you can have that much power over another human being, let alone over the net, then you are the one that is not quite in touch with reality. If you truly believe that I am arrogant and oblivious to what others say, how the heck could you make me burst into flames?
Now, you have to ask yourself why Dennis would send you into a potential firestorm?
Like I said, perhaps he wanted to give people a chance to see what I really am. He was one of those people who was trashing me as little as 2 weeks ago and ready to wash his hands of me. He risked a lot by giving me the link. My quick temper and strong reactions are well known. I could have told him to take a flying leap after seeing what he said. I said something to him to change his mind about me. Maybe he wanted to give the people here the same chance.
Now, have I been honest enough for you? Up front enough for you? Will that do it? Let me know.
Say what you want. I am not going to hit back. I don't see any purpose in that. All it would make me is bitter and judgemental. In your own words "Sometimes it is hard to remember the training."
Luna
Does your husband request for long trips away from you?
Honestly, this was only supposed to be for 4 weeks, 2 of which I was at my mother's which is less than a hour away from where he is. The boat is taking a bit longer to commission. Its homeport is going to be our home, and he wouldn't have put in for the assignment if it wasn't. Then they go on small patrols, and he is pretty much home most of the time.
But the assignment is only 3 months anyway, which is why it is called TEMPORARY assignment of duty. After that he is back to teaching for another year. He put in for this to get the 3 months sea time he needs to make chief. He did this rather than have to be away more.
If you want, when he gets back Saturday, you can ask him yourself. I like to watch him laugh.
Luna
8th (and everyone else too)
I prefer to think of myself as open to possibilities. Never had to buy sex. Had guys offer me money, but didn't take it.
Had to admit that this was the funniest thing I read yesterday. It is an old Boy George comment. When repeatedly asked if he was bi-sexual, he always responded that he never had to pay for sex. It is called a joke. It is a play on the word bi = buy. I even wrote the buy out. Guess I am not the only one paranoid, though what is your reason?
Dennis repeatedly asked if anyone had any objections to inviting me here. The only responses were Sassy's half-assed comments and even she ultimately said no problem and Meme, Meghan and Indy's request to remove posts. If you have a problem with my " bilious tripe" then you should have spoken up.
The "problem" is that I have read what you guys said about me. So what? I could have told Dennis not to let you guys know what I had read. I felt like a voyeur yesterday (and everyone knows that I prefer the role of exhibitionist) and didn't feel right about people not knowing. That would have been manipulative and dishonest. I asked him to tell Meme. I would have done so before she posted, but I was still reading all the wonderful things said about me.
I could have avoided everything and just rode off into the sunset, here and over at PI. I could have written everyone off as catty/bitchy wenches who weren't worth my time. I didn't. How many of you could walk into a room knowing the things that were said about me? How many of you could do that without bringing some sort of bazooka?
I could resort to slams, but what purpose would that serve? If people are curious about me, here I am. Ask or slam away. Perhaps since this is more private and everyone else here are "friends", it will be easier to let your real feelings show.
If you are frustrated or angered at my presence, though perhaps you should point some of that back at yourself since you didn't speak up when you had the chance.
Luna
Greetings everyone
And how are we this fine morning (or evening depending on when you read this)?
I always liked this name better. I just figured it would be asking for trouble on a political board.
I know it is going to be rather awkward at first, but if Dennis didn't see something in me, he wouldn't have put me through hell today. Maybe if you give me just the tiniest chance, you may get to see it too.
Since everyone seems so curious about me and just to ease the situation, rather than address the erroneous assesments made here, how about I give everyone one question? I will answer it to the best of my abilities, but I still reserve the right to refuse to answer it.
After that, it is all water under the bridge. You can continue to mischaracterize me and miss out on a pretty terrific (and need I say brave) individual or you can grow the fuck up (can I say that here) and give me a chance.
The choice is yours
Luna