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Bigdogs must be market maker cronies that
think this way.
"people think strong hands holding most of the float is bad.
There is no propaganda involved here. This is for people who are sick and tired of being screwed by shorting."
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It really amazes me how
people think strong hands holding most of the float is bad.
There is no propaganda involved here. This is for people who are sick and tired of being screwed by shorting.
Shorts need the longs shares in order to cover there positions. If we keep those shares off the market this benefits all of us. This is done to help EVERYONE out in the next few months.
Would you rather have big holders sell all there shares in the .0001 - .0004 range the next few weeks so the stock can not move to toward its true worth and let the contracts come to fruition.
This benefits Everyone except the shorts. It really amazes me that people who believe in the future of EFGO and there ability to deliver and want to hold there shares as a strong group going forward for a few months gets criticism.
Market makers hate this type of thing and will have there goonies complaining like crazy because they know it will severely hurt there chances of covering anything that they are short and the volume will dry up on the sell side.
Isnt this what everyone wants so we can let EFGO deliver the goods to get this towards what EFGO thinks its worth. They mention .01 - .02 with the break up of there assets is what they are worth.
Well I believe that also and want to prosper with everyone else.
Just my opinion. Remember those complaining about it have another agenda because this will only help all longs as the number of flippers and daytraders will decrease substantially allowing the good news to get us to higher levels that much easier.
breezin_nyc agree
The only thing about Oct 15 that bothers me is the MM's always have a way out.
Lets hope they get crushed this time.
Then Nov 15 is the Quarterly.
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1 billion shares short: Beginning Oct 15th, trading should get interesting. The question for Esprit ... do you wait until the dust settles or begin making announcements (if avail) and ride the wave?
RESPONSE:1 billion shares short
In addition to the informal survey, we also received some other anecdotal information that corroberates that there is a short position of approximately 1 billion shares. There is no hard data. That’s why the naked shorts can exist in the first place. It is very hard to pin down, if it is done right.In terms of why have we not said anything until now, we just received the survey and other information late last week, and they seem to be consistent.
Got more
at .0002 bashers beware
poiuyt20011 i will wait
Till we get a direction from the company, I also feel if the AQ is done PAVC is worth more that where it is now. Manipulation has hurt the SP along with 144 sellers.
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You are probably correct. However, as with everytime before I think IMO you will be wrong as to which way this moves.
((Now we move))
May I ask an on topic question?
You have been calling for this to move up repeatedly during it's entire freefalling large % drop and have been proven wrong everytime. Why is this time different?
IF this hits sub penny will you still love the company and predict it is going to rise anyday?
Thanks BigDogs
See the share count does help.
Posted by: brian
In reply to: None
Date:10/1/2007 9:03:17 AM
Post #of 67321
TOWN HALL UPDATE! EFGO BELIEVES THERE IS A SHORT AND SAYS SO PUBLICALLY!!
10.01.07Short Selling CalculationPosted in Investor Relations at 12:33 pm by adol77dai51
SHAREHOLDER COMMENTS:
Just an update 72 ihubbers now own approximately 2.7 billion of the float. Thats around 45 percent with just 72 people. (Latest update is 81 shareholders holding 3.155 billion.)
There are around 400 shareholders from the sounds of it. The other 330 people that are shareholders most likely own the other 3.3 billion that is in the float.
What Im trying to get at is the potential short in EFGO is HUGE.
I think between 1-2 billion.
If the majority of this float stays in strong hands for a few months this stock could explode with the shorts covering from great News with regards to China from EFGO.
Also it has been recommended that EFGO pushes hard for outside investments from China and or other large entities to take a position in EFGO. If this was done and announced it would all shareholders and the stock price tremendously along with everyone at the company.
Feel free to forward this to Garr and Michael and everyone else at EFGO.
Its important to know that you have a ton of loyal shareholders that are now pooling together to hold most of the float for the time needed for EFGO to deliver on China.
RESPONSE:
Can you say ‘SHORT SQUEEZE’? We also believe there is a large short position that has not been covered.
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GoVols and
Possible Spin Offs
Possible Dividend
Possible ?
I think that this will be an interesting week, to say the least. We have the following to consider;
Suggested huge short position and possible short squeeze.
News concerning China(IR tells me that there are several differents projects coming down the pipeline).
IFGX getting hits fron China as well.
Possible undisclosed assets coming to light.
Possible new revenue streams being announced.
R/M (which in my opinion is now in the rear view mirror)
Possible restructure of A/S to conform to buyer's format
Now we move
Paivis, Corp. Announces Resignation of Gregory Bauer as Officer and Director of Paivis, Corp. and Subsidiaries; Edwin Kwong Appointed as Interim Successor
via COMTEX
October 1, 2007
ATLANTA, GA, Oct 01, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX News Network) --
Paivis, Corp. ("PAIVIS" or the "Company") (OTCBB: PAVC) today announces that Mr. Gregory Bauer has resigned from the Company as a Director and Officer after mutual agreement with the Board of Directors (the "Board") as part of the Board's strategic initiatives that are expected to build additional shareholder value.
Mr. Bauer will remain with the Company in another capacity. Mr. Edwin Kwong has been appointed to fill the roles vacated by Mr. Bauer on an interim basis, including President, CEO and CFO.
Mr. Kwong has over five years of experience as a public company CFO, and over 10 years of experience as a management consultant to small growing Companies, both public and private. Mr. Kwong previously served as a consultant to Paivis, Corp. and various subsidiaries.
Mr. Bauer, outgoing President and CEO of PAIVIS, commented: "In the best interest of the Company the Board of Directors and I mutually agreed for me to step aside to enable the building of a new management team to take the helm of the Company. I have and will always have an enormous allegiance and respect for this Company, its founders and to our faithful employees and loyal stockholders."
Mr. Kwong, newly appointed Interim President and CEO, commented: "The Board of Directors will continue its plan to build the Company through internal growth and acquisitions and endeavor to build out the long term management team as soon as practicable. I look forward to serving the Company on an interim basis and implementing the next stage of our ongoing plans for debt reduction, growth, earnings and shareholder value."
Cathy Wilson also resigned as Corporate Secretary of the Company. Mr. Kwong will also fill that vacated role on an interim basis. The resignations and appointments were effective September 25, 2007.
About Paivis, Corp.
Paivis, Corp. is a wholesale telecommunications carrier that sells prepaid "point-of-sale activated" and live cards. Paivis generates its revenues through the sale of prepaid calling cards and wireless services, and international wholesale termination. Products are sold throughout many of the country's major retail outlets, including Duane Reade, 7-Eleven, and Chevron.
FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS
The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 (the "PLSLRA") provides a "safe harbor" for forward-looking statements so long as those statements are identified as forward-looking and are accompanied by meaningful cautionary statements identifying important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in such statements.
Statements contained herein that are not based on historical fact, as well as other statements including words such as "anticipate," "believe," "plan," "estimate," "expect," "intend," "will," "could" and other similar expressions, constitute forward-looking statements under the PSLRA. PAIVIS intends that such forward-looking statements be subject to the safe harbor created thereby. Such forward-looking statements are based on current assumptions but involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause PAIVIS actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from current expectations. These risks include economic, competitive, governmental, technological and other factors discussed in PAIVIS annual, quarterly and other periodic public filings on record with the Securities and Exchange Commission which can be viewed free of charge on its website at http://www.sec.gov.
Contacts: Paivis, Corp. Edwin Kwong Interim Chief Executive Officer Phone: 404-601-2885 www.paivis.com
SOURCE: Paivis, Corp.
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Shamantiks on Shorting
Senator Bennett discusses NSShttp://www.senate.gov/~bennett/press/record.cfm?id=279519
Forbes Naked Short Article, read this
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=22652725
Prime Broker’s Defense; The SEC Made Us Do It - July 24, 2007
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=22652874
There is a loophole in the system where MMs can short stocks
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=22541041
Go Panamersa Corp I agree
I think something big is going to happen that will be very positive for PDR Holders and the Foundation.
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I think the new website(s) are being loaded over the weekend and we might see a PR early this week. Interesting that the website has been down for a few days.
BigDogs your right and
Seems to me we are not on an even playing field here.
We post pertinent info on EFGO and it gets deleted.
Is there a conspiracy here against good postings.
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THis is relevant to everyone
and is totally on topic. Everyoone has a vested interest in EFGO and I agree there has got to be better things for them to worry about.
Everyone speak out. There are no violations of doing this and statistics are a key part in everything people do in todays world
Bigdogs MMs goonies LOL
coin that phrase!
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brian
there is no reason for anyone to lie about there positions. No benefit at all to anyone.
Bottom line is the Ihubbers own more than 50 percent and the rest of the shareholders probably hold the rest.
Watch for the MMs goonies and bashers to put a different spin on it but if we all concentrate or not sell for a few months and let these contracts hit the shares will dry up as the good news starts to hit and let EFGO get to true value we all will benefit..
Focus on the big picture and not the whiners. I've talked to plenty of CEOs about the best way to get a good stock going and they all said Strong hands will eventually prevail.
Keep up the good accumulation everyone and lets take all the shares away for any shorts to cover.
Some big money is coming into this next week from what I've hear.
This of course is mainly going to be driven by the Company and its ability to close all these contracts in China and to maximize all of there current revenue streams.
We are the small fish trying to dry the float up and thats the most we could ever do and wait on the news to drive the price
Good who asked you to
Goodbye
Anyone for liars dice ?
Should have a poll as to how old everyone here is... now that would be more interesting to me.....probably lie about that too....hahahahaha....it's ok though....I don't don't believe any of you anyway ...JG :>)
Kwong was associated with
JPHC, will have to wait for more details.
Posted by: soud13In reply to: None Date:9/28/2007 6:18:39 PMPost # of 20884
newshttp://biz.yahoo.com/e/070928/pavc.ob8-k.html
Bigdogs 3.03 billion WOWZERS
Naked Short Selling no doubt, Phanthom Shares.
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Just a fyi now over 3.03 billion taken by shareholders. Thats 50 percent of the float. Now that is just 78 shareholders
What do the other 320 hold. Probably the rest if the 78 shareholders is any indication. Numbers dont lie and this is what happens in the pinkie market by the MMs.
Huge short from the looks of it.
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livinginstyle NSS
I believe there is both Legal and Illegal Shorting going on with EFGO.
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I talked about a big short position long ago. But, they would have covered by now. Short high, cover low. The big volume was shorts covering IMO.
livinginstyle be positive
My man we will make it all of us in EFGO will IMO. There is a huge short position in this stock.
Look at BigDogs tally, amazing how corrupt the US Market is.
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I'm not against you or this company Herb. I guess you could say I am with you and Bigdogs since I am a major long and intend to keep holding.
Homer911 IMO
Some shareholders do not post but read these boards.
IMO some are included in what BigDogs is doing the share count.
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so your implying that all of the shareholders or even the majority of the shareholders are members on these forums? and actually participate in posting here?
livinginstyle IMO
Every positive effort made by a EFGO shareholder to help us as shareholders or the company is IMO Good.
How about joining us in the effort.
BigDogs has posted a very good case on why we should do this.
For me I beleive a NSS Short position exists in EFGO.
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Getting people to hold is a responsibility of the company to convey proof that the company is viable. This company has so many red flags flying over its bow it's silly. They need to show proof. Audited financials ect, would be a good start, no matter what the cost.
Homer911 read
BigDogs posts
Posted by: Bigdogs
In reply to: garde54 who wrote msg# 66656
Date:9/27/2007 3:19:00 PM
Post #of 66719
I've talked to a few people about trying to figure out what a good majority of longs own here and will keep counts to try to keep most longs focused on the next 2-3 month time frame.
One of the reasons to do this is to keep the ones who truly believe in EFGO focused and to try to suck up all the shares and keep them in strong hands.
This was done on a few other stocks I was in and helped everyone remain focused and also helped to keep people motivated to accumulate this float and O/S.
If your not comfortable giving me your counts on the public forum then PM me.
2-3 months is the main target to reach full value in my opinion and seems to be the time frame by EFGO on when everything should be clicking on all cylinders.
I will start with my shares which is 75 million. Once I post the totals and give updates I wont be repeating your share numbers just the total number of shareholders participating and the total number of shares taken.
Thanks
livinginstyle What is your position
I thought you bought in at .0002
something is up
HMMMMMMMMMMMM
Bought more
At .0002 China, Olympics, Shells, RM, Garr paid shares on performance, profitable Quarters and ?
overachiever whats my point?
My point is posters should be careful making accusations with names attached to them, it could turn out to bite them.
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Why? What is the point?
The last Quarterly Filing
Quarterly Report Jun 30, 2007 released Aug 14, 2007
So Sept 30 is the end of the Third Quarter if we follow what transpired above for the last filing then Nov 15 should be the release date.
So I stand corrected.
SEC Prepares to Implement Sarbanes-Oxley Act Requirement for CEO And CFO Certification of SEC Filings
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2002-119
Washington, D.C., Aug 2, 2002 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today provided information about the SEC's plans to implement the provision of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act that requires the CEOs and CFOs of public companies to personally certify that the reports their companies file with the Commission are both accurate and complete.
The new certification requirement, which will become effective by Aug. 29, will apply to quarterly and annual reports of all companies that are required to file periodic reports with the Commission, including foreign issuers. The new requirement essentially replaces the rule proposed by the Commission on June 14.
The new requirement does not affect the Commission's June 27 order that directed the CEOs and CFOs of the 947 largest U.S. publicly traded companies to file sworn statements attesting to the accuracy of their companies' most recent annual and quarterly reports.
The SEC statement can be found at http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/34-46300.htm.
http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2002-119.htm
REED198 I think the rule states
A company has 45 days plus and additional 5 Days extra needed for a filing, this is for a OTC.BB Company.
I am not sure for pink sheets.
payprogone
Scottrade sent me what was required by the company on the Divy a while ago. I went directly to my branch manger and he sent it to Compliance, who resent it to me at my home address stamped.
I had to fight them a bit but they gave me what was required.
I also dropped them and now use bank of America.
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All this continued talk about which broker sent lists or forms to PNMS and which didn't. (I was told mine did) Has anyone one this board accually recieved some notification or form that they have recieved the DIVY in the past 8 months? I have recieved nothing and i still continue to hold a small amount with schwab who by the way said they also sent the NOBO list to PNMS.
pennyholder IMO
first who is your brokerge firm? Some as you know are not to reliable as you can see by reading yesterdays posts.
What if the transfer Agent does not have the certs to mail out?
Time IMO is short, and a decision by you IMO should be made on if want to take that chance or not.
My suggestion is call the IR and ask some Questions. Do not only rely on what we posters state.
As for me all my Certs were sent in awhile back.
I do not trust a lot of the brokerages in the US Market.
Your choice.
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I haven't pulled one cert yet. Still not sure how this is going to work out. I guess I'm waiting for some of those that sold their pdrs to say they got their money. Same thing probably for alot of people here. Thanks for your response to my question as well
Bigdogs I like the way
management has kept us informed as other pink Sheet Companies do not. I also like the fact Garr is paid in shares on his performance, the China Olympics in 2008, the Shells owned by EFGO and the 3rd Quarter is Oct 15th.
I still say a RM and maybe Spin Offs of some sorts are coming.
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Reed
the management has stated to me in emails they think the breakup value of the assets is worth .01 - .02.
Now do the math and if they max out the full value then yes 1.00 could be made into 5.00 to 50.00 or if the full potential hits and the assets are valued like they think they are then 100.00 to 200.00. Stocks eventually get to there true worth. Question is what is what would someone be willing to pay for all the parts.
Also if the stock does do a R/M it could very well do a R/S but when you have some huge assets and revenues that will back the R/S this stock could run huge with the smaller share structure and more institutions and or larger investors who like to invest in stocks that have reduced the stucture.
I see it as a positive only if they Reverse merge and or are bought out.
Thii
A reverse merger is a simplified
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Going public (in any way) is attractive to companies because after going public, the company can use its stock as currency to finance acquisitions and attract quality management; capital is easier to raise as investors now have a clearly defined exit strategy; and insiders can create significant wealth if they perform.
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nyquist IMO it will
Work out and IMO it will be offer another avenue for investors World Wide.
Another reason for the PDR Exchange
The crooked US Market along with the brokerages. Look at the posts here today about the land divy and Brokerages not complying to what you have a right to as their client. The brokerages have destroyed their credibility and they say they are looking out for your best interest.
PNMS saw this corruption along time ago, hence another avenue for investors to take was born The PDR Exchange.
Wait till a lot of other pink sheet companies get tired of the US Market corruption and join the PDR Exchange.
It is about time IMO.
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TDA is no doubt the worst broker. They halt more penny stocks-on-a-run than anyone else, refuse to give out dividends the most... it sure looks like they're involved in a shorting ring. Why else would they specifically halt pennies that are running up? A penny drops 90% in a day, that's fine, buy all you want - but if it's heading up, we feel the need to "protect the investor". Which I take to mean, protecting the investor that is shorting - their MM's and offshore hedge funds, as many have alleged to.
Kinda funny, they're telling the truth, they ARE indeed protecting investors. Just not you!
Unfortunately though, TDA does have the best, leanest, quickest web site for fast trades, they amaze me with their efficiency. They have harnessed the true power of the dark side.
'Cause I left these crooks a while back
Myself and manay others put SEC Complaints against them in regards to PAVC another company they are still messing around with.
I now use https://www.baisidirect.com/index.html
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FYI, I received an "official" letter from TDAT concerning my complaint to the SEC about the DIVY and their unwillingness to certify my ownership of shares per PNMS requests.
They basically said that the request was non standard and that all they were obligated to provide was the NOBO list.
Bottom line is, I guess there is no law requiring them to disclose my ownership of shares other then through the NOBO list.
Needless to say, I no longer use TDAT as a broker. Clearly they could care less about what I want. At least if it means possibly exposing them to perhaps wrong doing. I mean, what's the big deal with certifying shares I owned on a specific date? Doesn't seem they want my business.
OA, can you explain why TDAT is not willing to do something many brokers have done...including Scottrade?
Guess I'm pretty much SOL when it comes to the DIVY.