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That's it....I hate paltalk. I just don't get it. Are we there to wipe Melvin and Vicky's a**. Please tell me, because it sure smells that way. I just never knew how easy it was to control vast amounts of people.
I'll give it a shot here on this board:
Hey everyone! I love all of you! I'm going to make you all very very rich! I'm going to give you billions of dollars! Please wipe my a**, please! No negativity people! It hurts my feelings! Now, please give me money...I care about you. I care so much, especially if you give me money. Please. Thank you.
Yeah, explain please...
Zen does have a point, though. We have a right to stand up for ourselves as investors. If we don't, the company will go on thinking that we're a bunch of sheep, and that we'll support them no matter what. We should tell them that we will hold them accountable, and that they can't continue to pump this BS at us without any substance to back it up with. In short, we need to get tough with this, throw out the fan clubs, grab UC by the nuts*ck, and make him cough up the info.
I'd take bashers any day over pumpers. This is a perfect example of why. At least bashers are aggressive. If I want an army of investors on my side, I want the a** kickers, not the pom pom waving manipulators. I'd rather prove a basher wrong than a pumper wrong. And, I'd rather be wrong and a basher than wrong and a pumper.
It's great to be excited about this company, but don't get excited like it has delivered anything at all to us when, in fact, it hasn't yet delivered a thing. Also, there's a fine line between excitement and a sucker. The dreamers run the risk of presenting the company with an image of the shareholders as suckers. The level headed investors are the ones who help to protect us, and we all have the responsibility to protect ourselves as shareholders. The pumpers are the ones who leave us exposed, more than the bashers. If there are paid bashers, then screw them for trying to screw us. But, voicing legitimate concerns should always be applauded for the reasons I've put forth.
ALL IMHO.
Also, it has been said that Urbans "gesture" to the "needy" is not dilution. Technically, it is not dilution, but practically, it sure as hell is.
Before Urban gives shares away, those shares belong to him. Us shareholders know where those shares are, and we expect Urban to do what is right with them and what is the best for all shareholders (not just the "needy"). They are accounted for and Urban supposedly has our best interest in mind. If those shares are just floating around out there and are not accountable, there is no reason why they shouldn't be dumped into the float when the restriction is released. Why not? Individual shareholders have a right to do that and are expected to do that. Urban however, is expected to take care of this company, either by locking up his shares or by retiring them, or if he needs to dump them, finding a way to do it with least impact to the pps.
Therefore, I don't care what anyone is technically saying. Before Urban gives those shares out, they are accounted for and expected to stay locked up. After he gives them out, they are as good as in the float. Therefore, it is a form of dilution and I don't agree with it one bit. Is it illegal? No. But as a CEO of a company that we own, we have the right to be treated better than that.
Let's hope this whole thing gets cleared up and nobody gets any free shares. Truth is, there are no "free shares". The "needy" might get it, but we'll all pay for it.
Also, isn't it funny how the "needy" are made up of a bunch of people who have the resources to fly out to the races for a weekend and party? I don't know about you, but I can't afford that.
One more thing, can we stop calling Urban a genius now?
Do you guys think that the mess with Sterling is going to put an end to some of the mindless pumping? I don't know about you, but I think the cash dividend pump is over, thank god. I hope people have learned a bit and a lot more people won't put up with the BS now. IT'S TIME FOR ANSWERS!
hey, I asked this over there, but I'll ask it over here too. What's the estimated AS / OS / Float on qbid? Thanks...I'd like to hear everyone's opinion.
I know...I was wondering what some of the estimates/speculations are at this point...from conservative to liberal....what's the best case and worst case
AS / OS / FLOAT?
Thanks for the help.
Hey guys! I was wondering if anyone knows the share structure of qbid. What's the AS / OS / Float? I know qbid is pink...but are there any estimates at this point?
Qbid has an ad out in the paper...they're talking about it over there on ihub qbid board....At least that's something substantial.
Here on CMKX? Nothing....waiting....
Oh wait! We have ads out too! The race cars! I almost forgot. What are we advertising? I don't know.
Oh yeah...the stock! Why are we advertising the stock?
Oh yeah...nobody knows!
Al, I can't get into paltalk...PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED!
Thanks.
It isn't necessarily good news...it just gives legitamacy to a company that we otherwise know nothing about...It's a good bet, with Roger around, that the whole thing isn't just one gigantic scam that will come crashing down, whether it's good for us is another story.
Of course Roger isn't that stupid, that's why Sterling is banned from paltalk for god knows how long.
Drugster, you make a good point. The main reason why I am here is Roger Glenn. I don't think he would involve himself with a scam. I'm just jumpy for answers right now, and I feel it is my right as a share holder to get some explanations.
Other than that...like I said, I believe in this company and believe it is on its way to being a legitimate co.
I am going to chill also, but not before I point out yet another thing that at first seems to make sense but actually makes completely NO sense whatsover:
"Sterling went up/was invited up there to represent us."
Think about this for a moment...pause...think...think again...it seems to make sense at first...it is quite easy to glaze it over...but think about it...really think...this statement makes NO sense whatsoever!
1. What is Sterling representing? What can he tell UC and company about shareholder views? "We want the price of the stock to go up?" "We want a cash dividend?" "We want to make money?" What can Sterling tell UC besides that? EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT! There's no reason to have a meeting about it. Think about what Sterling could possibly say about us that isn't just plain common sense?
2. If the company wanted to figure out what the shareholders were thinking and feeling (which is stupid, because they obviously already know), and they wanted to get an estimate of the general census, and, more specifically, if they wanted to find out what the 2000 shareholders in sterling's classroom were talking about...THAT'S VERY SIMPLE...Go on paltalk! Melvin does it all the time! What is stopping UC and company from doing it? That is certainly a much more simple method of going about it then organizing some weird clandestine meeting up in the woods with our "leader" without telling anyone. MAKES NO SENSE!
3. Why would sterling NEED to represent us at this meeting. If I HAD to come up with a reason (and I'm NOT saying that this is true), the only conceivable reason to me as to why Sterling would need to represent us is the following: The company is going to do something VERY BAD, as in R/S or declaring a 20zillion OS and float, etc., and UC and company wants to make sure Sterling can keep his cult in line and find a way to paint them a pretty picture. That's it. If the meetings were going to be good for the company, why would they need to invite Sterling up there to find out if good things for the company is good for the shareholders? No reason. Everybody, even a two year old chimpanzee knows that good things for the company are good for the shareholders...you don't need to hold a meeting about it with a "shareholder representative."
The next time you think Sterling was up there to represent us, stop and think and wonder about why that would be the case and you will realize that it's just a fluff statement that makes no sense. What can he tell UC that UC doesn't know by common sense? Why couldn't UC just reach us through the boards? Why would UC want a "leader" like Sterling up there? When people tell us to feel good that Sterling was up there to represent us, I just wonder, "Feel good about what?" If I should feel good about it, then what you are saying is that Sterling is "protecting" us from something BAD, making sure no HARM comes to us. If that is the case, then I don't feel so good about a company that I need protection from.
Ultimately, I don't know why Sterling was up there. As I've said, the representation concept is terribly flawed and makes no sense. It only makes sense on the bad side of things....and i don't know what to think about that. I just think all of these secrets stink...and for some reason, people keep trying to spin these secrets into good things. If they were good things, they WOULDN'T BE SECRETS!
Until I get a good PR from this company, I'm going to be concerned. That's all. Not bashing...just bringing up my concerns.
Hey, where did the 108 anomaly number come from? I just heard hundres of anamolies...where's he getting 108 from?
bob, I have no reason to trus sterling one way or another. My gut, though, leans towards this being a true thing. Why else would Sterling ban himself from his board. I believe he was up there. I believe he was invited up there. I have no idea what is going on, but so far, it stinks, IMO.
It's funny how Zen banned himself from speaking until a PR is out as well. I think this is just a coincidence. I don't think Zen was up there or anything. I have other theories about why Zen has resorted to self-imposed exilement, but they aren't really shady in that way. I wish he would come back and post more often, but oh well.
Sterling up in Canada, though? Shady. He's a common shareholder, just like you and me. My money in UC's pockets is as green as his. If they want shareholders up in canada, they need to invite everyone. This is BS, and I am insulted by it. That's all.
And, damn it, I'm in a sharp mood today too! It feels good though. Still believing in CMKX and looking forward to the best! ALL IMHO!
Of course I'm being a bit impatient. I think I might have said this before, but I once worked for a senior VP at a huge international company. Anyway, his one motto was always: "Speed is very important in business."
Screw UC and company...I'm not a little kid, I'm a shareholder. As shareholders, we deserve to get the info yesterday. I don't know why more shareholders don't have more dignity about this and realize that it's our right for our own company that we own to give us our information that we deserve. I don't know what's up with all this courtesy. I pay UC's salary. Screw him for keeping secrets.
Ahh, it felt good to say that.
Guys, this "rumor" was CONFIRMED on paltalk. According to Paltalk, Sterling was INVITED up to Canada by Ed Donhau (spelling?). UC didn't know about it until he got there (yeah right). Sterling spent the week up there, and was exposed to inside info and won't be back to Paltalk until it's all released in a PR (which may be never at this rate). Sterling was also accompanied by, I believe, two or three others from paltalk.
All of the above was confirmed by Sterling himself. Why he was invited up ther is the shady part.
I agree, and I've posted something to that effect. What also pisses me off is "spec-o-lating". I find this term amazingly insulting, and I don't understand why so many people feel a freedom to use it.
Hi Spokes!
Hi everyone!
Could you imagine if the next PR was about the remaining carolyn pipe core samples and it was as follows:
"CMKX is pleased to announce that the remaining carolyn pipe core samples have been confirmed to be diamondiferous. Further details to follow. Thank you and best to all!"
PALTALK UPDATES????
That's something that's always bothered me. Why did UC pay 1000000 dollars to CIM/CMI (whatever), in order to give us a stock dividend? If he was so big on cash divy's why didn't he just give US the million dollars? With moves like that, I doubt a cash dividend in the near future...but, you never know.
nkad, yes, it IS based on fact. That's why I'm in the company too. I didn't mean it as an insult. Basically what I am saying is the following.
Since we don't know the sharestructure, there is no way to know the VALUE of the company. Therefore, we have no idea what a share is worth. It's very simple and there's no way around it. Since CMKX is keeping everything secret, there is no way to know how much our shares are worth. We have no idea what the share structure is. We know the facts and they all look good, but they are only facts, they don't tell us what the value of the company is.
Think about it, in that sense, we really don't know what CMKX is worth, per share.
No, not really. Of course, the company COULD be worth something. But until that worth is made public, it is as good as WORTHLESS, because your investment is pure risk and gamble and based on absolutely NOTHING but speculation. I'm not saying it IS worthless, I'm saying it is worthless.
IMHO, the answer may be the simplest answer. There are 483 Billion OS and NOBODY, not a soul, knows what the company is worth.
If you don't know what the company is worth, it's worthless. The fact that we are trading as high as .0004 right now is due to the hype and the potential.
An MM on Paltalk came on a while ago and supported what your friend said. I have always found it hard to buy the "EVIL MM" theories, and how they're so in tune with our psychology, and trying to break our wills to live.
I know a few options traders, who are similare to MM's. They are all dorks. They just move the orders. And one thing nobody thinks about is that they employ very complicated mathematical models to their work. They are concerned only with the numbers, not psychology, trying to cover their asses at all times. I just don't buy the portrait of the MM as a whimsical renegade manipulating the market and so arrogant that they don't care about covering themselves. They move the market by models and numbers and are always covering themselves IMHO. And, I don't think they are very savy with the psychological end of things. They don't care if the market goes up or down, they are just making money on the volume through mathematical formulas and covering themselves at all times. JMHO.
Genuine question: why do you think the company is withholding the sharestructure from us?
I have some ideas, but I'm interested in hearing what everyone else thinks.
Thanks.
TAVY,
"Spokes
This might help. Its a link.
Imagine that"
Tavy, I only have one more post left for the night. I'm not sure what you're implying with this post. Is this a shot at me? I don't know what I did to deserve it. I hope I don't come off as a basher. I always post everything IMHO. I didn't post a link because I was relaying what I heard on Paltalk to keep this board informed. I simply thought that people here might want to hear what was going on on Paltalk, that's all. I believe in CMKX, otherwise, I would have sold all my shares. I simply raise issues that I'm concerned with and throw out my ideas for consideration because I value everyone's opinions. That's all. Yes, my posts happen to be negative recently, but that's because I believe it to be way more important to focus on the negative in this situation rather than the positive. We know nothing about this company. We have no idea what it's worth. The only positive we know is that they own a crap load of promising land and that they have a great great lawyer. That's really it though. Really. I could post a billion of those positive posts about that stuff, but it's pointless. Why? Because we have no idea what the positives are worth right now! Any positive point anyone throws out there is completely worthless because we do not know anything about the fundamentals of the company! The land could be worth a crapload, but what does that matter if the OS and float are huge? It matters nothing. Therefore, I'm very cautious about BS. And a lot of it sounds like BS to me. But I'm hanging in there because I believe that Roger Glenn would not have taken on a company that was all BS.
Straight out, I believe in Roger Glenn and CMKX. But, I'm cautious about what I invest in, and I think that I have the right and the obligation as a shareholder to be cautious in that way. I also have an obligation as a shareholder to raise concerns, because I own a part of this damn company and UC and company owes me and you and every shareholder an explanation for everything they do.
Everyone can agree that the penny land is full of scams...far more scams than legit companies. I find it quite surprising that in such an environment, people aren't more concerned about potential negatives, and less interested in the pump. Would it surprise me if CMKX took off? No. But, would it surprise me at all if UC screwed all of us and doesn't give a crap about the shareholders or any of the "I love my shareholders," BS that is funneled down to us? Would I really be surprised if UC stabbed me in the back? Not at all. So, then, I think it is our obligation to let UC know that we deserve a legitimate business, and that we are cautious about him rather than blind followers. Why more shareholders aren't like that considering the shadyness of penny land is beyond me.
The easiest way to screw people is to promise them what they want to hear. That's why there's so many scams in penny land. It's dangerous to dismiss bashers and only accept the pumpers IMHO, for this very reason. I'd feel much more comfortable if we had an army of agressive no-bullsh*t investors here who constantly remind UC that he is under scrutiny and better watch his step or else. I'd take a hundred of those over one Sterling anyday.
I am concerned about Sterling being up there at the meeting. That's all. My money is as green as his and there's no reason why he should have special privileges. If the company cared about the shareholders, they should have invited EVERYONE up there. I own the company just like Sterling does. He doesn't speak for me. He doesn't represent my ideas. I'm not a baby sheep. Who voted for Sterling to be my representative? Who said that I put any trust in Sterling at all? Something is weird here and I don't like it. The company is keeping secrets from the shareholders who own the damn company. Why should I sit back and simply accept it as the best for me without knowing what the hell is going on? Do I trust Sterling, UC, Roger Glenn, Melvin, etc? Hell no. Why would I trust them...they are OBVIOUSLY keeping secrets from me about the FUNDAMENTALS of this company. Until they come clean, I don't see why anyone WOULD trust them. This is penny land!
This is all IMHO. I am not trying to bash or anything like that. I bought my shares and I'm holding for the long haul. I believe we'll see a significant PR out this week and that this company will move ahead. I hope this PR will give us some clear answers and reveal what's been going on the whole time. I think we deserve that...that's all. And, I think we will get it. If we do, I will be as happy as the next shareholder. Until we do, I will continue to be concerned and will voice those concerns. I feel that it is my natural duty as a shareholder. And, I like hearing from everyone on the board and discussing the issues.
Good luck to all!!!
SUB! I only have a couple of more posts for the day. I'm not sure if you got my previous posts, but I'll give it another try....
YOUR ARTWORK IS INCREDIBLE...INCREDIBLE...Some of the best I've seen!!!!!!
Melvin on paltalk soon.....
Only positive is that there's a meeting and stuff was discussed that can't be publically disclosed, which at least means the company is meeting about SOMETHING.
Also, Glenn was there, which reduces the shadyness a little.
We need a PR now! Truth is...All the DD in the world about this company doesn't do anything good if the fundamentals are secret.
okay, new info....
ED INVITED STERLING AND COMPANY UP THERE!!!!! NOT UC.
hmmmmmmmmm
As I've said in the past...Ed creeps me out, no reason. He just creeps me out.
Zen....THOUGHTS ON STERLING???
Sterling staying out until all info is PR'd...do you think this means SOON?????
Because, according to paltalk, Sterling was asked by UC and company to come up there...Why would they invite him up there? Interesting. Drymouth said that others were up there: El Camino and Race News FWIW.
Interesting...hmmmmmm.....don't know any more now then I did then....
Also weird is the excuse for why patalk wasn't told that sterling would be up there...according to drymouth...they thought that telling paltalk beforehand would result in huge amounts of people going up there with sterling....sounds like an excuse.
According to drymouth...OTHERS WERE UP THERE WITH STERLING! I'm assuming (only my assumption) that he means others from paltalk.....DAMN....What's going on??
Strage part is...STERLING cannot return to paltalk until info is all out in the open (and even then, I don't think he should come back)...Begs the question...WHEN will sterling return? When will the news be out? SOON??!?!?
According to drymouth, sterling was invited up there because UC wanted to get a "shareholders' perspective" on things. I don't know about that BS. He can just go on Paltalk...not bring sterling up there. Something is fishy and it ain't about the fish they caught up there.
#2 - Fishing trip?!?!? Get off your ass and get down to business Glenn, UC....